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Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know that you did something silly.

You have been trouted for: muddling locations with a shared name.

Your error was understandable, given that there are three places named Lukyanivka in Kyiv Oblast alone, and only one has an English Wikipedia article. There are two ways to avoid making this kind of mistake when editing Module:Russo-Ukrainian War detailed map:

  1. See whether a Ukrainian version of the disambiguation page is available. If there isn't one linked at the side, machine-translate the name of the settlement and search for its disambiguation page on Ukrainian Wikipedia. By doing this, you would have found uk:Лук'янівка, which lists three locations in Kyiv Oblast.
  2. More simply, you could have spotted a discrepancy in the location: the coordinates for
    Lukyanivka (neighborhood) are inside Kyiv, while the source said the village in question was tens of kilometers east of Brovary
    .

Regardless, thank you for your contributions. —AlphaMikeOmega (talk) 18:26, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

slaaaaaap...thanks for the advice Firestar464 (talk) 02:29, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi again! I see you had some trouble with some of the locations in the ISW's most recent update. Personally, the way I try to avoid errors is to
  1. Search on Google Maps for locations of the same name near the area being discussed;
    • By comparing the locations of search results against the location of the front lines on Template:Russo-Ukrainian War detailed map, it may be possible to determine which settlement is being talked about. Still, at this stage, it is best not to assume.
  2. Copy Google's Ukrainian transliteration of the settlement's name from the bar on the left;
    • This should appear if you click on a settlement with the right name.
  3. Go to the Ukrainian Wikipedia article with the same name as was copied;
    • If the page is for a settlement, see if there is a disambiguation link at the top. (In-browser machine translation is useful here. Unfortunately, I do not believe Preferences>Gadgets>Appearance>Display links to disambiguation pages in orange is available on Ukrainian Wikipedia, but if a link is clicked, it should be clear whether its destination is a disambiguation page from the format.) If there is no link, you can be confident you have the right settlement; if there is a link, click it.
  4. Filter out most settlements by looking only at those in the oblasts you are interested in;
    • Disambiguation pages generally group articles by their oblast.
    • Again, machine translation is useful here; alternatively, you can learn to recognise the Ukrainian Cyrillic for "Donetsk", "Luhansk", "Kherson" etc.
  5. Out of the settlements which remain, use the maps/coordinates on their respective pages to judge whether they are in the correct location.
Incidentally, another thing to note is that in HTML, <ref name="foo"/> is shorthand for <ref name="foo"></ref>, so you can save yourself some typing there. Once again, thanks for your help! —AlphaMikeOmega (talk) 16:56, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Control of Cities: Blahodatne

Hi! Thanks again for your contributions to

Control of cities during the Russo-Ukrainian War
and the related maps. It's good to know you were working on the pages while I was taking a break.

I'd just like to bring up your recent edits regarding

Blahodatne
, and why I largely reverted them, without being constrained to an edit summary. Here's how I believe the claim got to the ISW's map:

  • 7 June: Twitter user Ukraine War Map posts this, which says that Blahodatne was reported retaken, but does not cite a source;
  • 8 June: This is picked up and relayed by Ukrainian military journalist Roman Bochkala here. He does not cite a source, but uses the same map image;
  • 8 June: The ISW does not mention Blahodatne in its text, but to draw its map (which can only ever be approximate due to the fog of war), the ISW cites Bochkala's Telegram post (see here).

So overall, it doesn't appear well-sourced (unless perhaps we can find Twitter user Ukraine War Map's source). It's probably because of cases like this that the contributors who worked on the Syrian Civil War maps decided not to copy others' maps – a policy carried over to equivalent pages on the Russo-Ukrainian War. That said, the ISW's maps are still useful: it's just probably best to chase down the maps' claims to see if you can find the original source. —AlphaMikeOmega (talk) 23:33, 10 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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