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DYK nomination of Rock relief

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Hi I have done some correction. Please see this.Arman ad60 (talk) 03:48, 1 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Duplication

Hi Johnbod With this edit [1] you added a bunch of duplication. The information is in the paragraph right below the one you added. Pretty much the exact wording. I wont revert it, Im trying to stay away from reverts unless its something I did, I leave that to you after you look at it. AlbinoFerret 03:38, 6 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

(ec)Ok, thanks, fixed. But I think it is better to get nicotine out of the way first, if only because there is undoubtedly lots of it in e-juice

Thats fine, I am not stuck on anything or any order. More editors working on it will make the article better. AlbinoFerret 03:52, 6 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Did you mean to also remove "The cytotoxicity from using e-cigarettes is unknown" ? or did you just not notice it was there? AlbinoFerret 03:57, 6 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, the latter, sorry! Johnbod (talk) 04:00, 6 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

But I've moved it now - it's not just about nictine, or cancer. Johnbod (talk) 04:16, 6 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good, I did go through the article, but I am all for others jumping in and changing, moving, adding. Better articles result! AlbinoFerret 04:18, 6 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Mystery Wolff at AE

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Alexamenos graffito

I see you popped up on this page after me. I hope you're not following me around Wikipedia. Jonathan Tweet (talk) 15:39, 11 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I hope you are not working your way through my watchlist (which would take a while). Look at the history. Johnbod (talk) 15:48, 11 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Arabesque (Islamic art)#Merge discussion

Hi, I think we have a mandate to conduct the merge as you suggested. Basically there's consensus for a merge to end up with Arabesque (art), which I'd say should be the default target/primary meaning for Arabesque (so the other articles should be listed under Arabesque (disambiguation)). Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:52, 15 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm fine with that, and I'll copy this to the talk page there. Do you want me to do it? Some might prefer to see it go straight to Arabesque (disambiguation) - with ballet and music it's arguable there is no clear primary meaning. I'll look at the views. Johnbod (talk) 14:55, 15 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Please do; and to whichever target you think best. In older discussions I think you favoured the (art) variant. Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:10, 15 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, will do - yes Arabesque (art) if the plain term cannot be justified. Johnbod (talk) 16:25, 15 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The plain term is currently a dab page, but really all the other terms do seem secondary - obvious enough in the case of European art, but also true of the ballet position and its use in music. Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:29, 15 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Certainly they all derive from it, but it is their relative prominence now that matters - no doubt most balletomanes have little idea about the art. Johnbod (talk) 16:32, 15 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hard to compare different artforms, of course. Still, it's a mess having all searches arrive at a dab page. FWIW Oxford put ballet first, while Webster puts Islamic ornament first. Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:54, 15 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Views in last 30 days:

• Disam 3516
• Arabesque (Islamic art)
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• Arabesque (European art)
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• Arabesque (ballet position) 2128
• Arabesque (classical music) 888
• Deux arabesques
  (Debussy) 1545
• Arabeske (Schumann) 389
• Arabesque Records 162
• Arabesque (rapper) 122

...and so on. So the 2 art ones combined are over double the rest combined, and over 4x the next largest. Just under double if

Deux arabesques is included, but that is a different term, like Arabeske (Schumann). So yes, I think the plain term with a hatnote is ok. Let's continue at the talk page. Johnbod (talk) 17:10, 15 December 2015 (UTC)[reply

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DYK nomination of Adoration of the Shepherds (Poussin)

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Articles implied by the Islamic art template

Several articles are implied by the hierarchy in the template, which seems to be stabilising in its new form.

I have written a new Islamic embroidery, using most of the available images from Commons in the process! There aren't many that I can find, but no doubt more are tucked away in odd corners. Any suggestions for improvement (and new articles) welcomed! Chiswick Chap (talk) 17:14, 16 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks - don't get me started! Islamic bookcover, Islamic silk, most periods of regional art other than Safavid art, Qajar etc. Arabic miniature is especially poor. Johnbod (talk) 17:19, 16 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, well, as a biology editor I'm ideally qualified to talk, but I couldn't help noticing a gap or two! Is there a better page than here that can serve as a forum or aide memoire for folks to list tasks such as these? Chiswick Chap (talk) 17:31, 16 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Islamic art I think. There certainlly aren't enough people interested to start a project. Johnbod (talk) 17:32, 16 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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"Significance in Islam"

Hi, do you know where this section of the arabesque article came from? It might be the product of considered reflection on established sources ... or a bit of rampant WP:OR by an IP editor. If the latter, a bit of surgery might be in order. Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:47, 19 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It's what I thought just about worth keeping from this old version, plus my distancing first para. In fact I'm sure it could be referenced, as many Islamic authors come out with this stuff, not least the late Titus Burckhardt, who makes most Western art historians froth at the mouth, but was long accepted as an authority on Islamic art. And it has some validity no doubt; the few contemporary Islamic writings take this sort of approach too. Johnbod (talk) 16:45, 19 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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By the way...

An expert is needed here. Nobody KNOWS for sure how the original looks like. Hafspajen (talk) 13:47, 23 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Many thanks! All the best for the holidays, Johnbod (talk) 17:10, 23 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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No, I have to go to bed. But some of your changes are not good at all. Don't expect them to last. Johnbod (talk) 04:28, 25 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. Am happy to discuss. There was a lot of edit conflicts their on my end anyway so apologies.

Agree the prior wording about duel use was not very good. Have adjusted it to more closely match the sources.

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Hi Johnbod. I noticed you've invested some time in the Shroud of Turin article so I was wondering if you could take a quick look at my suggestions to improve the neutrality of some specific wording, outlined at its Talk page and contribute your thoughts? I know with the lead-up to Christmas editors have had other priorities, so if wikipedians do see any merit in my suggestion I'd like the community input. If not, I'll move right along. Much appreciated! 121.216.197.53 (talk) 04:26, 27 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Johnbod, I hope you had a fine Christmas. Two months ago you helped me with my FAC for the Jacob van Ruisdael article. I just put it up again. Hopefully this time around it does get some votes. I made some more changes as well, hopefully for the better. Please have a look. Thank you. Edwininlondon (talk) 14:22, 27 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hello John. I've been perusing Don Hitchcock's site, where I found a fascinating page devoted to Stone Age discs (or rondelles), which he thinks may have been used as spindle whorls. Do you, or any of your talkpage watchers, know anything about these artefacts? I can't find any mention of them on WP, perhaps a new article may be in order. Regards. --Hillbillyholiday ^talk 06:30, 29 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Very little. Weights is I think the usual explanation, also for fishing/hunting nets. Johnbod (talk) 09:21, 29 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I hadn't heard those hypotheses, but I think the fairly precise centering of the holes lends itself more towards spinning. Googling Stone Age discs/rondelles doesn't come up with a lot, but there are a few results when one adds "whorl" as a search term. The images on Don's site do seem to resemble what are probably Iron Age whorls and are definitely medieval ones. Anyway, thanks for the reply, I think I'll leave the old discs for another day as I'd rather start an article on the Grimaldi Venuses. Cheers. --Hillbillyholiday ^talk 10:03, 29 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have reverted your last revert of my removal of content recently added to this article, Massacre of the Innocents. I assume your edits were done in good faith, but I hope you will be more careful. Apart from coming close to an WP:EDITWAR, you essentially take responsibility of restored content. Had you taken a closer look at the content or my explanation on the talk page I don't think you would have concluded my edit summary was misleading. Just a friendly reminder. Thank you. 63.197.119.253 (talk) 18:12, 29 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No, to call material that is clearly referenced OR in an edit summary is certainly misleading. And of course it turned out to be copyvio, not OR. I suggest you get an account (if you can) and start editing more carefully. Johnbod (talk) 18:19, 29 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I included it was OR & Undue and explained this on talk prior to your second revert. OR mostly for first paragraph citing primary sources to make editor's argument, which turned out to be apologist website's argument. I take responsibility for not recognizing edit as copy vio copypaste sooner, but edit was sloppy OR and clear undue. I don't think you can defend it as otherwise now knowing where it came from. Still, consensus building for new content is important and your reverts prior to discussing objections were counterproductive. I think erring on the side of caution is preferable and actual policy as far as I can tell. Thank you for your advice. 63.197.119.253 (talk) 18:32, 29 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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I did read the post before you removed it. You had an interesting point of view. It is a red flag when a source misrepresents the material its views are based on and may lead to questions of its use on reliability grounds. AlbinoFerret 17:32, 3 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Well the review has 3 sourceson the point, not all of which I can see, but they don't represent that one terribly well. Johnbod (talk) 17:49, 3 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi! I assume that you have quick failed this GA nomination. But it hasn't been closed properly. Talk page and elsewhere still show it as open. Can you please close it? §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 08:16, 8 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but these templates are a mystery to me. Do you know how to? I now see you made good comments back in August, more detailed than mine, so maybe you should close it anyway. Johnbod (talk) 13:14, 8 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

 Done that now. It actually was easier than I thought, by just following Wikipedia:Good_article_nominations/Instructions#Failing. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 05:13, 11 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Just a quick note, per closure of this discussion you'll have the opportunity to propose more deletions in the tree of Category:Celtic Christianity if you wish. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:58, 9 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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i just am appliyng the same that the people made with Catalan churches, it make seen as different types of churches when within that context should be same, you apply that "wikipedia law" also with the Catalan churches, or let modify it to be in line with the rest of Spanish churches, answer me please, for get a conclusion--Vvven (talk) 17:42, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No, they are completely wrong, and should not have done that. You will see that French, German and Italian churches do not follow this pattern, nor do most Spanish ones. Johnbod (talk) 17:46, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

And I see that in fact NONE of Category:Churches in Catalonia use this style either, which saves me correcting them. Johnbod (talk) 17:50, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

begin to appply the same meausres in this Template:Benedictine monasteries in Catalonia. you must see the large amounts which the same problems that you say in these change that i try to propose Category:Romanesque architecture in Catalonia, Category:Modernisme architecture in Catalonia, with repetitive "...de...", "...d'...", or "Casa...", make the same with the other autonomous communities or let me put these names for the churches in the rest of Spain--Vvven (talk) 17:55, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

addition to that template and 2 categories, i found other

see this article Catalan Romanesque Churches of the Vall de Boí--Vvven (talk) 18:06, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

See this, "Seu" means "cathedral" practically all cathedrals in catalonia, are named Seu, f.e. Seu Nova (new Cathedral), Seu Vella (Old Cathedral, Seu de..., man, you need to change much in catalonia, or let me put the native names to the rest of Spanish churches, also could be an option--Vvven (talk) 18:11, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

there large amounts of articles, including some world heritage sites, with Palau instead Palace.......Vall de, or Vall d'... Hospital de.....

As i said need to be in line with the rest of Spain, and even being of the same country, because is a kind of promoting, it heard the name good with its native name, for me there no problem, the wikipedia have could be open, because there is just a way to name this churches, but that be in all Spain, not this favored region--Vvven (talk) 18:22, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, there are some, all by I think 2 authors, but they are still wrong, and I will tell them so. With secular buildings "Casa", "Palau" etc it is not so bad, and place-names such as "Vall de" are fine, but there is no need to keep churches fully local. No doubt the locals at Fontclara just call the church "Sant Pau" anyway, not "Sant Pau de Fontclara". Johnbod (talk) 18:44, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry to add to discussion as an outsider, but I disagree with changing, for example,

I'm neutral on the cathedral; both work ok & there is no established style afaik. I'm not clear which you agree with at Manresa -

Santa Maria de Manresa or Santa Maria, Manresa? Johnbod (talk) 19:04, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply

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Rococo1700 Why are you interested in matain the name of Santa Maria de Manresa and not San Isidoro de León (instead of Basilica of San Isidoro, León) if for start has the same historic relevance, with the confusion with other abbey in the town, i have to say that all Spanish towns as smaller as its are, it there more than three churches.--Vvven (talk) 21:13, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Other Catalan churches with same that i ask for the Castilian churches: Sant Benet de Bages, Santa Maria de Serrateix, Sant Ponç de Corbera, Sant Esteve de Banyoles, Santa Maria d'Amer, Santa Maria de Ripoll, Santa Maria de Roses, Sant Miquel de Cruïlles, Sant Pere de Besalú, Sant Pere de Camprodon, Santa Maria de Montserrat Abbey, Sant Salvador de Breda, Santa Maria d'Àneu, Santa Maria de Gerri, Santa Maria de Gualter, Monastery of Santa Maria de Vallbona (in the municipailty of Vallbona), Bodegas Güell (Guell celler), Catalan Romanesque Churches of the Vall de Boí (Sant Climent de Taüll, Santa Maria de Taüll, Sant Joan de Boí, Santa Eulàlia d'Erill la Vall, Sant Feliu de Barruera, Sant Quirc de Durro, Santa Maria de Cardet, Santa Maria de Cóll.--Vvven (talk) 21:13, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Some of these, like

Santa Maria d'Àneu are famous and the full name, including the place, appears in sources in English. But this is not the case for most of the churches, either in Catalonia or the rest of Spain. Johnbod (talk) 21:34, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply

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Are famous is due to has many years this article with this name in wikipedia in english, and take this as the formal name for English, due to articles in wikipedia. here there a large list with cathedral named with the native Catalan word that means "cathedral" "Seu", or old cathedral Seu Vella, or new cathedral "Seu Nova" followed by of (de, d') and the city: La Seu (disambiguation)--Vvven (talk) 21:40, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No, "are famous is due" to many mentions in books from years before Wikipedia was invented - look at the link. Also please look at Category:Roman Catholic cathedrals in Catalonia. Johnbod (talk) 21:48, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

A suggestion, i think that it could put in the article "this church also can be called Santa Maria d'Arneu, and the name of the article "Santa Maria, Arneu", applying the same rules of the rest of churches in Spain--Vvven (talk) 21:52, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

So, you arent answer to me or change the name of the catalan "wrong named" churches, if you will not, so i will make change the name in the rest of Castilian churches--Vvven (talk) 15:12, 23 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I have changed some and will, since you insist, change others, but you do not have the right to demand that I do so to your timetable. The rules are clear - why don't you just follow them? See

WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Your attitude verges on being disruptive. You can of course change them yourself, which would be the constructive approach. Johnbod (talk) 16:36, 23 January 2016 (UTC)[reply

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I dont tried to mean disruptive, less offensive, is just sound that maybe due to my little knowledge of English, is misunderstood, sorry, i recognize i was direct, but that is not wrong, in just a way of debate, thanks for help--Vvven (talk) 23:48, 23 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, sure, no worries. Johnbod (talk) 01:55, 24 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Your statement that I am categorizing items according to provenance is uninformed. You are flat out wrong. I was trying to categorize paintings according to location. For example, Juan de Pareja is a painting that is part of the Collections at the Metropolitan Museum of Art, a collection in New York City. The provenance of the painting includes Cardinal Tommaso Ruffo, Rome; Litterio Ruffo, 2nd Duke of Baranello, Naples; Vincenzo Ruffo, 3rd duca di Baranello, Naples (1772–76; sold to Hamilton); Sir William Hamilton, Palazzo Sessa, Naples, and nearly a dozen other owners. Look up MMA information, then go to object information, then to provenance.

Please look up the definition of provenance before you make uninformed accusations.

Second, I did not say I did not make the changes, just that I couldn't recall what my role was in the process, and that even if I didn't, that I supported the change. You pointed me to here? that I had not created and to which I had not deleted any categories, instead I had added more. Next time organize your thoughts better before you complain.

Third, before you make such changes, you should discuss this with other editors. Again using the same criteria that you are using above, "But this is not the case" that is used for other collections. Period. You are using arbitrary personal criteria for making a decision and avoiding precedent. I think your category is arbitrary. I believe, the primary entry should be category:Collections in the Borghese Gallery, and making those works formerly in the called, works formerly in the collection, if they should be so assigned at all. (see provenance argument above).

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I wrote this up (partly incorporating text from a subtopic) so as to have something in place before mysteries of Isis, which links to it, appears on DYK. I'm having a hard time figuring out which categories it fits in, though. What categories would you use for a modern metaphor and artistic motif that is based on classical sources (but not a myth or story)? A. Parrot (talk) 00:35, 28 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Great stuff - all news to me! I've had a go. I'm off to the BM "Egypt, faith after the pharaohs" today btw. Johnbod (talk) 07:55, 28 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Cool. Late Antique Egypt was a very interesting place. Chalcedonian and non-Chalcedonian Christians fighting in the streets of Alexandria, monks going out into temple ruins and supposedly fighting demons there, and ostensible Christians invoking the name of Isis (whether or not they remembered who she was) to make the neighbor's obnoxious dog stop barking. There's a letter of complaint to the governor of the Thebaid from 567—just three years before Muhammad was born—that suggests a group of Nubians got into the Temple of Isis at Philae and started worshipping her there again, more than a century after the family of priests who had run the place died out. That incident may have been the occasion for the transformation of the hypostyle hall into a church. A. Parrot (talk) 21:07, 28 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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