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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 January 2023 (2)

2.5.2023 Finland, Apilas is 112mm and its name is 112 Apilas. Amount is unknown, not 112. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cahlstrand (talk • contribs) 20:22, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Add the additional support packages from Sweden.

16 November: Air-defence system and ammunition for another type of air-defence system, winter equipment and body armour. 720 million SEK in humanitarian support to be shared by both Ukraine and Moldova

19 January: Up to 50 CV90, unknown number of Archer artillery systems & NLAW ATGM

Sources: https://www.regeringen.se/artiklar/2022/11/regeringen-skickar-rekordstort-stodpaket-till-ukraina/

https://www.politico.eu/article/sweden-to-send-archer-artillery-to-ukraine-war-russia/ User20104 (talk) 17:13, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Question: Hi, thanks for your suggestion! Sorry for the delay in getting back to you, there's been a lot of requests to get through. Is this data still up-to-date? Actualcpscm (talk) 12:29, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Notes

Get rid of the notes section since Kosovo has no relevance in this page. Filipisepic (talk) 22:03, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Military aid to be added for Denmark.

Please add the following for Denmark under financial aid:


• DKK 1.7 billion (€230 million) worth of lethal and non-lethal military aid including: air defense procurement, armored recovery and engineering vehicles, AVLB's, mine-clearing line charges and vehicles, ammunition to mortars and Carl Gustaf recoilless rifles, and NVG's.

• €50 million to NATO for non-lethal equipment to Ukraine such as: first aid equipment, fuel, and field rations etc.

Sources for said donations:

Reuters (in english but no specifics)

The Danish Ministry of Defense (in Danish but has more specifics)

Borisskoit (talk) 14:20, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Borysk5 (talk) 19:52, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Restructuring Suggestion

The main list is currently structured on a country-by-country aid basis. This limits the usability of the data. The aid is most frequently coordinated between countries, and in most cases certain aid package is meant to be used in conjunction with aid from other countries. Thus, the current "by country" fixed arrangement makes little sense beyond a patriotic boost for the countries included.

I suggest that the main data in the article is restructured as part of a sortable table. The table can be sortable by country, by equipment group, by specific type of equipment, and by date of delivery. I would be happy to help with the process.Lilcho72 (talk) 06:27, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not all of equipment can be sorted that way... Maybe heavy weapons, but training, intelligence, unspecified aid, different models of mortars, rifles would be difficult to be made into table... Borysk5 (talk) 09:54, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Rifles and mortars could be given in a table form similar to how they are given in the List of equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
A separate table (with different columns) could be set up for other types of aid, such as intangible aid (training, intelligence, financial).Lilcho72 (talk) 12:46, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The article you added already lists by type of equipment, wouldn't that be just doubling the article? Now it serves different purpose with added ability of differentiating by country. Borysk5 (talk) 15:25, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Financial Aid by Germany

I read in this Wiki article :

"Financial aid

  • €1.83 billion in bilateral aid since 2014.
  • Approx. €4 billion via the EU in the form of grants and loans since 2014.
  • €240 million via the EU in loans in 2022."

All of these 3 informations lack the information "until 12.02.2022". See the source there.

The source also says that Ukraine got loans over 350 Mio. € from Germany until 12.02.2022 (to that time, Ukraine could get loans over 150 Mio. € more from Germany, so in total 500 Mio. €).

That "Financial aid" part seems to be out dated anyways ... --2003:E5:771E:1A1:E915:DF45:6E84:124A (talk) 21:32, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nazi salute image?

Refers to the image added by @Cimmerian praetor in the revision 11462329550, since 23 March 2023, that seemingly depicts or rather strongly suggests, respectively, an Ukrainian soldier performing a Nazi salute – furthermore, the only image in the article besides the map and which, too, is nowhere else used on Wikipedia [besides French special page].

  1. What is the purpose of using precisely this image there?
  2. Is the source trustworthy?
  3. Is it really informative and objective or just suggestive or, at least, misleading?

David Schopenhauer (talk) 07:21, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

1. It is not a nazi salute, it doesn't look like one, and I've never seen a nazi salute performed in this way. The soldier is clearlz pointing in the direction that the salvo is being shot at. It is a picture of RM 70 firing, which all have been donated from the Czech Republic, and one particular piece was crowdfunded, which is why that picture is next to the part talking about Czech crodwfunded weapons.
2. I consider Ministry of Defense of Ukraine trustworthy.
3. Sorry, but you are seeing things that are not there. It is informative and objective picture accompanying information about RM 70 being crowdfunded.
I agree a couple more pictures of crowdfunded / donated equipment would be good on the page. Cimmerian praetor (talk) 13:33, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Well, after reassessing the file, @you are probably right. But, even then, its usage is inappropriate here (WP), since being promotional, partisan, ambiguous, emotionally charged, and distract from the actual information.
  1. Obviously, I haven't recognized it correctly. I.a., due to manipulated hue and gamma of the image, the rotation of his arm isn't apparent. Or will it for everybody else? Methodological: Considering omnipresent misinformation campaigns, could it be abused for allegedly showing such?
  2. That source isn't said ministry, but some particular profile whose authenticity isn't trivial (to me). Moreover, such source is all but a neutral observer.
  3. Hence, again: Is it really objective? Is this depiction neutral, ergo, sufficiently suitable for encyclopedic use? (If including the soldier and gesture.)
David Schopenhauer (talk) 10:54, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree with you, but nevertheless I don't want to waste the time of either of us and so I replaced it with a different picture of the RM 70.
At the same time, thank you for your manners and bringing it to the talk page instead of simply deleting it, as many other users would do.
Have a nice day. Cimmerian praetor (talk) 11:07, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"France was the largest arms exporter to Ukraine between 2014 and 2020".

This is a list of aid, so why has someone suddenly mixed arms export into the matter? Solbaertaerte (talk) 08:12, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Dutch Patriot SAM Launchers

The Netherlands already delivered the 2 Patriot SAM launchers last month (in April), according to Oryx (the source of the list of military equipment the Dutch sent to Ukraine). May someone please change the words “to be delivered” to “April 2023”? Maximations (talk) 15:59, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Done ARandomName123 (talk) 20:55, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 26 May 2023

1. Under the Companies section:

SpaceX is listed as donating StarLinks, but according to https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/spacex-curbed-ukraines-use-starlink-internet-drones-company-president-2023-02-09/ these were not meant as military, but humanitarian, aid. SpaceX claims to have enforced their use to solely humanitarian.

Philip Morris is listed as having donated 500 000 cigarettes. Cigarettes are not military aid.

Amazon is listed as having "Pledged $10 million in aid; using its logistics capability for supplies and cybersecurity expertise.", which also is not military aid.

Please remove them from the list.

2. In the map, several islands that belong to countries that have given aid are grey. Among these, some have a sort of self-governance. A majority don't have military forces or equipment of their own though, and if they do they are part of their country's forces. Military issues are handled at a national level. They should be marked according to their donor countries' aid.

Some examples: The Faroe Islands (Denmark), The Falkland Islands (United Kingdom), New Caledonia (France), Puerto Rico (United States), British Virgin Islands (United Kingdom), Guadeloupe (France), Dutch Caribbean (The Netherlands), and Cayman Islands (United Kingdom).

/2023-05-26 94.255.240.124 (talk) 02:20, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ad 1: While SpaceX limited their use ind drone's, troops stil use Starlink for communicating which article mentions. Borysk5 (talk) 07:07, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit extended-protected}} template. -Lemonaka 22:37, 28 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Did you miss Amazon and Philip Morris?
SpaceX: It still is not military aid.
It seems likely those three companies are added to give them credit, not to list donors of _military_ aid.
I don't know how to arrange to reach a vote on Wikipedia, but that method seems good. 94.255.240.124 (talk) 07:00, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Using Starlink for troops to communicate is definietly a military aid, even if they don't want to call it that way. Borysk5 (talk) 13:16, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 26 May 2023 (2)

Please update the Canada section of the main table to include the latest Canadian military pledge announced on 25 May 2023, consisting of 43 AIM-9 Sidewinder air-to-air missiles for Ukraine.

the source is an announcement on the Canadian government website: https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/news/2023/05/defence-minister-anita-anand-announces-military-aid-for-ukraine-at-the-twelfth-meeting-of-the-ukraine-defense-contact-group.html

Thank you for your time. Panzerpampfpony (talk) 18:01, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Borysk5 (talk) 11:15, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 May 2023

Please modify the Austria section of the main table to include the most recent aid announced on the 27th May consisting of €2 million euros from their Foreign Ministry's Foreign Disaster Fund to the International Trust Fund for the purchase of demining equipment for Ukraine.

Source is the Austrian government website. https://www.bmeia.gv.at/ministerium/presse/aktuelles/2023/05/oesterreich-finanziert-entminungsgeraet-fuer-die-ukraine-im-wert-von-2-millionen-euro/

If this aid is deemed more appropriate for the humanitarian aid article I will add it to that table instead.

Thank you for your time. Panzerpampfpony (talk) 17:10, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Borysk5 (talk) 18:48, 2 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Article needs to be repaired

We need volunteers to repair the damage caused by Uwdwadafsainainawinfi after this editor's copyright violations and removing properly sourced contents. At the same time, we need to preserve new military aid announcements from the past few weeks. Anyone interested? OhanaUnitedTalk page 13:13, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Finished cleaning up Spain's copyright violation contents added by Uwdwadafsainainawinfi (who is now permanently blocked). I need assistance for other countries as Spain cleanup alone took me more than 30 mins (and Spain didn't donate a lot). If you cleaned up a country, please note it here to avoid duplication of effort. OhanaUnitedTalk page 03:46, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Australia was cleaned up by Melbguy05. OhanaUnitedTalk page 04:05, 28 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Country sections that need repair:

  • Australia
  • Canada
  • Denmark (partially repaired)
  • Finland
  • Germany
  • Italy
  • Japan
  • Lithuania
  • Luxembourg
  • Montenegro
  • Netherlands
  • Norway (partially repaired)
  • Poland (partially repaired)
  • Slovakia
  • Spain
  • Sweden

OhanaUnitedTalk page 00:42, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've updated list today based on repair status. OhanaUnitedTalk page 04:01, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Where did Switzerland go?|

I can't find them. Did they not send anything? Not even helmets or vests? 2A01:799:1B9B:C300:B87E:8763:BE40:EAC2 (talk) 23:24, 2 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Switzerland was never on the list, as far as I know. Borysk5 (talk) 06:33, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Switzerland trains Ukrainian deminers. Source - Swissinfo--Artemis Dread (talk) 20:44, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Switzerland is on the humanitarian aid list. --Ancheta Wis   (talk | contribs) 02:44, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Egypt and Serbia

Do Serbia and Egypt supply or have previously supplied arms to Ukraine? I read that both of these countries are supposed to deliver but I don't know if it's true. What about them? Know anything? Adijos08 (talk) 08:20, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Egypt is mentioned in the Pentagon leaks as selling shells to Ukraine via Western countries. However besides the leak there's no proof it actually happened. When it comes to Serbia, Canada bought Grad rockets from Serbia company and gave them to Ukraine (which is mentioned on the page). However there's no proof Serbian government knew about it or was involved so i didn't add it for Serbia. Borysk5 (talk) 14:37, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 June 2023

Please modify the Canada section of the main table to include the most recent military aid pledged to Ukraine consisting of contributions to training of Ukrainian pilots on western jet aircraft, 10,000 105mm artillery shells and 288 AIM-7 missiles, not 287 as stated in the table.

Source is a official statement on the website of the Canadian Prime Minister.

https://pm.gc.ca/en/news/news-releases/2023/06/10/prime-minister-visits-kyiv-ukraine

Thank you for your time. Panzerpampfpony (talk) 04:00, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Borysk5 (talk) 06:06, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Panzerpampfpony Are you interested in receiving extended-confirmed permission so that you can directly edit the article instead of posting in the talk page and wait for someone to edit it for you? OhanaUnitedTalk page 19:47, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That would be very convenient yes, I would make sure to properly format and cite any new information regarding military aid to Ukraine. Thank you for your trust in this matter. Panzerpampfpony (talk) 00:56, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Panzerpampfpony Granted. Cheers. OhanaUnitedTalk page 01:21, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Request to add donations to Denmark

Please add the following for Denmark:


-Training of Ukrainian fighter pilots on F-16s (starting this August).

https://www.reuters.com/article/ukraine-crisis-denmark-f16/denmark-to-propose-august-start-of-ukraine-f-16-pilot-training-ritzau-news-agency-idUSKBN2XZ1MT


-Denmark also recently donated another 9000 artillery shells in cooperation with Norway.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/norway-denmark-donate-9000-rounds-artillery-ukraine-2023-06-15/ Bormscrop (talk) 09:46, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Borysk5 (talk) 18:45, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]


Denmark has also shipped AT4s.

https://www.armyrecognition.com/defense_news_april_2022_global_security_army_industry/denmark_has_delivered_at4cs_man-portable_anti-tank_weapons_to_ukraine.html

Are the aids free of charge?

It would be interesting to see whether Ukraine has to pay for the weapons they receive from each country. To my knowledge, the US signed a Land Lease with Ukraine, meaning, Ukraine will have to pay back for the help provided by the US.

https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3025302/biden-signs-lend-lease-act-to-supply-more-security-assistance-to-ukraine/ Nakonana (talk) 18:04, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It depends. Some countries donated the materials, some purchased materials on behalf of Ukraine. 331dot (talk) 18:06, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think it would be nice to have a column in the table that provide information on this. I was curious about this question and came to this article in hopes that it would have a handy overview. Nakonana (talk) 10:46, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Quite the opposite, none of the weapons for Ukraine from U.S. are land lease. It's all free: [1]. However this list does contain equipment that was purchased by one country from another and given to Ukraine. Borysk5 (talk) 18:41, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Now that's interesting. I'm absolutely no expert on the topic, that's why I asked. I've read that things must be paid back one way or the other. So, it might be really helpful if that kind of information would be reflected somewhere in the article. Here are some sources that speak about repayment (not sure about the reliability of the sources, though):
https://thegeopolitics.com/myths-over-ukraine-military-aid-how-the-lend-lease-works/
https://www.geopoliticalmonitor.com/ukraine-war-dispelling-popular-lend-lease-myths/
Given the domain names of these two, I have to wonder whether there's a link between them.
And then there's also the Wikipedia article on the lend lease that cites the text of the lease:
"Any loan or lease of defense articles to the Government of Ukraine under paragraph (1) shall be subject to all applicable laws concerning the return of and reimbursement and repayment for defense articles loan or leased to foreign governments."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_Democracy_Defense_Lend-Lease_Act_of_2022
So, now I'm confused. Is it just that weapons from the US are free of charge while other types of aid are not? Or what exactly is it that needs to be paid back (if anything needs to be paid back at all)?
It would also be interesting to see that kind of information on the aid of other countries. I only brought up the US as an example because I heard about the lend lease. I also heard that some countries don't ask for repayments, but I don't know which countries. Nakonana (talk) 10:59, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Everything military the US has given so far has been under the PDA (Presidential Drawdown Authority) or USAI (Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative) mechanisms. Lend-lease exists but hasn't been used yet. It seems the Biden administation is keeping the Lend-lease mechanism in reserve in case Congress is unwilling to authorize and appropriate additional funds for Ukraine - because Lend-lease is a loan, not a gift, it doesn't need funding from Congress - just renewal. 82.194.220.91 (talk) 10:04, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A list needs to be made for the opposite side

Why are country's support to the other side not listed and documented such as Iran and North Korea. They're mentioned in various articles, but no specific list exists for documenting the details. Sylvester Millner (talk) 21:01, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Not relevant and unsourced"

"Most of the South American, African and Asian countries (or roughly the 75% of wolrd countries) haven't provided any military aid to Ukraine." [2]

How isn't it relevant? It's utterly relevant to state that only around 25% of countries provided military aid, despite all the pressure by West. The position of the 75% of countries on Earth is irrelevant? Unsourced? It's inferred from the information, no source needed.

While the West add fuel to the fire, a whole continent like Africa prefers to be neutral and contribute to peace, peace plan and mediation efforts aren't even mentioned in this article or in Peace negotiations in the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

Then we have to read how Wikipedia talk a lot about the Global South and to do many activities in those countries, while in practice any position that is out of the West mindset is ignored.

emijrp (talk) 19:39, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply
]

Please keep your personal opinions about the "West" off the Talk Pages, and discuss Reliable Sources to improve the article. Your own view is less than useless here. HammerFilmFan (talk) 14:58, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@
using the talk page as a forum/sopabox that was correctly removed by an IP. OhanaUnitedTalk page 06:03, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
The reason I restored the comment was that I came across it in the course of combing said IP's long contrib list for bad behavior after noticing a pattern of them systematically erasing talk page posts, some of which, in my view, fell, at worst, in a gray area. The IP has demonstrated a familiarity with WP protocols that on some points is more extensive than my own, yet consistently has chosen boldness instead of caution re:
WP:TALKO
in the course of a larger pattern of serious civility issues, 3RR violations (in one case a hardened editor well-known for controversy intentionally spared them when reporting an edit war at ANI on the clearly irrelevant grounds that IP was more correct about the content), and other egregious behaviors flagrantly inconsistent with encyclopedic courtesy.
Yes, this IP has, not infrequently, been shown to have been technically correct on the points of the matter they dispute. However, if they were a logged in user and/or not acting from a POV that the editing population happens to be highly sympathetic to, they would probably have long since acquired a reputation and perhaps also a block log.
In my edit summary I wrote (emphasis added): "unless tp guidelines have been unambiguously violated, POV-motivated habitual suppression of others’ views is unacceptable".
The thinking behind my evaluation of Emijrp's message was that although I didn't necessarily agree wholly, they hardly appeared to be acting in a way that warranted erasure. Particularly as the issue of viewpoints other than that of the editing population not being given
WP:DUE
weight is a very serious one that absolutely needs to be aired.
If you want, as you put it, Reliable Sources, I can fish out an article from the Ugandan Independent that I came across last week, for starters.
I base such decisions on the typical practices at TPs such as Talk:Russian invasion of Ukraine, where AGF posters are typically either given a succinct, calm response, or ignored.
This sort of hair-trigger erasure can quickly become an extremely deplorable habit and should be avoided as a matter of principle lest it become a practice or, heaven forbid, a norm.
If others disagree with the general problem re: the Western vs. Global South viewpoint, I'd respectfully ask them to try zooming out a bit and flying around with the camera. There are many methods of doing this, ranging from
astral travel. For example, have a look at this issue that I fixed here
, which was accepted by the many watchers of that page and even thanked by one of them.
Or, for a particularly stark example, have a gander at the differences between WP's verbose treatment of the Ukrainian refugee crisis (2022–present), complete with pathos-laden topline image of an adorable little blond girl, and its coverage of some other comparable and/or concurrent refugee crises, such as the one resulting from the Tigray War.
Also, as far as I'm aware, Emijrp has little history of controversy before recent and occasional RUSUKR edits regarding
possible issues of a large-scale Anglosphere POV
.
I also think it's interesting that the first response, later characterized by a third editor as "feeding the troll", was a bit uncivil itself 🤔
That's why I did that.
Cheers, RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 08:54, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Your edit summary said "Manually rv..." which means you had read through the content and did not agree with the IP's removal at that time. I'm not sure if you checked the article history, which Emijrp added (without sources) and also reverted by another registered editor. I think you can read the room on that matter. Remember that
IP editors are human too. OhanaUnitedTalk page 13:42, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
I actually had not had a look at the article history at that point.
The edit was obviously problematic (for one thing, it looks to have been inserted in the wrong place in the article) but what I'm seeing is that a highly experienced editor made an edit that someone else (understandably) didn't agree with and then the first editor started a BRD discussion. Out of all the responses that they could have gotten, the one they receive is… Your own view is less than useless here. followed by a second editor referring to them (in the third person) as a troll.
When I restored the comment, I was unaware that it was a BRD post. (Probably my reading comprehension had been reduced by sleep issues.)
To quote a friend of mine, "Like, seriously, what the f**k?"
Regarding the personhood of IP, I see them as essentially a somewhat experienced editor (given their edit count and extensive familiarity with WP namespace), and believe they should be held accountable as such for their systematically obnoxious behavior.
Honestly, I'm not interested in contesting the article content as I don't choose to have anything to do with it, at least for now. But what I'm seeing is that one thing Emijrp seems to have a point about is that in practice any position that is out of the West mindset is ignored (contra
WP:BIAS
, although I'd have preferred them to state it more clearly and in less directly confrontational terms.
Of course the intersection of
WP:BIAS with high-profile controversies is bound to arouse a gamut of reactions from editors. Hell, looking at some of the comments major contributors to the article routinely make at Talk:Russian invasion of Ukraine
, you can see how contentious topics can easily induce tunnel vision about WP guidelines.
Maybe try pretending all this happened 150 years ago? RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 21:03, 10 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Talk page references

38 - number of AMX-10 given to Ukraine

In a interview, the french senator Philippe Folliot that goes on Ukraine for NATO missions, said that Ukranian force told him they received 38 AMX-10 (without confirming the exact version, other sources and pictures show the RCR version) Is that enough of a source to clarify the numbers ? He also said they are delivered, not just promised. Here's the link of the interview, in french.

https://www.francetvinfo.fr/monde/europe/manifestations-en-ukraine/guerre-en-ukraine-la-grande-contre-offensive-n-est-pas-encore-engagee-declare-le-senateur-centriste-philippe-folliot-apres-s-etre-rendu-pres-du-front_5942027.html 178.23.152.132 (talk) 07:09, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Number of Krab SPGs in Ukraine

The number of the Krab SPGs donated by Poland to Ukraine is too low - it states only 1 battalion (18 vehicles), where we know from Oleksii Reznikov that at least 3 battalions (54 vehicles) were delivered. Here's the video from the conference in Rammstein where Reznikov says that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw2OnEkr_Do&t=550s. Olekz17 (talk) 20:37, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request

Replace the image at the top of the article with https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ukraine_Defense_Contact_Group.svg, an SVG file of the same information (it is named for the Ukraine Defense Contact Group, but also includes other countries independently offering Ukraine military aid).

Discombobulates (talk) 09:52, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Question: when did Tunisia and Liberia offer military aid to Ukraine? M.Bitton (talk) 12:13, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know. They're part of the group coordinating military aid. But I don't know if they have provided any or not. Discombobulates (talk) 14:37, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done: Merely shows countries that have attended UDCG, which coordinates donation of military aid. Does not show whether those countries have themselves donated aid. Ex. see countries from M.Bitton. ARandomName123 (talk) 18:49, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Updated aid from US

Number of Strykers, at least, up to 189 https://media.defense.gov/2023/Jul/25/2003267256/-1/-1/0/UKRAINE-FACT-SHEET.PDF Hewn Beam (talk) 16:15, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edited request

Replace the image at the top of the article with https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Delivering_military_aid_to_Ukraine_-_detailed.svg, an SVG file of the exact same information.

A legend is also required:

  Delivered heavy weapons to Ukraine
  Delivered light weapons or ammunition to Ukraine
  Delivered non-lethal material military aid to Ukraine
  Delivered non-material military aid to Ukraine
  Ukraine

Reasoning for this change: an SVG is much easier to update. It can be done by anyone. Additionally, it can manipulated or exported to any format and at any resolution.

Discombobulates (talk) 19:04, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Done WelpThatWorked (talk) 20:58, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Request for addition to Iceland entry.

Iceland will donate a mobile field hospital capable of treating 100 wounded soldiers. Delivery is expected in late 2023 (they take ~ 6 months to build). Reference: https://www.icelandreview.com/news/iceland-donates-field-hospital-to-ukraine/ Björn Ragnar Björnsson (talk) 21:50, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Panzerpampfpony (talk) 02:31, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Request for addition for Ireland

Sentence "30 Irish soldiers will participate in training of Ukrainian Armed Forces in demining and clearing ordnance [From May 2023 onwards]." should be updated to reflect that the training includes basic weapons training and leadership.

I suggest rewording as "30 Irish soldiers will participate in training of Ukrainian Armed Forces in basic military skills, leadership training, drill instructor training, combat medicine, demining and explosive disposal. [From Apr 2023 onwards]"

The training is from April and not May. In Apr, mine clearance training was provided in Cyprus. In Jun, combat medic training provided to 51 Ukrainian soldiers in Germany.

I attach the following articles https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3751236-ireland-to-provide-training-for-ukrainian-military.html https://www.rte.ie/news/2023/0820/1400682-neutrality/ https://www.thejournal.ie/ukraine-army-training-irish-defence-forces-neutrality-6146360-Aug2023/ https://www.thejournal.ie/irish-troops-eu-ukraine-eumam-6000801-Feb2023/ https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2023/08/18/irish-troops-to-provide-weapons-training-to-ukraine-despite-governments-non-lethal-assistance-pledge/ https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2023/07/11/irish-combat-medics-return-from-training-ukrainian-troops-in-germany/

The two Irish Times articles refer to mine clearance equipment. Ireland has two Aardvark mine clearance vehicles which it is considering sending. Perhaps add a "Engineering equipment" section to mention this. Finestat (talk) 18:23, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Finestat Done Panzerpampfpony (talk) 19:52, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Panzerpampfpony: The edit you did that in also contained broken <a> tags that tried to link to two people's "profiles" but ended up just breaking the whole citation. 2603:8001:4542:28FB:4C89:6F75:861F:2F97 (talk) 01:57, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-protected edit request (August 23, 2023)


  • What I think should be changed (format using {{
    textdiff
    }})    : Bulgaria's contribution to delivering arms to Ukraine
  • Why it should be changed: Provide more accurate information

Jet Aircraft 

14 Su-25s* [April 2022] (Purchased from Bulgaria by a NATO member state and delivered to Ukraine)

Tanks 

T-72M1s* [Before May 2022] (Purchased by Czechia from Bulgaria and delivered to Ukraine)

Multiple Rocket Launchers 

122mm BM-21 Grads* [May or June 2022] (Purchased by Czechia from Bulgaria and delivered to Ukraine)

Self-Propelled Artillery 

122mm 2S1 Gvozdikas* [2022] (Purchased by a NATO member state from Bulgaria and delivered to Ukraine)

Towed Artillery 

152mm D-20s* [April 2022] (Purchased by Czechia from Bulgaria and delivered to Ukraine)

Mortars 

60mm M60CMA Commando Mortars* [Before August 2022]

Armoured Personnel Carriers 

100 BTR-60PBs [To be delivered]

Anti-Tank Guided Missiles 

9M111MFB-1 Faktorias* [Before August 2022]

Portable Anti-Tank Weaponry 

DRTG-73 Rocket Propelled Grenade Launchers* [Before April 2022]
ATGL-L Rocket Propelled Grenade Launchers* [Before November 2022]
BULSPIKE-AT Rocket Propelled Grenade Launchers* [Summer 2022]
Warrior SPG-9 Recoilless Rifles* [Before June 2022]

Small Arms 

1460+ MG-1M General-Purpose Machine Guns (GPMGs)* [Before April 2022]

Ammunition 

7.62x54mmR Small Arms Rounds* [Before April 2023]
GHO-2 HE Hand Grenades* [Before February 2023]
OGi-7MA AP-FRAG Rocket Propelled Grenades* [Before August 2022]
PG-7VT Tandem Charge HEAT Rocket Propelled Grenades* [Before December 2022]
RTB-7MA Thermobaric Rocket Propelled Grenades* [Before February 2022]
OG-9M HE Fragmentation Recoilless Rifle Grenades* [Before May 2023]
30mm VOG-17M Grenades For Automatic Grenade Launchers* [Before June 2022]
60mm HE60 MA Mortar Rounds* [Before August 2022]
82mm HE82M Mortar Rounds* [Before February 2023]
80mm ARS-8KOM Unguided Rockets* [Before April 2023]
100mm 3UBK2 HEAT FRAG Anti-Tank Rounds* [Before July 2022]
120mm HE120M Mortar Rounds* [Before August 2022]
122mm Artillery Rounds* [Since July 2022]
152mm Artillery Rounds* [Since April 2022]
155mm Artillery Rounds* [Since March 2023]
122mm Rockets* [Since July 2022]

Military Gear 

2000 Helmets [2022]
2000 Bulletproof Vests [2022]
5000 Sets Of Winter Clothing [Late 2022]
5000 Pairs Of Winter Boots [Late 2022]
350 Medical Kits [Late 2022]

Miscellaneous Items 

Huge Quantities of Diesel* [Since April 2022]

Technical Support 

Repairing Ukrainian Armoured Vehicles And Equipment [Since May 2022]

Training 

The Deployment Of 50 Bulgarian Army Soldiers To Train Ukrainian Soldiers [2023]
The Training Of Of 60 Ukrainian Combat Medics Annually [Since 2023]

Swiftyhappy (talk) 08:01, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Adding section header. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 05:08, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Deactivating edit request as it's been pending for more than a month and hence it's clear none of the people patrolling this queue are willing to implement it. If some talk pages watcher wants to do so, feel free. * Pppery * it has begun... 21:44, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 September 2023

Please add a running total to the dollar-amounts. That would make this article MUCH more useful. 199.101.177.19 (talk) 22:34, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 05:11, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested addition to Belgium

150 of the 240 Volvo Fassi N10 trucks have been delivered from Belgium. This article cites parliamentary documents saying that some of the 80 Iveco LMVs have also been delivered, but not all of them: https://www.forcesoperations.com/en-belgique-falcon-et-buffalo-succedent-aux-vehicules-donnes-a-lukraine/ 82.194.220.91 (talk) 16:34, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Mixing of sovereing and crowdfunded aid

I see that recently El Roih made a lot of changes to the article, some of which include mixing sovereign aid and crowdfunded aid.

Is mixing of sovereign aid and crowdfuded campaigns the new norm for the article? Cimmerian praetor (talk) 07:47, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 October 2023

To change the number of Leopard 2's sent to Ukraine as it is incorrect. Sgtnugg (talk) 17:12, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Change it to what? According to what source? * Pppery * it has begun... 21:44, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 8 October 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Close as no consensus. Discussion fizzled out. No additional participants in the conversation despite multiple relisting. OhanaUnitedTalk page 03:22, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

List of military aid to Ukraine during the Russo-Ukrainian War → Military aid to Ukraine during the Russo-Ukrainian War – The current list format is limiting. The article itself has to try working around it (see section "Military aid planning"). It would make much more sense to write a mostly prose article with lists added in as needed. HappyWith (talk) 19:53, 8 October 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Jenks24 (talk) 09:36, 25 October 2023 (UTC) — Relisting.  — Amakuru (talk) 17:12, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You would lose a vast majority of the information if you altered the formatting of the article so radically. Some of the national aid efforts is either to numerous or small for a non list summarisation to be viable or necessary, The US and Colombia as respective examples. I believe the change being proposed would be a massive misstep for the preservation of information. A separate article on the chronology of foreign aid being approved and the political situations which has allowed and constrained the donation of military aid makes more sense and wouldn't be at the expense of the information in the current article. Panzerpampfpony (talk) 03:24, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Then would a
WP:SPLIT be better? HappyWith (talk) 18:34, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply
]
It would depend, I believe there should absolutely be an exhaustive list of every nation's military aid to Ukraine, having the US, German, Australian etc contributions be on different articles makes no sense. Panzerpampfpony (talk) 20:35, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Request for addition to Belgium

Belgium will donate an unknown number of f-16 to Ukraine with first deliveries starting around 2025. Sources:

Belgian source (in dutch):

Belgium also helps with training Ukrainian pilots and is in the fighter jet coalition. Waffely (talk) 08:50, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done @Waffely Panzerpampfpony (talk) 23:30, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Request to add Argentina

Argentina will donate two helicopters under the new administration of Javier Milei.

Source in Spanish: (here) 190.246.97.81 (talk) 12:11, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Argentina donated two helicopters Mi-171E helicopters to Ukraine

https://www.scramble.nl/military-news/argentina-donates-two-mi-171e-to-ukraine Wikipediow (talk) 12:37, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Added. Thanks. OhanaUnitedTalk page 19:14, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 28 January 2024

The companies section is a little misleading. First of all, Spacex did not support Ukraine out of goodwill, but received federal funds from the United States. Spacex under Elon Musk also sabotaged multiple Ukrainian missions, which also resulted in personnel loss. 103.210.202.135 (talk) 15:24, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a
"change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 15:28, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply
]

EU Aid Typo

Last line in EU Aid is suppoesed to read 225 million€ not 225€ ShotKotaner (talk) 18:16, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

done. Panzerpampfpony (talk) 01:23, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ecuador

Ecuador will donate 9K33 Osa.

Source in Spanish: (here) Artemis Dread (talk) 19:51, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Typo UK monetary aid

The figure provided for the amount of monetary aid donated by the UK is missing a qualifier (e.g. billion). Merxa (talk) 19:06, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Serhiy Prytula Charity Foundation

They did crowd funding in the UK to buy 101 tracked armored British vehicles, and I don't think I see it listed. It also doesn't list exactly how much of which, just that they're all from the CVR(T) family, and the total number. And the last update I can find says that 24 were delivered last year, but not anything more recent. Source. Harizotoh9 (talk) 21:25, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Demining Equipment from Ireland

Please add the following section to Ireland

Engineering vehicles

  • 2 DOK-ING MV-4 remote controlled mine clearance vehicles [February 2024].


See the following media articles for references

https://www.rte.ie/news/2024/0226/1434407-taoiseach-paris/

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/irish-defence-forces-providing-vital-equipment-and-training-to-help-ukrainian-troops-clear-mines/a656377779.html Finestat (talk) 18:27, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done Panzerpampfpony (talk) 19:15, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 March 2024

The French ministry of the armed forces have published an official list (link to the list : https://www.defense.gouv.fr/en/news/french-military-equipment-delivered-ukraine ) of military equipment sent to Ukraine between the 24th February 2022 and the 31th December 2023 so we now have a better idea of the military equipment sent by France. I suggest a number of change to take into account these information.

Change "2 227mm LRU MLRS" to "4 227mm LRU MLRS" Change "~20 155mm TRF1s" to "6 155mm TRF1s" Change "Unknown number of MO-120 RT heavy mortars." to "10 MO-120 RT heavy mortars." Change "30 to 40 AMX-10 RCR" to "38 AMX-10 RC" Change "~60 VABs" to "250 VABs" Change "Renault TRM 10000 Trucks" to "10 Renault TRM 10000 ACH Fuel Trucks" Change "Renault GBC 180 all-terrain 6X6 cargo trucks" to "6 Renault GBC 180 all-terrain 6X6 cargo trucks" Change "Peugeot P4 off-road vehicles" to "120 Peugeot P4 off-road vehicles" Change "Mistral systems" to "6 Mistral systems" Change "MILAN systems" to "3 MILAN systems" Change "HPD2A2s" to "3600 HPD2A2s" Change "Unknown number of Ground Master 200 radars" to "1 Ground Master 200 radar" Change "150 reconnaissance drones purchased from the French company Delair" to "160 reconnaissance drones purchased from the French company Delair" Add in the "Small arms" category : "•560 12.7mm machine gun" , "•1,000 Famas Aussault Rifle", "•20 sniper rifle" Change "Ammunition of various calibers (12.7mm ammunition, 155mm artillery rounds, etc.)." to "1.1 million ammunition of various calibers (9mm, 5.56 ammunition, etc.)." Add in the "Ammunition category" : "•1.74 million 12.7mm ammunition", "•30000 155mm artillery round", "9000 105mm round for AMX10 RC" (the AMX10 RC use specific ammunition) Change "OF 37 HE hand grenades" to "10500 OF 37 HE hand grenades" Change "Helmets" to "6200 Helmets" Change "Bulletproof vests" to "6500 Bulletproof vests" Change "Army medical kits" to "3700 Army medical kits" Change "Electro-optical/Infra-red systems (including night detection binoculars ordered from Thales and Safran" to "Electro-optical/Infra-red systems (including 445 night detection binoculars ordered from Thales and Safran" Analamed (talk) 10:52, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest separating your suggestions by making each one on a different line or some format other than just a ton of suggestions in one giant paragraph. Shadow311 (talk) 13:53, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 March 2024 - Belgium

The Belgian government has given the green light on Friday for 412 million euros in additional aid for Ukraine. This was announced by Minister of Defense Ludivine Dedonder:

  • Transfer of three minesweepers to Ukraine in collaboration with the Netherlands. Belgium to organize basic training for personnel. Netherlands to provide on-the-job training for crews .Maintenance of the ship Narcis before transfer to ensure seaworthiness and usability for training and operations (6 million euros from the Ukraine Fund)
  • Purchase of armored ambulances in Benelux cooperation, modernized and transferred to Ukraine
  • Joint purchase of reconnaissance drones
  • Contribution of 32.9 million euros from the Ukraine Fund
  • Delivery of nearly 300 Lynx vehicles Infantry mobility vehicles
  • Delivery of artillery ammunition: Partly from Defense stocks, Partly through an international group purchase from various companies
  • 373.1 million euros allocated from the Ukraine Fund


Link (Dutch):https://www.hln.be/buitenland/live-oekraine-16-doden-door-russische-raketaanval-op-odesa-extra-belgische-steun-voor-kiev-mijnenjager-gepantserde-ambulances-en-munitie~abf3138b/ Waffely (talk) 18:26, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 March 2024

Kosovo has approved to send a second military aid package to Ukraine consisting of mortar rounds. The first military aid package includes military trucks, and armored vehicles. Jimmybowles1 (talk) 12:51, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source Twitter EjupMaqedonci Jimmybowles1 (talk) 12:52, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. M.Bitton (talk) 03:01, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

France: 78 Caesar Howitzers

France announced additional Caesar howitzers will be sent, but from the wording I'm not sure if it means an additional 78 + what has already been delivered, or if they aim for 78 total. APNews. Harizotoh9 (talk) 08:17, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aid provided

Under "aid provided" I see this: Philip Morris International; Donated 500,000 packs of cigarettes to the Ukrainian military; 1 March 2022

I mean, seriously, since when is this aid? I would rather call it an attempt, an abuse, to get more people hooked on their product!

Also it would be nice if we could see money-wise which part of all the "aid" was truly given, which part came through lend-lease, and which part also gave an economic impulse to the economy or business of the so-called "beneficiary".

77.60.121.89 (talk) 10:26, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 11 April 2024

Azerbaijan does not sends military aid to Ukraine - https://tass.com/world/1716465. It should be removed from the list of countries which send aid. 118.232.26.49 (talk) 13:19, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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