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Hi I am new to Wiki, had some editing Issues with this article, it was deleted and then restored by an admin, I then with his permission restored it to the previous version before I had actually edited anything. I now understand that the page is being reconstructed by admins as it was not originally constructed acording to teh rules, and will not be making any changes myself, I was also asked to open an account which I did, if you have any questions please send me a message, I am still in the process of figuring out how to use WIKI, so I appreciate your patience --Danielroseit (talk) 05:21, 8 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Almost everything seems to come from press releases. Were any of these picked up by real newspapers? Smallbones(smalltalk) 11:01, 9 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Mobileye has been featured in many newspapers,most of the articlles can also be found online for example: Reuters : http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/24/mobileye-driving-idUSL5E8LODTY20121024

New York Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/15/automobiles/15safety.html?n=Top%2fReference%2fTimes%20Topics%2fSubjects%2fA%2fAutomobiles&_r=0

is this what you mean? --Danielroseit (talk) 10:43, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, if the Motor Trend article wasn't a deadlink, there might be enough for an article. A few more articles would be very nice Smallbones(smalltalk) 22:23, 10 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Also, they are now partnered with Tesla, need to add that to the article, as it is not mentioned anywhere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.6.208.9 (talk) 15:30, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Headquarter in Israel or in Netherlands?

The text says Netherlands, the Info-Box says Israel. What gives? -- 89.182.217.69 (talk) 08:17, 2 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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This article seems very stale. Seems hasn't seem many updates since 2017? Is it here for historical purposes or should it be updated? Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 16:37, 15 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Request Edit

Hi, my name is Cliff and I work at Mobileye. I would like to request some corrections and updating to our Wikipedia entry. This is my first time working with Wikipedia so please forgive any errors in etiquette.

INTRODUCTION

In the introduction I would ask to clean up a few grammar issues and update to account for new areas that the company has expanded into. I would propose the following first paragraph: "Mobileye is an Israeli subsidiary of Intel corporation that is developing vision-based self-driving cars and advanced driver assistance systems (ADAS) that provide warnings for collision prevention and mitigation and whose technology surveys roadside assets to produce GIS layers used to create asset and mobility maps. [1] The company has announced that in 2022 it will begin providing Mobility-as-a-Service (MaaS) services starting with robotaxis in Tel Aviv.[2]

 Not done Business wire press releases are primary source and should be used with care, and certainly not to promote a company. I edited the introduction and removed "vision-based" because there is no wikilink for it and an average reader will know what that is. It can be defined later in the article if so wished.

In the second paragraph this may be Wikipedia style but should it be "Mobileye's headquarters" instead of "Mobileye headquarters"? Also the official name of the company is "Mobileye Vision Technologies Ltd." and not "Mobileye Vision Technology Ltd." In the last sentence I would suggest the word "purchase" instead of "takeover" as it was mutually agreed upon. This is according to the already listed source.

 Not done I do not see a grammar issue, a source was not provided to support the change of name and the BBC article describes the transaction as a takeover.

HISTORY

In the first paragraph I would propose cleaning up the English in the last sentence to read, "After receiving a license to use the technology which was owned by Yissum, he set up the company's R&D headquarters in Jerusalem, Israel together with Ziv Aviram."

minus Removed A citation for this sentence is not provided in this request or the article, so it has been removed. Please provide a source to add it back in.

In the third paragraph I am not sure where the information about the Philippines factory comes from and it doesn't really describe what the aftermarket department does so I would propose changing to: " In 2006, Mobileye set up an aftermarket department, which offers retrofit devices with ADAS features. The aftermarket products are sold to an international network of distributors on all continents who sell the products to fleets of trucks and buses, to car dealerships, and to car accessory shops."

minus Removed This paragraph in the article is not verified by the citation. Since the distributors are not part of the company, we do not need to describe the distributor's operations.

In the fourth paragraph I would request an update as to the number of EyeQ chips sold, "The EyeQ chip is used in over 60 million vehicles sold as of July 2020. [2] The latest generation of the EyeQ chip is the EyeQ5." [3]

MOS:CURRENT
Wikipedia avoids statements like "as of X date". I also don't think this information is pertinent to the History of the company, and it is promotional, so I removed it

In the fifth paragraph I would request an update to delete the sentence, "The companies plan to develop autonomous vehicles for the consumer market by 2021." as it is not correct

 Done

In the sixth paragraph it refers to a robotaxi service in "Israel". I would request this be made more exact, the service will be in Tel Aviv. [4]. This paragraph could possibly be moved further down if you accept my requested editions for adding information about MaaS.

? I could not find this reference. Can you quote the exact sentence?

I would also as to add several paragraphs as an update as the company has expanded operations over the years:

"In 2018, Mobileye executives Shai Shalev Shwartz and Amnon Shashua, along with Shaked Shammah, published a paper entitled “On a Formal Model of Safe and Scalable Self-driving Cars.”[5] " In it, they proposed the establishment of an open safety standard for self-driving cars. This standard, entitled Responsibility-Sensitive Safety, is a white-box, mathematical model for safety assurance capable of being tested and verified.

 Not done This article is about the company, not the executives, and should only document what the company has done.

In 2020, Mobileye published two unedited video clips of their self-driving car driving through Jerusalem’s streets. The vehicle used only vision sensors and was equipped with two EyeQ5 chips.[6] [6]

 Not done Promotional, non-notable information.

In 2019 Mobileye came to an agreement with RATP, a French public transportation provider, to establish a robotaxi service. The service will work in conjunction with public transportation, providing a model of mixed public/robotaxi service. [7]

 Not done Per

WP:CRYSTAL
Wikipedia does not predict the future and announcements are not themselves notable. When the robotaxi service is set up, we can consider adding the information.

In 2020, Mobileye came to an agreement with Daegu City allowing the company to test and then later deploy robotaxis in the South Korean city. [8]

 Not done Per

WP:CRYSTAL

In 2020 - Mobileye and NIO announced a strategic collaboration toward developing highly automated and autonomous vehicles (AV) for consumer markets in China and other major territories. As part of the planned cooperation, NIO will engineer and manufacture a self-driving system designed by Mobileye, building on its Level 4 (L4) AV kit. [8]

 Not done per

WP:CRYSTAL

In 2020, Intel acquired Moovit, a MaaS solutions provider which is expected to work with Mobileye on MaaS projects, including Mobileye’s proposed robotaxi service. Among other things, Moovit is expected to help optimize the allocation of robotaxis and brings with it the biggest transportation data base in the world. [9]

 Not done Wikipedia doesn't report expectations and this article is about Mobileye, not Maas

In 2020, Mobileye announced it would be collaborating with the UAE-based Habtoor Group to deploy robotaxis in Dubai in the near future. As part of the agreement Mobileye will create a set of what the company calls “smart city solutions” based on the Mobileye 8 Connect(TM) product. This will include pavement quality monitoring and traffic flow management. [10]

 Not done per

WP:CRYSTAL

TIMELINE

We would like to request a small correction to the timeline entry for 2007 starting, "Introduction of the Mobileye Advanced Warning System..." We request it be changed to, "2007: Introduction of the Mobileye Advanced Warning System, the first aftermarket system featuring functions of lane and vehicle detection running on a single processor."

 Not done per

WP:PROMO

We would like to request the following additions to the timeline: 2012: 1 million EyeQ units shipped

 Not done per

WP:PROMO
and no citation given.

2018: Mobileye and Intel propose an open safety standard for self driving cars – Responsibility-Sensitive Safety (RSS) [5]

 Not done Proposals are not actions, and

WP:NOBLE

2019: 50 Million EyeQ units shipped [11]

 Not done per

WP:PROMO
. We don't need to report sales numbers on Wikipedia.

2019: Mobileye and RATP agree to establish a joint robotaxi service [7]

 Not done Per

WP:CRYSTAL

2020: Mobileye agrees to testing and then deploying a robotaxi service in Daegu City South Korea [8]

 Not done per

WP:CRYSTAL

2020 – Mobileye comes to strategic collaboration agreement with NIO [8]

 Not done So what is this strategic collaboration about? Describe why it is notable and important for the reader to know about this.

2020: Intel acquires mobility startup Moovit [9]

 Not done This article is about Mobileye, not Intel or Moovit.

2020: Mobile announces collaboration with the Al Habtoor Group [10]

 Not done per

WP:CRYSTAL
and why is this notable?

2020: Mobileye launches Mobileye SuperVision™ in an agreement with The Geely Group [8]

 Not done Why is this notable? Give more information.

TECHNOLOGIES

I would request replacing the terms "firm" and "version" with "company" and "software" for clarity and consistency. This occurs several times in this section.

 Not done Editors are volunteers. Firm and version are acceptable synonyms for company and software, in my opinion. If you would like changes, please propose the exact text you want to see in the article.

In the first paragraph I would request to expand the description of the technology to be more exact. I propose the last sentence read, "The firm's detection algorithms recognize motorised vehicles such as cars, motorcycles and trucks, as well as pedestrians and cyclists, in day and most night time conditions."

 Not done A citation is not given in this request to verify this addition and the consumer reports source used at the end of the first paragraph in the article doesn't seem to verify it either.

In the second paragraph I request a clarification about the technology adding that the technology "generally" uses a single camera "behind the rear view mirror." I would also request adding the following details about the underlying technology: "The company’s technology can also incorporate multiple cameras, radar and lidar. According to Mobileye, their system allows the cameras, and radars and lidars to work in parallel, independent from one another, providing what the company calls “true redundancy” – a critical component for self driving cars. [1]

 Not done Primary source should be used with care. A press release from a compnay about how one of their parts is a "critical component" is

WP:PROMO

In the fifth paragraph we request the deletion of the phrase "to a range of around 30m" - as not factual.

 Done

In the tenth paragraph, regarding our work with Ford we request an update as follows, "In 2020, Ford and Mobileye announced that they would be expanding their relationship to offer even better camera-based detection capabilities for driver-assist systems. The agreement included a provision that the Mobileye logo would be displayed on Ford’s SYNC driver assist communications display and marked the first time Ford committed to using Mobileye for the entire lifecycle of a generation of vehicles. [12]

 Not done

WP:CRYSTAL
. We need information about what they are actually doing, not plans.

AFTERMARKET In the aftermarket section we request the following updates: "urban collision warning" should be "urban forward collision warning"

minus Removed Could not verify this information in the source given in the article.

"(including bicycles)" should be "(including cyclists)"

minus Removed Could not verify the information in the source given in the article.

We have a new aftermarket product designed for buses and trucks so we request the next to last sentence say, "The company also offers a system for buses and other large vehicles designed with the aforementioned warnings along with blind spot warnings." We also have our own fleet management system and request that the last sentence add the phrase, "including Mobileye's own fleet management system."

 Not done A citation was not given in this request for this change.

INVESTMENT For clarity I request writing "Following the Intel acquisition" instead of "Following the acquisition"

 Done

AWARDS AND RECOGNITION We request the addition of the following -

European Inventor Award, Finalist, 2019

CES 2020 Innovation Award Product Honoree

PACE Award winner for development of REM, 2020

In the table listing the EyeQ versions we request the addition, in the Implementations row of "Geely (design win)" in the EyeQ5 column. This represents our agreement with Geely, however no vehicles have actually been produced so this may not be appropriate.

 Not done Citations were not given to verify awards.

Cliff Mobileye (talk) 09:10, 29 October 2020 (UTC)Cliff Mobileye[reply]

Hi
verify the info you want to add. Z1720 (talk) 01:48, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply
]

Request Edit

Hi, my name is Cliff and I work at Mobileye. On January 5 2021, Mobileye changed it's logo. I request editors change the logo on the Wikipedia page, I am happy to supply a file with the logo upon request.{{subst:unsinged2|17:10, 29 October 2020‎|Cliff Mobileye}}

Please do supply a file, but I wouldn't be sure if it can be published due to things like
WP:FIR. h 10:58, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply
]
I've uploaded an updated version of the logo from Mobileye's website. I hope this resolves the request. If not, please let me know. —Granger (talk · contribs) 20:59, 31 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified

In my edit request above I edited the references to conform to Wikipedia style. Cliff Mobileye (talk) 15:12, 2 February 2021 (UTC)Cliff[reply]

Comments on the recent edit


Hi Z1720 Thank you for going over my request. I have some responses below, I wasn’t sure what would be easier to work with, if you prefer I can make these comments inline. Cliff Mobileye(talk)

INTRODUCTION

In the first paragraph, your point about MaaS is well taken, but I did find a reference for our data business so I would propose:

"Mobileye is an Israeli subsidiary of Intel corporation that is developing self-driving cars and advanced driver assistance systems (ADAS) that provide warnings for collision prevention and mitigation and whose technology surveys roadside assets to produce GIS layers used to create asset and mobility maps."[13]

In the second paragraph, the existing source has the company's name correct but the article uses a different, and incorrect, name.

HISTORY

In the third paragraph your point about distributors is well taken but as the aftermarket department is important I would like to include it, although perhaps it would be better moved to the first paragraph? In any case I would propose:

"In 2006, Mobileye set up an aftermarket department, which offers devices to retrofit existing vehicles with ADAS features." [14]

In regards to RSS, again I understand your point but I believe RSS is a rather important step in self-driving technology so I would propose the following:

“In 2018 Mobileye proposed the establishment of an open safety standard for self-driving cars. In 2019, The Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE) began work to establish such an industry-wide standard called IEEE P2846, which builds off of the RSS model.” [15]

TIMELINE

Basically understand your changes but would propose the following:

2019 – IEEE establishes working group for self-driving safety standards building off of RSS.[15]

2020 - Mobileye launches Mobileye SuperVision™ the first ADAS-to-AV scalable system.[16]


2020 - Mobile announces collaboration with the Al Habtoor Group, one of the first major collaborations between and Israeli technology company and a UAE conglomerate. [17]


2021 - Mobileye begins testing self-driving cars in Munich.[18]

TECHNOLOGIES

For the first paragraph you asked for references about our technology, here are two: [14][19]

At the end of the first paragraph, I would propose the following: "Currently, the company’s technology can also incorporate multiple cameras, radar and lidar. The system allows the cameras to work in parallel with radars and lidars to provide redundancy.” [2]

AFTERMARKET

You asked for a source for "The company also offers a system for buses and other large vehicles designed with the aforementioned warnings along with blind spot warnings."[20]

AWARDS AND RECOGNITION

You asked for references for the awards. I know ine is a primary source but I thought for awards that would be okay

European Inventor Award Finalist [21]

PACE Award winner for development of REM, 2020 [22]

Thanks again for your help

Cliff Mobileye (talk) 13:08, 11 February 2021 (UTC)Cliff Mobileye[reply]

Request Edit

Please note, some of these changes were proposed before but did not have proper sourcing. I have added better sources to these.

In the first paragraph (company description) it does not mention a large division of the company - Mobileye Data Services so I would propose:

"Mobileye is an Israeli subsidiary of Intel corporation that is developing self-driving cars and advanced driver assistance systems (ADAS) that provide warnings for collision prevention and mitigation and whose technology surveys roadside assets to produce GIS layers used to create asset and mobility maps.[23]

In the HISTORY section. One major development was left out - the creation of the aftermarket division. I would propose adding to the third paragraph:

"In 2006, Mobileye set up an aftermarket department, which offers devices to retrofit existing vehicles with ADAS features." [24]

Also in the history section, I believe RSS is a rather important step in self-driving technology so I would propose a fifth paragraph as follows:

“In 2018 Mobileye proposed the establishment of an open safety standard for self-driving cars. In 2019, The Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE) began work to establish such an industry-wide standard called IEEE P2846, which builds off of the RSS model.” [25]

In the TIMELINE section I propose:

2019 - IEEE establishes working group for self-driving safety standards building off of RSS.[26]

2020 - Mobileye launches Mobileye SuperVision™ the first ADAS-to-AV scalable system.[27]

2020 - Mobileye announces collaboration with the Al Habtoor Group, one of the first major collaborations between and Israeli technology company and a UAE conglomerate.[28]

2021 - Mobileye begins testing self-driving cars in Munich.[29]

In the TECHNOLOGY section, I would like to add references for the first sentence where one is missing:[30] [31]

The technology has also developed in the meantime and so I would ask the following sentence be added to the end of the first paragraph - "Currently, the company’s technology can also incorporate multiple cameras, radar and lidar. The system allows the cameras to work in parallel with radars and lidars to provide what Mobileye calls true redundancy. [32] [33]

In the AFTERMARKET section, there is technology specifically designed for trucks and buses so I would request an addition - "The company also offers a system for buses and other large vehicles designed with the aforementioned warnings along with blind spot warnings."[34]

In the AWARDS section, there are several recent awards that should be added as follows (with the citations):

European Inventor Award Finalist - 2019, May 7, 2019 [35]

PACE Award winner for development of REM, 2020, [36]





Cliff Mobileye (talk) 10:39, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ a b "Mobileye Outlines Strategy for Driving Significant Growth". Business Wire. 2019-11-05. Retrieved 2019-11-05. Cite error: The named reference "Business Wire" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).
  2. ^ a b c "Intel/Mobileye Promises Self-Driving Robotaxi Service In 2022, While Others Back Off". Forbes. 2020-05-21. Retrieved 2020-05-21. Cite error: The named reference "Forbes" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).
  3. ^ "Exclusive: Intel's Mobileye gets self-driving tech deal for 8 million cars". Reuters. 2019-05-17. Retrieved 2019-05-17.
  4. ^ "Volkswagen to Test Autonomous Vehicles in Tel Aviv in 2022, Says Executive". Calcalist. 2019-10-29. Retrieved 2019-10-29.
  5. ^ a b "On a Formal Model of Safe and Scalable Self-driving Cars" (PDF). Mobileye. 2019-10-29. Retrieved 2019-10-29. Cite error: The named reference "Mobileye" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).
  6. ^ a b "Unedited 40 Minute Ride in Mobileye's Autonomous Car". Mobileye. 2020-05-28. Retrieved 2020-05-28. Cite error: The named reference "YouTube" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).
  7. ^ a b "RATP and Mobileye to roll out robocabs in Paris". NewMobilityNews. 2019-11-06. Retrieved 2019-11-06.
  8. ^ a b c d e "Mobileye expands its robotaxi footprint with a new deal in South Korea". TechCrunch. 2020-01-07. Retrieved 2020-01-07. Cite error: The named reference "TechCrunch" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).
  9. ^ a b "Teaming Up With Moovit, Intel's Mobileye Brings World Closer to a Driverless Future". Haaretz. 2020-05-06. Retrieved 2020-05-06.
  10. ^ a b "Mobileye teams with Al Habtoor on UAE autonomous cars". Globes. 2020-09-23. Retrieved 2020-09-23.
  11. ^ "NIO to Build Mobileye's Autonomous Taxi". TechTime. 2019-11-06. Retrieved 2019-11-06.
  12. ^ "Ford expands partnership with Mobileye, Intel's autonomous driving business". ZDNet. 2020-07-20. Retrieved 2020-07-20.
  13. ^ "Mobileye is Mapping 28,000 Miles of Barcelona's Roads Daily to Improve Safety". Edge AI+Vision Alliance. 2019-12-13. Retrieved 2019-12-13.
  14. ^ a b "Mobileye develops a third eye for your car". Jerusalem Post. 2008-10-19. Retrieved 2008-10-19.
  15. ^ a b "How to make cities ready for autonomous vehicles, and AVs ready for cities". Automotive World. 2020-08-17. Retrieved 2020-08-17.
  16. ^ "Mobileye and Geely to offer most robust driver assistance features". Automotive World. 2020-09-24. Retrieved 2020-09-24.
  17. ^ "Al-Habtoor signs deal with Israeli technology firm". MEED. 2020-09-24. Retrieved 2020-09-24.
  18. ^ [hhttps://www.timesofisrael.com/mobileye-releases-video-of-self-driving-car-on-munich-roads/ "Mobileye releases video of self-driving car on Munich roads"]. Times of Israel. 2020-12-16. Retrieved 2020-12-16.
  19. ^ "Biggest-ever Israeli IPO paves way for driverless cars". Times of Israel. 2014-08-03. Retrieved 2014-08-03.
  20. ^ "The dangers of the blind spot: retrofittable turning assistant ProFleet Assist+ from Knorr-Bremse TruckServices and Mobileye®, an Intel company, improves traffic safety". Automotive World. 2020-07-29. Retrieved 2020-07-29.
  21. ^ "Amnon Shashua and team named finalists of the European Inventor Award 2019". Automotive News. 2019-07-05. Retrieved 2019-07-05.
  22. ^ "Suppliers earn PACE nominations for new ideas". Automotive News. 2019-10-11. Retrieved 2019-10-11.
  23. ^ "Mobileye is Mapping 28,000 Miles of Barcelona's Roads Daily to Improve Safety". Edge AI+Vision Alliance. Retrieved 19 Dec 2019.
  24. ^ "Mobileye develops a third eye for your car". Jerusalem Post. Retrieved 19 Oct 2008.
  25. ^ "How to make cities ready for autonomous vehicles, and AVs ready for cities". Automotive World. Retrieved 17 Aug 2020.
  26. ^ "How to make cities ready for autonomous vehicles, and AVs ready for cities". Automotive World. Retrieved 17 Aug 2020.
  27. ^ "Mobileye and Geely to offer most robust driver assistance features". Automotive World. Retrieved 24 Sep 2020.
  28. ^ "Al-Habtoor signs deal with Israeli technology firm". MEED Middle East Business Intelligence. Retrieved 24 Sep 2020.
  29. ^ "Mobileye releases video of self-driving car on Munich roads". Times of Israel. Retrieved 16 Dec 2020.
  30. ^ "Mobileye develops a third eye for your car". Jerusalem Post. Retrieved 19 Oct 2008.
  31. ^ "Biggest-ever Israeli IPO paves way for driverless cars". Times of Israel. Retrieved 3 Aug 2014.
  32. ^ "Mobileye & Udelv Gun for Goods Delivery Autonomous Vehicles". EETimes. Retrieved 4 Dec 2020.
  33. ^ "Mobileye Expands - More AV Test Sites, Lidar And Imaging Radar". Forbes. Retrieved 13 Jan 2021.
  34. ^ "The dangers of the blind spot: retrofittable turning assistant ProFleet Assist+ from Knorr-Bremse TruckServices and Mobileye®, an Intel company, improves traffic safety". Automotive World. Retrieved 29 July 2020.
  35. ^ "Computer vision for greater road safety: Amnon Shashua and team named finalists of the European Inventor Award 2019". European Patent Office. Retrieved 7 May 2019.
  36. ^ "Pace Awards Program". Wikipedia.
 Not done: Obvious PR. Quetstar (talk) 15:29, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request- improving structure and content for clarity

Hi, my name is Gideon. As an employee of Mobileye I have a conflict of interest, and hope to collaborate with the community here to improve the article. I've never edited on behalf of Mobileye before, and have reviewed the previous requests in an attempt to better understand the guidelines and process. I am also consulting with an expert on best practices, and hope to learn more through my interactions with other editors on the page.

I'd like to discuss reworking the current structure to improve both clarity and accuracy for the reader. As the article currently stands, much of the information is outdated or incomplete, and it doesn't appear to be organized by any particular logic. As a first step I would like to propose that it be organized in the following sections, with existing info either being moved accordingly or removed, depending on its noteworthiness and verifiability:

  • Lead
  • History
  • Partnerships (including the break up with Tesla)
  • Technology (including EyeQ, REM, RSS, True Redundancy, Supervision, Drive, and Aftermarket)
  • Chips
  • Controversy (to be discussed further later :))
  • Awards and recognition

If this is acceptable, I'd be happy to propose updated content for each, either here in small requests or as a separate draft/s in my userspace for easier review. If not, I would love to hear your thoughts.

Thanks! Gideon at Mobileye (talk) 11:10, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Gideon at Mobileye: You need to describe what content should go into these sections. Quetstar (talk) 15:09, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Quetstar, nice to meet you. Thanks for your interest in this! As stated above, I'd be happy to suggest content. The issue is that much of the existing content is either improperly sourced or would benefit from reorganization for clarity, and my initial idea was to break this process up into several steps to avoid any confusion. I do have content to propose as well and am looking forward to discussing it with the community. I was hoping to gain some more insight and hear others' ideas before suggesting anything concrete. Would you prefer that I put my thoughts up as a draft in userspace now? Thanks for your help, Gideon at Mobileye (talk) 11:23, 7 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that would be good. I'm on indefinite break though, so I will be unable to review your draft. Quetstar (talk) 11:49, 7 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Quetstar, ok, thanks for your input! Will work on a complete draft and share a link here when it's ready. Gideon at Mobileye (talk) 13:24, 8 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi all, I've put up a draft with some suggestions here. I've highlighted new additions in yellow, and blue highlights are new content based on pre-existing mentions (in the timeline, or other sections). I hope this format is clear, and am happy to answer any questions and discuss further. Thanks again for your interest in this, Gideon at Mobileye (talk) 08:52, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Per discussion on my talk page, I've taken a look at the above draft. I see no glaring issues with the wording, though I have not looked through the sources to check if they're reliable sources. Side note, I recommend that you look at
WP:NAMEDREF to fix the "ibid." issue in the references section. ~ Matthewrb Talk to me · Changes I've made 05:03, 13 March 2022 (UTC)[reply
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WP:RSP, and the proposed content includes only that which is stated clearly in the cited articles. As for the "ibid" issue- those were actually copied over from the original article that I was working on for clarity purposes. Once these changes are implemented live, those refs shouldn't appear/should be fixed. Please let me know if anything else is needed from me, and if not, I'd be happy to implement myself for your convenience. Thanks again for your time, Gideon at Mobileye (talk) 09:54, 13 March 2022 (UTC)[reply
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@
RS, then I think your draft can replace the article. ~ Matthewrb Talk to me · Changes I've made 17:37, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply
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Matthewrb thanks so much for your help with this! I've updated the article in mainspace. I hope to put up another edit request shortly- will shoot you a ping when I do in case you're available to discuss. Thanks again, Gideon at Mobileye (talk) 08:04, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Closing request as answered, per above. Z1720 (talk) 00:52, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request 2

Hi again. Thank you

MrOllie
for your assistance with the previous edit request both here on the Talk page and in the live article- I appreciate your input and improvements to the proposed text. As a new request, I'd like to discuss the Controversy section, and propose an update to the Awards and recognition section, which is outdated.

  • My view is that the content currently included in the controversy section is irrelevant to an article about Mobileye itself- instead it relates only to specific individuals. In fact, as currently stated in the article, "Neither Intel nor Mobileye were accused by the SEC of violating the law." There are several mentions of speculations, all which proved unfounded, and bring no value to the article or the reader. I propose removing this section.
  • I would also like to suggest that the following awards be added to the Awards and recognition section:

In 2020, Mobileye was ranked 5th on Guidehouse AV leaderboard (Analyst company, 2020)[1], and was awarded the 2020 Pace Award.[2] Mobileye is ranked #2 of the Autonomous Driving companies in the space by the CCI and the Center of Automotive Management.[3]

Looking forward to your feedback, Gideon at Mobileye (talk) 09:14, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Guidehouse Insights Leaderboard: Automated Driving Vehicles". Guidehouse Insights.
  2. ^ "WINNER: 40 MILLION DRIVERS HELP DRAW A MAP". Automotive News.
  3. ^ "Connected Car Innovation (CCI) Study 2021". Center of Automotive Management. July 23, 2021.
The insider trading stuff is a notable event in the company's history and needs to be covered. As to the 'awards', we typically do not list nonnotable awards on company pages. I can see why you'd be confused there, because the awards currently listed are nonnotable as well. I have removed them. Please don't ping individual editors in the future, we have the request edit queue for a reason, and you shouldn't try to jump the queue by reaching out to individual volunteers. -
MrOllie (talk) 11:45, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply
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MrOllie
, thanks for your response here. Since you've closed the request, I have no choice but to ping you, but let me know if opening a new request/reopening this one would be a better approach.

I'm surprised by your view of the Controversy section. It appears to violate several aspects of

WP:CRITS
to consider here. The section, as it is currently written, includes much speculation as well as unsourced or unrelated information, for example: "In September 2017, the Israeli newspaper Haaretz speculated that the addition of Cluff and Shaoul as defendants raised the "possibility" that Mobileye founders Amnon Shashua and Ziv Aviram may be eventually named as well. That did not happen."

Looking forward to your thoughts, Gideon at Mobileye (talk) 13:32, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request- Controversy section

Hello, I'm opening an additional edit request to address the controversy section, which focuses primarily on speculation and unsourced or unrelated information about specific individuals- not Mobileye the company. I believe it violates several aspects of

WP:CRITS
is also important to consider here. One example from the text is: "In September 2017, the Israeli newspaper Haaretz speculated that the addition of Cluff and Shaoul as defendants raised the "possibility" that Mobileye founders Amnon Shashua and Ziv Aviram may be eventually named as well. That did not happen." I propose removing the section.

Thanks for your help, Gideon at Mobileye (talk) 08:42, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'll leave this open for another editor to review, but please see my reply above - this should not be removed. -
MrOllie (talk) 11:50, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply
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User Gideon pinged me and asked me take a look. However it seems there is some background that I need to first get acquainted with. Will take a look and go thru the sources in a bit before I get back to forming an opinion on this. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 12:17, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Rsrikanth05, thanks for taking a look! There is certainly some background- I appreciate you taking the time to read through the above discussions, and look forward to your thoughts. Of course, if you have any questions or additional points to discuss, please don't hesitate to reach out. Thanks again, Gideon at Mobileye (talk) 09:54, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Gideon at Mobileye asked me to take a look at the "Controversy" section of this article. My general thoughts are:
  1. Controversy sections are problematic because they are inherently biased and not NPOV, as pointed out in the
    WP:CRITS
    essay. (Essays are not policy or guidelines, so they represent opinions that do not have to be followed.) I would suggest integrating this information into the rest of the article or change this section heading.
  2. The insider trading allegations should be included in the article, but in my opinion this section can be trimmed of information for too much detail and
    WP:NOTNEWS
    . (For example, "The case was filed in federal court in New York City (the "New York Court").") and more information can be added about how this relates to or affected the Mobileye acquisition.
Those are my thoughts. Perhaps Gideon or others can propose a better version of this controversies section. I will not be rewriting it at this time because I am busy and want to spent my wiki-time elsewhere. Z1720 (talk) 13:15, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Z1720, thanks for taking the time to look this over! As per your feedback, I propose trimming the current language as follows, and moving it to the History section:
In late March 2017, Reuters reported that the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission charged two Israelis with engaging in insider trading, prior to the announcement of the acquisition of Mobileye by Intel.[1] Neither Intel nor Mobileye were accused by the SEC of violating the law. In November 2017, the SEC filed a motion with a New York court for assistance from Israel in taking evidence from four Israeli witnesses concerning the allegations of insider trading.[2] The request was eventually increased to five Israeli witnesses.[3] In 2019, two defendants were fined $6 million in exchange for not admitting guilt.[4]

References

  1. ^ Two Israelis accused of Mobileye insider Trading, March 24, 2017, https://www.timesofisrael.com/two-israelis-accused-of-mobileye-insider-trading/ Archived 2020-11-12 at the Wayback Machine
  2. ^ "US Seeks Israel's Help in Mobileye Insider Trading Probe," Nocamels, Nov. 20, 2017, https://nocamels.com/2017/11/us-seeks-israels-help-in-mobileye-insider-trading-probe/ Archived 2018-07-16 at the Wayback Machine
  3. ^ See Addendum to Request for International Assistance Pursuant to the Hague Convention on the Taking of Evidence Abroad in Civil or Commercial Matters," Feb. 7, 2018, https://pacer.login.uscourts.gov/csologin/login.jsf?pscCourtId=NYSDC&appurl=https://ecf.nysd.uscourts.gov/doc1/127121835857 (hereinafter, the "Supplemental Request").
  4. ^ "Mobileye Insider Trading Defendants to pay $6 Million". Calcalistech. December 15, 2019.
As far as I know, this didn't affect the acquisition in any way. Thanks again for your time on this, Gideon at Mobileye (talk) 10:06, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Gideon, you really, really should not be trimming stuff like this yourself. Also, please stop trying to jump the queue by going to people's talk pages to try to get them to come here and edit for you.
MrOllie (talk) 11:10, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply
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MrOllie, my apologies. In the response above Z1720 mentioned that there should be no Controversy section at all, but I didn't want to overstep and therefore simply shortened it. Will wait and see what others suggest, then. As for your last point, it is my understanding of wiki policy that pinging editors that have been engaged on the Talk page previously is appropriate. Gideon at Mobileye (talk) 12:42, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply
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For certain kinds of active discussions, yes. To try to get your requested edit implemented, no.
MrOllie (talk) 13:12, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply
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@Gideon at Mobileye: when you are talking about a specific editor, or replying to a specific editor (like in this response) it is always appropriate to ping them. When making a new edit request, it is usually not appropriate to ping editors, as it can be seen as trying to influence getting the requested edits approved. If someone is interested in editing the article, they will have it on their watch page.
As per the Controversy section, there shouldn't be a section labelled "Controversy" as it might be considered going against
WP:NPOV. This doesn't mean that controversies shouldn't be mentioned in the article. Instead, activities that might be placed in the "Controversy" section should instead be merged into another section (probably the article's history section). Z1720 (talk) 14:19, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply
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MrOllie Z1720 Gideon_at_Mobileye Hi, I am an editor without a COI who is working on reducing the "request edit" backlog, and this is the oldest request in the queue. I have read the article, all the notes above, and the relevant citations. I agree that the "Controversy" section should be deleted (neither Intel nor Mobileye were implicated in the insider trading). I propose adding one (or a few sentences) to the 2017 entry in the "History" section. Unless I hear otherwise, I'll make the edit by this weekend. Duke Gilmore (talk) 19:32, 13 December 2022 (UTC)[reply
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As long as it is covered somewhere in the article, I'm fine with merging the section.
MrOllie (talk) 19:37, 13 December 2022 (UTC)[reply
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MrOllie Z1720 Gideon_at_Mobileye  Done Duke Gilmore (talk) 21:01, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply
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Images

Hi all, I've recently added several images of Mobileye's headquarters and vehicles to WikiCommons- please feel free to use them in the article if you feel they are relevant. Gideon at Mobileye (talk) 12:43, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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