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Nguyen Ngoc Bich articles

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Karl Pister from 27 June 1925 to 14 May 2022(2022-05-14) (aged 96)

Test from May 15, 2021 to May 14, 2022(2022-05-14) (aged 0)

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Nguyen Ngoc Bich on Citizendium.

Karl Pister

Karl Stark Pister was born June 27, 1925, in Stockton, California.^[1][2] He graduated from Stockton High School as class valedictorian in 1942,^[a]

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Thap Muoi Plain, Britannica

Plain of Reeds, Vietnam War Travel

Plain of Reeds

The development of the Plain of Reeds, Rand Corporation, 1969

Web search "vietnam+plain+of+reeds"

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Error when using {{efn}} in figure captions and galleries

Ping Racconish Yann JJMC89 DHN

Draft:Nguyen_Ngoc_Bich, History

I just found this coding error in Mediawiki, as described below, and appreciate if you can communicate this message, or connect me directly, to the code developers. Thank you. Egm4313.s12 (talk) 21:52, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Error message at the bottom of the page: Cite error: There are <ref group=lower-alpha> tags or {{efn}} templates on this page, but the references will not show without a {{reflist|group=lower-alpha}} template or {{notelist}} template (see the help page).

Version 22:39, 19 January 2024 No error. Version 22:19, 22 January 2024 Error. Diff, 22:39, 19 January 2024 VS 22:19, 22 January 2024

Version 12:52, 20 January 2024 No error. Version 12:59, 20 January 2024 Error. Diff 12:52, 20 January 2024 VS 12:59, 20 January 2024

The error message disappeared after I commented out the code "{{efn|name=OSS-HCM}}" in the figure captions and in the galleries such as

"File:1945 Aug 16 Deer Team train Vietminh.png|OSS Dear team{{efn|name=OSS-HCM}} members training Viet Minh fighters to use US-made weapons in 1945."

to have

"File:1945 Aug 16 Deer Team train Vietminh.png|OSS Dear team<!--{{efn|name=OSS-HCM}}--> members training Viet Minh fighters to use US-made weapons in 1945."

Licenses for historical photos

Tập tin:OSS in Vietnam.jpg

Episode 17: Cochinchina is Burning - America's First Casualty in Vietnam

Ping Racconish Yann JJMC89 DHN

I am back and have verified the issue of LIFE, 1968 Mar 22, Vol. 64, No. 12, which is also included below the photo of Ho Chi Minh, Leclerc, Sainteny (1946) on Flickr.

There was no credit given to the photographer, who was thus unknown. An old historical photo like this one, with no known photographer, would belong to Vietnamese people and the public, for which the licenses {{PD-Vietnam}} and {{

On Flickr, there was a note on the photo of Ho Chi Minh, Leclerc, Sainteny (1946) saying "Note: There is no license history before July 17, 2008."

The blanket copyright on page 5 of this LIFE issue (below the table of contents) was for this whole issue, which could include photos that LIFE did not own the copyright. Images with specific copyright were indicated, such as the advertisement of Nabisco on page 8 in this LIFE issue.

Moreover, this Flickr user Manhhai has uploaded a large number of media items, not all of them have the free license CC BY 2.0 Deed, such as the 1969 Sep 12 issue of Time Magazine on Ho Chi Minh, appearing just a few months after the above LIFE, 1968 Mar 22, Vol. 64, No. 12.

Please let me know if there are any objections to using the licenses {{PD-Vietnam}} and {{

Thank you. Egm4313.s12 (talk) 15:22, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Solid evidence 1

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Transferred to LIFE/Time does NOT own copyright: Solid evidence 1 in User talk:Egm4313.s12 on Commons.

Image search method, French archives

{{ping|Racconish}} {{ping|Yann}} {{ping|JJMC89}} {{ping|DHN}}

Transferred to Image search method, French archives/publications in User talk:Egm4313.s12 on Commons.

Getty Images is selling public-domain images

{{ping|Racconish}} {{ping|Yann}} {{ping|JJMC89}} {{ping|DHN}}

Transferred to Getty Images is selling public-domain images in User talk:Egm4313.s12 on Commons.

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❝ I beg you to understand that the only means of safeguarding French interests and the spiritual influence of France in Indochina is to recognize the independence of Vietnam unreservedly and to renounce any idea of reestablishing French sovereignty or rule here in any form. . . . Even if you were to reestablish the French administration here, it would not be obeyed, and each village would be a nest of resistance. . . . We would be able to understand each other so easily and become friends if you would stop hoping to become our masters again.❞
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Bao Dai, message to de Gaulle on 1945 Aug 20^[2]

❝ I beg you to understand that the only means of safeguarding French interests and the spiritual influence of France in Indochina is to recognize the independence of Vietnam unreservedly and to renounce any idea of reestablishing French sovereignty or rule here in any form. . . . Even if you were to reestablish the French administration here, it would not be obeyed, and each village would be a nest of resistance. . . . We would be able to understand each other so easily and become friends if you would stop hoping to become our masters again.
I beg you to understand that the only means of safeguarding French interests and the spiritual influence of France in Indochina is to recognize the independence of Vietnam unreservedly and to renounce any idea of reestablishing French sovereignty or rule here in any form. . . . Even if you were to reestablish the French administration here, it would not be obeyed, and each village would be a nest of resistance. . . . We would be able to understand each other so easily and become friends if you would stop hoping to become our masters again.❞
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Bao Dai, message to de Gaulle on 1945 Aug 20^[2]

❝ I beg you to understand that the only means of safeguarding French interests and the spiritual influence of France in Indochina is to recognize the independence of Vietnam unreservedly and to renounce any idea of reestablishing French sovereignty or rule here in any form. . . . Even if you were to reestablish the French administration here, it would not be obeyed, and each village would be a nest of resistance. . . . We would be able to understand each other so easily and become friends if you would stop hoping to become our masters again.

I beg you to understand that the only means of safeguarding French interests and the spiritual influence of France in Indochina is to recognize the independence of Vietnam unreservedly and to renounce any idea of reestablishing French sovereignty or rule here in any form. . . . Even if you were to reestablish the French administration here, it would not be obeyed, and each village would be a nest of resistance. . . . We would be able to understand each other so easily and become friends if you would stop hoping to become our masters again.❞
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Bao Dai, message to de Gaulle on 1945 Aug 20^[2]

❝ I beg you to understand that the only means of safeguarding French interests and the spiritual influence of France in Indochina is to recognize the independence of Vietnam unreservedly and to renounce any idea of reestablishing French sovereignty or rule here in any form. . . . Even if you were to reestablish the French administration here, it would not be obeyed, and each village would be a nest of resistance. . . . We would be able to understand each other so easily and become friends if you would stop hoping to become our masters again.

I beg you to understand that the only means of safeguarding French interests and the spiritual influence of France in Indochina is to recognize the independence of Vietnam unreservedly and to renounce any idea of reestablishing French sovereignty or rule here in any form. . . . Even if you were to reestablish the French administration here, it would not be obeyed, and each village would be a nest of resistance. . . . We would be able to understand each other so easily and become friends if you would stop hoping to become our masters again.❞

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Bao Dai, message to de Gaulle on 1945 Aug 20^[2]

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Joseph Buttinger

Joseph Buttinger: no image as of 24.1.20

Search South Vietnam Foreign Minister Tran Van Lam

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South Vietnam Foreign Minister Tran Van Lam with Joseph Buttinger CC-BY-2.0 Douglas Pike Photograph Collection - Vietnam Center and Archive

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Vietnam National Museum of History

Musee Louis Finot

From c:File:Le_Grand_Etat-Major_des_Troupes_Caodaïstes.jpg, I found:

c:User:源義信, c:User:源義信/Waiting_for_imports, Musée Louis Finot, nay là Bảo tàng Lịch sử Việt Nam, Zoom-out image of the museum with a stele on the left

L'Ecole Française d'Extrême-Orient (EFEO), Un siècle de recherche sur le terrain en Asie. L'Ecole française d'Extrême-Orient (EFEO), fondée en 1900 à Saigon, a pour mission la recherche interdisciplinaire sur les civilisations asiatiques, de l'Inde au Japon. L'EFEO est présente, grâce à ses 18 centres de recherche, dans 12 pays d'Asie. Cette spécificité permet à ses 42 chercheurs permanents (anthropologues, archéologues, linguistes, historiens, philologues, sociologues des religions, etc.) d'être sur les terrains de leurs études, et d'animer un réseau de coopérations locales et d'échanges internationaux entre scientifiques orientalistes.

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Google search for "Đông Dương Bác Cổ, nay là Bảo tàng lịch sử Việt Nam, Hà Nội", Image search

From the above image search, I found these nice architecture articles: Nét Đẹp Kiến Trúc Đông Dương Ở Hà Nội Qua Các Công Trình, #1 Phong Cách Kiến Trúc Đông Dương Là Gì? – ICON INTERIOR

Older stuff

Google map showing the museum is near the river front as noted in Archimedes Patti's book, Why Viet Nam? pdf p.181.

Street image

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{{PD-Vietnam}}, {{PD-Vietnam|commons}}, {{PD-1996}}

Template:PD-1996 This work is in the public domain in the United States because it meets three requirements:

• it was first published outside the United States (and not published in the U.S. within 30 days),
• it was first published before 1 March 1989 without copyright notice or before 1964 without copyright renewal or before the source country established copyright relations with the United States,
• it was in the public domain in its home country on the URAA date (January 1, 1996 for most countries).

"Spamming own work," official rule or personal preference?

DONE, I moved the draft (which I deleted here) to the end of Section "Spamming own work," official rule or personal preference? in Commons. Egm4313.s12 (talk) 13:23, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Spam § External link spamming

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Map removers

Document here the two map removers in Wikipedia and the map remover in Vietnamese Wikipedia.

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Vietnamese Wikipedia message when trying to edit an article.

User_talk:Mrfly911

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2023.12.23: In c:File:1945 Aug Archimedes Patti, Vo Nguyen Giap.png I even cited my name as author since 22:03, 22 July 2023: "for more details, see Vu Quoc Loc (2023), Notes on Vietnam history, Inernet Archive."

Egregiously meaningless image description

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Citation spamming

Moved to Wikimedia Commons User_talk:Egm4313.s12 § Citation spam, official rule.

Egm4313.s12 (talk) 01:40, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Note: The well-known expression "L'État, c'est moi!" mentioned above is a charitable way to describe the dictatorship of the personal preferences of the underworld anonymous admins and users, who are by far not comparable to the Sun King Louis XIV.

Incorrect description in Vietnamese pronouns

DHN: I have always been bothered by the Introduction of Vietnamese pronouns, which turns out to be incorrect, both logically and mathematically, as follows. I work on math/mechanics every day; see my list of Publications and their impact (through number of citations) in Google Scholar.

Logically and mathematically, consider a larger set A that contains a smaller set B. One says that "A is more general then B," or "B is a particular case of A." Concretely, set A is the collection of pronouns in the article Vietnamese pronouns, whereas set B is a much smaller collection of pronouns in the article Đại từ nhân xưng, which can be translated into English and French. There are Vietnamese pronouns that contain nuances in relationships that do not have equivalences in Engish or French, or in Western languages in general.

A Venn diagram can be drawn to pictorially explain set A containing set B.

Hence, logically and mathematically, the article Đại từ nhân xưng, with its equivalent Personal pronoun, is a particular case—NOT a more general case—of the article Vietnamese pronouns.

Let me know if you see something else.

Prof. Loc Vu-Quoc, [email protected], Publications, Google Scholar.

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