Talk:Grey Goose (vodka)
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astroturfing?
Even the talk page reads like a PR piece — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.204.187.246 (talk) 01:55, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
- The article used to be even more WP:COI than it is now, hard though that is to believe. The truth is that GG is a cynically manufactured product with no cultural history, designed to fill a market niche populated by people with more money than sense. Everything else is PR puffery. --Ef80 (talk) 13:54, 15 June 2014 (UTC)]
move page to Grey Goose (vodka)?
That would be the normal method of disambiguating the vodka from other uses of Grey Goose. JesseRafe 04:46, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
- Yep. Done. ProhibitOnions (T) 12:58, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Neutrality?
This article is pretty interesting, and the history section is informative. However, the paragraph talking about "perception of quality" seems pretty controversial, and isn't supported by the Freakanomics article cited as authority. Personally, I can taste a big difference between quality vodkas and store-brand cheapies. I'd also bet you're going to have a nasty hangover if you drink much of the cheap stuff. Thoughts?
Thoughts? My thoughts are only to wonder what your personal hangovers have to do with this article. Did a bunch of Grey Goose staff come along to edit the talk page as well as the article? Joe Garrick (talk) 09:31, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
--68.0.181.173 (talk) 05:30, 19 December 2007 (UTC) Well speaking only from personal experience, I can say that drinking GG Vodka has never resulted in a Hangover when I have followed simple pre sleep procedures (a pre-sleep stomach purge, and a pint of water before sleep). All that I tend to have is a feeling of drunkeness the following morning, but a couple of Acetamenophen/Paracetamol and Ibuprofen in the morning has staved off the effects of hangover for the afternoon. All I can say is, I know when I wake up if I drank GG or something else the night before, waking up after GG is MUCH easier!--Davyboy79 (talk) 00:09, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
My extensive personal research (inadmissible on WP of course) says that below 14 oz per day, grey goose is basically even with filtered water in terms of hangover production. 131.107.0.73 (talk) 22:22, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
At least the phrase "perception of quality" is unproblematic: My interpretation is not "The price makes the drink taste better.", but "Naive buyers automatically assume that more expensive is better.". This a an extremely wide-spread trick, which is undoubtedly effective. (Wether it is also moral is another issue: The actual correlation between price and quality tends to be highly disputable.) This deception is one of the corner-stones of the luxury industry.94.220.249.208 (talk) 07:55, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
Trivia is allowed
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NOT
There are nothing about trivia exactly there. Anything that could be connected to trivia is "Lists or repositories of loosely associated topics..." or "indiscriminate collection of information" subsections. Trivia presence on wikipedia is still in discuss.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Handling_trivia
So trivia is allowed. Furthermore these are trivias maybe for you but important information for me. This is a lifestyle product that has a very heavy impact on nightclub culture that differs it from about 99% of other vodkas and I want to know it. Can you tell what is triva or not? Probably you could cut off 4/5 of Casablanca movie article because they are trivias.--148.81.137.4 (talk) 20:25, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. Unless and until you can show, with reliable sources, that this information is notable--as in widely covered in mainstream sources--it simply does not belong. → ROUX ₪ 22:21, 9 September 2009 (UTC)]
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Wheat ; isn't it hard wheat that is best for bread? (soft for cakes) Daiyounger (talk) 14:59, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
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Company History - "Champagne limestone"
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I noticed the Company History section references "Champagne limestone" in the second paragraph, second sentence. I've never seen this particular term used before and a quick Google search appears to indicate the phrase may only be used as a color description (for tiles, paint etc.) I believe what the original author may have meant is that the water is sourced from limestone-filtered springs, similar to the limestone soil in Champagne. But the Champagne reference doesn't seem to add value to this explanation, so I'd suggest rephrasing this sentence as follows:
"The water used to produce the vodka comes from natural, limestone-filtered springs in Cognac, France while the wheat is sourced from farms in Picardy, France."[1][2]
Please let me know if anyone has thoughts on this proposed change. Thank you,
--DebateisGreat (talk) 20:40, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
References
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Requested move 20 March 2023
This discussion was listed at Wikipedia:Move review on 9 April 2023. The result of the move review was withdrawn. |
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The result of the move request was: Rough consensus to move. This was extremely difficult to determine consensus, but taking into the weight of some arguments per
The result of the move request was: No consensus as to whether the usage of "Grey Goose" to refer to grey geese is enough to muddy the waters and make impossible a primary topic. (non-admin closure) Red Slash 07:03, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
– A brief discussion above appears to have precipitated the move to the current title, with the current
- Move to Grey Goose after moving current page to Grey Goose (disambiguation). —Locke Cole • t • c 20:18, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- Added move of associated dab. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 22:57, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- Support, justified primary topic per ]
- Support Per ]
- Strong oppose Caps don't apply for species names which are often capitalised. It's a vodka. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:28, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Grey goose redirect looking for the vodka than are looking for the bird. Why are our readers less important than an article title? —Locke Cole • t • c 17:10, 21 March 2023 (UTC)]
- I'm not sure why you're being openly hostile to readers, but please stop. From the proposal I made above, you should already know that most readers are trying to get to Grey Goose (vodka), not the bird. —Locke Cole • t • c 22:47, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
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- oppose caps are used for species names regularly, also WP:DIFFCAPS is confusing—blindlynx 15:46, 21 March 2023 (UTC)]
- @WP:DIFFCAPS is confusing Why are you !voting oppose when you are confused by something used to support it? Why should people searching for the vodka article have to go through the bird article first when clearly the vodka article is the desired destination? —Locke Cole • t • c 17:10, 21 March 2023 (UTC)]
- You're right but sentence case is used per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC criteria—blindlynx 19:00, 21 March 2023 (UTC)]
- Double the number of people looking for the bird are looking for the vodka. That's a pretty big difference, especially considering none of the other pages listed at MOS:LIFE is relevant here. This is a dab page, not an article. —Locke Cole • t • c 22:47, 26 March 2023 (UTC)]
- a third of readers looking for the bird means that this page does not meet WP:PT1's criteria that this page is the one that is 'highly likely' to be sought by readers—blindlynx 19:58, 28 March 2023 (UTC)]
- a third of readers looking for the bird means that this page does not meet
- Double the number of people looking for the bird are looking for the vodka. That's a pretty big difference, especially considering none of the other pages listed at
- You're right but sentence case is used per
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- Oppose. The current situation is fine. Names of animal species are very often capitalised, so this is incredibly poor disambiguation. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:20, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose per Blindlynx, especially considering most, if not all, of the species names had their article titles capitalized until its respective guideline was changed a few years back. Steel1943 (talk) 17:37, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
- Comment I'm genuinely sorry to the folks who WP:LOCALCON and I hope the closer will consider the general weakness of arguments in opposition during the close. The data is quite clear, at a nearly 2:1 ratio, readers are trying to get to the vodka article, not the bird. None of the other articles at Grey Goose even register in the WikiNav data as being a probable target. —Locke Cole • t • c 22:47, 26 March 2023 (UTC)]
- Support. While there is still some extant guidance (e.g. ]
- Relisting comment: Relist to allow addition discussion of whether the vodka is primary for Grey goose BilledMammal (talk) 22:49, 29 March 2023 (UTC)]
Requested move 10 April 2023
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The result of the move request was: Withdrawn —Locke Cole • t • c 15:20, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
– A brief discussion above appears to have precipitated the move to the current title, with the current
- The above move discussion was initially closed as move, but the technical request to move was opposed, and in the span of a few hours one of the opposers above and another uninvolved editor managed to convince the initial closer to withdraw their close. The close above represents yet another close, and is the result of what I feel to be clear forum shopping. —Locke Cole • t • c 16:12, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose We just had this discussion, and after a move review, "no consensus" was the outcome. 162 etc. (talk) 16:36, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
- So just to be clear, the closer should ignore your !vote since you're apparently no longer basing your opinion on ]
- I'm basing my opinion on ]
- WP:THREEOUTCOMES says]
While it is usually bad form to re-request a move if consensus is found against it (until and unless circumstances change), it is not considered bad form to re-raise a request that found "no consensus" to move
. You ask me to AGF, then cite a page that says the opposite of what you're claiming. I guess it does say that "successful re-requests" occur after three months, but that's less a formality and more an observation... —Locke Cole • t • c 16:16, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
- I'm basing my opinion on ]
- So just to be clear, the closer should ignore your !vote since you're apparently no longer basing your opinion on ]
- I suggest a speedy close. The previous RM just ended and further discussion is unlikely to be productive based on the arguments presented by both sides at this time. The nominator has already gone to move review, where uninvolved editors considered the nominator's objections and endorsed the no consensus closure. Now the nominator makes the exact same argument as the previous RM and the same argument as the move review. Adumbrativus (talk) 17:46, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
- Support per WP:NCFAUNACAPS does not say anything about 'Grey Goose' vs 'grey goose'. There's no "strong ambiguity" or any ambiguity whatsoever with regard to the animal name. Grey goose is not a "breed name", and doesn't have a "formal name" as a breed. The correct spelling is 'grey goose'. I suggest that the discussion continue. This is too close to being decidable to sit for months or be forgotten. I disagree with Locke Cole about alleged forum shopping, but instead of discussing process further, let's bring this to an actual close on the merits. —Alalch E. 18:28, 10 April 2023 (UTC)]
- I'll note that I actually supported the move the first time. What I don't support is when an editor makes an RM proposal, it fails, and then goes immediately back to RM. Speedy close, per above. 162 etc. (talk) 18:32, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
- The editor has strongly held procedural objections that are difficult to untangle so to be able to definitively settle the matter of process. Instead of settling process, since we're at 'no consensus' let's settle the merits of the proposal, and bypass the whole uncomfortable thing by getting to consensus because it's that close. If the result was 'moved' or 'not moved', I'd agree. —Alalch E. 18:39, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
- I also support the nominator's request for admin closure. —Alalch E. 18:43, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
- I'll note that I actually supported the move the first time. What I don't support is when an editor makes an RM proposal, it fails, and then goes immediately back to RM. Speedy close, per above. 162 etc. (talk) 18:32, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
- close You realize that raising this is multiple places and a second time here hoping for a different result is forum shopping right—blindlynx 18:50, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
- No, that was following the process and being respectful. Apparently that made the second closer unhappy, and annoyed some people. Personally, I'm more pissed off that I waited almost a fucking month for this to be closed, just to see it turn into a shitshow in the last fucking hours. But, you know.. me following the process is "forum shopping", but opposers of the above RM swooping in to oppose the uncontroversial request by the first closer was apparently hunky dorey to you. —Locke Cole • t • c 22:29, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
- Self-reverts and self-strikes are a normal part of editing and personally i prefer not to challenge closures. It just seems a touch hypocritical bringing up forum shopping and posting all over the place about this move—blindlynx 01:53, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
- No, that was following the process and being respectful. Apparently that made the second closer unhappy, and annoyed some people. Personally, I'm more pissed off that I waited almost a fucking month for this to be closed, just to see it turn into a shitshow in the last fucking hours. But, you know.. me following the process is "forum shopping", but opposers of the above RM swooping in to oppose the uncontroversial request by the first closer was apparently hunky dorey to you. —Locke Cole • t • c 22:29, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose and Close. We've already had this discussion. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:33, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
- Speedy close. Too soon after the last one. Steel1943 (talk) 12:25, 11 April 2023 (UTC)