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In memoriam

For friends and colleagues of Jerome Kohl, I'm afraid I've got some bad news. Jerome I have enjoyed working with you over the years, and I will miss you. You have done magnificent work here. Link to the obituary. Ave atque vale, my friend. Peace. Antandrus (talk) 17:16, 6 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Gosh this is devastating. His work on WP was so valuable, especially as Gerda said, his contributions to Karlheinz Stockhausen, not an easy task. He was just as knowledgable in early music, and I found myself asking him questions – which he would always respond to with more than I needed to know! RIP... Aza24 (talk) 00:06, 7 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This is crushing. Dr Kohl was one of the most knowledgable editors in the classical music field, and, remarkably, always friendly and even-tempered. His advice was always on point, and his academic research improved every article he touched.

I met Jerry more than 30 years ago in the Usenet groups and related groups. His contributions there were not only enlightening, but often very humorous – his signature was "Légpárnás hajóm tele van angolnákkal." – an obscure reference which puzzled me for weeks.

His death will be felt here and in the real world of music scholarship. My deepest condolences go to his family. Vale, Jerry. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 03:03, 7 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Very sad news. I never realized, until I looked up some Wiki stats a few months ago, that I had left so many comments on his talk page and interacted with him so many times, but I do remember that the quality and nature of his edits were one of a kind. RIP. Toccata quarta (talk) 05:50, 7 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Oh no – this is terrible terrible news, so sad to hear it. Warmest and deepest condolences to friends and family. An incredibly wise and kind editor. What a loss. DBaK (talk) 08:50, 7 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sad. He was an expert for Stockhausen and was involved in most of the music theory articles. You can identify his articles by the unusual parenthetical harvard references. I hope these deprecated references remain. He will be missed. Grimes2 (talk) 09:05, 7 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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  • Sad news, indeed. Long ago, to my question if he knew Stockhausen personally, he wrote:

Yes, I knew Stockhausen personally. I met him for the first time on that 1983 whirlwind tour, which we had planned especially to include a pair of Stockhausen concerts in Vernier (Switzerland). I got to know him a little better the next year, first in Ann Arbor when he came to the University of Michigan for the world premiere of Lucifer's Dance, and then a few months later in Milan for the staged premiere of Samstag aus Licht (of which Lucifer's Dance is a part), and in Florence immediately afterward for the Maggio Musicale Fiorentino, where I conducted an interview with him that was published in Perspectives of New Music the next year. We kept up a sporadic correspondence after that, until in 1996 he asked me to take on the job of translating his TEXTE ZUR MUSIK. I visited him in Kürten a number of times between then and his death in 2007.

Farewell and rest in peace, —Cote d'Azur (talk) 11:14, 7 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I can only agree with what editors wrote above. What a sad loss. What an uncommonly wise and friendly colleague! I learned a lot from reading his comments and following some of his edits when they popped up on my watchlist. Sadly, no longer. Peace to Jerome Kohl's family and friends. ---Sluzzelin talk 14:31, 7 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Terrible news! RIP. Double sharp (talk) 15:11, 7 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Tragic loss. A bright light. El_C 21:57, 7 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • This one hit me really hard. He was just so -- humble about it. He never demanded recognition or trophies. He just labored to get things right, accurate, precise, clear -- no longing for praise or prize -- as low-profile a content contributor as I have known, or noticed, in a long time. I just so *appreciate* people like this. AND he was likely the world expert on Stockhausen, working a day job as an administrative assistant. These are the people who really do the work here. "..and the best labourer dead / and all the sheaves to bind" said Yeats, and it applies here. Rest in peace Jerry. Antandrus (talk) 22:26, 7 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This was a real shock to me. I initially encountered Jerome's published works on Stockhausen when I was studying for my master's degree. His explanations of Stockhausen's processes in Kontakte and Gesang der Junglinge were remarkable; a debt of scholarship I shall always owe him. I was delighted to learn he was a fellow editor here and a far more industrious and diligent one than I! I always marvelled at his productivity and unfailingly decent approach to editing. RIP Dr. Kohl. Knucmo2 (talk) 21:23, 10 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • I have just seen Antandrus's note on the Classical Music Project talk page. A sad loss. The old phrase "a gentleman and a scholar" could have been coined with Jerome Kohl in mind. He was helpful, wise, witty and magnificently well informed. When one saw his signature on a discussion page it was a sure sign of essential reading – enjoyable as well as informative – and it is very sad indeed that we shall not see it again. Warmest sympathies to his family and friends. Tim riley talk 10:20, 12 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Yikes, this is awful news! RIP. Graham87 15:15, 15 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • So sad; I've just noticed. A great Wikipedian, who was really helpful at Romanticism, both in a major rewrite and in anti-vandalism for years after. He'll be sadly missed. Johnbod (talk) 01:08, 17 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Such sad news. I'd been hoping that Jerome (as I liked to think of him) had just been taking a summer break. Now, obviously, one on a cosmic, Stockhausen-like scale. He was clearly unique. And, somehow, he could also make me chuckle like none other. My thoughts go out to his family and friends. (talk) 21:24, 17 September 2020 (UTC) (an ip anon)Reply[reply]
  • This is terrible news. Jerome was a widely respected and liked editor who brought deep knowledge and understanding to a broad range of musical areas. He was always a no nonsense but calming influence here, and will be much missed. Condolences to friends and family. Ceoil (talk) 10:33, 19 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I've only met one nice person on Wikipedia. Be assured that his prolific activity on Wikipedia will continue to create waves of much needed positive influence. Hyacinth (talk) 01:47, 30 October 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This is a very sad loss, indeed. Thanks for everything you have done for this project. Rest In Peace. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 22:53, 20 November 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Just seeing this news now, very sad, many high quality contributions over the years, always fair minded, insightful, and considerate. Will miss you being around. Bye Jerome. Acousmana (talk) 17:02, 14 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I somehow missed that he had died until yesterday. We both worked together extensively on Noise in music. So sad to hear of this, especially so belatedly. I've been wanting Noise in music to become a featured article. With Kohl gone and the other major contributor no longer active on that article, it appears that it is on me to carry on the torch. Rest peacefully, Jerome.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 23:16, 1 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Oh no! I hadn't seen this earlier, either. I'm only a curious visitor to the field of music, but our paths have crossed and words have been exchanged on a talk page or two, and I went away with valuable insights. I can imagine how the presence of such a luminary will be missed here and elsewhere. At least his words live on. My condolences. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 03:27, 9 April 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I am greatly saddened. Jerry and I had an extensive email correspondence several years ago in which he very kindly helped me get "unstuck" and gain an appreciation of atonal and serial music, which I'd never before been able to grasp. It's since become one of my favorite things to explore and enjoy. I came back today with the purpose of letting him know that I had committed a heresy (jokingly, of course) by recently discovering and falling in love with Renaissance polyphony, which I figured would give him a chuckle. Only to find this. He was a great person and a huge value to Wikipedia. We who knew him will all miss him. Rest in peace, TransporterMan (TALK) 23:32, 21 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]


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a minute of silence

a minute of silence

Did you know ... that Matthias Hölle,
a regular bass singer at the Bayreuth Festival,
appeared in the world premieres of
Stockhausen's Donnerstag aus Licht and Samstag aus Licht
at La Scala in Milan? (8 September 2020)

... that cellist, composer, and conductor Rudolf Hindemith
was the brother of the famous Paul Hindemith,
with whom he played in the Amar Quartet,
but later used pseudonyms to hide the relation? (7 September 2020)

I worded these sentences, smiling, thinking of Jerome, - had no idea they would become tributes in memory. Let's make music! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:52, 8 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Seattle Recorder Society

  • "Reflections on Jerry Kohl" (PDF). Recorder Notes. Seattle Recorder Society. LII (1): 4–5. September 2020. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 09:46, 8 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Thank you for sharing! We should write a real article about him, no? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:40, 8 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Draft:Jerome Kohl, not by me. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:27, 8 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply
    There's a list of (some of) his writings on Stockhausen at [1], which could be used to expand the article or ensure it meets GNG. Toccata quarta (talk) 16:02, 12 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    That's great for more than this specific article! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:23, 12 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]


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Thank you for your impact
in improving our knowledge
about contemporary classical music,
especially by Karlheinz Stockhausen:
Licht, Originale, In Freundschaft

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:34, 10 September 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Draft article added citations and submitted for review

Missing Jerome Kohl. Since his passing, he has been memorialized with a 4-page memorial in

Draft:Jerome_Kohl to mainspace. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mscuthbert (talkcontribs) 10:47, 13 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply

Reviewed by El C, helped by many, now live: Jerome Kohl. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:41, 13 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Luigi Nono and Stockhausen at the Darmstädter Ferienkurse

In Freundschaft

Did you know ...

... that Jerome Kohl,
a music theorist of the University of Washington,
was recognized internationally
as an authority on the composer Karlheinz Stockhausen,
publishing a book on his
Zeitmaße in 2017?

(28 January 2021)

In Freundschaft --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:29, 28 January 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

DYK for In Freundschaft

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On 28 October 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article In Freundschaft, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that In Freundschaft was composed in friendship by Karlheinz Stockhausen as a clarinet solo for Suzanne Stephens (pictured), and later adapted to the instruments of other friends? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/In Freundschaft. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, In Freundschaft), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:02, 28 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Jerome's creation. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:22, 28 October 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Schon gewusst?

The German DYK has today:

  • Jerome Kohl, ein Musik­theo­retiker aus Seattle, schrieb 2017 ein Buch über Stock­hausens Zeitmaße.

See also: de:Zeitmaße --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:34, 2 December 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

9 January 2022, for a happy new year to all interested:

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Schon gewusst?

In Stockhausens Bläserquintett
spielt das Englischhorn eine wesentliche Rolle.

(9. Januar 2022)

Did you know ...

... that Jerome Kohl,
a music theorist of the University of Washington,
was recognized internationally as
an authority on the composer Karlheinz Stockhausen,
publishing a book on his Zeitmaße in 2017?

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I hoped for a different "Teaser" (mentioning Darmstädter Ferienkurse, or Boulez who conducted the premiere DYK?), but German "DYK" is even less open to serious information than ours. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:53, 9 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you for sharing, Gerda. I don't work in the area of classical music but am very impressed by the work done on that subject on Wikipedia and the outstanding editors who share their knowledge with our readers. Liz Read! Talk! 19:22, 31 January 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

In Freundschaft

The same place had a line of saying almost nothing about de:In Freundschaft three days ago, which found interest. Today I came to mark 10 years:


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knowledge and modesty
Thank you for helping me consistently, from my second article on, and for adding your admirable knowledge to this project in almost an understatement, about Stockhausen in particular. You mentioned in Freundschaft: making joyous music together, perhaps something playful as this. In Freundschaft, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:42, 25 February 2012 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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I read the conversation again, and smiled - do the same, much needed. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:30, 25 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]