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Responded on my talk page.Pied Hornbill (talk) 11:36, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, thanks. An easier way to notify other users here is to simply use the {{

u}} templates in your response. That way, users automatically receive a notification that they have been mentioned. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 11:45, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply

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Pied Hornbill, Ironically, I forgot to ping you in my response... Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 19:11, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Throast! I'm sorry to bother you on your talk page. I notice you also responded to this users talk page, and wanted to make sure I handled that particular situation correctly. What you said makes more sense, but even three years into being here, I still sometimes struggle with situations like this (even though it seems clear cut.) Let me know if I was being too snarky since they were a newcomer, or if I could have handled it better. Thanks again!! SPF121188 ^{(talk this way) (contribs)} 18:19, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Spf121188! Oh not at all, I think you handled it very professionally. If anything, I was the snarky one out of the two of us. Since I originally added what they removed, I felt inclined to respond directly to their assertion that the material was of editorializing nature. Feel free to reach out if you need a third opinion or have any questions! Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 18:37, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, fair enough! I try to tow the line with newcomers, it's just in a case like this is seems obvious they they're creating an account

just to change something they feel strongly about, and ignoring/removing the note stating not to change seemed a bit reckless, so I had to respond to them. I'm glad you did too, you explained it much better than I did. I do appreciate it, and hopefully I'll see you around! SPF121188 ^{(talk this way) (contribs)} 18:40, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply

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A barnstar for you!

		The Special Barnstar
		Thank you for helping explain errors to a newcomer with me! I wasn't sure which barnstar to give, so this one made sense. I always appreciate when others are willing to work together and I want to make sure you know that! Thank you again! SPF121188 (talk this way) (contribs) 18:44, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks so much! I certainly try. :) Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 18:48, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

DC comics is not a redundant acronym.

DC = company

comics = product

If you bought two copies of Superman, you wouldn't say "I bought some DC" 198.70.2.200 (talk) 16:46, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I frankly do not care about the content dispute. All I did was revert your

disruptive editing while patrolling recent changes, which you've now been topic-banned for. Please make an unblock request before continuing the content dispute on other editors' talk pages. Thank you. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 16:49, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply

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Thanks again for taking action on this, Throast. Also, feel free to ignore this user right now as they are fully blocked on

WP:EVADING. - wolf 17:09, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply

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Thewolfchild, I see. Thanks for letting me know and no worries. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 17:10, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply

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You old fuddy-duddy.

Vanisaac hehe Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 01:01, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Episodes section of Wednesday is not conforming to the very large size of the Infobox, which causes a large atypical blank separation gap between the section title "Episodes" and the fixed size table format which prints out the episode summaries after it. When I moved the Production section higher in the TOC, the 'blank separation space' problem was resolved. Other solutions, if you don't like that one, is to shorten the Infobox entries (for example, does Danny Elfman really need to be listed twice), or expand the Premise section to include more detail by adding 2-3 more lines. Either of those would help the page format problem currently displayed. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:45, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WP:MOSTV. If we cut anything from the infobox, I'd say we start with the list of mostly non-notable production companies. The premise section could aslo be expanded substantially. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 15:49, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply

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WP:OR, as you're using the primary source for analysis. I'd be happy to keep the section, but replace the YouTube clips with actual secondary sources, if you can find any. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 15:52, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply

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There's no NOR intended and if you want to shorten the edit then go ahead. The Music section and the soundtrack will need to eventually get into the article, and I have verified the Rolling Stones and The Cramps being in the soundtrack. Regarding the 'blank space' format problem, then your idea to shorten the Infobox section by 4-5 lines might be useful; if you try it then I can let you know if the format problem of 'blank space' gets better. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:58, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ErnestKrause, I have verified the Rolling Stones and The Cramps being in the soundtrack, this is exactly the issue. You, as a Wikipedia editor, identifying these songs, as obvious as it may be, constitutes OR. I'm sure better sources are out there; I might go looking for some later. Regarding structure, I'd actually prefer expanding the premise section, as it would need to be expanded anyway. If you'd like to do that, please go ahead. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 16:04, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ErnestKrause, I've expanded the premise a bit. Do you still have the issue? Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 18:16, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Update: This has been quite a learning curve for me, as I've never substantially contributed to TV series articles before. I've since learned that, per

MOS:TVPLOT, relatively comprehensive plot summaries, as I had written up here, should not be included when plot summaries of individual episodes are already included. If your issue persists, we should move this discussion to the article talk page and consider other solutions there. Sorry for the back-and-forth. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 00:04, 27 November 2022 (UTC)[reply

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Nice going over the busy week-end. Some things I'll try to get to later or for your attention; you can adjust and alter as you see it to improve the article. My current list:

(1) Might be nice to see a choreography section wit RS which I have found.

(2) The comments on "Premise' from the IP seems a little bit off center; "Premise and pitch" during development is very different from "Plot and episode summary" since they are not synonymous. I'd say that if needed then your expanded Premise section actually does work, especially if it is related to "Pitch to production management" rather than Plot summary. The 'blank space' problem from the week-end appears solved on my 13" laptop screen, though its still an issue on 18" desktop screens because of Windows formatting protocols; I'll look at it further if time permits.

(3) There are also RS available on the pop songs which appear in the episodes which I'll try to link for you.

(4) I'd reconsider somewhat removing what happens to Hyde at the end, since without it he seems like he might be dead after being shot and laying still on the ground the last time he is seen. Its not sequel baiting to want to state that he is alive at the end of the season in the closing scene.

(5) Also, Production can be hatted in the Infobox to 'shorten' the very large appearance of the Infobox in its current format.

Judging from all the editors on the page from over the week-end, then that must have been a busy holiday week-end for you. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:38, 27 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

MOS:TV is pretty clear here, but other editors might disagree. Regarding Tyler's fate, I intentionally chose the word "defeated" to imply that he has survived. In other instances in the series where characters are killed, I either used the word "murdered" or "killed". In that context, it should be sufficiently clear that he is not dead. If you disagree, we can move that to the article talk as well. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 18:05, 27 November 2022 (UTC)[reply

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Nice going on your edits over the week-end; I'm trying to support as many of your edits as I can support. If you are happy with the last mention of Hyde in the episodes section then that's fine. Lots of buzz in the press about a possible second season from what I've seen so far though no confirmations over this holiday weekend. ErnestKrause (talk) 18:12, 27 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A premise shouldn't contain the summary of the story, this is literally why there is an "episode" section where every episode is detailed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premise_(narrative) Putting end of the show spoiler, while not disrupting WP:Spoilers or other policies, does not correspond to what is considered a premise. 74.56.194.96 (talk) 22:10, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Per

WP:MOSTV, it is custom to include a summary of the overarching plot, whether it be called "Plot", "Premise", "Synopsis", or "Overview". Combined, the episode summaries are about 1,500 words long; I'm sure many readers would appreciate a more concise summary of the plot. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 22:19, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply

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Yikes, you're right. Buried in

MOS:TVPLOT, it says an article should not have both an episode table with summaries and a prose plot summary. I've already self-reverted. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 23:07, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply

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A barnstar for you!

	The Resilient Barnstar
	Your comments on my talk page were perfectly stated. Hooray! Julietdeltalima (talk) 16:19, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]