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I wrote this article (late 2004) before we were routinely citing sources. I didn't make anything up. Here is one of the articles I probably used. Some of it is from the Selfridge-Field book as well. Antandrus(talk) 04:35, 28 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Don't go taking this all personally, Antandrus! When I placed those requests for sources, I didn't look at the edit history first to see if this article had been written by someone I wanted to take a poke at. Of course I trust you (and all other editors on Wikipedia) to have consulted reliable sources before writing anything. Still, it is a sad fact that we must tell Wikipedia readers where the information in these articles comes from. I don't need to tell this to you, of all people! I'm only sorry I didn't leap in with the preferable format for references, when I had the chance. Now this article will be stuck with footnotes forever, whereas parenthetical referencing is so much superior. What a shame!—Jerome Kohl (talk) 08:35, 28 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I would have thought this would be a particularly easy article to reference and indeed expand, partly because the history of this family is the subject of David Lasocki's The Bassanos: Venetian musicians and instrument makers in England, 1531-1665, which I note is not among the works currently referenced. Unfortunately I don't have the book; I do however have Selfridge-Field, if that is of any help. With a view to restoring some of the removed material, with appropriate references, to the article, I'm placing it here:
Bassano was the person most responsible for the performance of the music of the Gabrielis, both as a performer and a director. Most likely
fantasias and ricercars are densely imitative and contain retrograde and retrograde inversions of motivic ideas, a rarity in counterpoint before the 20th century.[citation needed] The similarity of Bassano's motets to the early work of Heinrich Schütz, who studied in Venice with Gabrieli, suggests that the two may have known each other; certainly Schütz knew Bassano's music. At any rate Schütz carried the Venetian style back with him to Germany where it continued to develop into the Baroque era.[citation needed
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I'll try to take a look at Erig's introduction later today in case that is of use. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 12:45, 28 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I just can't find what I wrote this from. I don't have JSTOR from home, thanks to their idiotic policy of only servicing academics. Another possibility is I used the notes to a CD. I've already looked in the 1980 Grove. Usually I listed all my sources at the end (we didn't have a citation mechanism in 2004) but seem to have neglected one in this case. Antandrus(talk) 15:02, 28 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
By the way, that book on the Bassanos, if I remember correctly, only covers those active in England; it omits Giovanni who remained in Venice. The 1976 article by Selfridge-Field is probably the most comprehensive source (weirdly, it does not look familiar to me, which is why I think I wrote from something secondary, i.e. written from it). Also, go ahead and switch to parenthetical referencing; I don't mind; I just threw in the footnote from habit. Antandrus(talk) 15:05, 28 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for this. I'll admit I've not read the Lasocki book; my suggestion that it might be relevant here is based on hearsay. It looks to me as if the printed Grove is a source for a good deal of the "disputed" material, but that you've sometimes gone some way gone beyond it (and by the way, I don't think anyone is actually disputing any of it except for maybe the retrograde composition technique). I'll possibly try to add those parts of the stuff back in. I no longer have JSTOR at all, so can't read the S-F article anyway. I'll see if I can find her book, I know I have it somewhere. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 16:40, 28 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
No problem ... actually it turns out it's almost all from the Selfridge-Field book. When I first looked in it last night I missed that there was more than one index (I hate it when authors do that). The retrograde-retrograde inversion example is in page 64-65, and Bassano is all through the book in bits. There are a couple of essays by Paul McCreesh included as liner notes in CDs I have that mention Bassano as well. Antandrus(talk) 16:57, 28 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
