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It is great that someone will pay attention to Chinese Communist Revolution! But you should recognize that the article is very misleading, not least in having contradictory descriptions in the lead and in the body of the article of what the revolution was. The article follows the correct scholarly view that the revolution started with the founding of the CCP in 1921, or even, as Bianco's book has it, 1915. But the lead limits it to the Chinese Civil War 1945-49, which is only the last phase. I will make a quick edit to the lead, but we should work a little more to make this the good article it deserves to be.ch (talk) 06:06, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

CWH - I understand your concerns, and I am flattered by the compliment from an experienced editor such as yourself. I look forward to working together to improve the quality of this (and other) Wikipedia articles about China. As I was writing my additions to the article, I realized that I was adding significantly more detail to the "background" section than was customary. That said, I'm split on whether the article should attempt to encompass the whole history of the Communist movement from 1921 to 1949, or just 1946-1949. On the one hand, it is obvious that the events of those last four years were in many ways a culmination of the past two and a half decades of political developments. On the other hand, most of the sources I consulted, including the reference you removed, used the years 1946-1949. I imagine that this could be viewed analogously to the Russian Revolution, which could also be viewed as a culmination of years of political developments. Regardless, I think that this is definitely a discussion that needs to be had on the Chinese Communist Revolution Talk Page, with the points for and against different dates enumerated for the community to consider and discuss. SilverStar54 (talk) 03:34, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi SilverStar54. When you add short form refs ({{

Thank you so much! I was aware of this but I didn't realize errors would be hidden! I really appreciate you going back to clean up my sloppy work and I'll definitely look out for this in the future. SilverStar54 (talk) 19:16, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No problem, keep up the good writing. There are always wikignomes like me running around fixing problems like these. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 19:26, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Great article, thank you! If you're interested, I suggest nominating it for a

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Thanks a lot! I'll look into that, although I think I'm gonna try to do it for Han Linchun instead, since he has a more interesting fun fact.SilverStar54 (talk) 08:30, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have reverted your edits on

I note that you are making large numbers of these changes. The vast majority of these articles are also on historic events. The correct change, if one is needed, would be to link the first occurrence of the old name with the article with the new name. Then the reader can find out what is meant, but still see what was originally written in the source. ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 00:09, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I understand that articles on historical events often do (and should) use the historical names in use at the time in question. There are many Chinese cities whose names have changed over the years (e.g.,

Zhifu", the district of Yantai that was romanized into Chefoo), but in most cases when English sources said "Chefoo", they meant the whole city

, not just the titular district.

However, obsolete romanizations are not the same thing as historical names. The name of

Wade-Giles/postal romanization are only considered acceptable under extraordinary circumstances. These exceptions include things like the official names of ships, if they had an official romanized name, and individuals (like Sun Yat-sen

) who are exceptionally famous in the English-speaking world under the obsolete romanization of their names. But they don't include cities and people in articles that happen to be about a time period when English sources used older forms of romanization. If we did that, articles on 19th-century Chinese history would be in chaos, since even Wade-Giles and postal romanization were still evolving. Honestly, the contemporary romanizations don't even need to be referenced unless there's a good reason (for example, to explain why a school in Fuzhou is called the "Foochow Normal School" or help the reader parse a quote from an English primary source).

I'm going to copy this discussion to the talk page on the article so that others can see/participate, but hopefully you understand why I'm making these edits. Unless you have a further objection, I'm going to reinstate my edits; Wikipedia's policy on this is pretty clear. SilverStar54 (talk) 03:15, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your answer. I think that only leaves me with the concern, where an article relies deeply on sources that use only the older romanised form, that some device is used to help the reader relate the name in the article with the name in the source. Therefore, in the Great Tea Race article, the first instance of, for example, Fuzhou should appear as:

"...had sailed from Fuzhou (Foochow) eight days after..."

This gives sufficient clue to the reader that there is a name variant and the link takes them to an explanation of that variant. In other articles where there is no highly accessible variety of sources, that might not be necessary, but the Great Tea Race has a number of books that may well mention the subject – the reader might have those available. And there is also the link in the article to [1] (where we see a slightly different way of dealing with the subject).

Essential to all this seems to be the linking of a place name that differs from sources to an article that mentions the name variants in the first part of its lead (which Fuzhou does). I appreciate that would create extra work for your editing, especially if that linked article does not actually deal with name variants. However, I don't think you would want an editor with my level of knowledge on the subject going and amending Chinese city articles to cover that point.

In a moment of over-enthusiasm, I did raise this at [[WP::WikiProject_History#New_or_old_placenames]]. I am now out of time to work on this further (work) but if you wanted to copy anything here to there, or deal with in any other way, that would be fine with me. Thanks, ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 08:42, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You make an excellent point about sources, and I will go back and add explanatory remarks to The Great Tea Race and the other articles I’ve edited that use quotations. I’ll also drop a link to this discussion in those articles’ talk pages so that other editors can read the rationale for using pinyin if they’re interested. Thanks for hearing me out, and for all your other good editing work. Best, SilverStar54 (talk) 09:17, 16 January 2023 (UTC) SilverStar54 (talk) 09:17, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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As you will be aware, I've undone one of your changes from a historic name to a modern name. An important tenet on Wikipedia is that we do not rewrite history. I fully appreciate that historic Chinese names are not used in modern parlance, but when writing about historic periods of time, we should use the correct names for the period. This applies to all countries worldwide. Please revert your edits. I will raise this issue at the talk page of the naming convention you mentioned in your edit summaries. Mjroots (talk) 06:44, 22 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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@Liz Oh, got it! Thanks for the heads up. SilverStar54 (talk) 22:47, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you very much for your amazing work on this topic. —  AjaxSmack  14:45, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@AjaxSmack Thanks, it's good to know that this sort of work is appreciated! SilverStar54 (talk) 16:49, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Recently you made an edit on the article Luo Wenzao. Specifically, you put all the various spellings of his name into a footnote, and left the first paragraph of the lede to be "Luo Wenzao OP (c. 1610s – 27 February 1691) was the first Chinese Catholic bishop."

I understand that this simplifies the page, but I am curious if you have any other precedents or similar examples, so I can reference their style when writing my next article.

Cheers! --TheLonelyPather (talk) 21:58, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sure! The best way to deal with Chinese names in the leading sentence is a topic of discussion, especially in cases like Luo Wenzao when there's a bunch of different names/romanizations to mention. Someday hopefully we'll come to a consensus, but for the moment people seem to just be doing what works for each article on a case-by-case basis. I've seen the use of notes a couple times before, but I don't remember any specific articles off the top of my head. There's apparently a general policy on this that I recently discovered (

MOS:FULLNAME), so hopefully that's useful. SilverStar54 (talk) 05:34, 30 May 2023 (UTC)[reply

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If I run into any other examples, I will drop them here. SilverStar54 (talk) 05:37, 30 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, for consistency with the move of "Tung Ying-chieh" to "

Yes, I would support that move. Do you use Wikipedia:Twinkle? It adds some great tools to your top bar that make editing a lot easier, including one that (XFD) that lets you start a discussion for deleting or moving the page. It then automatically shares it in the right places. I'll go ahead and start a move discussion for Tung Hu Ling now, though. SilverStar54 (talk) 01:39, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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This is essential history that was left out of the history I was taught, and desperately needed to be documented. Thank you so much for your incredible work on this article. I think it's work like yours helps make the world a better place.

"Wasn't taught the world was so goddamn unjust, but it's on us to make it right." — Adeem the Artist.

Neuroxic (talk) 23:08, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much for our kind words! They mean a lot to me and help give me the motivation to keep working. The Orangeburg Massacre was left out of my education too, even though it happened only a few hundred miles from where I grew up. When I finally learned about it years later, I wanted to make information on it more easily accessible. Hopefully a good Wikipedia article will help with that. SilverStar54 (talk) 00:31, 25 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi @Yinglong999! I also care a lot about Wushu; I grew up practicing Wing Chun (and I'm also a big believer in using pinyin). So let me explain myself:

There was recently a large discussion over at

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. So that's why I've been making these mass changes. Although I would prefer taijiquan, the most important thing is that Wikipedia is consistent. It's really confusing for non-experts when different pages use (seemingly) totally different names for the same thing.

If you really think that pages about Wushu competitions specifically should be an exception (e.g., "the taijiquan competition at the 1998 Asian Games, where competitors performed tai chi"), that's a bit trickier. You might have a point there, I'd have to think about it. If you want to continue down that road I recommend you bring it up to a wider audience, perhaps on

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@Iruka13: I'm not sure what a free equivalent of this file would look like. This is a screenshot of a DC Inside post. Wouldn't any screenshot of this post (or any other post) be non-free and fall under DC Inside's copyright? That's my understanding of how Wikimedia Commons explains it. If there is a way to get a freely-licensed screenshot of this or an equivalent post, I would be happy to do that.

The post is the subject of sourced commentary (on my sandbox page atm) that would be difficult or impossible to explain without reference to the visual, since the humor/message of the post relies on the visual gag of clicking on the title and seeing unexpected content. SilverStar54 (talk) 17:32, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Great article! -- TheLonelyPather (talk) 16:30, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! SilverStar54 (talk) 17:07, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:20, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, you suggested you could withdraw this AfD as deletion isn't likely, and the required rewrite / retitling won't happen through AfD, it's not for "editing". It'd be easiest if you'd favour the "editing" side by pulling the AfD now or we run the risk of having the current state of the article fossilized into place for ever. Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:54, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think that a "keep" decision would necessarily fossilize the page in it's current form, but I'm withdrawing my nomination regardless. It turns out there are more sources that discuss this topic than I realized. SilverStar54 (talk) 16:12, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Right, I've moved all the definitions of Kuhn 1990 out of the text, which is now down to 30 k from 40 k; the references list looks a WHOLE lot better. I've tweaked the lead and the article title to indicate plurality of events. The right thing to do now would be

a) to cut down the 1768 detail (i.e. cribbing from Kuhn)

b) to add detail on the other events, from new sources.

I doubt if I'm the right person for that job; I'm available to lend a hand if you need it. Chiswick Chap (talk) 20:45, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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My bad, this was meant as a disambig page, I just forgot to tag it as such. All of the information on the page is there to help readers to disambiguate the links, and comes from the linked pages. SilverStar54 (talk) 18:38, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]