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Originally IP: 81.213.213.127 stated: "Denmark must apologize"

Why are we not reporting on the fact that: Islamic Society of Denmark Used Fake

Yes it might be true, some people are indeed distorting the image of Denmark like this. However, the original 12 cartoons are enough to hurt the feelings of 1,300,000,000 Muslims. If this means nothing to the people of Denmark, then we will keep

boycotting (peacefully), and hope that you learn your lesson. LebanonChild

11:09, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

1. Less as teen, top people of Islamic Society of Denmark Used Fake Cartoons.
2. Six of cartoons been 17. October printede in the Egyptian newspaper Al Fagr, without any mass protest.
3. Many have a interest in conflict. Particularly in Lebanon.

In defense of the Lebanese people, those who practiced violence against foreign embassies were mostly non-Lebanese. So don't go starting another wave of racial accusation by referring to us that way. Also, the Danish newspaper should've been smarter and should've studied the effect of its publication before releasing it to the public. Islam and Christianity are similar religions in context but so different in practice and thus ridiculing the Cross is so much different than making fun of a prophet who is regarded by many a holy figure and a principle pillar of Islam.

I find it offensive to say that what an independent danish newspaper thinks, is opinion of the danish people. Plz. do not write her unless you have something to discuss about the article Denmark. ℚuackor 19:43, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Either remove this thread completely or stop vadalizing my posts. Or open another thread for this discussion and send us the link.

• In the overall history of Denmark, will this incident even be remembered as significant a century from now? Or even a decade? Or next year even? Compared to more significant events in their history, I think this barely rates a footnote. :-) — RJH 19:03, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
  • "No" is the most probable answer for this one. Sure, it's kinda annoying that fanatics scorched an embassy, and Arla is pretty angry for having lost millions of crowns in exports. But the impact on Danish society and economy has been completely insignificant, since Danish exports to Muslim countries accounts for no more than 2 % of the economy (and that figure is probably too high). This will very soon become ancient history. Valentinian ^(talk) 19:35, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't think that it is important enough to be placed in the history section but you can put it into the international relations section since it covered a respectable part of the relations of Denmark with many sovereign states in the world. I don't know why images are forbidden in Islam (at least when you look my ID, I'm a Muslim too) but it is the belief of millions of people all around the world so people should respect others. It is the key point if you want to live in a peaceful society. See you, Deliogul 13:36, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Brief mentioning on the international relations section sounds ok. It was simply two value systems clashing. In the Danish case, the stern insistence on next-to-unlimited free speech is no doubt due to Denmark's traumatic experiences during World War II when Nazi Germany imposed censorship in Denmark. Since then, Danish schoolteachers have taken great pains to teach children that freedom of speech is a value that must never be compromised again. I agree with this priority, even though I consider myself a Christian. Have a nice day, too. Valentinian ^{T / C} 10:17, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Negative mention is better than no mention. In the end Denmark have profit of Prophet Muhammed's Cartoons.Håbet 21:54, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Are the danish moto: "Lad os hygge os" not rigtigt correctly translate to "Let's have a good time" or are it untranslatable?

It is untranslatable.

I disagree. I would translate it to: "Let's get cozy". I realize that cozy is not a direct translation of the word "hygge", but "hygge" has been translated to "coziness" by both the Crown Prince Frederik and Crown Princess Mary of Denmark. I do feel that since the prince and princess are as close as you get to "being danish" (without being an idea) and since "cozy" is the general translation of the word "hygge" that "Let's get cozy" would be the correct translation.

(Nothing is intranslatable)

Nonsense, everything is intranslatable. But cozy is a pretty good approximation. Although I would rather just try to explain it, maybe something like 'a cozy, casual good time; hanging out doing little or nothing, often whilst eating a snack or minor meal'. Lundse 13:30, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I've always felt that "cozy" was the nearest in meaning to "hygge"

"Hygge" is nearly intranslatble. "Good time" is not really appropriate as "hygge" implies a lack of rowdiness. "Hanging out" has some of the same connotation.--SVTCobra 23:53, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

National motto: The help of God, the love of people, the greatness of Denmark.

is slogan of election of Queen or motto of the Queen.

"Lad os hygge os" can easily be translated as "Let's have a good time". It might miss a few nuances, but in general it expresses the same sentiment.--Kristjan Wager 20:13, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

Wouldn't the Queen's motto "Guds hjælp, Folkets kærlighed, Danmarks styrke" perhaps be better as "God's help, the People's love, Denmark's strength" rather than "God's help, the love of the people, Denmark's strength"? If nothing else, then because it is close in structure to the Danish version.--Kristjan Wager 20:13, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

Agreed. I think it gets to the heart of the motto. - Bruce, aka Agendum | Talk 23:17, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

"hygge" is one of the few Danish words which can't be translated - cozy is as close as we get. I'm thinking that "schadenfreude" and "femme fatalle" is examples of French and German words/concepts which can't be translated directly into English (although schadenfreude exists in the Nordic languages: skadefryd) for which reason they are are commonly used in their original form. Isn't there a word for these kinds of untranslatable words? Celcius 19:52, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Actually, coziness and hygge is pretty much the same thing. I have never understod why many Danes keep insisting that there is such a big difference - there isn't really. --Kristjan Wager 14:07, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Uhm... Because cosy implies a focus on one's surroundings and purely physical wellbeing, such as being comfortable and warm - this might very well be a part of Danish 'hygge' too, but not in the same degree, the social dimension is far more important for 'hygge'. Also, being cosy with someone has connotations of being in cahoots - of being allied in some way, or at least very close. Danish people use 'hygge' about a coffee-break at work or seeing your old friend for dinner - with no implication that because it was 'hyggeligt' there was any particular closeness or allience. Had you said 'cosy' one would imply that the coffee-break took place amongst pillows and/or was a big event; or that seeing the old friend you 'got cosy', ie. became close or agreed to help one another out somehow. Lundse 13:30, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Kristjan, you should check the dictionary before writting. Cozy (or cosy as the Brits spell it) has three meaning according to most dictionaries. One is "Snug, comfortable, and warm", which is a lot like hygge, but the two are "Marked by friendly intimacy" and "Informal. Marked by close association for devious purposes: a cozy agreement with the competition", both meaning which are not found in the Danish word hygge. Justpedersen 22:54, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Cute response... Really conductive for discussion and really mature.

That aside, I don't really see what your point is. You seem to claim that one use of cosy is a lot like the Danish (not contradicting, but rather supporting my claim that it is focussed on the surroundings). And then you mention two other uses for cosy which are not in the Danish hygge - all I am saying is that when using cosy, you will easily get connotations of these other meanings. And of course that where Danes will focus on the social (and possibly culinary) arrangements, then English speakers will tend to think of the room and physical arrangements. How is it you disagree with me here? Lundse 09:39, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

From http://danish.nigilist.ru

I. hygge (en) comfort, cosiness;

[skabe hygge] make the house (etc) look comfortable, make you feel at home.

II. hygge vb:

[hygge om en] make somebody comfortable;

(ofte =) give somebody a pleasant time;

[hygge sig] make oneself comfortable, feel at home; have a pleasant time;

[i aften skal vi rigtig hygge os] we will have a nice cosy evening;

[hyg jer!]

(T: afskedshilsen) have fun!

MX44 08:16, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Guds hjælp, Folkets kærlighed, Danmarks styrke "God's help, the people's love, Denmark's strength is the motto of the present queen, not the royal motto--62.66.201.215 10:29, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

I have made maps of the 13 counties of denmark - http://cryosphere.net/~morwen/denmark/ These aren't showing the municipalities with the status of counties because I couldnt find maps showing those borders. Any comments? Morwen 22:10, Jan 28, 2004 (UTC)

Great! I was actually going to ask you how you made your maps of the English counties, in order to give the Danish ones a try myself - you beat me to it and probably made the maps look better than I would have managed. :-)

You can see the municipalities on http://www.kmdvalg.dk/ (an election site); select the counties to "zoom in" (the municipalities in white didn't want to submit election information to the site, their colours have no relevance otherwise).

There is one error in your County of Copenhagen map: the county doesn't include the municipalites of Copenhagen and Frederiksberg (despite its name). Exclude both the light greenish municipalities as seen on the election site.

For completeness, and in order not to annoy the people living there, you should probably also include the island of Bornholm in your maps, even though it's not a county by definition (but like the Copenhagen and Frederiksberg municipalities, Bornholm Regional Municipality has country privileges) - maybe you could use a third colour for these three areas?

Oh, and if you decide to add municipalites, please notice that Bornholm is now one municipality, and no longer five as shown on the election site.

- Kåre Thor Olsen (Kaare) 20:08, 29 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Thanks. Done. I uploaded a map of copenhagen municipality, leaving it here

This probably wants adding to the copenhagen city page? I didn't upload the Fredricksberg map since it is impossible to see it. I will ponder that. ;) Morwen 21:22, Jan 29, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll add the county maps to da: and the Copenhagen Municipality map to either the city page or a new municipality page.

You're right about Frederiksberg Municipality, it would be a tiny dot. ;-) Its area is very small, but 90,000 people live there...

- Kåre Thor Olsen (Kaare) 21:41, 29 Jan 2004 (UTC)

A controversy has erupted over the choice of map for this article. The two candidates are shown here, along with any others that other Wikipedians may choose to enter. Feel free to make any comments. The lower map may also appear in the corresponding Geography article for this country. Kelisi 02:59, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I like the small one best; the text in the large one doesn't look good when the map is scaled to the size in which it is used (too small and too cluttered), and the colors in the big one are too strong. It may be a good idea to show amt borders as the big one does, but it may end up too cluttered for the size we use. Thue | talk 06:25, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Are you able to translate the Danish text of te article on Janteloven into English, please? See my request at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:The_Jante_Law Agendum 00:39, 29 Jan 2004 (UTC)

The additional information in the Danish article has already been deleted once, but was apparently added back. The reference to Jesus (quoting the bible) is far-fetched in my opinion (so I'm not going to translate it) - but I haven't read Sandemose's book nor the bible... - Kåre Thor Olsen (Kaare) 20:08, 29 Jan 2004 (UTC)

"Denmark was united by Harold Bluetooth (Harald Blåtand) around 980"

No, his father Gorm the English was king of Denmark and Norway. And father and son were kings together by 14 year.

Gorm the Old is identical by Guthrum of East_Anglia. Danish: Gorm = English: Guthrum. Guthrum the Young was king from 902 to 918 in East_Anglia.

Denmark was united by Hardeknut, who was the father of Gorm the Old

All this is unknown. We know Golm the Old was "King of Denmark". We have no idea what "Denmark" meant at that time. It could just be one or two of the three original lands. carewolf 23:00 23 january 2007 (UTC)

(SVG Format) The red of this flag is to light.

(Mon May 31, 2004). Sky, why did you remove the messages boxes about Denmark being among monachies, and being member of the Nordic Council? - I'm talking about this change: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Denmark&diff=0&oldid=3789741 --TroelsArvin

Hmm, maybe he/she did it due to some consensus among the WikiProject Countries members? (warning: long discussion, but essential). I also notice that there's a new 'category' feature popping up in many countries' articles; perhaps this is meant to replace msg boxes? Just guessing here. --Wernher 20:42, 31 May 2004 (UTC) ( who, incidentally, made the monarchies msg box, and now is considering to make it into a category instead... I would like this information to be available in the kingdoms' articles, one way or another.  ;-/ )

IMO, Nordic Council can stay. It was there before all this MediaWiki boxes crazyness came about. I'm thinking that monarchies should go to

Military of Denmark, etc. Feel free (to anyone) to comment at WikiProject Countries, BTW. --Jiang

21:39, 31 May 2004 (UTC)

OK, I will take part in further discussion on this matter in WikiProject Countries' Talk page. I agree on the theme-based placement of boxes as outlined. But I think a monarchy *category* marker could be placed in the top right(?) of the main article of the monarchial countries. --Wernher 17:54, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Update: see Category:Monarchies (so far only Andorra included, as a test). The MediaWiki box is now placed in the category page instead. --Wernher 20:29, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)

This article says that Denmark is smaller than more than 100 countries, but

The list (as you may have noticed) includes Greenland and the Faroe Islands, both of which are home ruling territories of the Kingdom of Denmark. This article, however, leaves the description of Greenland and the Faroe Islands to their respective articles. Usually when you say Denmark, you don't also mean Greenland and Faroe Islands, who in several ways are independant countries and dislike being thought of as mere remote parts of Denmark. - Kaare 00:39, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)

It seems a bit strange to me that we have both a "Miscellaneous topics" section and a "See also" section. The two don't seem to differ much. Would anyone oppose to a fusion of the two, and an alphabetization of the items in the fused section?

By the way: I would like to add ISO 3166's two-/three-letter code and numeric code, the Danish language code, Denmark's international licence plade code, perhaps the International Telecommunication Union letter code for Denmark, etc. I thought this could be put in a little table somewhere on the page. Any thoughts on this? TroelsArvin 09:57, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

there is really no mention of religion in Denemark... I know you are very secular country...but... there seems to be something missing --Macronyx 12:14, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Religion is of so little importance that it's rarely ever heard off, I see no reason why it should have any special mentioning other than than the obvious; That most citizens are born into the Lutheran church and freedom of religion is allowed.

On the grounds that it is completely wrong I removed this part:

Denmark is a

secular society; the government

and the church are separate entities. The government generally does not interfere with any religious matters since religion is widely believed to be a personal choice in Denmark.

Denmark is not a secular state, and doesnt claim ot be. As it is rightly stated in the demographics section, Denmark has a state church, which is even regulated by a Church Ministry.Bertilvidet 22:39, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Can someone underline the fact that eventhough most are born into the mass of the Lutheran church not many is active believers, there must be a survey or study out somewhere that tells that most danes are members by default but only a small precentage is active christians? (as a subjective note all the people I know is members of the church but NONE are active in the chruch - we use the services becasue of tradition and the romantic notion of a wedding but if you ask people about Jesus they are not likely to belive much of the bibles tellings). 83.73.64.191 16:28, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Some anonymous editor (138.217.68.91) has added a stub atticle about a writer called Robert Lacy and added him to the list of well known Danes (the Culture section). Allegedly, Robert Lacy lives in Odense. I cannot find any evidence of a such a writer, neither in the White Pages, in the databases of Danish libraries, nor in Amazon. I'll remove the link (and ask for removal of the "Robert Lacy" page) if noone confirms the existence of "Robert Lacy" (with relevant proof of existence, like a reference to a publisher having published his work) soon. TroelsArvin 08:22, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I have never heard of him, and I don't get any google hits for "Robert Lacy" "portraiture prize" and only one bad hit for "Robert Lacy" "Fish in a Barrel".

I added the article to vfd. Thue | talk

11:37, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I removed the following because to my knowledge, Denmark have no official languages. Not even Danish have any special status, except for the law about Dansk Sprognævn. Rasmus (talk) 07:40, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Danish and German are official languages in Denmark. In Greenland, which is a Danish dependency, Greenlandic is also official language.

Status or not, I would be quite upset as a Dane, if Danish was not mentioned as a language in Denmark! Maybe Rigsdansk is official? Of course "Danish" includes a lot of dialects such as Jysk, Fynsk and Bornholmsk, which are all concidered "hard to understand" by "the rest of the population", but all Danes are supposed to learn Rigsdansk/Danish in school, ans foreigners moving to Denmark also have to take Danish classes. G®iffen 18:21, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

the rest of the population? you mean those who inhabit less then hafe the country and who the rest doesent understand! Please have in mind the the dialect of Copenhagen niether is rigsdansk!

I'm pretty sure G®iffen doesn't meen copenhagens by "the rest of the population". It's most likely "everybody except the once who speak that specefic dialect". Franzy 14:47, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

The law describes Danish as the language used in schools, this gives it official status. Danish is also the only language officially used for government administration, including communication with ordinary citizens. The language is not mentioned in the Constitution, but it is the official language as per other legislation. Valentinian ^(talk) 09:47, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Recently there has been a discussion (in denmark) about whether or not to add English as a second official language. Danish as an official language has haven't been questioned in this debate. Nichlas 12:28, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Retsplejeloven [1] §§ 69 and 149 specifies that Danish is the operating language of Danish courts. Potential jurors will be rejected unless they are able to understand sufficient Danish. Valentinian ^{(talk) / (contribs)} 09:27, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Can anyone add a section about the administrative regions of this country? Everton 11:05, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

I purpose a large cut in “other well known danes” (under culture). I actually had to say “who?” to some of them. Red links in “well known danes”, are you kidding me? OUTTTTT This is not a list of Danes, there is a perfect good list right here List of Danes where you can add all you want. Nobel Prize does not automatically make you a well-known Dane nor does being a superstar in whatever job (ballet master???? Huh? Most Danes could not even mention ONE on instant demand and here you got a whole horde in the list???) The best thing would be if someone from another nation did the cleaning up. He or she would know much better who is actually "well known" Danes. Twthmoses 13:35, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Reducted of this over-inflated list today. Moved all others to List of Danes. Twthmoses 08:24, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Please see Talk:Flag of Denmark#What is going on with the Danish flag??? Twthmoses 04:19, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

I removed the bold sections below, but User:Haabet reinstated it:

The majority of the population is of Scandinavian descent, with small groups of

Kurds

which are currently immigrants. According to official statistics in 2003 immigrants made up 6.2% of the total population.

English as well, particularly those in larger cities and the youth, who are taught English in school and also small group of people speaks Kurdish

.

User:Haabet, can you explain why you feel that we should single out Kurds out of the many groups of immigrants? Rasmus (talk) 18:12, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

The following links seem to provide some numbers. Read from page 36, the largest groups seem to be

• Turkish 50000
• German 25000
• Bosnian,Libanon,Pakistan,Irak,Yugoslavia,Somalia,Norway, Sweden: Each around 20000

http://www.ted.dk/pdf/ted_publications1.pdf

I don't think that it is wise to include Kurds as a separate minority, but If you want, you : can start a page on ethnic groupings among Danish imigrants, but this would require you to

make an analysis of the Iraki,Pakistani and Somalians as well.

she is a famous actress who was big during the french new wave. i don't know how to edit, but she should be under the list of famous danes i think.

This seems to be a poor section to have in the 'denmark' article. maybe an introduction can be written but this terrible list can be sent to

I've done a little cleanup on the famous Danes list, but I agree that it doesn't really fit in the Denmark article at the moment. We need a summary of culture in Denmark, so it doesn't stand out like it does now. Hestemand 14:52, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Article refers to Hamlet being Shakespeare's greatest play; this statement is at best highly contentious

Ignore my earlier comment on your talk page, but followup: I don't think the npov tag is needed. Why not attempt to modify that passage as you see fit? Npov refers to when there is opposition, but since nothing happned yet... Thanks again. El_C 04:28, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Denmark has actually got two coats of arms, a small and a large one. The one showed in the article is the small one. Should'nt we show both? Thrane 17:20, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Actually, people use to insert only the most common Coat of Arms of each country. However, if the "larger" Danish coat is also plenty used, why not? Do you know any link where we may find it? 201.6.253.247 16:02, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

No, Denmark has one coat of arms (the three lions). The other coat of arms was often referred to as the "Great" coat of arms (similar to the Swedish system). Since around 1960, the latter has been reserved for the royal family, so since then, Denmark has just a single coat of arms. --Valentinian 03:05, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Just a question from a generalist surfer: How do these statements resolve?

"Denmark is the oldest monarchy in the world." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denmark (under the Politics section)

"...the Chrysanthemum Throne is the oldest continuing monarchy in the world" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysanthemum_Throne

Further reading shows:

"Denmark is a constitutional monarchy with an almost unbroken link of monarchs for more than 1,000 years (except for an interregnum of eight years from 1332 to 1340)." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Denmark

"With historical assurance the record is back to Emperor Ōjin who supposedly reigned in the early 5th century." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysanthemum_Throne

Denmark's royal family can be traced back to

List of dubious Danish kings or da:Sagnkonger (the better of the two). The safe conclusion might be that Denmark is the world's oldest kingdom and Japan the oldest empire :) --Valentinian

00:05, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

This is what it says on the official "Royal House" page: http://kongehuset.dk/publish.php?dogtag=k_en_fam

By any measure Japan is older...

Babbletower 13:40, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

In the demographics section religion is mentioned, the following is stated: "For the last decade

In my opinion the decline in the Danish Peoples Church is irelevant without any specific numbers supporting it. The old norse religion has been apporved but since this happened I have heard nothing of it. I aggain can't see the relevance, this religion has very few followers but I could not find the exact numbers. The religion has a webpage: [2], maybe some information can be found here. However, Ásatrú has no real importance in my country (Denmark) because there er not many followers. For theese reasons I am removing the lines stated.

The Foreign Ministry may have made what they think is a fine reference to, among other things, the constitution. But they've got it wrong in the translation. The constitution states clearly:
§ 3. Legislative authority shall be vested in the King and the Folketing conjointly.
Executive authority shall be vested in the King.
Judicial authority shall be vested in the courts of justice.

And in § 12: Subject to the limitations laid down in this Constitutional Act, the King shall have supreme authority in all the affairs of the Realm, and shall exercise such supreme authority through the Ministers.

§ 12 is where the monarchy becomes constitutional.

Thus, the separation of powers, which most democracies pride themselves of, is also enacted in the Danish constitution. Page corrected to that effect.
Roidhun 07:44, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Just out of curiousity, is it possible to compile a short list of the most famous Danish products and brands? We could incorportate it into the article about Business in Denmark. --rydel 16:19, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

well-known Danish brands

The exact origin of Denmark is lost in history. The oldest Danevirke is from the seventh century. That seems pretty much out of the blue. The reader coming here for information probably does not know what a Danevirke is. Okay, there's a link, but then what does a Danevirke have to do with the origins of the country Denmark? Or the Runic alphabet for that matter. Seeing that there is a main article about the history of Denmark, I think the first paragraph should just go. I think it is only confusing. Piet 11:43, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Terribly sorry, I disagree. "Lost in history" is one of those memorable one-liners. Congratulations, whoever coined it. Maybe the Danevirke should be clarified by a couple words. That could just as well be in the main article. As for the Runic alphabet, that gives evidence of the language spoken by the first known Danes.

In fact the paragraph is completely true. We have a lot of information on earlier peoples. Then there is a complete gap, of which the underlying cause is the social disruption of packing up lock stock and barrel and taking east Britain from the Romanized Celts. When things settle down the Danes are there. If there is any confusion it is in history itself and does not come from the writer. Also, it is the Danes who come out of the blue and not the prose. Please keep the paragraph. Thanks.

I think the whole section is a good intro to the history. You need a lead-in to provide some connection between articles. The lead-in itself is nowhere near adequate as a history article, but the history is given elsewhere. From what I can see, that is the article that needs a lot more work.

I did clarify the lead-in a bit and added some etymology, which somebody ought to add. It is not in the main article. The way I see it, the meaning of Denmark ought to be under denmark.Dave 13:55, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

I think that the listing of prominent Danes is somewhat dubious, there are in my opinion way to many people listed who are not really that prominent. For instance no one outside the computing world knows any of the three creators of programming languages.

Look people – this isn’t working. When people come to here to find information about Denmark this article is saying:

“Look, this Is Denmark. I will tell you everything you need to know about this country – the best and the worst. Oh – and here is a list of the 33 most prominent Danes of the last 1500 years of Danish history – one of them is an NFL kicker, another is a poker player and a third was a member of Aqua!” wtf?

No no no no – we can not possibly put an NFL kicker up there side by side with

Sweden lists all Swedish Nobel prize winners – some 30 all in all but the article is much longer than the Danish one and since the Nobel Prize is Swedish it’s not really comparable. Norway, France and Germany doesn’t list any at all – and England lists 13.

Our list

The list should aim for 10-15 of the most internationally influential and famous Danes through the last 1000 years of our history. Visitors should be shown the best of the best – either from an ‘’’international’’’ point of view or from a national point of view like

Revised list

I know this may be controversial but we have to reach some sort of consensus. A lot of people have voiced dissatisfaction with this list and it seems wholly random who ends up on it. Underneath is my proposal – voice your opinions and let’s figure out what to do. This is only my suggestion – feel free to criticize and come with your own suggestion.

Suggested list

1. Ludvig Holberg - Writer - Not in the previous list...
2. Tycho Brahe, astronomer
3. Canute the Great
   , king of Denmark, Norway and England
4. Vitus Bering, explorer and navigator
5. Karen Blixen, also known as Isak Dinesen, author
6. Niels Bohr, physicist and Nobel Prize laureate
7. Søren Kierkegaard, existentialist philosopher
8. Hans Christian Ørsted, physicist, discoverer of electromagnetism åå
9. N.F.S. Grundtvig
   , poet, hymnalist, educationalist
10. Carl Nielsen, composer
11. Jørn Utzon, architect
12. Niels Stensen
    (Nicolas Steno), 1638-1686, Scientist: Anatomy (Stensen's duct) and Geology
13. Ole Rømer
14. Georg Brandes

• Limbo – maybe – maybe not
  • Georg Jensen, designer
  • Mærsk Mc-Kinney Møller, transport and business mogul
  • Piet Hein, a scientist, mathematician, inventor, author, and poet (polymath)
  • Tom Kristensen, seven times winner of 24 hours of Le Mans
  • Helena Christensen, supermodel
  • Bille August, film director
  • Victor Borge, entertainer, pianist
  • Asta Nielsen, silent film actress

• These people could be casually mentioned as examples of Denmark as a society of technology and IT but to computer-illiterates its meaningless and most Danes have no clue who they are.
  • Rasmus Lerdorf, author of the first version of the PHP web programming language
  • Anders Hejlsberg, computer scientist, inventor of the C# programming language
  • Bjarne Stroustrup, computer scientist, inventor of the C++ programming language
  • Peter Naur
  • Jakob Nielsen

• The problem with these sports icons is that all countries have famous sportsmen - and even though we should certainly be proud of them, as with all sportsmen they slip into obscurity upon retirement. Wilson Kipketer would make more sense since he holds world records. Also, keep in mind Allan Simonsen is probably the most prominent on that list ref. "European Footballer of the Year" - there is a reason why no other European country lists their national equivalents.
  • Peter Schmeichel footballer (goalkeeper)
  • Bjarne Riis, winner of the 1996 Tour de France
  • Allan Simonsen, 1977 European Footballer of the Year
  • Michael Laudrup, footballer, winner of Confederations Cup 1995

• Very, very close to the bottom of the list
  • Lars Ulrich, member of heavy metal band Metallica
  • René Dif, member of the pop band Aqua
  • Gus Hansen, professional poker player
  • Morten Andersen, NFL kicker

• Not really famous
  • Connie Nielsen, actress (B-actress, obscure to most non-Danes)
  • Brigitte Nielsen, actress (B-actress, obscure to most non-Danes)
  • Ole Kirk Christiansen, inventor of LEGO (The toy is famous, not Kirk)

Celcius 07:05, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

I would certainly include

N.F.S. Grundtvig

. Regarding the computer science people, I find the argument that they are only know to a select crowd interesting, especially since you want to include Grundtvig, who is pretty much unknown outside Denmark.

I would suggest making a computer people list for them, and include Peter Naur and Jakob Nielsen as well. ALternatively we could refer people to the category Danish computer scientists --Kristjan Wager 16:47, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

That's great - I have added Steno to the list along with Ole Rømer who was forgotten for some obscure reason. I removed Victor Borge and Asta Nielsen as they're impact is limited compared to the others on the list. Grundtvig is still up for debate though although I'm open to removing him - I just seem to remember something about him being really famous in China and Asie? I added Peter Naur and Jakob Nielsen to the computer list - I suggest we make a paragraph in either Denmark#Culture or Culture of Denmark relating to Denmark and computer technology. These people along with the very digitized system we have i.e.. "Nemkonto" could make for a great article. Celcius 23:13, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

One notable omission is

Ben Mottelson, Henrik Pontoppidan, Jens Christian Skou

.

I'd include Hans Christian Andersen too. He is so enormously famous both in Denmark and internationally that I'd find it odd if he wasn't there - my guess is that others would too. Hamstro (Talk) 19:19, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Of course -- how could anybody forget him? I guess Hans Christian Andersen is most famous of all Danes.

I'd take a look here http://www.dina.kvl.dk/~abraham/fame.html 85.82.180.82 11:24, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Eahh, what about Knud Rasmussen...did I just miss him, or did you guys? --69.120.63.248 07:08, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

I doubt the average Danish schoolchild would have a clue who Knud Rasmussen was. His expedition to Thule was famous a hundred years ago, but few Danes remember him today. Valentinian ^{T / C} 22:39, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

This page keeps improving, but just for the inspiration, try checking the pages on Romania and France. I found both rather impressive, and there's probably many more good examples. Valentinian ^(talk) 21:20, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Is there an extra "was" here?

"The old border of Norway was to the north was Finmark." Maurreen 16:45, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, Håbet 09:20, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

1. The opening table shows this text: "({{{population estimate_rank}}})". It was intended to tell the system where to put the population rank, but my attempt to fix it made it worse, so I left it alone.

2. In the first paragraph, "between 54°33′31″N, 57°44′55″N and 8°4′36″E, 15°11′59″E " contains two malfunctioning links. Click them and they say "Error, out of range".

3. Near the end of the article, what does this mean: "Statistics Denmark Click on "Key-figures-Population and elections"Click"+"Click the table HISB3(English language)"? After I found the tiny British flag for the English language version, I found "Population and elections", but I didn't find "Key-figures" or "HISB3", and what is "Click"+"Click the table? Double click the table? What table? Art LaPella 22:09, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Hopefully these problems are fixed now. Hemmingsen 16:13, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes. Thank you. Art LaPella 18:07, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Is this information in the "Government" section needed?

"Denmark practices universal suffrage. By Danish law, women are considered equal to men (except that they are not drafted, but they may volunteer to join the military)." Maurreen 17:22, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't know, perhaps a bit redundant for describing a Western Democratic country, I mean they've all got niversal suffrage -- Snailwalker | talk 15:16, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

That's what I thought; I'll delete it. Maurreen 17:39, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Deleted reference #8 due to linkrot. Tried to find another online reference for the information, but my attempts were unsuccessful.PDXblazers 05:52, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Should there be something in this article about the folkehøjskole movement and its founder N.F.S. Grundtvig? It is described on another website as "the single most original contribution that Denmark has made to international thinking about popular education" - it doesn't seem to be covered in the general education sub-category. Just a thought. --Agendum 23:26, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

The shortest and longest days of the year are celebrated. The celebration for the shortest day is Christmas. Originally, this day was only about the shortest day, but was later combined with Christianity.

Er, which day of the year is meant by "Christmas" - the 25th of December, or the actual winter solstace? On which calendar system? Is this holiday that is described in Yule?

In Denmark Christmas is celebrated the 24th of December. --Maitch 11:18, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

As far as I understood christmas was invented before the Danish were christened. If this is true then the reference to "The shortest day". Should be deleted. By the way the celebrations of saint lucy December 13th, is also sometimes refered to as "The shortest day"

The pagans had no calendar, they had party until the beer was drinking, so they continue on a second place.Håbet 16:41, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

They might not have had a calendar as such, but it is pretty easy to determine the shortest and longest day of the year without modern tools. Stonehenge in England proves this. In Denmark, the shortest day is 21 December and it was celebrated in pre-Christian times under the name Jul (in old English: Yule, today the Danish name for Christmas). Parallel to this; the feast of summer solstice (Midsummer) was transformed into a Catholic feast of Saint John the Baptist, and today it is a non-religious feast known as Sankt Hans (which literally means: St. John). The feast celebrating Saint Lucy is a more recent Swedish tradition. It was introduced in Denmark around 1950. Valentinian ^{(talk) / (contribs)} 20:35, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

The if Stonehenge is a calendar, if that calendar was forgotten in the Stone Age in UK, and never see in Denmark. Yes a old regulation say: Christmas is when the morning sun shone on the hearth from the gable lyre. :-) If you do not have a church or priesthood you have no need of calendar.Håbet 23:41, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Frederiksberg and Glostrup is in Copenhagen county(Amt) to. Copenhagen capital is also Copenhagen county so that should be deleted.

I dont know how to edit the map, so i haven´t changed it.

Tag og kontrollér dine oplysninger igen. Københavns, Frederiksberg og Bornholms kommuner varetager amtsopgaver, og er derfor ikke del af noget amt.

(in English: I suggest you check your sources again. Copenhagen City, Frederiksberg and Bornholm are municipalities also fulfilling the tasks of counties. They are *not* part of any county.) Valentinian ^(talk) 17:42, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

We've fixed this one. See: Talk:Counties of Denmark --Valentinian ^(talk) 13:19, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

The conscription now only consists of 4 months military service, called HBU (Hærens Basis Uddannelse) or The Armys Elementary Education (Very rough translation).—Preceding unsigned comment added by RedSaint (talk • contribs)

"The Danish education system is sophisticated system designed to educate the people of Denmark. Everybody has free access to public school, high school and most kinds of higher education (universities etc.).

has been changed into

"The Danish education system is sophisticated and offers free access to public school, high school and most kinds of higher education (universities etc.)."

Every education system is there to educate, hence the change and merger of two phrases. As this is the first sentence of the section, I thought the change deserved to be explained here. RedZebra 18:48, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Hmm.. Could you provide a source for the statement: "free". —The preceding

unsigned comment was added by Nstenberg (talk • contribs

) .

I merely made some changes to the style by removing a redundant phrase "education system (...) designed to educate" and merging its sentence with the next one. As I am not a Dane, I cannot vouch for the veracity of this site. It does however say that: There are no tuition fees in Danish schools or universities, unless a private school is chosen. Free and equal access to education are overriding principles and consequently all major activities within the Danish education system are financed through general taxes. There are no tuition fees in Danish schools or universities, unless a private school is chosen. RedZebra 16:11, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't have any source to back this statement, but I'm a Dane and attending University and the only thing you have to pay for is the books that you'll have to buy at a book store. But there is absolutely no tuition for Universities, high schools or primary school. Snailwalker | talk 05:09, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

I think that the final paragraph in the education section needs serious revision. I personally think it's unnessecary, unless reformated and cited.

"The normal school in Denmark is "den Danske Folkeskole" or "the Danish Publicschool". It goes from 0-10 grade. In Denmark you can also go to "Friskole" or freeschool, the freeschools are not under the state. An exampel is "Rudolf Steiner Skolerne" or "Waldof Schools". The most speciel kind of schools in Denmark is "Efterskole", it's aint a Boarding school but it's reminds of. If you translate directly from danish it becomes Afterschool, Efter = After, Skole = School. The "afterschools" goes from 8-10 class, and everybody lives at the school. One of the big difference between a boarding school and an "afterschool" is the freedom, you have (mostly) more freedom at an afterschool. What to read more about afterschools check www.efterskole.dk There's also "højskoler" in Denmark, if you transelate the word "højskole" it become "highschool", but it isn't a highschool as the english highschools. It's a 4-6 or 10 months course. It can be a language school, a sport school and a lot of other things."

I have made an edit for the spelling and grammar, but I wanted to see if anyone agrees with me about a major revision. --Benjamin 09:21, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

• I agree wholeheartedly. The information in the paragraph might fit somewhere in Education in Denmark although it would still need serious revision. I would remove it. Hamstro (Talk) 17:15, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

What is that fake Viking Boat in the harbour of (Swedish Capital!) Stockholm doing in the section on Danish History? It is a steel construction with some weird ornaments welded on back & front, screaming fake from a mile away. It is not seaworthy at all, unsuitable for the unruliness of the nearby Baltic Sea (not to mention the North Sea and the Atlantic.)

Any suggestion for a replacement? MX44 08:48, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

As evident on the page, I've put up The Jelling Stones. It is a bit dark, but shows both stoens as well as one of the mounds. I think the Jelling Stones seem a natural subject to illustrate at that point of time in the article.Poulsen 12:30, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

The map for this country has recently been changed to a format which is not standard for Wikipedia. Each and every other country identifies that country alone on a contintental or global map; none of them highlight other members of relevant regional blocs or other states which which that country has political or constitutional links. The EU is no different in this respect unless and until it becomes a formal state and replaces all other states which are presently members; the progress and constitutional status of the EU can be properly debated and identified on the page for that organisation; to include other members of the EU on the infobox map for this country is both non-standard and potentially POV.

Please support me in maitaining Denmark's proper map (in Wikipedia standard) until we here have debated and agreed this issue? Who is for changing the map and who against? The onus is on those who would seek to digress from Wiki standard to show why a non-standard and potentially POV map should be used. Denmark deserves no less! JamesAVD 15:25, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

This user has decided to remove references to the EU from the page of every member state. See his talk page for more details. yandman 15:30, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Please do not discuss here, but at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Countries so a uniform decision can be reached. Kusma (討論) 15:33, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

The users above are misrepresnting my actions. Certain non-standard items have been included in the infoboxes of the pages of some European states. I have removed the undiscussed and unsupported changes and started a discussion here on the best way forward. I have in no way 'removed references to the EU'! The EU is an important part of the activities of the governmenance of many European states, to the benefit of all. That does not mean that an encyclopedia should go around presenting potentially POV information of the constitutional status of the EU in the infoboxes of states which are supposed to be standardised across Wikipedia. I'm interested in what users here feel? Please feel free to comment at any of the various pages Yandman might suggest. JamesAVD 15:50, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

PLEASE DISCUSS THIS AT Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Countries#Location_Maps_for_European_countries--_discussion_continues as it involves more than just this country.

Thanks, —MJCdetroit 20:20, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

"Denmark a constitutional monarchy in 1849 after having been an absolutist state since 1660"

Hello, can you please correct it:)? Thanks!20:54, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

The Kingdom of Denmark (Danish: Kongeriget Danmark IPA: ['dɑnmɑɐ̥g̊]) is the smallest and southernmost of the Nordic countries.

The Kingdom of Denmark is Greenland, Faroe Islands and Denmark together.Håbet 21:54, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Hey guys. Can you head over to Talk:Roskilde and help resolve the conflict? Thanks! --OrbitOne ^[Talk|Babel] 23:53, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

This article states: "However, an increasingly larger part of the labor force choose not to become members of a trade union or to become members of one of the trade unions outside the organised system..." I've lived in Denmark for many years and I see no evidence of this. Unions remain highly popular in Denmark. Too often, Wikipedia articles seem to be written by right-wingers who are hostile to unions, worker's rights, progressive politics, etc. and as a result Wikipedia is smothered with unsourced comments like the above that have no basis in reality.

Well the LO has seen a decline in its membership in the last decade, but overall union membership is up. Makgraf 06:46, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Laleena has proposed the creation of a WikiProject on Denmark at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Denmark. If you would be interested in joining such a project, please add your name there so it can be known if there is sufficient interest in such a project to start one. Thank you. Badbilltucker 20:18, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

I tagged the section about Denmark's international rankings as it is quite listy and not flowing prose. I'm not sure if we should include it at all? Snailwalker | talk 19:25, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Why even have a section like that? Some of the links could be moved to other sections whereever they make sense. Some of them could fit well into the ecomomics section.

Babbletower 19:32, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

If you read through the etymology section, you will find that is not very well written and completely without sources. The whole section is on top of that only speculation with words like "uncertain", "interpretations" and "seems". I propose that we get rid of this section. Remember that Wikipedia should be based on verifiable information. --Maitch 21:01, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Support removal. I doubt that the current paragraph can be fixed. Valentinian ^{(talk) / (contribs)} 20:47, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

It is now removed. --Maitch 17:04, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

We need that on this article. --Arigato1 13:29, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

The natural fauna is extinct ^[1] and the natural flora had only survived by the coast^[2], where it is is threaten of imported plants.^[3] The originally prehuman nature was a cold tundra, and without influence human the land had been a forest dominate of

Denmark has been add to the new Category:Germanic culture by an editor. Please discuss this to ascertain whether this is appropriate or not - and act accordingly.-- Zleitzen^(talk) 13:44, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

This has already been reverted, and the article should stay that way. This article is about a country, not a culture, and Danish culture has a lot more in common with the culture of the other Nordic nations than it has with the culture of Bavaria or Saxony. I don't see a relevance for including the article under Category:Danish culture either. Valentinian ^{T / C} 15:03, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

How do you catergorizing what is Germanic culture? Why include Denmark without including England, Norway, Iceland, Sweden etc. Germany and Holland and England (witch also has same

West Germanic language in common, has more culture in common than Germany and Denmark. I think that all Germanic speaking countries including Finland (since they have a germanic culture) should belong in that category. --Arigato1

20:15, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

I've created this page with the hopes that others will come and expand it. Please do this. --Hojimachong^talk 07:28, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

je cherche des information sur les belle place a visiter au danemark stp aidez moi

• Try VisitDenmark.com. Poulsen 16:27, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Why did Dannish lose the "th" sound like in English? They used to have it, didn't they? Flyingdannish 00:42, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Regarding these lines "but the number of people in the top income tax bracket still grows. This of cause is also true for the number of people in the lowest income tax bracket."

While the growth in the number of people in the top income tax bracket (I assume it's referring to people paying the Top incom tax) can be explained with a general increase in wages, it would be nice with some citations.

Similarly the growth in the lowest bracket can be attributed to the tax break of 2003, where the limit for when the Mellemskat would apply was raised with approx. 20000 dkr/year (ie. many people who used to belong to the middle Melllemskat tax bracket suddenly found themselves in the bottom Bundskat bracket), meaning people got a tax break. The wording make it sound like a bad thing.Teral 12:55, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

I have to argue with the following quote from the current text: "Denmark is regarded as a Scandinavian country, although it is not located on the Scandinavian Peninsula." This is not entirely true. The island of Bornholm lies in the very same granite bassin as much of Sweden to the north of it. In that regard the island of Bornholm is very different from the topography of the rest of Denmark. --

No arguing about the geography. The reason I wrote the way I did is that some people find this situation a bit confusing. A second reason why Denmark is a Scandinavian country is that quite a large chunk of Denmark was located on the Scandinavian peninsula until 1658. If you have a better phrase in mind, please

edit away. Valentinian ^{T / C}

23:26, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

The Scandinavian peninsula is so named because it is part of Scandinavia, not because it defines Scandinavia. Scandinavia was defined around 1850 as a political entity, not a geographic one. Carewolf 12:58, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Could we please get a lead image on which Denmark is not just a dot on the European continent. --Maitch 15:23, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't think such a move would be popular since the dust seems to have finally settled with the entire European material now using the same type of map. Denmark is hard to spot for the untrained eye, I agree, but it is somewhat late to get to the root of this problem (cf. 1658, 1814, and 1864). On the other hand, it is even harder to spot Luxembourg, Andorra, Montenegro, Malta, Monaco and a few others, so we probably shouldn't complain. :) Making more changes to these maps will just reopen something rather messy. My advice would be to stay clear of this one. Valentinian ^{T / C} 15:55, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

I find the use of English

Agree. Google only had Wikipedia mirrors for "Eastern Skerry" and I've never heard the "translated" name before. Removed. It might be relevant to include in an actual article about this skerry, if we ever get one. Valentinian ^{T / C} 21:45, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

You're invited to discuss a new series of vector maps to replace those currently used in Country infoboxes: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Countries#New European vector maps. Thanks/wangi 13:09, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

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