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Ok, OTRS like OTRS, but the logo was changed, that logo is no more the logo that is used by the club. Rhinen

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Hi Ruthven, this account on it.wiki is a confirmed sock of 84101e40247 (see this archived sock report). Considering the way that they make socks, I thought you may want to take a closer look. Cheers,
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@Berean Hunter:  Done Thanks. I haven't found any other sock on it.wiki for the moment, and the other accounts haven't edited there. Lemme know if there are some developments. Cheers! --Ruthven (msg) 09:30, 18 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks Abishe. For the references, they are all in the page. If you check the Treccani, there are all the information I added and even more, but I feel that it's pointless to repeat the same reference to every sentence. Soon I'll write another page to link this one. Cheers! --Ruthven (msg) 17:04, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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If that's the case, then how are youtube channels like Failarmy, KhilliBuzzChiru, chottochele, BadmasBipua, SSTroll and so on uploading others' Tiktok videos, Insta reels? Not only this but these YouTubers are trolling, abusing the original creators and using their videos they’re making money, and yes that too without permission.

Also, YouTubers like magicshowfootball, 6oonclassic, NinetyVirus, Football-Show, TeoCRi  kGZ, soccerprime697, J9Studio, AshStudio7, Score90 and so on are using live football matches videos with some edits on their channels. No! none of them are affiliated or associated or authorized with those tournaments or by fifa or by leagues. Some of them even have subscribers in millions and are also verified by youtube.

They literally making money with those videos so aren't they violating copyright?

Scenario 2:

Even many free images are also selling ”as it is” on photo selling sites like shutter stock, adobe stock. Need proof? Here are some of them:

Example 1: Where these same images are freely available (meaning free commercial license) in Pixabay 1, Pixabay 2, Pixabay 3 these are also available on photo selling site Alamy 1, Alamy 2, Alamy 3

Example 2: Where these same images are freely available (meaning free commercial license) in Pixabay 1, Pixabay 2  these are also available on photo-selling site Adobe Stock 1, Adobe Stock 2

Example 3: Where these same images are freely available (meaning free commercial license) in Pixabay 1, Pixabay 2, Pixabay 3 these are also available on photo selling site Shutter Stock 1, Shutter Stock 2, Shutter Stock 3

Example 4: Where this same image is freely available (meaning free commercial license) in Pixabay, it is also available on photo selling site Dreamstime

Note: All of them from Pixabay (The 2nd best free image source after Wiki) are either featured in the Editor's Choice or Outstanding by Pixabay which means it was reviewed rigorously by the team to choose if those are genuine or not.

As the photos are selling without the original author’s permission (yes, the Pixabay and photo selling owner are completely different - checked through their social medias and names) so aren't they violating copyright?

Scenario 3:

Even I got many promotional emails (as I subscribed) from “Trademark Factory” ( a company that registers copyrights and trademark like stuffs) is using others’ gifs in the emails. You may say ohh they are doing that because it’s meant for personal use. No! It’s not! Promotional emails are also a commercial asset and many are buying products from those email links. How can that be meant for personal use?

I got a image in my emali in which they’re using others' copyrighted materials (yes the below image not belongs to them):

That image was originally taken from the Buzzfeed

I have many of these. But due to laziness, I just mentioned one.

So aren’t they also violating?

Then you might say Youtube and Wikipedia are different at their field. But they originate from the same country "USA" and isn't the copyright law apply equally to them?

On the other hand, I just uploaded photos that were modified as such which makes totally different from the original photos. Where these YouTubers literally using others clips without permission and making money.

Where I just uploaded them for nonprofit - wiki and obviously want to help travelers. How? Because as most of them seek wikipedia for many travel related infos, if they get appropriate images with that it will be greatly helpful.

Even most of the news websites use others image just by citing the source. Is just citation enough to bypass the copyright and that too without permission?

My Intention:

To be honest, I have no bad intentions at all in uploading these images.

1. I uploaded Belgharia Railway Station.png, Agarpara Railway Station.png, Barahat railway station.jpg, TEMPERATURE DANGER ZONE.jpg because there were no better images portraying the station/subject or the previously uploaded image were insufficient in portraying the station/subject.
2. I uploaded Sealdah Station.jpg, because that will give better comparison between past and current view of sealdah station with the image  Sealdah Station (BOND 0481).jpg with the image Like this:

1. I uploaded Eleta Kingsley.jpg because there was no other image of him.
2. By uploading images on wiki, I really want to help travelers and people who are hungry for knowledge. Travelers will get appropriate images along with infos. Seriously I felt this too helpful and needed when I have gone through this situation while traveling to mnay places.

Modification:

Below I am mentioning the images I modified:

Agarpara Railway Station.png was modified originally from https://goo.gl/maps/eShLwydsyoN5Bifg6

Barahat railway station.jpg was modified originally from https://goo.gl/maps/gq4AVizsbd6oKDYV8

And the similar was done for the images Belgharia Railway Station.png, Eleta Kingsley.jpg, Sealdah Station.jpg, TEMPERATURE DANGER ZONE.jpg, Habra Railway Station.png (on these images collection from 3rd parties was involved but with modification)

But also note: Among my uploaded images 1) বন্ধু (Friends).png; 2) খাদ্যের গুনমান নির্দেশক.png 3) Old Sealdah Station.jpg the first two I completely own.

For 1) I am the photographer and the editor for this image. I reuploaded this (originally uploaded in 2020) because I uploaded it with my site’s name in the photo, caption, and even in the description. That’s why I  allow deleted the photo and again uploaded it. The pic was drawn on my finger and captured by me.

For 2) I edited this photo from the starting to finish by myself through photo editing software. So, yes in these 2 photos, no collection or source was made or any 3rd parties were involved. I completely own and photographed these.

For 3) It was already proven (though no way I ever claimed myself as the owner of that photo). It’s in the public domain and found on a 1900s postcard see the proof here.

In Short:

1. Is modification on images violate copyright? Except for the 3 images বন্ধু (Friends).png; Old Sealdah Station.jpg; খাদ্যের গুনমান নির্দেশক.png simply delete those rest other files If modification still violates the copyright! If not, please keep them!
2. I used modification on the image as such that it looks different from the original. Still people on the internet like youtubers, news agencies are using others images “As it is” and that too without permission. And they said they can use others as long as they cite others. Yes, I heard good YouTubers saying that citing images of others is enough: Source What? Is this called copyright? Just cite others and now you can use them? If that’s the thing then what is copyright? To what extent it can be used?

One more thing to ask: As per wiki CC4.0 stated Wikimedia images can be modified and used if it is distributed under the same share-alike license means CC4.0. I just want to ask if I use Wikimedia images as it is or modified in commercial blog posts or in any commercial writings, is this completely fine to use? Mean, is this copyright-free to use?

(I added many images while sending this same message to the VRT by email but as I can't add images here you can consider the sourced links)

Thank you, (talk) 16:35, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I suppose that TheAafi already answered you on certain points.

very probably Youtubers are violating copyright with their videos. Generally YouTube de-monetize those videos (so, they don't always make money), but takedown requests from the copyright holder can happen. On Wikimedia projects we do not accept copyright violations and we do check if the uploader has the rights to upload a file (which is kind of unique in the Internet panorama).

To go back to your question. You can modify an image that is published with a license that allows modification. E.g. Old Sealdah Station.jpg is in the public domain, so you can edit and re-publish it without needing anything. On the other hand, if you published photos on which you have no rights; in other words, for which you are not the photographer, you need to have the original photographer (not you!) sending an email to VRT.

For many of these files you wrote that you are the photographer; e.g. Belgharia Railway Station.png, Agarpara Railway Station.png, Barahat railway station.jpg, TEMPERATURE DANGER ZONE.jpg. So, what is the truth? Ruthven (msg) 19:19, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

For many of these files you wrote that you are the photographer; e.g. Belgharia Railway Station.png, Agarpara Railway Station.png, Barahat railway station.jpg, TEMPERATURE DANGER ZONE.jpg. So, what is the truth? - I never said I am the photographer of those images (I think you should read again in the previous reply). But as I modified those images I just mentioned myself as the owner. And as far I get to know from other VRT it's also copyright violation. Ok, then the user TheAafi adviced me to get a permission from the original photographer. But here's the problem those were originally derived from the Google photos and then I modified those. But Google maps gives no option to talk with users then how will I seek the permission? HridoyKundu (talk) 19:49, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@HridoyKundu Actually, in the VRT ticket, you do say that you are the author.

The main point is: if you modify an image, you are the owner of the modifications only. The rights of the original author still hold. So, in order to publish these images, we need 2 peromssions: the one of the original author, and the one from who modified the image. It is what TheAafi said basically.

This case is a typocale one: the images were taken from the Internet without any connection with the original authors. I am afraid that we'll have to delete all these files, because it's impossible to get to the owner of the copyright.

In the future, I recommend to search for photos on platforms like Flickr, where, in general, it is possible to get in touch with the photographer.

So, to answer to your questions:

1. To modify an image is a copyright violation if the file is not published with a license that allows modifications. Photos taken from the Internet generally aren't.
2. Many media can use the files as they are under the fair use doctrine. On Wikimedia Commons we do not do that.
3. CC4.0 is not a license. CC BY-SA 4.0 is. If a file is published under CC BY-SA 4.0 (like most on Commons), you can use that file in a commercial post, given that 1) you attribute the image (even the modified one) to the original authorm and 2) You mention the license with a link to its text in the very same post (e.g. for CC BY-SA 4.0 the link must point to https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/).

Hope that helps. Ruthven (msg) 09:14, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Very good explanation, thank you 😀

The last question: see there are sites like canva which allows users to edit photos with their templates and elements. Is using those in editing in a plain photo violates copyright? (Seriously I never imagined that Copyright law is so rigid and complex)

Lastly, please delete those files which I mentioned, not all. (Old Sealdah station, friends, খাদ্যের গুণমান নির্দেশক should not be deleted as the last 2 is completely mine work and first is under public domain) Thanks!☺️ HridoyKundu (talk) 11:13, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Done --Ruthven (msg) 14:40, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As done please close this thread HridoyKundu (talk) 18:16, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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understood thanks ❤️ HridoyKundu (talk) 18:01, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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