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Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Great Irish Famine#Remedies has since 2019 stated:

The article, now at Great Famine (Ireland), is within the scope of the discretionary sanctions authorised under The Troubles.

The Troubles discretionary sanctions were, along with all the other discretionary sanctions authorisations, converted to contentious topics designations in December 2022 so the wording on the Great Irish Famine case is technically not accurate. I don't think this is a big deal or in need of any action, but I thought I'd flag it up in case other people think an update is required. I haven't looked to see if this is a unique situation (I'd be amazed if it was common though) but will do if requested. Thryduulf (talk) 10:39, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for flagging this issue Thryduulf. We actually have a fair amount of work left to do on conversion in truth. The two main reasons for this are the large cases we've had to kick off the year - which has diverted the time of both clerks and arbs - and the fact that the arb (L235) who had planned to lead this work has been limited or inactive almost the entire year. It is something we need to fix but hopefully we can muddle through - updating when things are particularly needed - until we have capacity to systematically finish the work. Barkeep49 (talk) 13:42, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Original announcement

Is this the first time "probation" (what reads as a suspended topic ban) been implemented? I can't remember it from my time on ArbCom, though it could have been before or after my time, and I just haven't noticed. -- Amanda (she/her) 20:55, 18 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's an older term; you can see it in this search. Izno (talk) 21:27, 18 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No. Probation is a remedy that dates back to 2004, and can be seen as a precursor to discretionary sanctions due to how it was implemented back then. Essentially, back in '04-'07, probation allowed uninvolved admins to summarily topic-ban someone from articles they were being disruptive on.

I think in general that probation is a good idea as a "less severe" sanction immediately preceding a topic-ban, and I'm surprised that we don't use it more in the administrative space in general; although it could very well be that those open-shut cases that make it to

WP:ANI are well past the point where probation would be considered, much less merited. --⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 12:27, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply

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Honestly, the fact they brought it back, albeit in a more limited form, speaks more to the issues that AE has had enforcing AA2 sanctions, considering that was the impetus for this case to begin with. The use here is very unambiguous - cause trouble, and you will be topic-banned from the AA2 area. —Jéské Couriano (No further replies will be forthcoming.) 22:31, 18 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Thanks goes to the arbitrators for concluding this case, and doing so in a timely fashion. I also appreciate and support the sentiment behind robust restrictions. I think, though, that one of the reasons we end up with warned users getting additional warnings instead of sanctions, is because a warning is so much less stressful to impose. Because, it seems like at least half the time, sanctioned users appeal their sanctions immediately, a process which can often be... unpleasant to the sanctioning admin. Whereas a warning forgoes all that. I don't really have a solution to this, nor am I proposing diminishing the right of appeal—but this is problem of compounding warnings is far from unique to this particular topic area. The point is: warning is easy, sanctioning is hard. El_C 12:36, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

In Awareness of contentious topics I read "Editors no longer need to be alerted every 12 months, as they are presumed to remain aware after their first alert." But is a discretionary sanctions alert issued more than 12 months ago, i.e. expired before the changes, a first alert and therefore no longer expired? If so, would it be clearer to say "first discretionary sanctions alert or first contentious topics alert"? Peter Gulutzan (talk) 14:06, 19 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am anyway giving the new alert else for sure someone will claim that they were not made aware. Selfstudier (talk) 15:26, 19 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I personally think that

Template:alert/DS is helpful for these cases, but I can't point to a policy/procedure section explicitly justifying this use. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 16:27, 19 March 2023 (UTC)[reply

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I've now found footnote: "An editor who has not received an alert may also be presumed to be aware of a contentious topic if the editor: ... Ever received a discretionary sanctions alert ... for the same topic; ... Has otherwise made edits indicating an awareness of the contentious topic." So that answers my first question. Peter Gulutzan (talk) 17:25, 19 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]