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Rollback proposed
Am I the only one that thinks there's a whole lot of nonsense being added or moved around here lately? I see very little in the last five dozen edits that's an improvement, and none of it was discussed here on the Talk page, or justified in the
- Agree—probably this is the last good state for the sidebar, but I have only quickly flicked through the changes. If after the rollback Softwarestatistik wants to discuss here on the Talk Page the purpose of the recent edits would be better understood. I suspect there are very few regulars though. Norfolkbigfish (talk) 10:02, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
- Agree as well, way too much too quick. Maybe Softwarestatistik can pick three or four of the edits that they think essential and present those as suggestions here. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:09, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
- Agree strongly Although I am not a "regular", I have noticed these and, personally, I have wanted to make some changes, but have not yet because I have failed to formulate justifications to post here, noting the "Warning: Before changing, adding or removing any links..."; thus, seeing these changes without discussion has bothered me. Now that I look at them, I entirely agree that "very little in the last five dozen edits that's an improvement". Vincent J. Lipsio (talk) 16:03, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
- Comment – I've left a talkback-style message at their Talk page; also, if they have good faith in making these additions, and their edits raise an important question: going forward, we might want to have a discussion concerning approximately how many links would be appropriate in the sidebar, and how to select them. I've started a discussion about this, at the #Inclusion criteria section below. Mathglot (talk) 17:30, 19 October 2021 (UTC) udpated; by Mathglot (talk) 17:56, 19 October 2021 (UTC)]
- Rolled back to revision 1042414672 as proposed after no further response. User:Softwarestatistik, please hold off making changes until there's a discussion about what kinds of things we wish to include in the template. That could take place in the following section regarding Inclusion criteria, or you could start a new section. Mathglot (talk) 17:00, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks! Vincent J. Lipsio (talk) 17:36, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
- Rolled back again. Softwarestatistik—I am sure there are a number of editors willing to discuss this here, but you need to engage. I make no comment on the edits, this is a matter of manners and process Norfolkbigfish (talk) 19:16, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
- Now raised this at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Christianity_Side-boxes. Will hold off rolling back again until that case has been action. SoftwarestatistikLipsioMathglot Norfolkbigfish (talk) 07:24, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
- Rolled back again. Softwarestatistik—I am sure there are a number of editors willing to discuss this here, but you need to engage. I make no comment on the edits, this is a matter of manners and process Norfolkbigfish (talk) 19:16, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks! Vincent J. Lipsio (talk) 17:36, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
Eucharist
- This is a navigation so that those who see this article can find the article more easily — Preceding unsigned comment added by Softwarestatistik (talk • contribs) 12:07, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
- Note: technical TPO: adjusted indent of comment above, and joined it to the comment in the section above this one to which it is clearly a reply. Mathglot (talk) 18:56, 15 November 2021 (UTC)]
- Softwarestatistik, first of all, congratulations on your first reply to a Talk discussion. You didn't really address the topic of discussion, though. The reason you gave, "so that those who see this article can find the article more easily" applies to every link on every nav template and sidebar everywhere; it doesn't say why *this* link should be included in *this* one. As mentioned before, there are 70,000 articles about Christianity, and the sidebar can only hold a tiny, tiny fraction of those. So the question for you is, why Eucharist, and not one of the other 70k articles? What makes this link important enough to be linked from here?
- Secondarily, if there is consensus to include it, this seems like the wrong section of the sidebar.
- Finally, I can't help noticing that English may not be your native language. If so, no matter; everyone is welcome to contribute here. If you feel like you'd like to leave a longer and more complete reply here on the Talk page but you are uncertain how to say it in English, either use an automatic translator like Google translate, or just leave your response here in your language, and someone will convert it for you. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 20:37, 15 November 2021 (UTC)]
- Note: technical
Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Softwarestatistik (talk • contribs) 00:15, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
International
Hello. The division of Christian denominations between East and West is not international, does not include all continents (
- Not really my focus @East West Schism was in the 11th century, before Protestantism and colonialism. I think it is fair to say things have changed since then. Norfolkbigfish (talk) 17:59, 21 November 2021 (UTC)]
Crusading movement
After much debate
- It's one or the other, not both. Crusades is the primary article, whether mainly "MILHIST" or not. Srnec (talk) 00:35, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- Not really sure this is a rationale. Crusades has largely settled its scope on the passagium generale to the Holy Land. Not really sure that the concept of a primary article exists in WP for such a diverse subject—but it is unlikely to fit an article that is a sub-set of an enormous subject—but would stand to be corrected by someone who understood the principles better than me. The two articles are different, and I would argue that an article on the instituition of crusading was a more appropriate fit for this sidebar, although I can see an argument for including both. Maybe it is time for a wider discussion, rather than two editors disagreeing. What do you think? Norfolkbigfish (talk) 09:47, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Norfolkbigfish: You have been reverted in this exact same edit by Borsoka (October 2020), Randy Kryn (twice in September 2021) and by AirshipJungleman29, Mathglot and Walter Görlitz earlier this year. And once by me in 2021. There are two earlier talk page sections that dealt with this. It is wider than two people. Srnec (talk) 17:46, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
- Fair enough, @Srnec, although it doesn't seem quite as black and white as you suggest. Randy Kryn suggested the format of the edit that you have reverted himself. Mathglot has repeatedly reverted to the format of this edit which suggests he didn't object to it but his later edit suggests he has changed his mind. Not one to get overly vexed with now. Good to talk. Norfolkbigfish (talk) 07:51, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Norfolkbigfish: You have been reverted in this exact same edit by Borsoka (October 2020), Randy Kryn (twice in September 2021) and by AirshipJungleman29, Mathglot and Walter Görlitz earlier this year. And once by me in 2021. There are two earlier talk page sections that dealt with this. It is wider than two people. Srnec (talk) 17:46, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
Adding Calvinism under Western Denominations
I propose adding
]- It could be considered more of a theological tendency than a distinct group... AnonMoos (talk) 09:36, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
- A theological tendency may mean that Calvinism could transcend certain religious boundaries, but I think that Calvinism is generally distinct from other Protestant branches (such as Lutheranism), and as such would probably best be placed as a separate branch. GuardianH (talk) 09:18, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
New links
Most of the new links added by helper are those concerning homosexuality. For example
Also, terrorism is not a major topic associated with Christianity. I see no reason for its conclusion and will remove it as well. Durziil89 (talk) 15:04, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
- I agree with User:Durziil89 that the template should be basic in the sense that it should include major topics related to Christianity, (such as the Trinity, Prayer and Creeds). It should not focus on one topic alone, in keeping with the templates of other religious traditions, much like that of Judaism or Islam. That being said, I have restored the de facto denominational list that is a result of teamwork with User:Helper201 and me (with the addition of the Old Catholic Church). I hope this helps. With regards, AnupamTalk 15:41, 29 November 2023 (UTC)