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Incivility and borderline attack at

Talk:Alfons Mucha

Please refrain from making

WP:BATTLEGROUND mentality. — SMcCandlish  Talk⇒ ɖ^⊝כ^⊙þ Contrib. 00:15, 5 February 2013 (UTC)[reply

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Sorry, who is ranting and making personal attacks? By your own account, you didn't bother looking at the short talk page, and even after the section was pointed out, showed no awareness that that affected the move issue, which was very clearly against policy on moves. Nor does your subsequent post show any awareness of, or refer to, the policies regarding article names, let alone any hint of an apology for the out of process move. I know that you have been editing long enough to be well aware of policies, but choose to ignore them. I can't actually remember when we have encountered each other before, but I know that your username triggers a (faint) warning light for me (and I suspect many at ANI). Johnbod (talk) 02:16, 5 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You own your own emotions, and I have no control over how you react to other people's usernames. I have never been RFC/U'd, legtimately AN or AN/I'd, ArbCom'd (other than being mentioned as a potential party in a case I eventually was not a party in), community sanctioned, blocked, or even legitimately warned by an admin for actual transgressions. I have seven and half years experience here, across virtually all aspects of Wikipedianism. Who is ranting and making person attacks? You and Nihonjoe are, for reasons that have been explained to you both in detail. I did not violate any policy on moves; there was a discussion that ended inconclusively over three years ago, neither for or against any particular article title. The content of that discussion is arguably no longer relevant for multiple reasons.

WP:COMMONNAME and the various policies that interact with it in order to understand them. When the RM gets going for real, I will cite them as needed. Dinner is calling; more later if needed, and hopefully it won't be needed. — SMcCandlish  Talk⇒ ɖ^⊝כ^⊙þ Contrib. 03:50, 5 February 2013 (UTC)[reply

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No more here please, & I suggest you reread those policies. You edit summary made it pretty clear you were well aware the move was at the least potentially controversial. Johnbod (talk) 04:49, 5 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Holbein, The Ambassadors

I just reverted your good faith change to this, objecting to "his". My comment did not fully reproduce the link to the archived discussion of singular "they/their" which is here [1] --Wikiain (talk) 00:49, 9 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Whatever. It was silly to restore an inaccurate version when an easy change can be made with less effort. Always link to pages you are discussing on talk please. Johnbod (talk) 02:52, 9 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Excuse me: I suggested that you have another go, rather than me just making the change you have now made which, as I mentioned for your consideration, has been a topic of controversy.--Wikiain (talk) 18:09, 9 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Martin Harrison

You say that Harrison is British . . . surely? I don't know. I haven't read anything, and I know little about him. What I do know is compatible with his being British, but that's all. How do you (almost) know? (Does he perhaps speak with a British accent? I wouldn't know, as I've not heard him speak.) Perhaps you could comment in

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Chemical milling

You said you disagreed with the merge in your edit summary. From what I could tell from reading my source (listed on the Chemical milling page) and the previous Industrial etching article, they described exactly the same thing: chemical etching used in manufacturing and industry. What was the difference? —Kierkkadon ^{talk/contribs} 17:49, 12 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

We should continue this at the merge discussion you prematurely acted on, but ask yourself if the images in the article show the results of the process as now described. Johnbod (talk) 17:51, 12 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please see Talk:Sculpture

JB,

Please see my edits at Sculpture and some explanation on the talk page. In general, I think the layout on highly illustrated articles is now really messed-up, and this is a test case for me. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 21:15, 12 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's certainly not easy, but I'm doubtful that with all the different screen sizes there is a single right answer any more. What looks good on some screens won't on others, and tastes vary. The guidelines have rather given up, & hardly changed for years. Sculpture gets around 2,500 views a day, & also quite a few edits, so reverting back a week may lose changes, & a lot of people see any test. It is certainly a very crowded article for images, but its an overview that has to get a lot in. I'm sure there are lots of equally crowded art articles that are less busy, & more suitable for testing. Or you could copy it to a sandbox & do it there. Me setting my preferences high doesn't impose anything on anyone; are you saying we shouldn't have preference options? The default at 220px is much too low really, but fixing pixels is the better way to go. Actually I do use "upright" parameters every now & then, mostly to scale tall narrow pics down, or boost wide narrow one to go right across the screen. Johnbod (talk) 01:41, 13 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of discussion

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re: edit conflict/undo Trinity

Splitting off Art and gallery images to a new page would be a good way to tighten up this unweildy mess of a page, my shorter summary para created AFTER the split you undid now means both compete for readers rather confused attention MrsKrishan (talk) 03:10, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not since I removed it. I'm sorry, but it really won't do, and the proposed split-off is much too recent to act on yet. But this discussion should be kept at the talk page. Johnbod (talk) 03:12, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Yes, in ictu oculi is an article mainly on the painting. Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:36, 23 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

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	Johnbod, it's people like you that make this project have value. Thanks for your fine, fine work. Drmies (talk) 15:29, 24 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Why, thanks! Flattering, especially from you. Best to all! Johnbod (talk) 15:37, 24 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

DYK nomination of Peiraikos

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Mixture of languages

What about this? : "Neanderthal" language (!!!) + Black African (Aurignacian)languages + "Vasconic" (Solutrean) languages + Uralic(Magdalenian) languages / (& the Indo-European languages in Anatolia and in Caucasus in 7000 BC... The Indo-Europeans came to "France" between 4500-4000 BC.) Regards, Böri (talk) 15:06, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

??? What's this. Johnbod (talk) 15:08, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I asked on Magdalenian talk page: "Were they Uralic?" (at least we know that they were non-Indo-Europeans. They were the mixture of the cultures above.) / Your opinions... Böri (talk) 15:11, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I know. Probably not Indo-European, but beyond that who knows. Archaeologists generally avoid speculating. Johnbod (talk) 15:27, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Peiraikos

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Barbara McClintock FAR

Hi Johnbod - You commented a while ago at WP:Featured article review/Barbara McClintock/archive1. The article has undergone quite a bit of work, and the review now needs additional comments. If you have the time and interest, would you mind returning to the article to expand or revise your existing comments? Thanks in advance, Dana boomer (talk) 16:12, 2 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Naturalism (arts)

I saw your edit where you changed

Naturalism (arts) from an article to a redirect to the disambiguation page Naturalism. Your edit summary said "Redirect to disam, as this covers only painting, & is very inaccurate. Realism

is where this belongs". One of the effects of that is that there are 200+ links which now go to the disambiguation page.

Rather than go into those articles and edit the links there, do you think it would be appropriate to change

Naturalism (arts) to a redirect to Realism

?

Thanks, SchreiberBike (talk) 06:15, 4 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You mean Realism (arts) - well that's what I meant. Yes, I suppose so, with the articles as they are now. Naturalism and Realism, uncapitalized, usually are virtually synonymous in the arts, and both the capitalized movements are covered there. Johnbod (talk) 14:50, 4 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, Realism (arts) is what I meant. I've made the change and avoided a big stack of disambiguations. Thanks, SchreiberBike (talk) 17:37, 4 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks - it's all a bit messy now, reflecting the usage of these imprecise terms, but I think this is the best solution. Johnbod (talk) 17:39, 4 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Conjectural history

This is all Jill Cook-style background. It's a longish new article of mine on 18th century stuff, could get longer but the final section (re India) is worth an article of its own. Related is noble savage but that's fairly much a rambling mess at the moment. I find it interesting that the BM is in effect reinventing the idea of a "natural history", as it would have seemed to those Scots. Charles Matthews (talk) 08:16, 4 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Jacopo Caraglio

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The 200 DYK Creation and Expansion Medal

		The 200 DYK Creation and Expansion Medal
		It gives me great pleasure to garland you with this award. Many congratulations are in order, as you have become one of the "Did you know?" section, increasing not only our knowledge but also beauty, by your focus on art. You have made a huge impact and are a great asset to the encyclopedia. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:29, 4 March 2013 (UTC)[reply ]

Great work! Binksternet (talk) 00:47, 5 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks both! Johnbod (talk) 01:53, 5 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Giovanni Battista Agucchi

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Have you seen this - Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_adminship#Potential_admin_candidates? (Click on the link at the end of Scottywong's post)... Black Kite (talk) 00:29, 5 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I was just talking about how the Anti-Armenianism in Azerbaijan has a "see also" section which includes the page Anti-Azerbaijani sentiment in Armenia. So why can't the other page also have a "see also" section? Ninetoyadome (talk) 21:07, 5 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Neither should have them, as both have links to the other in the lede. Johnbod (talk) 22:44, 5 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank You Ninetoyadome (talk) 01:25, 6 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Johnbod, Given your contribution history, I would appreciate it if you would please take a look. I was referred to you by a mutual acquaintance. If you can find the time, and it is not too much trouble. Happy editing. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 01:07, 6 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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I found this beautiful object while searching Commons for something quite unrelated. There are seven other views of it, which I've now corralled at Commons:Category:Passion of Christ pyx from Sierra Leone. Thought you might be interested in it. Cynwolfe (talk) 17:51, 10 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Those Walters pics are full of lovely things, with good descriptions. I started http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:African_export_ivory to which loads could be added. Like everything else to do with African art, we have next to no coverage. Johnbod (talk) 18:13, 14 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've archived the debate [2]. Nothing more productive was going to come, and the majority approved the motion that info boxes are not always necessary. Seems a good compromise.  Giano  19:15, 12 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. Johnbod (talk) 18:13, 14 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As a laugh, Carl A. P. Ruck seems to think it was painted by mushrooms... History2007 (talk) 15:43, 14 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Crikey - I remember Allegro's paperback going round in my youth. Johnbod (talk) 18:13, 14 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I only found out about Ruck because he wrote a 30 page item at the end of the new version of Allegro's book... History2007 (talk) 20:29, 14 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Noted your edit to the intro of Wells. It's so nice to have people around who can change ones expression for something that is more, rather than less, accurate!

How are you feeling about Pope Francis?

Amandajm (talk) 23:47, 14 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Well, intrigued. I happened to be starting cooking with the news channel on when the white smoke came out, & saw the whole theatrical thing through. I see none of the media have yet pointed out that he's the first Hispanic pope since Pope Alexander VI, something the Vatican Press Office will not be mentioning I expect. We shall see, but I wonder what one person can do. All the best to all! I gather St James' Church, Sydney is going for GA is it? Johnbod (talk) 00:15, 15 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ha! Yes, well I think he's a different kettle of fish, but he may prove just as controversial.

I didn't know St James was up for GA. Last time I looked at it, it wasn't anything like ready for that. Maybe I should take another look!

Cheers! Amandajm (talk) 06:37, 15 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I just took a look. It's only rated C. It doesn't have a banner saying it's up for GA. It needs a fair bit of work.

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They follow the pattern suggested by Art of Europe. Dimadick (talk) 22:53, 15 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Good morning, Johnbod! Isn't there an English term for de:Notname? I have found several cases in JSTOR of English-language texts that just use the German term in italics. Google Scholar, and Google in general, is impossible, as their overly generous search results give me every case of "(he did) not name (somebody or something)" and similar phrases. --Hegvald (talk) 09:03, 16 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There's no direct equivalent term in English I think - you mostly just see "called", "known as", "identified for convenience as" etc. "Nonce name" (see nonce word) was nearly an equivalent, but now sounds pretty outdated anyway. See for example pp. 310 & 317 in The Luxus Phenomenon. I. The Taucheira Painter and Closely Related Hands, Patricia Lawrence, Hesperia: The Journal of the American School of Classical Studies at Athens , Vol. 67, No. 3 (Jul. - Sep., 1998), pp. 303-322, Published by: The American School of Classical Studies at Athens

Article Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/2668476

There are a couple of alternatives I can't remember right now.

Johnbod (talk) 14:39, 16 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Judging from JSTOR hits alone, "Nonce name" seems far less common in use in English than the German term. (Neither of the other hits use it in this particular sense.) Thanks for the reference to Lawrence. I am now curious about the description of something as "having in its panther's face the same accidental expression that recalls a cartoonist's stereotype of a hobo alcoholic".

The German article is probably to weakly cited for a translation to survive the page patrol (and I'm not comfortable with translating it without actually having seen the references it does have, so I'd have to check those first.) --Hegvald (talk) 18:38, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the help, John! Amandajm (talk) 23:40, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello,

The article has been improved significantly since its second nomination which you reviewed. I have listed the article for a peer review. If possible, I would like your review in it. The link to the peer review is: Wikipedia:Peer_review/Jainism/archive2.

Thanks

if you could stick in a reference to your most recent addition at Statue. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 21:38, 18 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What a relief to go check an edit to this page and for once have it be a solid, sourced, improvement. You give me hope in humanity. - Slàn, Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦♫ 02:05, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Can you add anything useful to Adriaen van Cronenburg? He's really hard to pin down. I can add lots more to Commons, just need some free time...! - PKM (talk) 02:31, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, gulp! The whole of JSTOR has only 1 ref, saying (I think) that the Rijkmuseum de-attributed a work from him in 1902. Now that's what I call obscure, but I'll keep plugging. Did you ask Jane23? Johnbod (talk) 23:35, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, I have JSTOR access now too, and was not able to find anything there. Asking Jane is a good idea, will do that. - PKM (talk) 17:11, 21 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It occurs to me you might enjoy knowing what brought me to Doubting Thos. -- search Thomas in [3]. EEng (talk) 09:19, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Don't be a prat, it's below you. —

Yo, guys (& dolls?) Wikipedia is tough enough without having two respected, long time editors squabbling with each other. If you are not careful I will leap into the fray, start with my carping and we will have a pack of administrators on us in no time. Remember deep breaths – oxygen to the brain does wonders. If that does not work, a cup of tea (Ceylon or Darjeeling only) should do the trick. Carptrash (talk) 16:12, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an

To avoid being blocked, instead of reverting please consider using the article's

I responded to your comment on the article talk page. Thanks. Alexandrathom (talk) 20:37, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I saw it - it's on my watchlist & there's no need for a note thanks. I hope you'll be able to get on to African art, which is a real mess. Johnbod (talk) 20:39, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I saw your comment on Crisco's talk page and I thought I might weigh in on it. I don't think that putting it in on Easter Monday is a good idea because Easter Monday co-incides with April Fools Day and I don't think it would be right for a serious article such as this to go in with a lot of "humourous" entries. But that's just my opinion The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 17:39, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No, I agree, I only realized that later. Johnbod (talk) 18:02, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I applaud that caution. Doubting_Thomas#Girdle_of_Thomas would be especially susceptible to ungenerous misinterpretation. EEng (talk) 02:01, 29 March 2013 (UTC) P.S. If you'll let me know when your current manic burst of energy has spent itself, I'd like to give the article a copyedit pass -- not to say it especially "needs" it, but I take great pleasure in stylistic tinkering, particularly when there's something else I really ought to be doing in real life.[reply]

I see from your userpage that you've run into him too. [4] EEng (talk) 22:06, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, although latterly we got on pretty well. Castelseprio was the main bone. He doesn't seem to be around much now. Johnbod (talk) 23:48, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well, we're all for Latterly harmony, of course. Don't know if you read through my long post to him, but it was the contrast between all that labeling of other editors as stupid, versus [5]], that first brought him into my Who you calling illiterate? column. EEng (talk) 02:39, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there - Regarding Template:Did you know nominations/Group of Monuments at Mahabalipuram, I responded on the nom page. I think that what was unclear was that the pages were worked in Sandbox from 1-1-13 until their nom date. Thanks for looking them over. --Rosiestep (talk) 01:07, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

See the post from Cynwolfe on TK's talk page. Would be interested if you had any insights. Ceoil (talk) 14:53, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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