Talk:Bruckner rhythm

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I think we should add some more notable instances of it here. From Bruckner's talk page, that would include Symphonies 5 and 6 also. (More?)

I think we could also describe the rhythm better, maybe with more musical examples from scores?

There is a great score archive IU's music library; maybe we could crop some specific passages therefrom? Andrewski 22:00, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Great idea. Here are some more examples:

• 5th symphony, slow movement main theme (duplets in oboe melody against triplets in string pizzicato accompaniment)
• 6th symphony, first movement (main theme and ostinato accompaniment, also second theme)
• 8th symphony, first movement, second theme (same rhythm as 4th symphony example given already)

Btw, although it's great to have musical examples, it would probably be more useful if they were in the treble or bass clefs, since many more people can understand them. Grover cleveland 18:10, 21 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It is my long time understanding that Bruckner rhythm is the juxtaposition (2 + 3) of a duplet melody followed by a triplet bass, and not the superposition of triplets upon duplets (as in the opening statement of the main theme of the Adagio of the 5th symphony). Moreover, in the long restatement of the main theme the triplet bass is replaced by a quarter + two eighths figure.

In the 4th symphony, the Bruckner rhythm that we all know from the Finale was not there: it was originally in quintuplets, exceedingly difficult to play. And the original Scherzo (predating the usual "Hunting" Scherzo) had similtaneous duplets against triplets. The original (1874) version has been recorded by Jesus Lopez-Cobos with the Cincinnati Symphony Orchestra.

-- Chuck 15:33, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ah yes, that's a nice recording of an interesting version. A little too repetitive in spots, but still quite fascinating to listen to. Anton Mravcek 21:14, 9 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I find the endless use of 'occurs' very strange, as if Bruckner's (and others) pieces weren't written but just found in that state, like fossils. But such things don't just 'occur' - they are used, written, utilized, employed etc by a living person in their works. Maybe because I'm composer I find that objectionable, but it's bad writing, in a way pointed out in every good writing guide--it's a needlessly dead, passive verb. The composer's missing. 110.20.157.59 (talk) 08:14, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]