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Meetups coming up in DC!

Hey!

You are invited to two upcoming events in DC:

• Meetup at Capitol City Brewery on Saturday, January 25 at 6 PM. Please join us for dinner, drinks, socializing, and discussing Wikimedia DC activities and events. All are welcome! RSVP on the linked page or through Meetup.
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Harej (talk) 00:07, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

War Revenue Act of 1898 for DYK?

Hello, Tim1965. I thought I should let you know that the wikiarticle about the "

MainPage. Thank you for your new addition to Wikipedia. You may want to keep an eye on the nomination in case reviewers at DYK have comments or questions regarding your edits. Thank you. Happy editing. Cheers! --PFHLai (talk

) 01:00, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

WikiProject Washington, D.C.

Hi, my name is Monika and I'm working on a class assignment for my graduate class at American University, and I see that you are an active participant for WikiProject Washington, D.C. I would like to get some guidance from you on which articles have priority on editing. But more specifically which articles are lacking the multimedia element. Any help would be great. Thanks. OkMonika (talk) 17:04, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Coming up in February!

Hello there!

Our February WikiSalon is coming up on Sunday, February 23. Join us at our gathering of Wikipedia enthusiasts at the Kogod Courtyard of the National Portrait Gallery with an optional dinner after. As usual, all are welcome. Care to join us?

Also, if you are available, there is an American Art Edit-a-thon being held at the Smithsonian American Art Museum with Professor Andrew Lih's COMM-535 class at American University on Tuesday, February 11 from 2 to 5 PM. Please RSVP on the linked page if you are interested.

If you have any ideas or preferences for meetups, please let us know at Wikipedia talk:Meetup/DC.

Thank you, and hope to see you at our upcoming events! Harej (talk) 18:42, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

DYK for War Revenue Act of 1898

DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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— Harej (talk) 05:11, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi. I've given this an edit and will nominate for GA in a day or two. I was wondering if you still had the books or you could find the isbn number of the ones I've missed on world cat and fill out the remaining books of the bibliography with those cite templates? It's important for verification and for some of them I can only locate reprints. Great article BTW, we should be able to get up to GA, been along time coming.♦ Dr. Blofeld 23:09, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

• Wow, thanks for editing!! I will try to find the ISBN numbers. Some of the promotional books may not have them, but we will see. - Tim1965 (talk) 23:12, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

"Principal photography began on May 18, 1958". Was this in Jerusalem? It would be good to have some information about the sites where they filmed.♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:03, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

• "Filming, under the direction of William Wyler, started in Rome on May 18, 1958, and was completed last Feb. 3, according to Metro statisticians. A few background scenes were shot later in the Arizona desert and some last-minute close-ups were taken at the Metro studios in Hollywood." Rome.  :) - Tim1965 (talk) 16:53, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

As I thought. So why then is that photo at the top of production some place in Palestine which says filming site? Can you try to fill out those books in the next day or two, it's currently at GAR :-] Also can you see if some of those NY Times sources have urls online? I know that the LA Times has some pre internet material scanned in online.♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:13, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

• I have no idea why that picture is there. I didn't add it, and it wasn't in the last version I worked on (21 April 2012). I can't find any reference to location filming in Israel. I've come across original research that claims that this picture was taken in Israel in 1958 near the village of Lifta, and shows Messala's legion marching on Jerusalem. There is also original research claiming that the images of the Maccabean tombs near Kidron (which Messala passes) are not matte paintings but also from the Israeli location shooting. I just can't find neutral, reliable-source references for any of that. - Tim1965 (talk) 19:11, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Given the period (not too long after the 1948 conflict) I'd find it highly dubious an American film team would choose to shoot in Israel, it would be sort of like Argo wouldn't it? That photo is baffling me though, I've removed it anyway. BTW I just watched Wyler's next film after Ben Hur, The Children's Hour, terrific film!! Would you be interested in improving it sometime? ♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:22, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

• I found all the remaining book ISBNs and URLs I could find. Google seems to have lost the Frayling URL (there's a "error 404 page not found"). The Kaplan URL links to the 2000 reprint edition, not the 1999 edition, but I hope that is all right. (They should be the same, as it's a reprint not a new edition.) BTW, I think Wyler's The Best Years of Our Lives is a stunning film. - Tim1965 (talk) 20:28, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

• Sure, I can do an improvement on The Children's Hour pretty soon. - Tim1965 (talk) 20:29, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

By the way, there are 26 images of the Ben-Hur location shooting in Israel from 1958 in the Harvard University image library here [1]. It's obvious it's really Israel (see the Israeli ambulance image). But I don't know how to incorporate that into the article without violating Original Research restrictions. - Tim1965 (talk) 20:34, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

If there's definitely no source which says they filmed in Israel a efn| note linking to that page (which actually show up as a coding error on PC) or link to photo archives in Israel stating that it was evidently a shooting location although no known book documents it would be appropriate. Wyler's one of my favourite film directors for sure, but Best Years was actually the only one I wans't too keen on, I found it a little boring admittedly. It's one I must see again, when I saw it I wasn't too up on Wyler. I didn't think much of Citizen Kane on first viewing either and I see its genuis now and consider it within my top 10! Have you seen Ikiru? That's a good candidate for best film ever, at least in terms of humanity, amazingly touching film. I was thinking of going over the Audrey Hepburn article sometime and getting it up to GA status. Would you be interested?♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:46, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

On The Children's Hour it would be great if you could use Template:Sfn for citations. When you click on the page note it highlights the book in bibliography and you don't have to ref bunch. See one of my articles like The Great Ziegfeld or something for how it works. {sfn|author|year|page number} and then ref=harv in the books in bibliography. Let me know when you think you've expanded that article and I'll try to add to it. This is useful for drawing up citations from google book sources.♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:20, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

I can do that. I've been helping on the Montana article to try to get it to GA, and have been learning that system. - Tim1965 (talk) 03:54, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

So, I solved and did not solve the Israel thing. NY Times claims there was second unit footage shot. But AFI says "permit revoked" but doesn't say when; AFI definitely says no footage made it into the final film. Conflict of sources? Maybe, maybe not. I put both into the article. hey! Now you can re-add that wonky photo.  :) - Tim1965 (talk) 03:56, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Nice one. BTW I've just put in a request for a grant for books here. I gather you're in the US not UK though, I don't think they do it in the US. It would be great to work with you on getting some articles like Sunset Boulevard and any Kubrick film like Clockwork etc up to GA status. I'm certain that you share a similar fine taste in cinema! A long term goal of mine is to get Oscar winners up to GA status. I've just about prepared Wings (1927 film) for GA this morning. Currently gunning for GA if you're interested... Can you find anything more on it? I was wondering if you have access to either the Farmer or 2006 Wellman books on the film. In google books they appeared to be the most resourceful aside from the book I could fully access on it. I'll expand the lead shortly and nominate for GA but if you could further add to it this would be great! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:27, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Ben-Hur (1959 film)/GA2 has begun. I think I'll split the production into a separate article and then work on condensing it down. I rather liked the length but I do think it's probably too much for a comfortable summary of the film. Don't worry, no information will be lost in the cutting. I've copied it to Production of Ben-Hur (1959 film), can you add the books used for it in the bibliography? ♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:53, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Sure, will do. - Tim1965 (talk) 15:14, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I've trimmed the article down to about 100kb. I'm reluctant to trim it any more, although it could still be trimmed and polished up in parts. Hopefully that should be OK for GA. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:25, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

• I have problems with Wikipedians when they (and the article guidelines) say "the article is too long to be encyclopedic." Print encyclopedias have page sizes, and printers can only bind so many pages together into a folio (in multiples of four) before they must create a new folio. Due to the costs of printing, paper, typesetting, and the like, and due to the limitations of hardcover book binding, this limits a volume of an encyclopedia to about 430 pages. These limitations forced encyclopedias to limit article length, so that the average article length is only about 650 words. Furthermore, encyclopedias must judge what the market will bear. Although a 500-volume encyclopedia might be desireable (with lengthy articles and extensive references), it would be far too expensive and thus never sell. So encyclopedia companies (all of them for-profit) further limited the size of their publications based on demand. Thus, "encyclopedic" is defined by the limitations of printing and cost, and what the market will bear. NONE of these are real considerations online. Yet, contributors and guidelines at Wikipedia continue to define "encyclopedic" in terms of printed works themselves based on antiquated, outdated mechanical printing and the supply-demand marketplace. That tautology continues to amaze and frustrate me. - Tim1965 (talk) 18:09, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

I had a feeling you'd not be happy with the condensing. But the reviewer wasn't the only one who thought it was too bloated. A number of very experienced film editors said the same thing and that "no article really needs to be 12,000 words". Detailed is good but a lot of people would find it too much on one page.♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:22, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

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I think we can get this up to GA with limited work, and without cutting :-). It's a great film and the article is already very good, it mainly needs an expansion of the lead, a minor copyedit and source checking/overhaul for verification. Can you do me a favour and format some of the books which have google book previews with urls and any of the newspapers if possible? http://reftag.appspot.com/ is useful for remaking them with google book url links. Some of the books in citations need moving to the bibliography and to be replaced with page numbers.♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:20, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Are you still mad at me for cutting Ben Hur?♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:40, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

• HA HA HA!! No, but I've been working on other articles for the last week or so. I can't commit to Children's Houre and Wings and Keeper of the Flame all at once. Keeper might be easier to do and get finished with, but if I am to work on either of the other two I need to kind of stick with one and not have too many irons in the fire. I'm also helping with WikiProject Montana articles, and my own stuff.  :) - Tim1965 (talk) 21:00, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

I think Keeper of the Flame would be close to promoting with some minor work.♦ Dr. Blofeld 06:51, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

• I'll move on Keeper today. I've got a small article I need to finish this afternoon, and then we're off. - Tim1965 (talk) 14:45, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Cool. The Template:Sfn system would be good. The lead doesn't need sourcing though.♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:13, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

If you just write ref=harv in the cite books in biblio it'll do the same thing! If you can ensure all of the books are placed in the bibliography and try to find some of the page numbers it should be ready for GA! I've nommed for GA anyway, that can be done during the GAN/afterwards, it's only minor now.♦ Dr. Blofeld 06:55, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

• OK. I'm going to move all the books left over in footnotes into the biblio today, and add page numbers. It took me two hours, but I finally found where I put my George Cukor Double Life book. (oh, I have got to get organized!!) - Tim1965 (talk) 15:29, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi Tim (and all Tim's stalkers) - I have a race horse article, Mucho Macho Man up for FAC and I'm not getting a lot of reviewers - the ones I have are great but there are only three of them, and I think the FAC promoters like to have a few more. If anyone would like to be so kind as to pop over there and do a review, I'd be grateful. Thanks! Montanabw^(talk) 22:34, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

	Montana State Award of Merit
	For your excellent work on Montana articles! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:20, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

• D'awww... *blush* Thanks! - Tim1965 (talk) 14:38, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

• Hey! Mike Cline and I want one too! LOL! Montanabw^(talk) 00:34, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

@Montanabw: Show me some examples of your Montana work! I thought you only worked on horsies!♦ Dr. Blofeld 06:33, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

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Can you sort out the refs for Eskimo (film)? I think we can get that one to GA too.♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:17, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

I will try to do that this week. - Tim1965 (talk) 05:29, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Excellent, I'll look into it within a few days. Unfortunately progress with the Keeper review has been rather slow..♦ Dr. Blofeld 04:58, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

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Hi, can you reply at the GAR? Not happy with what he's done and said..♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:35, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

It passed anyway..♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:51, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

This is why I hate GA reviews. They're haphazard. No standards at all. If you get a good reviewer, you're fine (even if there are huge problems with the article). If you get a dolt, you are in for some hair-pulling stress and potential disaster. It's why I tend to stop at B class. I just don't want the hassle. ARRRGH! :) - Tim1965 (talk) 17:09, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

That's why I usually try to get a competent, efficient reviewer. Unfortunately at times somebody snaps up the review before they can get to it which is what happened here... If you can get a decent reviewer like Caponer or Smaro then it's worth doing anyway.. I watched Keeper of the Flame earlier actually..♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:26, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

For Keeper can you elaborate on "The Bureau's chief, Lowell Mellett, was unhappy with the picture and found it heavy-handed." Does there say anything else about it?♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:00, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

• Neither Stewart nor Neve makes more than a passing reference to Mellett's dissatisfaction with the film. I have another source, but need to get it from the library to see if it goes in depth. Give me a couple of days to get that. - Tim1965 (talk) 17:51, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Feel free to ping me when you put up a GAN, I'll be fussy and anal, but I'm not a troll... and I need wikicup points...  ;-) Montanabw^(talk) 15:50, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

LOL!♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:33, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Finally, both Eskimo and Keeper of the Flame have passed GA! Congrats! Beginning of the End (film) looks like it could pass with the sourcing sorted and a lead expansion. Can you convert to sfn and fill out the refs when you have a moment?♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:51, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

• I'll try this weekend. Got heat exhaustion yesterday while photographing John Philip Sousa Bridge and Barney Circle, although I was only out for an hour, which makes me wonder how I got heat stroke. Spent four hours in the hospital getting IV fluids. Anyway, I'm taking it easy for a few days. - Tim1965 (talk) 15:07, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Eeks sorry to hear that! Get better soon!!♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:42, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

• Expat Montanans don't do well in heat and humidity, be careful out there, Tim! FWIW, I spent a week in North Carolina living on saltine crackers and Gatorade at 50% dilution, was the only way I could both hydrate without screwing up electrolyte balance and not puke up everything that went into my stomach. But on the other hand, I survived 4th of July 1993 on the National Mall with a 120 degree heat index with no ill effects - though spent a lot of time in the various Smithsonians during the day... gotta love A/C. Seeing the fireworks while sitting on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial still ranks as one of my top 5 Fourth of Julys ever. Maybe even number 1, even though I was there for a fellowship thingy and did miss the spouse. Montanabw^(talk) 16:49, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Hey Tim1965, I have a horse favor to ask of you, @Dr. Blofeld: and your other talk page stalkers: I helped get California Chrome to GA and damn if the horse didn't win the 2014 Kentucky Derby. Now it's getting traffic like this! I'm asking the responsible and GA/FA-savvy editors I know to watchlist the article to help patrol for vandals, we're getting them, and it's going to be worse next week as we come up on the 2014 Preakness Stakes. (When in doubt, revert to whatever my last version is, it will be "clean" and I can sift through to add any good new material) While you are at it, can you also watchlist Oxbow (horse), which will be TFA on Preakness day, and I anticipate possible vandal problems there too because the horse's jockey and trainer are both being targeted by PETA for some unfortunate "campfire talk" caught on tape last year. Thanks! Montanabw^(talk) 22:16, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

I sure can help watch those! - Tim1965 (talk) 22:22, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. While watchlisting, a side note that on that article, User:Greensodagal is NOT a vandal; she's just an inexperienced user who I think is editing from her phone. But her info has always proved accurate.  ;-) Montanabw^(talk) 15:51, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

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	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	This barnstar is for expanding many, many articles about Washington, D.C. and other topics. Good work! Epicgenius (talk) 23:40, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

• Gosh, thank you! - Tim1965 (talk) 03:48, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

So, Dr. Blofeld, do you want to keep those OCLC and ISSN numbers in the bibliography? I think they are fairly useless. OCLC numbers next to an ISBN is repetitive, and should come out. And since all the newspaper/trade magazine cites are coming out of the bibliography anyway and going into footnotes, I think the OCLC numbers should get dumped. Agree or disagree? - Tim1965 (talk) 03:48, 15 May 2014 (UTC) Yeah I don't think they're needed. Obviously keep ISBN though! Hope you're feeling better and drinking plenty of water!♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:48, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

I feel better. Easily tired, which my doctor says is pretty common. He took blood and is running a battery of tests, the results of which I'll learn late today. He took me off a diuretic (which I took for blood pressure) and put me on something else, and that might help too. He was as puzzled as I was at how sudden the heat exhaustion came on, which he says isn't normal. - Tim1965 (talk) 14:54, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

How are you feeling Tim?♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:46, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Better. I felt awful for almost a week, but things got better. Had a summer cold, though. BLEAH! Hate those! - Tim1965 (talk) 15:26, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Best wishes for feeling a lot better soon, Tim! Montanabw^(talk) 21:35, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Greetings!

Wikimedia DC has yet another busy month in June. Whether you're a newcomer to Wikipedia or have years of experience, we're happy to see you come. Here's what's coming up:

• On Wednesday, June 11 from 7 to 9 PM come to the WikiSalon at the Cove co-working space. Hang out with Wikipedia enthusiasts!
• Saturday, June 14 is the Frederick County History Edit-a-Thon from 11 AM to 4 PM. Help improve local history on Wikipedia.
• The following Saturday, June 21, is the June Meetup. Dinner and drinks with Wikipedians!
• Come on Tuesday, June 24 for the Wikipedia in Your Library edit-a-thon at GWU on local and LGBT history.
• Last but not least, on Sunday, June 29 we have the Phillips Collection Edit-a-Thon in honor of the Made in America exhibit.

Wikipedia is better with friends, so why not come out to an event?

Best,

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I am pleased to announce our fourth annual picnic, the Great American Wiknic, will take place at Meridian Hill Park in Washington, D.C. on Sunday, July 13 from 1 to 5 PM (rain date: July 20). We will be hanging out by the statue of Dante Alighieri, a statue that was donated to the park in 1921 as a tribute to Italian Americans. Read more about the statue on Wikipedia. If you would like to sign up for the picnic, you can do so here. When signing up, say what you’re going to bring!

July will also feature the second annual Great American Wiknic in Frederick, Maryland. This year’s Frederick picnic will take place on Sunday, July 6 at Baker Park. Sign up here for the Frederick picnic.

What else is going on in July? We have the American Chemical Society Edit-a-Thon on Saturday, July 12, dedicated to notable chemists, and our monthly WikiSalon on Wednesday, July 16.

We hope to see you at our upcoming events!

Best,

James Hare

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