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I've been asked how St. Jude management and senior staff salaries compare to other similarly-situated hospitals? If these salaries are significantly higher, are the recipients related in some way (even beyond familial) to board members and other senior staff?

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COI Request

This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest has now been answered.

Hello fellow editors! I’m with St. Jude Children's Research Hospital and have disclosed my conflict of interest. I am looking to make some changes to the page and would appreciate some help. Here are the changes:

 Partly done: Any future reviewers: I have done most of this, if you want to check the final source that I couldn't get, I'd appreciate it. Also, pinging User:AliceStacey, I converted your bare links into citation templates, please ping me if you think anything was done wrong. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 00:41, 10 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi IAmChaos, thank you so much for completing this request for us, it is very much appreciated! If you have any feedback, I would greatly appreciate it as I am still navigating the world of Wiki editing.

Could you take a look at the ALSAC Wikipedia page? We have also made an edit request to the ALSAC talk page.

If you have any questions please feel free to reach out on my talk page, and thank you in advance!

AliceStacey (talk) 18:17, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Citation for premise of hospital foundation “The hospital was founded on the premise that "no child should die in the dawn of life".

Sources: ^{[1] [2]}

Citation for shrine Thomas built “Years later, Thomas became a successful comedian and built St. Jude Children's Research Hospital as a shrine to St. Jude Thaddeus to honor his promise.”

Sources: ^{[1] [2]}

Remove the word also Could we please remove the word also from this sentence as ALSAC’s only purpose is to raise funds and awareness for St. Jude: “ALSAC is also one fundraising organization of St. Jude.”

Citation for Samuel Stritch “Memphis was chosen at the suggestion of Catholic Cardinal Samuel Stritch, a Tennessee native who had been a spiritual advisor to Thomas since he presided at Thomas's confirmation in Thomas's boyhood home of Toledo, Ohio.”

Source: ^[2]

Citation for St. Jude having no religious affiliations “Although it was named after Thomas's patron saint, St. Jude is not a Catholic hospital and is a secular institution not affiliated with any religious organization.”

Source: ^[2]

Citation for expansion of the hospital “The Pediatric Brain Tumor Consortium, two floors of outpatient clinics, one floor of inpatient clinics and rooms, two floors of laboratory space, an office floor and an unfinished level for future expansion.”

Source: ^[3]

I don't have access to this source, will leave for someone else Happy Editing--IAmChaos 23:19, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Citation for the Marlo Thomas Center “In 2014, the Marlo Thomas Center for Global Education and Collaboration was opened as part of the hospital.”

Source: ^[4]

Citation for St. Jude Graduate School of Biomedical Sciences “In 2017, the St. Jude Graduate School of Biomedical Sciences accepted its inaugural class of PhD students.”

Source: ^[5] AliceStacey (talk) 15:00, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Source @IAmChaos was unable to access has been added with archive Kingapresa (talk) 16:56, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Kingapresa, thank you so much for completing this request for us, it is very much appreciated! If you have any feedback, I would greatly appreciate it as I am still navigating the world of Wiki editing.

Could you take a look at the ALSAC Wikipedia page? We have also made an edit request to the ALSAC talk page.

If you have any questions please feel free to reach out on my talk page, and thank you in advance!

AliceStacey (talk) 18:18, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @AliceStacey, I'm sorry for the late reply. I forgot about this thread. If you add @ in front of a username, it will ping a person and notify them of a reply. I appreciate your patience. I will take a look at your new edit request for St. Jude's. I need to finish out this week, but I will have time this weekend.

If I need to reach you with questions or comments, instead of heading over to your talk page, I would prefer to ping you here in this talk page, if that's okay. Just to keep the conservation organized.

Just from a quick glance at your request, you have two sources that link to St. Jude's own website. Wikipedia prefers to avoid primary sources. If you could find secondary sources that have the same information, that would be helpful. Otherwise the information found in the primary source may not be added. Best-- Kingapresa (talk) 01:24, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Forgot to add: unless you use the visual editor, just adding @ will not work. In source, you'll need to use wikitext to add a wikilink to the user's page. Or if you know this already, I'm sorry for assuming otherwise Kingapresa (talk) 01:35, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Kingapresa ! Thank you so much for getting back to me, I really appreciate it. I will look into those secondary sources for you right now and provide them as soon as possible. I appreciate your help and patience with this! AliceStacey (talk) 15:41, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 In progress Happy Editing--IAmChaos 23:03, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Partly done I couldnt get into one source, I have c/p the last part that needs to be done below for the next reviewer. Happy Editing--IAmChaos 00:39, 10 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Citation for expansion of the hospital

“The Pediatric Brain Tumor Consortium, two floors of outpatient clinics, one floor of inpatient clinics and rooms, two floors of laboratory space, an office floor and an unfinished level for future expansion.”

Source: ^[1]

References

1. ^ [2]

I don't have access to this source, will leave for someone else Happy Editing--IAmChaos 23:19, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

A June 8th article from ProPublica about St. Jude’s fundraising: [3] Thriley (talk) 15:56, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest has now been answered.

Hello fellow editors! I’m with St. Jude Children's Research Hospital and have disclosed my conflict of interest. I am looking to make some more changes to the page and would appreciate some help. I know that there are several requests, so if there’s an easier way to break it up, please let me know! Here are the changes:

1. Change the first sentence to read as follows and add citations: “St. Jude Children's Research Hospital is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization with annual expenses, and as of 2021 received $2 billion in donations.”

Sources: https://www.usnews.com/news/business/articles/2021-07-22/st-jude-hits-donation-milestone-to-fight-childhood-cancer https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/digital-marketing/the-keys-to-st-jude-s-2b-2020-fundraising-effort-a-digital-shift-mission-to-space.html

2. Citations for ALSAC raising funds “Donations for St. Jude come from many sources, including government grants and insurance recoveries, but the principal source of funding (75% average) is from the American Lebanese Syrian Associated Charities (ALSAC) – a semi-independent entity that raises funds using the name of St. Jude.”

Sources: https://time.com/6083981/st-jude-chief-fundraising-inspiration4/ https://www.charitynavigator.org/ein/351044585?source

3. Change the following sentence to read as follows and add citation: “According to the company, of a dollar donated to the American Lebanese Syrian Associated Charities, about $0.82 goes directly to St. Jude Children's Research Hospital.”

Source: https://www.stjude.org/about-st-jude/faq/how-much-of-what-i-donate-actually-benefits-the-children.html

4. Change the following sentence to read as follows and add citation: “St. Jude is a pediatric research organization in the United States where families never pay for treatments that are not covered by insurance, and families without insurance do not receive a bill from St. Jude for treatment, travel, housing, or food.”

Source: https://www.the961.com/danny-thomas-st-jude-hospital/

5. Citation for housing facilities “In addition to providing medical services to eligible patients, St. Jude also assists families with transportation, lodging, and meals. Three separate specially-designed patient housing facilities— Tri Delta Place for short-term (up to one week), Ronald McDonald House for medium-term (one week to 3 months), and Target House for long-term (3 months or more)—provide housing for patients and up to three family members, with no cost to the patient.”

Source: https://www.stjude.org/treatment/patient-resources/while-here/housing.html

6. Remove the following sentence due to lack of proper sourcing: “These policies, along with research expenses and other costs, cause the hospital to incur more than $2.4 million in operating costs each day.”

AliceStacey (talk) 20:14, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Kingapresa, pinging you on this edit request! Below is an updated source for #5.

https://julesoflife.org/get-help/locations-of-care/stjudechildrenshospital

Thank you again for looking these over and taking the time to make the changes, I really appreciate it! If by chance you have time and it is of interest to you, I have also posted a COI request on the ALSAC Wikipedia page.

Please feel free to ping me with any questions or concerns, I am always happy to help where possible. AliceStacey (talk) 17:55, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @AliceStacey, I'm sorry about the wait. I know I said I would look at it last week, however I had a lot of other items come up on my agenda that I had to prioritize. I'm here to look at it now :)

1. I was hesitant to change the first sentence to your suggestion. I believe first and foremost, St. Jude's should be recognized as a research facility and treatment center. The fact that they are a nonprofit should come secondary to their primary purpose as an organization. However, since it is still important, I've done some rearranging of the paragraph to make sure St. Jude's designation as a nonprofit is not glossed over. Let me know what you think. U.S. News is a good source and I included it but I'm not sure about Becker's Hospital Review; I left them out.
2. I couldn't find the 75% average figure on the Time's article or Charity Navigator, the two sources provided. I also couldn't find it online or in the 2020 financial report. I instead found an article talking about ALSAC's 2019 IRS Form 990 which states a figure of 51%. I reworded mentions of ALSAC to fit your change and the new information I found. I added both sources for ALSAC in general. Though they are primary sources, they are financial statements, which are federally required to be accurate and trustworthy. Therefore I personally believe using them as a source is okay.
3. It appears you found a new primary source for request 5, however request 3 also links to a primary source. The information also seems to contradict what is on the financial statements, or is a misleading figure. I won't be able to include it for these reasons.
4. I'm not sure what sentence you wanted changed, but I assume it's the sentence "St. Jude is one of a few pediatric research organizations in the United States where families never pay for treatments that are not covered by insurance, and families without insurance are never asked to pay." The new sentence still sort of reads like an advert, so I made a few changes. Since "travel, housing, and food" is mentioned later on with "transportation, lodging, and meals" I decided not to include the second mention so it is not repeated. Let me know if the new information is inaccurate in any way.
5. Source added. Last part of the sentence "with no cost to the patient.” was removed since it is now redundant.
6. I figure of 2.4 million dollars per day to run was changed to 1.7 million, because the original figure came from St. Jude which is a primary source. 1.7 million was the number I got from "Philanthropy Roundtable." I added that source to retain the sentence.

In the future, the article will need to have changes made to make it more neutral. Much of it sounds like how St. Jude would like to describe themselves.

I will personally be quite busy this month. I'll keep this edit request open until you have the time to confirm or ask for changes. Come November, I'll have more free time to respond here and finish this up, and I'll also be able to look at your COI edit request for ALSAC. Thank you for your edit request and again apologies for the late response. Kingapresa (talk) 20:23, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Kingapresa,

Thank you so much again for your time and help with this request, I really appreciate it. If there are any links that need to be updated, or you have any suggestions on content that can be updated to be more neutral, please let me know as I’d be happy to draft something up to improve the page.

Thank you again!

AliceStacey (talk) 18:07, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @AliceStacey, sure thing!

I am finally on a long break, so I can take more time here. Here are some sections you can redraft to make more neutral:

-Awards and achievements. "numerous awards" are weasel words since it's vague phrasing and unverifiable. That could use a source and be reworded.

-Thanks and Giving. Unverified information that needs sources and the entire section sounds promotional. "host of opportunities" are more weasel words

-Philanthropic aid. Third paragraph should be rewritten for neutrality. And in the 2nd paragraph, that last sentence needs a different source. The link no longer supports the information provided.

-Other funding initiatives. Most of it is fine, but the first two paragraphs need some work. They need to be rewritten and properly sourced or removed.

And for other links that need to be updated...Any source that leads directly to information provided by St. Jude on their website are

primary sources.

The exception to this is when they publish their IRS forms, because they have been reputably published (reviewed by an auditor to confirm that they are factual). Unfortunately, the same cannot be said about information provided directly to consumers by an entity, since it does not go through any sort of comb before being published. With secondary sources, there is at least one person combing through the information from primary sources to determine if it is factual, and so that is why secondary sources are generally more acceptable citations. Of course there are untrustworthy secondary sources, but Wikipedia does try to avoid them.

I am talking about all of this because this page's information relies quite heavily on un-combed primary sources.. those that come directly through St. Jude's website. So if you would like to help update links, scroll through the references, look at every citation that comes from St. Jude's website, and see if that same information is provided by another entity that is not associated with St. Jude. And also, any note on the page that says "citation needed" or "better source needed" could also be updated by providing a reliable source.

For example, citation 41 leads to St. Jude's website. But that information can likely be found on a secondary source.

If you would like to help with these issues by writing drafts and finding new sources, it would be greatly appreciated! I am going to look at ALSAC's edit request soon. Is it okay if I close this edit request now; everything's been satisfied here? If you make a draft, that can be a new edit request.

Best-- Kingapresa (talk) 04:52, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Kingapresa,

Thank you so much for all of this feedback! We are going to utilize this to helpfully improve the article and will happily ping you in future to ensure we're on the right track. This request can be closed!

Thank you again~

AliceStacey (talk) 16:10, 6 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@AliceStacey @Kingapresa Cleaning up the backlog...closing this request as requested above. Cheers. Duke Gilmore (talk) 02:49, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest has now been answered.

Hi @Kingapresa& @Duke Gilmore,

Thank you both so much for your time, patience, and efforts helping with the last edit request, I really appreciate it! To continue improving the sources on the page I’d like to request the following changes:

1. Remove sources 11 and 12 from the following sentence:

“Memphis was chosen at the suggestion of Catholic Cardinal Samuel Stritch, a Tennessee native who had been a spiritual advisor to Thomas since he presided at Thomas's confirmation in Thomas's boyhood home of Toledo, Ohio.”

Replace with the following source:

https://people.com/archive/st-jude-childrens-hospital-was-danny-thomas-dream-but-dr-alvin-mauer-makes-it-come-true-vol-11-no-17/

2. Add sources to the following sentence:

“St. Jude has an International Outreach Program to improve the survival rates of children with catastrophic illnesses worldwide.”

Sources:

https://www.stjude.org/global.html

https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/news/2018/05/24/st-jude-childrens-research-hospital-memphis-goes-international/636772002/

3. Add source to the following sentence:

“He was succeeded by current CEO and director James R. Downing on July 15, 2014.”

Source:

https://www.memphisdailynews.com/news/2014/jun/26/st-jude-names-downing-new-ceo/

4. Add source to the following sentence:

“St. Jude Board of Directors is chaired by Paul J. Ayoub and includes Joyce Aboussie, Ruth Gaviria, Tom Penn, and Tony Thomas (producer).”

Source:

https://bostonrealestatetimes.com/two-boston-executives-elected-to-leadership-positions-of-st-jude-childrens-research-hospital/

5. Update the following sentence and remove source 18:

“In 2010 St. Jude Children's Research Hospital was named the number one children's cancer hospital in the U.S by U.S. News & World Report.”

To:

“In 2022 St. Jude Children's Research Hospital was named the second best children's cancer hospital in the U.S by U.S. News & World Report.”

Source:

https://health.usnews.com/best-hospitals/pediatric-rankings/cancer

6. Add source to the following sentence:

“Peter C. Doherty, Ph.D., of St. Jude Children's Research Hospital was co-recipient of the 1996 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine for work related to how the immune system kills virus-infected cells.”

Source:

https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/medicine/1996/doherty/facts/

7. Add source to the following sentence:

“St. Jude Children's Research Hospital won the 2020 Webby Award for Health & Fitness in the category Apps, Mobile & Voice.”

Source:

https://winners.webbyawards.com/2020/apps-and-software/general-mobile-ott-apps/health-fitness/123326/st-jude-childrens-research-hospital-patient-care-app

8. Add source to the following paragraph and remove citation needed tag:

“St. Jude also works with Le Bonheur Children's Medical Center, also located in downtown Memphis.[citation needed] St. Jude patients needing certain procedures, such as brain surgery, may undergo procedures at LeBonheur Hospital. Both St. Jude and Le Bonheur are teaching hospitals affiliated with the University of Tennessee Health Science Center. University of Tennessee physicians training in pediatrics, surgery, radiology, and other specialties undergo service rotations at St. Jude Hospital.”

Source:

https://www.highgroundnews.com/features/LeBonheurStJude071614.aspx

9. Add source to the following sentence:

“The Children's Cancer Center of Lebanon was established in Beirut on April 12, 2002. The center is an affiliate of St. Jude Children's Research Hospital and works in association with the American University of Beirut Medical Center (AUBMC).”

Source:

https://arabamericannews.com/2013/05/24/St-Jude-Children%E2%80%99s-Research-Hospital-born-and-built-from-Arab-American-heritage/

10. Remove following sentence and add source to paragraph:

“In January 1964 the former presidential yacht USS Potomac was purchased by Elvis Presley for US$55,000. Presley then gave the Potomac to St. Jude Children's Research Hospital, in Memphis, to sell as a fund raiser. The hospital was able to sell the yacht that same year for US$65,000.”

Source:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/elvis-80th-birthday-10-fascinating-facts-about-elvis-presley/

11. Remove source 32 and add new source to the following sentence:

“As of 2012, 81 cents of every dollar donated to St. Jude goes directly to its research and treatment.”

Source: https://www.philanthropyroundtable.org/magazine/millions-from-millions/

12. Add source to following sentence and remove citation needed tag:

“In November 2004, St. Jude launched its inaugural Thanks and Giving campaign which encourages consumers to help raise funds at participating retailers by adding a donation at checkout or by purchasing specialty items to benefit St. Jude.[citation needed]”

Source:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/melting-pot-of-partners-raise-millions-for-st-jude_b_59f18f22e4b078c594fa1557

13. Add sources to the following sentence:

“In July 2005, Kappa Alpha Psi (ΚΑΨ) fraternity announced St. Jude Children's Research Hospital as its national philanthropic partner. The fraternity has since raised over $3.1 million dollars for the hospital.”

Sources:

https://kappaalphapsirhotau.godaddysites.com/about-us#:~:text=In%20July%202005%2C%20Kappa%20Alpha,disease%2C%20and%20other%20catastrophic%20illnesses

https://www.stjude.org/get-involved/school-fundraising-ideas/college/greek-organizations/kappa-alpha-psi.html

14. Remove sources 49 and 50 and add new source to the following sentence:

“Lambda Theta Alpha became an official collegiate partner to St. Jude Children's Research Hospital in 2010, aiming to raise awareness about childhood cancer and St. Jude in the Latin community, as well as fundraise for the hospital.”

Source:

https://lambdalady.org/about-us/philanthropy/#:~:text=In%202010%2C%20Lambda%20Theta%20Alpha,on%20a%20national%20philanthropic%20cause

Thank you again for all of your help! Please let me know if you have any questions or feedback regarding this request.

AliceStacey (talk) 14:42, 13 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @AliceStacey,

Sure. Here are my comments:

Request 1: Done

Request 2: Added commercial appeal source, but not primary St. Jude source

Request 3-10: Done

Request 11: Done with slight rewording

Request 12: Done

Request 13: The source that was provided is a blog, which also was primary, as it was run by a chapter of the fraternity. For these reasons I did not include, and instead put a citation needed tag, because the source already there does support the info, yet is primary (from St Jude). Looked myself but couldn't find a secondary. Changed figure $400,000 to $3.1 million, as it seemed to be outdated.

Request 14: Same problem with 13 in that the source is primary. Removed both the existing sources as requested, and added source requested, although also added the same citation needed tag because it should be secondary.

In my last reply to the COI Request 2 conservation, I listed out some sections that could use a rewording for neutrality. While that could still be worked on, it looks like quite a few of the requests made here were replacing primary sources, which is greatly appreciated!

As always, I will leave this COI request open until you can confirm everything's good.

Thanks-- Kingapresa (talk) 06:10, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Kingapresa!

Thank you so much again for your time and effort with another request, I really appreciate it! I would be comfortable removing the information surrounding request 13 and 14 entirely to also remove the citation needed tag. Sourcing for those two paragraphs is few and far between but can be readded in the future if proper sourcing becomes available.

With those two paragraphs being removed, would it be possible to then remove the primary source tag at the top of the page? I made sure to focus on sourcing for this request, and I am working on putting together a new request to address your feedback regarding neutrality to then remove the other two tags in the future.

Thank you again!

AliceStacey (talk) 20:04, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@AliceStacey

Yes, I can see that proper sources for the given information aren't readily available and so it is best to remove the information. Perhaps reliable sourcing will come up in the future.

I went ahead and removed the information surrounding Kappa Alpha Psi and Lambda Theta Alpha and the sources that the information had.

Yes, I think the article is in a good enough place now to remove the primary source tag. Your edit requests helped greatly with that effort. While the article still relies on primary sources, it certainly does not heavily rely on them anymore. I know when I first starting looking at this article, the excessive reliance on St. Jude's own website was a considerable problem. Now, quite a lot of that reliance doesn't exist anymore. I have removed the references to primary sources tag. Although, another editor may disagree with me, and in that case, I would be open to discussion here on the talk page.

I'm glad another edit working on the neutrality is being worked on, I will wait for that to come through. I will close this edit request now. Thanks- Kingapresa (talk) 22:41, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Kingapresa @Throast

Thank you again for all your help so far. Here are the requested changes that target neutrality and weasel words! Please let me know if you have any questions or suggestions.

1. In the intro paragraph remove the following sentence:

“St. Jude treats patients up to age 21, and for some conditions, up to age 25.”

Reason: Duplicate content as it is mentioned in the Hospital functions & effects section.

2. Remove the following sentences from the Awards and achievements section:

“St. Jude and over 46 of its staff members have been the recipients of numerous awards and achievements.”

“It has also been named one of the top 10 companies to work for in academia by The Scientist for 7 successive years.”

Reason: Remove for neutrality purposes and the first sentence is vague.

3. Remove the following paragraph from the Affiliated hospitals section:

“These sites are used as a means of referring eligible patients to St. Jude as well as a location to administer some care. Through the Domestic Affiliates Program staff at St. Jude work together and collaborate with those at the other institutions. Affiliated sites are expected to comply with standards set by St. Jude and are audited to ensure proper and quality care.”

Reason: Remove due to lack of proper third party sourcing. Source that’s currently cited is primary.

4. Remove the following paragraphs from the Funding section:

“In 2019, ALSAC raised $1.9 billion from donations, of which $975 million (51%) went to St. Jude. The rest of the funds were either spent on functional expenses for ALSAC or added to their fund balance, which totaled $5.7 billion at the end of 2019. In 2020, ALSAC raised $2.4 billion, of which $2 billion were from donations and contributions (84%). $997 million (42%) of this went to St. Jude. At the end of 2020, St Jude's fund balance was $8.03 billion. 74% percent of St. Jude's total budget comes from donations, and the hospital costs about $1.7 million per day to run.”

“All medically eligible patients who are accepted for treatment at St. Jude are treated without regard to the family's ability to pay. Families of patients at St. Jude do not pay for treatments that are not covered by insurance, and families without insurance do not need to pay for any expense. All families do not need to pay for travel, housing, or food.

Three separate specially-designed patient housing facilities—

“To cover operating costs, ALSAC conducts many fund-raising events and activities. The WGC Invitational, a PGA Tour event, is one of the most visible fund-raising events for the hospital. “

“Other fund-raising programs include the St. Jude Math-A-Thon, Up 'til Dawn, direct mailings, radiothons and television marketing.^{[citation needed]}“

Reason: Remove due to lack of proper third party sourcing.

6. Remove the following paragraph from the Thanks and Giving section:

“Corporations give customers a host of opportunities to support St. Jude. The ultimate goal is to increase awareness with the hope that people will come to identify Thanksgiving with St. Jude, said Joyce Aboussie, vice chairwoman of the nonprofit's board. The official kick-off event for the Thanks and Giving campaign is the Give Thanks Walk. This event is a noncompetitive 5K that is now held in 75 cities across the country. Those participating in the race are encouraged to form teams, invite family and friends, and raise money for St. Jude. These walks have raised over $11 million to date.“ Reason: Remove due to lack of proper third party sourcing.

7. Remove the following sentence from the Other funding initiatives section:

“One of the hospital's most recent and successful fund-raising efforts has been the Dream Home Giveaway.^[

Reason: Remove due to lack of proper third party sourcing.

8. Remove the following sentence the Other funding initiatives section:

“At various college campuses, some student organizations, fraternities and sororities raise funds in a program called Up 'til Dawn“

And replace with the following sentence:

“Up ‘til Dawn is a program in which college students raise funds for St. Jude.”

Source:

https://www.newhaven.edu/news/releases/2020/st-jude-top-5.php

Reason: Remove due to lack of proper third party sourcing.

9. Add source to the following sentence:

“Phi Mu Delta National Fraternity is partnered with St. Jude Children's Research Hospital.”

Source:

https://myfraternitylife.org/2020/02/25/phi-mu-delta-jams-for-st-jude/

Reason: Provide a proper third party source to remove the opinion tag.

10. Edit the following sentence the Other funding initiatives section from:

“Tau Kappa Epsilon (TKE) a Fraternity partnered with St. Jude, in the 1970s and 1980s to help raise money to fight childhood cancer.”

To:

“Tau Kappa Epsilon (TKE) a Fraternity partnered with St. Jude, announced a commitment in 2019 to raise $10 million in ten years.”

Source:

https://www.tke.org/st-jude/st-jude-history

Reason: Rewrite the sentence to support the new third party source.

11. Remove the following sentence the Other funding initiatives section:

“The fraternity renewed its link to St. Jude as its philanthropy of emphasis in 2008.“

Reason: Rewrite the sentence to support the new third party source.

12. Edit the following sentence the Other funding initiatives section from:

“Tri Delta supports St. Jude nationally and supports cancer charities at a local level. At the hospital in Memphis, the sorority donated the Teen Room for teenage patients to relax and spend time with each other. In July 2010, Tri Delta completed its "10 by 10" goal, raising over $10 million in less than four years, six years short of the original goal. Those funds were used to sponsor the Tri Delta Patient Care Floor in the Chili's Care Center. Upon completion of the "10 by 10" campaign, the sorority announced a new fundraising goal of $15 million in 5 years to name the Specialty Clinic located in the Patient Care Center. Three and a half years later, Delta Delta Delta had raised $15 million and completed its goal ahead of schedule.”

To:

Tri Delta has supported St. Jude nationally and sponsored the Tri Delta Patient Care Floor with funds raised in 2010.”

Reason: Reword to be neutral and properly sourced.

13. Remove the following sentence the Other funding initiatives section:

“Since that time, Kappa Alpha Psi has raised more than $400,000. At the 2008 ALSAC/St. Jude Board and Awards Dinner, Kappa Alpha Psi received the Volunteer Group of the Year Award for their efforts in the inaugural year of the Sunday of Hope program which secured more than 130 churches to participate and raised more than $280,000.“

Reason: Reword to be neutral and properly sourced.

14. Remove the following sentence the Other funding initiatives section:

“Another fundraising is the Country Cares for St. Jude Kids radiothon. During these events, country radio stations around the country allow those involved with St. Jude to share stories with listeners, who are encouraged to donate. The 200 stations involved have helped raise over $400 million since 1989.^{[citation needed]}“

Reason: Replace to be neutral with proper third party sourcing.

15. Replace the sentence above with the following in the Other funding initiatives section:

“The Country Cares radiothon fundraiser began in 1989. Since it started, more than 200 stations have participated and helped raise more than $400 million for St. Jude.”

Source:

https://www.ksnt.com/news/local-stations-taking-part-in-country-cares-for-st-jude-kids-radiothon/

Reason: Remove due to lack of proper third party sourcing.

16. Remove the following sentences the Other funding initiatives section:

“Country artists have also supported St. Jude through concerts, hospital visits, call-ins, and other forms of support.

Since 2001 the St. Jude Memphis Marathon has raised over $90 million for the kids and families at St. Jude Children's Research Hospital. “

Reason: Remove due to lack of proper third party sourcing.

Thank you again for your feedback, time, and effort with these edits its greatly appreciated! Please let me know if you have any suggestions to further help with the tags and improve the article.

AliceStacey (talk) 17:39, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done for now: AliceStacey, you haven't provided reasons for these changes. You may add a "Reason:" below each request and re-open the request by removing "|D|[see below]" from the template at the top once you've done so. Throast ^{{{ping}} me!} (talk | contribs) 16:16, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Reply 1-JUL-2023

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This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest has now been answered.

Hi @Kingapresa, @Throast, & @Spintendo,

Tagging you all for visibility! Thank you again for all of your help so far. I have updated this request to include citations, reasons for each ask, and have targeted neutrality and weasel words. Please let me know if you have any questions or suggestions.

1. In the intro paragraph remove the following sentence:

St. Jude treats patients up to age 21, and for some conditions, up to age 25.^[1]

Reason: Duplicate content as it is mentioned in the Hospital functions & effects section.

 Declined As I understand from reading Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Lead_section, the lead is meant to summarize info found in the article, so duplication isn't necessarily grounds for removal. I think the age guidelines are important for readers to understand the hospital. I think a better argument could be that the info is poorly sourced (the hospital's website is what Wikipedia refers to as a primary source), but there's no reason to question the accuracy of the info. If the goal is to eventually remove the flags, I don't think this statement matters. STEMinfo (talk) 21:29, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

2. Remove the following sentences from the Awards and achievements section:

St. Jude and over 46 of its staff members have been the recipients of numerous awards and achievements.^[2]

It has also been named one of the top 10 companies to work for in academia by The Scientist for seven successive years.^[3]

Reason: Remove for neutrality purposes and the first sentence is vague.

 DoneSTEMinfo (talk) 20:55, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

3. Remove the following paragraph from the Affiliated hospitals section:

These sites are used as a means of referring eligible patients to St. Jude as well as a location to administer some care. Through the Domestic Affiliates Program staff at St. Jude work together and collaborate with those at the other institutions. Affiliated sites are expected to comply with standards set by St. Jude and are audited to ensure proper and quality care.

Reason: Remove due to lack of proper third party sourcing as current link is primary and redirects to a 404.

 Done STEMinfo (talk) 21:07, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

4. Remove the following paragraphs from the Funding section:

In 2019, ALSAC raised $1.9 billion from donations, of which $975 million (51%) went to St. Jude. The rest of the funds were either spent on functional expenses for ALSAC or added to their fund balance, which totaled $5.7 billion at the end of 2019.^[4] In 2020, ALSAC raised $2.4 billion, of which $2 billion were from donations and contributions (84%). $997 million (42%) of this went to St. Jude. At the end of 2020, St Jude's fund balance was $8.03 billion. 74% percent of St. Jude's total budget comes from donations, and the hospital costs about $1.7 million per day to run.^[5]

All medically eligible patients who are accepted for treatment at St. Jude are treated without regard to the family's ability to pay. Families of patients at St. Jude do not pay for treatments that are not covered by insurance, and families without insurance do not need to pay for any expense. All families do not need to pay for travel, housing, or food.

Three separate specially-designed patient housing facilities—

 Declined I added a source for the 2nd paragraph, but I'm not sure removing the funding info improves the article. I think readers will be interested in how the funding works for the hospital. STEMinfo (talk) 21:07, 23 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

5. Remove the following sentences from the Philanthropic aid section:

To cover operating costs, ALSAC conducts many fund-raising events and activities. The WGC Invitational, a PGA Tour event, is one of the most visible fund-raising events for the hospital.

Other fund-raising programs include the St. Jude Math-A-Thon, Up 'til Dawn, direct mailings, radiothons and television marketing.

Reason: Remove due to lack of proper third party sourcing.

 Declined - I think this is useful info, and I added sources instead. STEMinfo (talk) 00:17, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

6. Remove the following paragraph from the Thanks and Giving section:

Corporations give customers a host of opportunities to support St. Jude. The ultimate goal is to increase awareness with the hope that people will come to identify Thanksgiving with St. Jude, said Joyce Aboussie, vice chairwoman of the nonprofit's board.^[8] The official kick-off event for the Thanks and Giving campaign is the Give Thanks Walk. This event is a noncompetitive 5K that is now held in 75 cities across the country. Those participating in the race are encouraged to form teams, invite family and friends, and raise money for St. Jude. These walks have raised over $11 million to date.

Reason: Remove due to lack of proper third party sourcing as the current sources are either outdated, or 404 redirects.

 Done, but not by me. STEMinfo (talk) 20:45, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

7. Remove the following sentence from the Other funding initiatives section:

At various college campuses, some student organizations, fraternities and sororities raise funds in a program called Up 'til Dawn.

And replace with the following sentence:

Up ‘til Dawn is a program in which college students raise funds for St. Jude.^[9]

Reason: Reword for neutrality purposes and to support the new third party source as the original source is a 404 redirect.

 Approved  Spintendo  03:00, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

8. Add source to the following sentence:

Phi Mu Delta National Fraternity is partnered with St. Jude Children's Research Hospital.^[10]

Reason: Provide a proper third party source to remove the opinion tag.

9. Edit the following sentence in the Other funding initiatives section from:

Tau Kappa Epsilon (TKE) a Fraternity partnered with St. Jude, in the 1970s and 1980s to help raise money to fight childhood cancer.

To:

Tau Kappa Epsilon (TKE) a Fraternity partnered with St. Jude, announced a commitment in 2019 to raise $10 million in ten years.^[11]

Reason: Rewrite the sentence to support the new third party source as the original two sources did not support the information and one was a 404 redirect.

WP:CRYSTALBALL.  Spintendo  03:00, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply

]

 Approved  Spintendo  03:00, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

11. Edit the following sentence the Other funding initiatives section from:

Tri Delta supports St. Jude nationally and supports cancer charities at a local level.^[12] At the hospital in Memphis, the sorority donated the Teen Room for teenage patients to relax and spend time with each other. In July 2010, Tri Delta completed its "10 by 10" goal, raising over $10 million in less than four years, six years short of the original goal. Those funds were used to sponsor the Tri Delta Patient Care Floor in the Chili's Care Center. Upon completion of the "10 by 10" campaign, the sorority announced a new fundraising goal of $15 million in 5 years to name the Specialty Clinic located in the Patient Care Center.^[13] Three and a half years later, Delta Delta Delta had raised $15 million and completed its goal ahead of schedule.^[14] To:

Tri Delta has supported St. Jude nationally and sponsored the Tri Delta Patient Care Floor with funds raised in 2010.^[15]

Reason: Reword to be neutral and properly sourced as the current sources are outdated.

 Approved  Spintendo  03:00, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

12. Remove the following sentence from the Other funding initiatives section:

Another fundraising is the Country Cares for St. Jude Kids radiothon. During these events, country radio stations around the country allow those involved with St. Jude to share stories with listeners, who are encouraged to donate. The 200 stations involved have helped raise over $400 million since 1989. Country artists have also supported St. Jude through concerts, hospital visits, call-ins, and other forms of support.^[16]

Reason: Remove due to lack of proper third party sourcing as the source does not support the information.

 Approved  Spintendo  03:00, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

13. Replace the sentences above with the following in the Other funding initiatives section:

The Country Cares radiothon fundraiser began in 1989. Since it started, more than 200 stations have participated and helped raise more than $400 million for St. Jude.^[17]

Reason: Replace to be neutral with proper third party sourcing.

14. Remove the following sentence from the Other funding initiatives section:

Since 2001 the St. Jude Memphis Marathon has raised over $90 million for the kids and families at St. Jude Children's Research Hospital.^[18]

Reason: Remove due to lack of proper third party sourcing.

 Approved  Spintendo  03:00, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again for your time and effort with these edits, it's greatly appreciated! Please let me know if you have any suggestions to further help with the tags and improve the article. AliceStacey (talk) 17:13, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Part of an edit requested by an editor with a conflict of interest has been implemented.

Hi! I’m looking to have the current neutrality and weasel words tags on the page removed. I have been working with editors in the community to help improve the page, and with feedback I have received, I now believe that the page is up to Wikipedia standards. If you would like to review the changes we’ve made to get the page in alignment with Wikipedia guidelines, please reference our above edit requests!

If there are any other changes that could help to improve the page further, I’m happy to start a discussion and work to develop future requests to continue to ensure this article is Wikipedia approved and up to date.

Thank you so much!

AliceStacey (talk) 18:08, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@AliceStacey: This one's easy. Pinging @The Elusive Penguin: who tagged the article back in March 2022. The words he was concerned with are gone, and indeed that entire hospital section has been rewritten and renamed. He may be willing to remove the tags after reviewing. If he's not active, then another editor can review and see that the article has been much improved. STEMinfo (talk) 22:58, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Partially done. Weasel words are gone, but there's way too much fund about funding partnership and such. I also cut out unencyclopedic trivia about celebrity visitors entirely. Graywalls (talk) 20:13, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @STEMinfo and @Graywalls,

Thank you both so much for getting back to me quickly on this, I really appreciate it. In my past request from July 2023, I had included asks to remove information from the funding and other funding sections due to a lack of proper sourcing and neutrality issues. Many of those requests were denied as the editor that responded felt removing the information would not improve the article, however, I would be happy to put in a new request including the removal of this information again if you would like.

Please let me know what you think, or if there is anything else that needs to be amended to improve the article.

Thank you!

AliceStacey (talk) 18:11, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

My concern is about the excessive coverage on fundraisers rather than encyclopedic coverage on fund sources. Graywalls (talk) 18:15, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I was the one who thought the funding and funding events should stay. I'm not sure donors are aware that their donations don't all go to needy patients. A lot of the donations seem to be funding marketing and administrative efforts. This critical article digs deeper into the finances.[4] As far as funding events, I added some sources, but I'll let others look at them and decide whether those activities are worth keeping or not. STEMinfo (talk) 00:37, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think we need in prose break down of where the funds go with proper sources, but all the warm and fuzzy name specific fundraising events should be toned down. I pruned quite a bit. How does it look now? Should I trim even more? Graywalls (talk) 01:02, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think you pulled out the least notable fundraising activities. The sources weren't great. What's left seems fine and notable. If other fundraising activities get better coverage, they can always be proposed to be added. I'll take a look at the Propublica article again with a fresh eye and see if there's any value in adding some of their reporting to keep things balanced. STEMinfo (talk) 21:00, 27 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest was declined. The reviewer has asked the COI editor to make changes to their request before it is reviewed.

Hello again,

I have some more requested changes to help improve the page:

Thank you in advance! Please let me know if there is any feedback or questions.

AliceStacey (talk) 18:46, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Reply 26-OCT-2023

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Regards,  Spintendo  02:03, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest has now been answered.

Hello again @Spintendo

I have made the requested changes to this edit request:

AliceStacey (talk) 17:54, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Reply 6-NOV-2023

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Regards,  Spintendo  22:02, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest has now been answered.

Hello! I have a few more requests I would like to see made to the page:

1. Add the following information to the end of the Hospital functions and effects section:

All medically eligible patients who are accepted for treatment at St. Jude are treated without regard to the family’s ability to pay. Families of patients at St. Jude do not pay for treatments that are not covered by insurance, and families without insurance do not need to pay for any expense. All families do not need to pay for travel, housing, or food. ^[1]

Reason: Provide more context surrounding how the hospital functions.

2. Move the following information from the Philanthropic aid section to after the first sentence of the Funding section:

From 2000 to 2005, 83.7% of the funds received by St. Jude went to operations or investments. From 2002 to 2004, 47% of program expenses went to patient care and 41% to research. ^[2] In 2012, 81 cents of every dollar donated to St. Jude went directly to its research and treatment.^[3]

Reason: This information is more related to the hospital's funding as opposed to philanthropy.

3. Remove the following information from the Funding section:

In 2019, ALSAC raised $1.9 billion from donations, of which $975 million (51%) went to St. Jude. The rest of the funds were either spent on functional expenses for ALSAC or added to their fund balance, which totaled $5.7 billion at the end of 2019.^[4]

Reason: This information will change year over year and will need to be updated. To ensure there are no accuracy issues it makes sense to remove it entirely.

4. Add the following information to the end of the Funding section:

In July 2022, St. Jude updated its 6-year financial plan, stating that $1.4 billion dollars would be invested into the institution's operating and capital budget. As part of this expansion, its renovation and capital funding increased to $2.3 billion, with a focus on investments in fundamental science and training for medical professionals on an international level.^{[5] [6]}

Reason: This helps expand information on the hospital's funding and what is to come in the future without having to constantly update it year after year.

Thank you so much for your help!

AliceStacey (talk) 18:58, 29 November 2023 (UTC) AliceStacey (talk) 18:58, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Reply 29-NOV-2023

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Regards,  Spintendo  04:12, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Spintendo: where was it decided that the article shouldn't make a blanket statement on whether patients must pay? Snowmanonahoe (talk · contribs · typos) 19:27, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest has now been answered.

Hi there,

I have made some adjustments to provide clarification to a few of my previous requests:

1. Add the following sentence to the end of the Hospital functions and effects section:

Patients who are accepted for treatment at St. Jude are treated without regard to the family’s finances.^[1]

Reason: Rewrote based on editor feedback and adding this to the article provides more context surrounding the hospital's functions.

2. Change the section title from “Affiliated hospitals” to Affiliated institutions”

Reason: St. Jude has both hospitals and institutions, however institutions addresses each in the U.S. and internationally.

3. Remove the word “Hospital” from the end of the following sentence in the Affiliated institutions section:

Both St. Jude and Le Bonheur are teaching hospitals affiliated with the University of Tennessee Health Science Center. University of Tennessee physicians training in pediatrics, surgery, radiology, and other specialties undergo service rotations at St. Jude Hospital.

Reason: Hospital is not needed in this sentence.

4. Change the following sentence in the Affiliated institutions section from:

The center is an affiliate of St. Jude Children's Research Hospital and works in association with the American University of Beirut Medical Center (AUBMC).^[2][3]

To:

The center is a partner of St. Jude Children's Research Hospital and works in association with the American University of Beirut Medical Center (AUBMC).^[4]

Reason: St. Jude has formal affiliate clinics in the U.S. but not overseas, so partner is more appropriate. This also addresses editor feedback of too many sources by removing one.

5. Change the following sentence in the Funding section from:

In 2002 to 2004, 47% of program expenses went to patient care and 41% to research.^[5]

To:

From 2002 to 2004, 47% of program expenses went to patient care and 41% to research.^[6]

Reason: Fix minor grammatical issue.

6. Add the following information to the bottom of the Funding section:

In July 2022, St. Jude updated its 6-year financial plan and stated that $1.4 billion dollars would be invested, increasing the institution's operating and capital budget to $2.3 billion. The additional funds will support future construction and renovations for new patient housing and clinical facilities. There is also a focus on research involving structural biology, microscopy, and global childhood cancer care, as well as training for medical professionals on an international level. ^[7][8]

Reason: Rewrote based on editor feedback. This helps expand information on the hospital's funding and what is to come in the future without having to constantly update it year after year.

Thank you!

AliceStacey (talk) 19:21, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Doing... Snowmanonahoe (talk · contribs · typos) 19:28, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@AliceStacey:

1. Currently discussing with Spintendo.
2.  Done
3.  Done
4.  Not done I've found another source that calls them "affiliated". The language secondary sources use is more likely to be closer to what readers would expect the terms to mean.
5.  Done
6. Hm... I don't really know if the mention bears
   due weight
   . It's a bunch of smaller health-focused news organizations (that seem to do promotion on the side? Their about us pages are weird) that are making passing mentions of the event that just parrot your announcement on it. There's an AP News article but it's the same thing.

NB while looking for omissions I found this ProPublica article. Probably worth mentioning. Snowmanonahoe (talk · contribs · typos) 20:15, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]