User:Jh12/School articles and deletion

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This is an essay containing my thoughts about deleting school articles. --Jh12 (talk) 20:24, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion

School articles should never be speedy deleted. The speedy deletion process implies that the article would not survive an

Afd and that its deletion is uncontroversial. This is not the case. From my participation at Articles for deletion, non-notable primary schools are often merged/redirected to its school district/locality and secondary/post-secondary schools are frequently kept. I think this is a satisfactory arrangement because it allows school articles that cannot establish Notability
to be redirected to content that already exists on Wikipedia.

As a WikiProject Schools member with a possible

Wikipedia:Neutral Point of View, and Wikipedia:Notability can fall into place. If there isn't enough reliable information, the content policies are useless. Secondly, I rely on Wikipedia:Consensus
. I strongly believe that consensus, decided by the body of editors on Wikipedia, is the most powerful tool available to us. If I believe a school article should be kept and consensus at Afd is against keeping it, I am completely fine with its deletion. The Csd process completely removes the ability to debate and discuss the article, and instead places its fate solely in the interpretation of an administrator.

Burden on the editor

It is difficult for an editor to create a good school article. In my research for

, and High Beam. I have searched through the complete archives of the local television stations, newspapers and magazines. I have used the academic archives of the regional library, local universities, and health science centers. I have used the university subscription services at the Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, and New York Times archives. I have searched through Google Books, Google News, Yahoo!, Excite, MSN, and many other online search engines. It has taken me years to collect several hundred stories and articles from briefly mentioning to comprehensively covering the school.

How many editors are able to go through this much effort for a U.S. school article? Now consider the articles for foreign schools, where access to such comprehensive archives may not even be possible. Take

Island Children's Montessori School, only to have it quickly redirected in an Afd
. It is an action I agree with in many ways because there do not seem to be enough sources to establish notability. But at least it got turned into a redirect. At least any user can still find that work buried in the history. A complete disregard for the time and effort an editor spends to come to Wikipedia and create a page in good faith is to me not in keeping with the spirit of Wikipedia.

Don't worry about Jimmy Wales

I'm not sure why Jimmy Wales has changed his attitude over the years. He once wrote "Imagine a world in which every single person on the planet is given free access to the sum of all human knowledge." — Jimmy Wales, Founder of Wikipedia

He wrote on Nov 7, 2003:

Yet, when I queried him on Dec. 23, 2008 he wrote "No, I would not agree with what I wrote in 2003. I had no idea what an eternal nightmare the schools issue would become.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 16:46, 24 December 2008 (UTC)" Similarly, he would actually chose to delete some featured articles. Which version of Jimbo is to be used as guidance? My answer is that at the end of the day, Jimmy Wales is still only one user and he does not create consensus by himself. Although I greatly value his thoughts, it is the Wikipedia community that really makes this site what it is and it is the community's consensus that provides the best guidance.

See also

User:Balloonman/Why I hate Speedy Deleters