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By the way, I think you do some very valuable work here. Hip hop coverage is very underdone, so we need more younger editors (most are old men who edit about history)^[Humor]. Sad Frosty will get deleted. Don't let that discourage you: most editors here have had an article or two deleted. I have one. It happens to be the best of us. —VersaceSpace 🌃 00:07, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate it a lot. It's been so frustrating trying to create articles for rappers without them being deleted. I've spent so many times trying to make one for Ken Carson and Destroy Lonely. Célestin Denis (talk) 00:23, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ken Carson is notable, and you're making good progress! So that seems likely to work out well. Hopefully Destroy Lonely goes over well too. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask me. I actually work in this topic a lot, so I can give you good insight =P —VersaceSpace 🌃 00:30, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Do you think the draft for

Ken Carson would be ready to be moved in mainspace? Célestin Denis (talk) 00:36, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply

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Yes, I'll move it when you remove the other draft you pasted to the bottom. BTW, you're not supposed to do that without crediting the author. —VersaceSpace 🌃 00:38, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Someone just added the draft someone put at Draft:Ken Car$on for me to merge with the other draft article which I did. I kept the verifiable information and left the other. Célestin Denis (talk) 00:40, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I moved it to the mainspace; btw, if you add 100 more letters to the article, there may be something cooler you can do with it —VersaceSpace 🌃 00:47, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ik I might be annoying, but I was wondering if you thought

BabyTron would be ready for the mainspace. Célestin Denis (talk) 01:36, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply

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You're not annoying. I'd rather you asked me than receive proverbial lashings from an admin. I'll look through them and comment as I see fit. —VersaceSpace 🌃 02:13, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I second what VS said above. The first ever article I wrote on this encyclopedia was declined as being a hagiography rather than a biography. My two cents are that one needs to understand both the general notability criteria and the subjective one very deeply understanding pech-o-KHam (twists and turns) of the both completely. Several articles that merit deletion can be made survive through subjective criteria if argued correctly. Deletion discussions are more about better and reasonable arguments in my opinion than anything else. ─

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Strongly agree. Mooonswimmer 19:45, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Multiple people have vandalized Ken's page, claiming he was born in 2002 instead of his legally confirmed birth date of 2000. I added a note to the beginning of the article and posted about it on his talk page. As you are the person who created the article, I thought you should know.

Also, thank you for what you are doing on Wiki. As a hip-hop producer, it hurts to see popular rappers with notability get removed from the site. ColorTheoryRGB CMYK 17:48, 7 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your recent article submission has been rejected. If you have further questions, you can ask at the Articles for creation help desk or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help. The reason left by Bonadea was: This topic is not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia. The comment the reviewer left was: * See talk page discussion.

• The draft was moved into mainspace, moved back, and then c&p recreated in mainspace where it is currently speedy tagged. The draft history shows a long problematic history with eight declines and one rejection, plus two AfD discussions, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/IShowSpeed (ended as "draftify" in March 2022) and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/IShowSpeed (2nd nomination) (ended as "delete" in April 2022).

• There's a plethora of unreliable sources such as Sportskeeda and Lifehacker, as well as Spotify and Youtube links used inappropriately as references.

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I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at

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Kura might have difficulty passing notability requirements, however K Suave should work easily. I'll see what I can do Célestin Denis (talk) 23:22, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I Also created a draft for rapper Rarri Dream that I would like your help on expanding if possible Blakegrant1 (talk) 11:31, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I just created a draft for the YSL case, and I hope you can help expand the article. Major case involving serious accusations and major people in the hip-hop industry. ColorTheoryRGB CMYK 16:21, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This article would likely end up being merged in the YSL Records Wikipedia. Might be worth the shot tho. Célestin Denis (talk) 16:57, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think it might be worth its own article, given that 6ix9ine has an article for his own trial, which had less defendants and smaller charges. ColorTheoryRGB CMYK 17:01, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Here's the indictment so that information can be more accurate.[1] ColorTheoryRGB CMYK 17:02, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

An article you recently created,

Summrs meets WP:MUSICBIO per 1. Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself. He has received coverage in Pitchfork which is a reliable music publication, alongside other publications such as Lyrical Lemonade. There's plenty of passing mentions of him and other coverage including a mention in a Washington Post article. Number 7. Has become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city; note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including verifiability.

could also be argued considering Summrs' massive influence on pluggnb as a style. Célestin Denis (talk) 22:14, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Summrs, Autumn!, Yeat and Kankan are all extremely influential and prominent figures of pluggnb as a genre. Célestin Denis (talk) 22:17, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Took a look at the draft, here's my interpretation of the sources:

Note that passing mentions are not good enough for sources. Honestly, as an editor, I can't see why it meets WP:MUSICBIO. reppop^talk 22:11, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

His notability per

WP:MUSICBIO comes more with the massive influence he had on pluggnb and his role as one of the most prominent figure of the genre. I will try to source this particular influence. It doesn't help that Summrs as an artist is constantly trying to distance himself from the mainstream and has declined interviews from XXL in the past. He recently signed to 10K Projects and has a song releasing with Trippie Redd soon. I assume more coverage should appear very soon and I will continue to improve the draft in the mean time. I understand he might not be ready for main-space yet. Célestin Denis (talk) 01:58, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply

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If his past albums get re-released under 10K Projects as part of his record deal, I assume he should pass criteria 5. Célestin Denis (talk) 02:01, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Would it be about Summrs? If not, then I still don't think he's notable. 10K Projects is also not an major record label or an important indie label (it's not the big three nor is it an old indie label, since it's only 7 years old). There also needs to be articles that aren't interviews that are still about him. His influence on pluggnb isn't notable either IMO, it's not even its own article and he's only a footnote on the history on the Plugg article. reppop^talk 19:18, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I made an article for Ken's album Project X, and would like help with sourcing. ColorTheoryRGB CMYK 17:46, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. I was curious as to how you attained File:SypherPK icon.svg. The source mentioned is https://www.youtube.com/c/SypherPK, but I can't seem to find the file in that format there (I can only find bitmap images). Is there a clever way you found the SVG file from the YouTube page? – Pbrks ^(t • c) 16:55, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I downloaded the image as jpeg from his YouTube channel, reduced the size and vectorized the image with Adobe. I don't know if that was the right procedure but I thought the .svg format was more appropriate as it is the format used for other YouTube channel logos on Wikipedia. Célestin Denis (talk) 16:59, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I see (I didn't read the file page description all the way!). Please note that per

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Hi. I noticed that you added the UK chart to

Mistake on my end, my apologies. I do notice that in the new link IShowSpeed's song World Cup is currently charted at number 54. Could I use that in the table? Célestin Denis (talk) 00:50, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, you're right. I hadn't even looked to see if it was on the final chart. I'm so used to thinking midweek UK chart peaks are best-case-scenario data that I immediately think half of the songs or albums lower than the top 40 won't even make it anywhere near where they were midweek, but IShowSpeed's song actually ended up better. I've added it to the article. Ss112 01:53, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks a lot, I'm glad the journey towards acceptance is finally over. Célestin Denis (talk) 01:02, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello. I see several days ago you made

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Authenyo (talk) 14:35, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft article, Draft:Pat Stay

Hello, Célestin Denis. It has been over six months since you last edited the

Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Pat Stay

".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material, the draft has been deleted. When you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:41, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of Xaviersobased for deletion

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The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Xaviersobased until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

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⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 01:29, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]