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Phony information

According to the article and the appointed sources of information, judge Rezai was further convicted of rape of the defendant... this is an absurdity, since there no reliable information to support this claim and the sources cited says nothing about it.

The section "Offenders under age 18" relies on disinformation form a source in Theran, claiming that the death punishment has been abolished for minors. This claim is heavily disputed by legal experts who have studied the new code. The Guerdian: Iran 'misleading international community' with death penalty claims — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.161.188.100 (talk) 16:45, 15 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Major Revision

Clarified and redefined the catagories as it was a bit of a hodge podge. Updates by User:Greroja Aug 14, 2006

Baseless claims

If one claims a particular crime is punishable by execution in Iran, the guy have to refer to the relevant article in Iranian law. Which article says sodomony is punishable by execution ??!! Sina Kardar 18:53, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. The source is some random web-page, there is no such article in Iranian law. There are also several other instances of inaccuracy , exaggerations, and sensationalism. The page should be re-written by neutral editors with no political agendas. For now, I am going to add several appropriate tags . --Patrick987 (talk) 14:33, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

According to this source, sexual intercourse between men attracts a death sentence according to Article 111 of the Islamic Punishment Act of 1996.

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"Homosexual intercourse leads to execution provided that both the active and the passive party are of age, sane and consenting." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.83.147.19 (talk) 13:48, 7 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The descriptions and punishments for sodomy begins at article 108 of the Penal Code. Article 110 states that the punishment for sodomy is execution. Article 112 states that if one of the males is not an adult, then the immature male receives 74 lashes, but only if the homosexual act was not under duress. All of these descriptions may be found here http://mehr.org/Islamic_Penal_Code_of_Iran.pdf located on this web page http://mehr.org/index_islam.htm. This document is also available for reference with the UNHCR's refugee website as a PDF. Here's the website where that document can be searched using the search words 'Iran penal code': http://www.unhcr.org/cgi-bin/texis/vtx/refworld/rwmain Another source containing the same information here http://www.iranrights.org/english/document-139.php The sections listed are different from the previous source, however, the order of the sections and the information remains the same. Petit9621 (talk) petit9621 Jan 21, 2011 —Preceding undated comment added 15:06, 21 January 2011 (UTC).[reply]

If you require a list and the location, there's a great source that has organized them quite nicely. In Iran, there are 133 offenses where capital punishment is applicable. The problem comes in that most of them are in the category of ta'zirat crimes. Ta'zirat is “an act or an omission that is prohibited in the sacred Islamic shari’a. Ta’zir punishments are not specified in shari’a and are left to “the discretion of the Islamic judge”. So the problem is, while it may not be codified in a specific manner, a judge can make the determination that something does qualify as an offense that does require the punishment of execution. Most of the offenses under this punishment category are drug related; most execution in this category are for possession of drugs over a certain amount or a having been convicted a certain number of times. You want specifics, you can read them for yourself here: http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrc/docs/ngo/NGO_submission_ELEI_Add.1.pdf and here: http://lib.ohchr.org/HRBodies/UPR/Documents/Session7/IR/ELEI_UPR_IRN_S07_2010_ExtraLegalExecutionsinIran.pdf Petit9621 (talk) 00:29, 20 May 2011 (UTC)petit9621[reply]

There's a huge difference between a punishment being a possibility and it being standard. No, we don't like it that adultery is in there, however if you think back to ancient times back when there were no DNA tests etc., how could a man know what child was his or not? Or were all his children someone else's? It's subjective how important it is. In modern times, noone is sentenced to death in Iran for adultery or sodomy or homosexuality for that matter. Ahmadinejad even said himself that people can do as they like in their own home, for example homosexuality, he said it on Larry King Live. And he said it again here:
“It should be of no pride to the American society to say that they defend homosexuals and support it. It’s not a good act, in and by itself, to then hold others accountable for banning it. And it’s not called freedom, either. Sure, if somebody engages in an act in their own house without being known to others, we don’t pay any attention to that. People are free to do what they like in their private realms. But nobody can engage in what breaks the law in public.”

So this people were having sex in public ?. I don't think so. I don't think that anybody knowing they can get hug for a homosexuality in public is going to risk being hung. And what about Atefah Sahaaleh, what did she do that was so awful to get executed?. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.235.218.74 (talk) 00:49, 1 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I am so sorry, but the laws in Iran are so evil, and there's no justification for the wat they execute people in the name of Allah. Whatever the USA or any other country do is not justifiable the evilness of their acts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.235.218.74 (talk) 00:52, 1 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.sfbaytimes.com/index.php?sec=article&article_id=9170
Now you can say that's insulting and wrong all you like, but if you take this hate and turn it into saying they execute and torture homosexuals then you're an absolute liar and a plague on the world. Do I agree with everything in Iran's government and legal system? No, but I also strongly disagree with the unfairness and abuses in the US and European legal systems.
One of the worst kinds of embellishers and liars are the people who think they are "only doing good", and that that gives them a free pass to make stuff up and spin things to make it seem as terrible as possible. The amount of damage they can do is incredible. Anonywiki (talk) 07:02, 17 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Forcible marriage and rape of virgin women on death row

The Jerusalem Post of July 19, 2009 reports of an anonymous telephone interview with a Basiji member, "arranged by a reliable source," which claims that under Iranian law young women may not be executed for capital crimes if they are virgins, so prior to their execution condemned women are forcibly married to and raped by prison guards. Here are some excerpts:

The Basiji member, who is married with children, spoke soon after his release by the Iranian authorities from detention. He had been held for the "crime" of having set free two Iranian teenagers - a 13-year-old boy and a 15-year-old girl - who had been arrested during the disturbances that have followed the disputed June presidential elections.

He said he had been a highly regarded member of the force, and had so "impressed my superiors" that, at 18, "I was given the 'honor' to temporarily marry young girls before they were sentenced to death."

In the Islamic Republic it is illegal to execute a young woman, regardless of her crime, if she is a virgin, he explained. Therefore a "wedding" ceremony is conducted the night before the execution: The young girl is forced to have sexual intercourse with a prison guard - essentially raped by her "husband."

God forgive them! One day, they will pay the price. Memories are long. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.183.47 (talk) 14:08, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This story has been picked up by other sources, but I haven't seen any do more than repeat what is in the JP article. Are there any other sources for this, either regarding the practice or of Iranian or Sharia law prohibiting the legal execution of virgin women? -- Thinking of England (talk) 11:59, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Here are a few more sources:

  • Fox News – repeats the story
  • National Post – repeats the story but also gives some background about the use of rape and other torture by the regime, including the story of Soraya Abolfathi who was supposedly forcibly married and raped the night before her execution in 1981 to ensure that she would not die a virgin and thus be guaranteed entry into paradise.
  • news.com.au – repeats the story and includes a quote from the Iranian embassy in Australia stating, "According to the Islamic Law, female virgin marriage is only possible with the consent of parents or guardians as well as the virgin females. It is obvious that releasing such blatant lies is only with the aim of hostility and animosity with Islam and the Islamic Republic of Iran."
  • LA Times – a 2008 story about a Human Rights Watch report concerning women's in Saudi Arabia in which a reader comment dated October 2008 says, "Iran will not execute a virgin so, when the problem arises it will therefore marry her off to a guard and rape her." This is not of use by itself, but if the date is valid it suggests that the allegation predated the JP article. I'm still looking for earlier sources. -- Thinking of England (talk) 14:11, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In this debate between Christopher Hitchens and Alister McGrath at the Georgetown University on 2007-10-11, Hitchens (talking about the immorality of religious law) said,

In Iran, where I've been, ... you are not allowed to sentence a woman who is a virgin to death even though she may have committed, in the eyes of the Mullahs, a capital crime, ... . She can't be sentenced to death. But religious law means that she can be raped by the Revolutionary Guards, and then she is not a virgin anymore. Then they can kill her.

The link takes you into the Q&A section, about one minute before the remark that starts at 1:07:35. This isn't good as a reference itself, but it is an indication that accusations of this practice were being made prior to the JP interview. I'll keep looking for good print references. -- Thinking of England (talk) 10:24, 31 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jerusalem Post is Israeli media, and there is huge animosity between those two countries so it's without a doubt - pure propaganda that should be avoided. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.142.180.10 (talk) 23:15, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This charge comes from Iranian sources and is quite old (20+ years). It is often attributed as the innovation of a particular person (a superintendent of Evin prison). Actually it is plausible. However I don't know of a source for it that meets the strict requirements that we should require here. Possibly it could be mentioned as a charge made by some notable named source. Astarabadi (talk) 13:30, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Crimes

The crimes were mentioned twice in the lead so I removed one of the paragraphs. It is mentioned in the beginning of the first section too, but is slightly different. Which one is right? The first section mentions kidnapping but it isn't mentioned in the lead. Cleanelephant (talk) 01:13, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply] 

    In Islamic penal Code of Iran the legislature has approved capital punishment in three different categories:

1- Prescribed Punishments (Hudud):for example sodomy, adultery, banditry...

2- Retaliation (Qisas) is imposed for Murder: The Quranic verses do not seem to require a nuanced inquiry into the circumstances of the murder before permitting the imposition of qisas.


3- Discretionary punishments (Taazir): Discretionary punishments are the third category of punishments that provide for capital punishment. Islamic penal codes in Iran use capital punishment for offenses such as: Defamation to sanctities, Drug trafficking in special amount and for the Corruption on Earth Crime — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.178.226.128 (talk) 14:37, 5 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

added not in citation given tag

I've added the not in citation given template to the following sentence:

The citation describes the presence of juveniles on death row in Nigeria, but does not address the claim that this practice in Nigeria, China, Pakistan or any other country meets with "little or no rebuke from international organizations". In fact, this wikipedia article cites Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch criticisms of this practice in Saudi Arabia and Nigeria. GabrielF (talk) 20:28, 5 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Moharebeh

Two different uses of moharebeh exist in the article: "Sometimes the death penalty can be used regardless if the person has been found guilty of moharebeh ("spreading corruption on the earth")." and: "Moharebeh (waging war against God or people) is a crime where a weapon is used with violence to "create fear or disruption against national security and citizens""

Please resolve it. 71.139.178.219 (talk) 22:38, 3 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Falling from Heights

This section states that Iran uses this punishment for homosexuality, yet the source listed only mentions the punishment for the abductors/rapists mentioned in the section. Unless anyone has any other source for this I'll edit to reflect the source. Desdinova (talk) 01:15, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I changed "may have used" to "is accused of using" since the source (https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2008/02/08/gay-executions-imminent-in-iran-claims-amnesty/). as DesdinovaUk asserts, gives only a concrete example of "Six men were sentenced [...] of having abducted two young men [..], stealing their property and raping them." additionally, the source speaks of men being sentenced, not of the sentence being carried out. --SamiGrith (talk) 15:36, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Reports of a stoning sentence being carried out in 2012 are unconfirmed/disputed

The article claims "There were reports of a stoning sentence being carried out in 2012". and cites Death Penalty Database. The relevant part is "In November 2012, the website “Melli-Mazhabi” reported that four women were stoned to death in Iran, although the Tehran Forensic Medicine Department rejected those claims. [14] Melli-Mazhabi’s report has since been cited by notable non-governmental organizations. [15]".

Where [15] links to US Dept. of State, 2012 Human Rights Report which can be found here (https://web.archive.org/web/20171114091743/http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/204571.pdf), but in that document we read (page 5): "Unconfirmed reports on November 3 on the opposition Melli-Mazhabi Web site claimed that security agents from the judiciary transferred the bodies of four women who had been stoned to the Tehran medical examiner’s office. According to the Web site, the bodies had visible wounds, including on their faces, to indicate torture, beatings, and stoning. Officials denied the reports but did not provide alternative explanations for the causes of death of the four women, who had allegedly been charged with engaging in “illegitimate relationships” and drug use." --SamiGrith (talk) 17:14, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Image in "Hanging" section has no encyclopedic value

I replaced this image with a link to

WP:GRATUITOUS and it was reverted. I believe the edit was justified because the image does not add encyclopedic value. This page includes many details about hanging in Iran: it is usually done inside prisons, with particular gallows designs or with cranes, and often with distinctive blue plastic rope and a short drop. This image is of a public execution using white rope, and it is framed closely around the body so neither the drop height nor the gallows is visible. Far from being illustrative of the text, if the image were replaced with a hanging from another part of the world the page would be basically unchanged, and therefore a link to Hanging is more appropriate than this image. --74.98.251.105 (talk) 17:09, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply
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Iran judicial system

This long entry leads to the mistaken understanding that modern Iran has an independent judiciary, where the accused are guaranteed a fair trial. No serious observer of Iran believes this; they consistently report that Iran's judicial system is corrupt and basic safeguards for the accused do not exist. Is it possible that this could be made clear in your entry? The entry looks like it was written by Islamist propagandists working for the Iranian regime. 2601:184:4080:F120:483D:DF17:7282:747 (talk) 17:37, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Link

The link in reference no. 5 does not work. It should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.18.253.78 (talk) 07:51, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RfC on image of hanging

Should this picture of a hanging be included in the article? ;; Maddy ♥︎(they/she)♥︎ :: talk  12:31, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • I walked into a slow-burning edit war on this one. In my view, the image should not be included for much the same reasons given by
    WP:GRATUITOUS
    . A fitting illustration to this section should support the details in the text better.
TL;DR: no. Thank you, ;; Maddy ♥︎(they/she)♥︎ :: talk  12:31, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • No The picture does not support the details given in the accompanying text (type of rope, general setup) due to the way it's cropped. I don't think it's really adding anything to the article, aside from showing the reader what a hanging looks like, which isn't the purpose of this article. It might be appropriate for
    WP:LEAST. MerelyPumpkin (talk) 05:20, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply
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Speculating??

The second sentence of this article includes "speculating" as a crime punishable by death, but it does not indicate whether this refers to speculating on the stock market or just wondering about something. It is not referenced anywhere else in the article nor can I find any other information about it on Google. RAGentry (talk) 04:23, 13 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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