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Thanks for removing the random floating URL from health information on the Internet. Blue Rasberry (talk) 12:00, 30 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. You may like to comment on my removal of the labels 2002-nCoV, 2005-nCoV and 2012-nCoV, which don't appear to be in actual use, at Talk:Novel_coronavirus. - Onanoff (talk) 10:14, 10 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Wikmoz, my name is Rebestalic

I noticed that you reverted my edit regarding names at

Would you believe so too? If not, I'm very happy to discuss

I'll change it back for the moment, though

Thank you, Rebestalic^{[dubious—discuss]} 23:31, 28 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

MOS:BOLD. Bolding is usually reserved for the first mention of the offical name (and current alternate names in common use) in the lead. "Wuhan coronavirus" seems outdated and particularly informal in the context of a medical topic about the virus strain. However, I could definitely be wrong. - Wikmoz (talk) 00:20, 29 February 2020 (UTC)[reply

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You're welcome, Wikmoz! I think you're right haha, much more so than wrong. I shall revert my change--enjoy your day! Rebestalic^{[dubious—discuss]} 00:34, 29 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. That was a very very fast reply 😂

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Hi there. I note your interest in the COVID-19 lead and the issues surrounding the current edit. Please let’s clear this thing up once and for all, and reach a quick consensus if possible. I’ve included below a link for you to vote on a best compromise. Current edit as it stands is quite misleading and more damaging the longer it is up given that people will read it and freely socialise thinking that as long as nobody coughs at them then they’re all good.

This is a compromise between leaving out the ‘primarily’ which therefore mentions coughing as though it’s the only way droplets are formed (per current misleading edit), and the other side which is actually mentioning exhaling and sneezing. This way, the primary method is stated, no secondary methods stated, and the reader knows that other forms of droplet production are possible.

Please vote using the link below, thanks in advance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2019%E2%80%9320_coronavirus_pandemic#Compromise_of_all_positions

Magna19 (talk) 00:45, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not a proponent of letting most people get sick and hoping most of those come out stronger. Just saying the idea was floated by a specific person with a specific number for a specific population. Vagueness is the real invisible enemy. I hope for a vaccine as strongly as I doubt it. If I were to promote any strategy, it'd be 21 days alone for everyone, no excuses, no hospital admissions. Virus dies off, some humans die, everyone has a normal May. Could cure the formerly-common cold, too. Hard to get eight billion people to understand simultaneously and continuously, though. Maybe a worldwide three-week telethon featuring literally everyone's favourite celebrity co-hosts and performers via webcam? Anyway, no ulterior motive, just clarity and wonder. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:26, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the note. I was not suggesting you were proponent of the approach. Just that we should try to add some context around Vallance's idea. Hahahaha. I do like your three-week global telethon idea. :) - Wikmoz (talk) 06:38, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I don't mind context, if it's not overtly editorial. No prefacing the favoured view with "However...", "But in fact..." or whatever. If the second expert is directly rebutting the first, then it can be framed competitively. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:05, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Wikmoz. If you want to include his opening statements of his speech, or other things, in

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WP:PRIMARYNOTBAD. - Wikmoz (talk

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Wikmoz, you've missed my point. I'm not doubting that Trump said what he said. I'm asking you, how do we know that this particular part important? If it's important, reliable secondary sources will cover it. It should not be up to you to decide the most relevant content before a reliable secondary source does so. starship.paint (talk) 04:44, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The solution is for you to find reliable secondary sources that highlight: My fellow Americans, my first and highest duty as President is to defend our great country and the American people. I swore an oath to uphold the laws of our nation, and that is exactly what I will do, and find reliable secondary sources that highlight: justice will be served. Not the White House press statement or C-SPAN. starship.paint (talk) 04:47, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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WP:PRIMARYNOTBAD, "Primary sources can be reliable, and they can be used. Sometimes, a primary source is even the best possible source, such as when you are supporting a direct quotation. In such cases, the original document is the best source because the original document will be free of any errors or misquotations introduced by subsequent sources." - Wikmoz (talk) 04:54, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply

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Wikmoz. I am not saying primary is bad. I am saying, are those quotes

WP:DUE? What is the prominence of those quote in the published, reliable sources? starship.paint (talk) 04:57, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply

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WP:DUE as well. From my read, it focuses on neutrality and appropriately balancing conflicting viewpoints. I disagree that it means every sentence on Wikipedia needs to be paired with a secondary source. If you are concerned about the article's length and whether or not the sentence is burdensome to the reader, you are welcome to raise your concern on the talk page. I'll wait for an independent editor to address the verification flags. - Wikmoz (talk) 05:10, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply

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You identified 40+ words in his 800+ words speech as important, that's why you quoted them. So back yourself up with secondary sources that also identify these particular 40+ words as important. Right now you have no sources doing so. starship.paint (talk) 05:03, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed the material. The

I walk the talk, here [1] you see me citing reliable secondary sources to material in the same article that was mostly primary sourced. You just have to do the same, and I'll support. starship.paint (talk) 06:36, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Starship.paint: We'll have to agree to disagree on Wikipedia editing standards and policy enforcement methods. I did my best to walk the talk here. I'll leave your edits as they stand and defer to other editors to expand the section as appropriate. Regarding your other edits, I think Trump's closing remarks read better in first person. It's a little awkward to read "[his]" in that sentence when it's easily avoidable. Also, for historical accuracy, we should provide the context that the strongly armed military personnel to which trump is referring in the sentence regarding immediate D.C. enforcement were National Guard troops. Not sure where you're located but it's getting late here. Have a great night! - Wikmoz (talk) 06:46, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've reinserted the first person. I am trying to find a source for the National Guard troops. Good night, it's not night here. starship.paint (talk) 06:51, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Starship.paint: Thanks for the quick edit! I made a minor edit to get the subject "I" into the quote. Also left in the CSPAN link for readers interested in seeing more of the speech. - Wikmoz (talk) 07:20, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The sources [2] [3] [4] [5] do not clarify that "thousands and thousands" are National Guard. If you can find a reliable source tomorrow, I will not object. starship.paint (talk) 06:55, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Starship.paint: Thanks again! All of the sources you provided note that the "heavily armed soldiers" and "military personnel" being deployed in D.C. were National Guard troops. I haven't seen any source indicate that there were any active duty troops deployed. It's an important distinction as the latter would be illegal and is the subject of the debate between Esper and Trump. Without this context in this section, it's reasonable that a reader could infer active duty military were involved. Off to bed for real this time. :) Have a great night. - Wikmoz (talk) 07:20, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You'll see this tomorrow - it's a bit further than the source. Yes, there were National Guardsmen present AP, they were specifically D.C. National Guard - ABC. The Justice Department also says they were working with the D.C. National Guard. CBS. The specific problem is that the sources don't say Trump was referring to the D.C. National Guard, we are missing that connection. starship.paint (talk) 07:42, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

[6] starship.paint (talk) 07:51, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

On 5 July 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Donald Trump photo op at St. John's Church, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that U.S. law enforcement used chemical irritants to disperse a peaceful George Floyd protest in Washington, D.C., shortly before President Donald Trump's photo op at St. John's Church? You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Donald Trump photo op at St. John's Church), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:01, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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	Long overdue, but thanks for collaborating on figuring out how to get past COVID-19 pandemic's PEIS issues. 👍 —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:14, 1 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Tenryuu, Thanks so much! It was great collaborating with you. I was actually planning to send a barnstar to you and one other user last week but got lost in the long list of badge options. I will make it a plan to select one this weekend and send it your way. - Wikmoz (talk) 05:55, 1 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

On the redirect

Sorry, I didn't see the RFD. Thank you for clarifying. I've opened a new RFD as suggested. - Wikmoz (talk) 01:37, 18 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Wikmoz, hope you've been doing well. The PEIS limit at COVID-19 pandemic in Canada has been breached, and a discussion has been started on the talk page (analysis. I tried removing the "Statistics" section to see if that would fix the problem, but nothing happened. Right now {{COVID-19 pandemic data/Canada medical cases chart}}, but another editor suggested that we try retaining that on the page if possible. If it's not too much trouble, could you see anything if there's something I'm missing or a possible alternative solution to removing the aforementioned template? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) (🎁 Wishlist! 🎁) 05:29, 10 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A kitten for you!

Once again, thanks for helping resolve the PEIS issue over at COVID-19 pandemic in Canada.

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Haha! Glad the fix worked. Always happy to help where I can! - Wikmoz (talk) 03:42, 12 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Wikmoz!

My name is Daniel, and I’m a senior at Harvard University currently writing an undergraduate thesis about Wikipedia. I’m particularly interested in how the Wikipedia community decides what facts are relevant and/or notable enough to warrant inclusion on a particular article — especially in regards to articles on contentious topics.

I noticed that you’ve been quite active editing the “COVID-19 pandemic” article over the past few months. So, would you mind if I send you a few questions (via email or right here) about your work editing that article, and the approach that you take? I’d really love to hear from you.

Thanks so much! --Dalorleon (talk) 16:19, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Just checking in again, Wikmoz! I'd love to ask you some questions about your editing work for Wikipedia. Let me know if you're available. If not, no worries! --Dalorleon (talk) 16:16, 1 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dalorleon, sorry for the delay. This sounds like a fantastic and important thesis. I'd be happy to answer your questions. I just emailed you. - Wikmoz (talk) 05:33, 2 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello User:Wikmoz! You are invited to join the Brooklyn based Sure We Can community for our 3rd NYC COVID-19 themed Wikipedia Edit-a-thon / translate-a-thon - ONLINE - Saturday, Feb 6th, 2021 11am - 1pm. The edit-a-thon is part of Sure We Can's work with NYC Health + Hospitals to stop the spread of Covid-19. We plan to continue to work on translating the COVID-19 pandemic in New York City article into the many languages spoken in New York City; as well as, work on other ideas about how information on wikipedia could slow the spread of Covid-19. We'd love to hear if you have any ideas. If you can not attend, please feel free to comment on my talk page, or here, or on the event page. Saturday February 6 Coronavirus in New York City: Translate-A-Thon - ONLINE (optional RSVP on-wiki). 11:00am - 1:00 pm E.S.T online via Zoom (optional breakout rooms available)

--Wil540 art (talk) 21:25, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your recent edit removed the changes I made to the template COVID-19 vaccination data earlier (separating the world from sorting similar to that of COVID-19 pandemic data). Was there a valid reason for that? Content removal is OK but should be described in the edit summary. Since you didn't state a reason, I restored the changes I made earlier. In the future, please specify the reason if you go and remove other users' edits. For further information, see Wikipedia:Content removal. Zarex (talk) 23:05, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for updating the template! I'm sorry for stepping on your edit. I set up the template so that it could be easily updated using an Excel formula. I just copy and paste the full table results without looking, thus the comment only noted the data refresh. I'll take a look at your edits and try to incorporate into the Excel formula for future automated updates. - Wikmoz (talk) 03:19, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. In

LSGH, yes and no. For all of the countries covered by Our World in Data, numbers are sourced from their GitHub repository. This data is updated daily. The process overwrites any prior edits. Users can add additional countries not yet listed by OWID to the bottom of the table. You'll see that Vatican City and some COFA nations were added there. This section is separated in the code so it's not overwritten by the daily refresh. By default, these entries appear at the bottom but integrate into the table when a viewer changes the table column sort. - Wikmoz (talk) 04:21, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply

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Suppose a country is already covered by OWID, do others need to wait for OWID to update the source? What if they are able to find another reliable source before OWID can?

LSGH (talk) (contributions) 01:27, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply

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OWID generally updates their data daily from the most reliable source in each country. I'm not sure there's much benefit to updating more frequently, especially if that means complicating the automated update process. Some users add a mid-day update for individual countries using the same source as OWID. No downside to doing this. If there's a more reliable source for a specific country, the best thing would be to suggest that source to OWID on GitHub. They're very responsive to suggestions. - Wikmoz (talk) 03:01, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The browser I'm using is a bit old so hopefully this makes sense. Thank you for replying to my inquiry about "No data" for U.S. recoveries for Covid on the talk page. I've used Wikipedia on and off for years but know little about editing. Thanks for directing me to where I can discuss that table more directly. If I knew how I'd give you a "cookie" (Is there such a thing as acookie like a barnstar or what have you, like a thank you? can't remember what you call those.) anyway, thank you! 63.248.183.81 (talk) 09:36, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry I came late to the discussion, I have been very ill. Has this been resolved? Please reply to me at Commons or ping ! Thanks! Ellin Beltz (talk) 13:36, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Birth certificates and an admin hid the old versions. Discussion archived here. Wishing you well! - Wikmoz (talk) 00:14, 5 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

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Very cool to see some progress is being made to prepare an automated solution. It's been a while since I've edited these templates. I'm not sure how OWID data differs from Johns Hopkins, which is already used here. I'd sugest starting a thread on Template talk:COVID-19 pandemic data outlining the proposed change and ping TolBot, Sdkb, and Phoenix7777 for comment there. If you go that route, create a pointer to that discussion on the talk pages for COVID-19 pandemic and COVID-19 pandemic by country and territory to improve visibility. - Wikmoz (talk) 04:27, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. In my opinion, both OWID and JHU are reliable sources, while Worldometers and the like are not reliable sources. I remember that Phoenix7777 told me a few weeks ago that consensus need to be gained before the new table can replace the current table. Two months ago,

LSGH (talk) (contributions) 16:10, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply

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Someone alerted me to a bug this evening, and I was racing around trying to fix it and was within five or ten minutes of rolling everything back, when I figured out a workaround that fixed their immediate issue, but not the general problem. Basically, someone noticed that the find_sources transclusion in this Afd page was broken, in particular, the transclusion of {{Find sources AFD|title=House Hippo}} (a redirect to find sources) failed, searching for the whole term 'Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/House Hippo (2nd nomination)' instead of just the last part. The wrapper never handled param |title=, because I never knew such a param even existed; none of the Talk headers use it and I never saw any other page use it. But apparently Afd did use it, and it was a legal param, so it broke all the Afd pages for titles that had parenthetical disambiguation when we cut over.

Meanwhile, the guy was leaning on me to roll back (see

Really nice job on the quick workaround! Reading up on this now and will reply to the Template talk:Find sources thread. - Wikmoz (talk) 05:27, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Alright then. What is the appropriate procedure for stopping people who're doing harm to the article? I've removed inappropriate text from the lede and left an explanation on the talk page for why that shouldn't be reverted. OckRaz ^talk 17:36, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

PS: If there's an article about a historical event where there are different scenarios in conflict with one another and sources for both accounts, how is it not improper to deem one version correct in the introduction and only later address that there are conflicting accounts? This doesn't even seem like it ought to be a controversial question with regard to the proper format for an encyclopedia article, but in this case it's alleged that it's a violation of 'consensus' to follow normal procedure. It's not even clear to me what is meant here by consensus. I don't see where the matter was previously adjudicated on the article talk page. Is there an assumption that the question is a matter on which there's a public consensus? OckRaz ^talk 17:57, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

OckRaz, All great questions! And thank you for reaching out. I'm buried in work today but will reply in full tomorrow with some history on the current consensus and suggestions on how to take the current debate forward. - Wikmoz (talk) 03:19, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

WP:DISPUTE

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99% of consensus (

WP:STATUSQUO

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With respect to the protesters being "peaceful", this is supported by numerous reliable sources (

WP:DISPUTE

for additional ideas like posting to a notice board to invite more editors to the conversation.

I hope this is helpful. I'll try to chime in on the talk page discussion for the actual debate. - Wikmoz (talk) 02:34, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

With respect, what some are calling consensus and reliable sources seems to me to be what one ought rightly to call merely a dominant narrative. I disagree that there's any need for new or additional evidence in order to remove the word peaceful given that there's sufficient justification for removal in the body of the article's text:

U.S. Park Police issued a statement claiming that "at approximately 6:33 p.m., violent protestors on H Street NW began throwing projectiles including bricks, frozen water bottles, and caustic liquids." The claim was disputed by multiple reporters and video taken at the scene.

There's no need for anything further. If I understand your position, it's that there's a consensus amongst editors about whom to believe in a factual dispute and who the encyclopedia will implicitly call liars. I don't see how that is the role of a reference work.

The appropriate way to deal with this would be to make no claims about whether or not there were violent protesters, and instead note that there is a disagreement and who takes what position. This is just standard and I can't see any good reason why a special exception ought to be made in this instance. OckRaz ^talk 19:54, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

WP:DISPUTE for other resolution ideas. Try to avoid edit warring on this though because it doesn't accomplish much and will eventually result in ban. - Wikmoz (talk) 01:58, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply

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re: "the contrast between the peaceful protesters and violent law enforcement response... made the event notable" - That isn't a statement of fact though. That is an opinion. A factual description would be that the event garnered media attention because allegedly peaceful protesters were contrasted with the police use of force to clear the square. We don't know that the protesters were peaceful. That's my point. It's wrong for an encyclopedia article to be written from a point of view that takes for granted that when two sides disagree, that the disliked side is lying. OckRaz ^talk 03:19, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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PS: I've been editing for well over a decade, but I honestly don't know how much a ban really would matter if "consensus" becomes an excuse for letting mob rule decide what gets counted as the truth. I used to think it worked better than that. OckRaz ^talk 03:23, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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