Template talk:Friday the 13th (franchise)

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Maybe there should be some mention of the book Crystal Lake Memories. ISBN: 1845763432. 68.116.99.184 22:22, 13 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I added Tommy Jarvis to the characters because he is one of the most important characters in the Friday the 13th series considering he's in 3 of the movies. More than any other character (Other then Jason and Pamela) wieners 22:40, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I alternated the colors to this template. I hope you like it. Evolutionselene 10:55, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The black top makes it so you cannot view the "v" in the toolbar on the left.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 14:36, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What do you think? FaithLehaneTheVampireSlayer 14:30, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think it's necessary. Freddy vs. Jason isn't directly part of any continuity, so why would it be in the "original" section? It's easier to just list the films as they come out together. They're all part of the same film series, just not the same continuity. Otherwise, how would you do Halloween, which has like 3 continuities.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 14:38, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Film navboxes don't usually have the dates following the films. I also find it disrespectful to the original film's legacy to be listing the year after the progenitor of the series rather than just for the god-awful 2009 remake.

Well, your personal opinion of the remake is irrelevant. Second, if it's "unusual" for navboxes to have dates following a film, how much more unusual is it to have even more unnecessary verbage like "remake" and "sequel to the remake" tacked on? Years are the simplest way to show a reader that the second identical title is actually a film from a different year.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 23:55, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

@Bignole: Would you please explain what your problem is with A Nightmare on Elm Street (franchise) being added to the "Related topics" section? Because as far as I'm aware, the existence of an official crossover movie (along with other material as well) which connects the two universes into a single universe logically and unavoidably means that the two franchises are related, and suggesting the contrary would seem equal to arguing the official crossover movie doesn't exist, whether legally or actually. - TurokSwe (talk) 14:59, 9 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

We only need one discussion, so I'll put it here and for the sake of saving my words I'm not going to point out that the argument works on both templates. The nav box is intended for articles directly related to F13 (or Nightmare on the other...only time I'll put that caveat). The entire Nightmare franchise is not related to the F13 franchise. They share a crossover movie and a sequel comic. Those are both here and on both of those pages both templates exist in case people want to go to the other franchise page. But by listing the entire franchise here, you're insinuating that they are directly connected, when that was just one film.

Additionally, Mortal Kombat isn't related to the franchise either. Jason was a guest character. The franchise itself is not related.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 15:25, 9 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the "Related topics" section is intended for articles that are directly related to the franchise, and the existence of an official crossover movie alone (along with various other material) which officially and unavoidably connects the two universes together into a single universe logically does mean that they are directly related. The number of films that tie the franchises together is irrelevant, because if there's just one crossover film (which there obviously is), then they are directly related, but if there wasn't any crossover film, then they wouldn't be directly related. I don't see your reasoning for how they are supposedly "not directly related". Also, regarding the addition of Mortal Kombat X in the added "Other" section, this section is intended for material that has something to do with the franchise but is not officially part of it. - TurokSwe (talk) 15:59, 9 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

They don't share universe though. They only shared a universe for the 1 film, and the sequel comic. That was immediately ended when they remade the films and started over. It was a one-off event. Nothing more. The films are there in both nav boxes, as are the comics. You don't need to link to the franchise articles, because 99% of the franchise isn't related to the other. It was a single event.

As for Mortal Kombat, you're insinuating that again the Mortal Kombat franchise is connected to each franchise. It isn't. The characters made a guest appearance in the game, nothing more. It isn't like Mortal Kombat somehow was continuing or setting up some story connected to each franchise. It was just the use of a likeness. The nav box is for articles related to the franchise. Mortal Kombat is not related to F13 or Nightmare. They merely had a DLC character appear. That's it.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 19:51, 9 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The very concept of the crossover unavoidably presupposes that they share the same universe in order to share the screen and contribute to the story or else they couldn't possibly do that. It's just common sense. If they just crossed over once with one movie, that still unavoidably means that their universes have been merged into one, regardless if any more crossovers are produced afterwards or not. The number of crossovers is completely irrelevant, it doesn't matter if it was just a "single one-off event" (which it wasn't since a sequel was being planned but unfortunately scrapped), because logically if we have just a single crossover then the two universes have officially and unavoidably been merged into one. You just admitted that the crossover implies that they share the same universe (both in film and literature). The only connection Mortal Kombat has to Nightmare and Friday is that it actually features both Freddy and Jason as playable characters in the game. I'm again not arguing that it is an official part of the franchise and never has, I'm merely arguing that it ought to be mentioned because of said connection, or else it might seem as though you're arguing that Freddy and Jason aren't present in the game (which they are). - TurokSwe (talk) 03:37, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

In that story, yes they share a timeline. The franchises as a whole do not. We're not talking about Alien and Predator here, who have decades of connected stories in various media. Again, the nav box is meant to list directly connected articles. If it was merely an "indirect" connection, it would be in a "See also" section of the article itself, which isn't necessary because both of the franchises link to each other in the article already (thus, we don't have a see also because they already are mentioned in the body in relation to the crossover film). We already link to the crossover film and the comic sequel. Once you're there, you can go to the respective franchises. Outside of those moments, the franchise articles aren't relevant to each other and shouldn't be in the nav box.

The same is true for Mortal Kombat. The franchises are irrelevant as far as MK is concerned and vice versa. It's only relevant on the character pages, because it has nothing to do with the franchise as a whole, only the characters. Notice how we don't link to Robot Chicken in the F13 and Nightmare nav boxes? Robot Chicken has episodes that feature Jason and Freddy, but we don't link RC because the show itself isn't related to the respective franchises. If we linked to every show, film, books, game, etc. that featured the character, the nav box would be filled indiscriminately with tons of links to unrelated pages.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 13:53, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that these links do not belong. Per

WP:NAVBOX#Disadvantages, such links "may inadvertently push a point of view. It may also incorrectly suggest that one aspect of a topic or a linked example is of more, less, or equal importance to others;" or "may not give the reader enough clues as to which links are most relevant or important when this would not be controversial". To the layperson reader, the relevance of A Nightmare on Elm Street is unclear. The relevance of both of them being horror franchises is stronger in general (and not applicable to this template). Same with Mortal Kombat. Its importance in the context of this franchise would be exaggerated if the link were to be included. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 20:51, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply

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