Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Athletics at the 2019 European Games – Men's 100 metres
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The result was redirect to Athletics at the 2019 European Games. Salvio giuliano 22:56, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
Athletics at the 2019 European Games – Men's 100 metres
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While this may look like a "real" event at major championships, this basically were the qualifications for something called "Dynamic New Athletics", with further rounds run but somehow not included (e.g. Smelyk won the final in 10.44, and Nascimento won his semi-final in 10.26). These weren't the Olympic Championships but an overall country-vs-country event where the individual distances or events were of only minor importance.
Fram (talk) 13:50, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
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- Note: This discussion has been included in the Fram (talk) 13:50, 8 March 2023 (UTC)]
- Comment You nominate the page for not understanding the case or it actually failing GNG? If the second reason, you should nominate other events aswell. Pelmeen10 (talk) 14:41, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
- Nomination is for being a GNG-missing, incomplete page about a minor subevent which is part of a minor event itself. Athletics at the 2019 European Games is notable, this not so much. It may well be that we have other articles with the same issues, but there is no requirement at all that an AfD nominator groups all similar articles instead of nominating one of them. Fram (talk) 15:01, 8 March 2023 (UTC)]
- Nomination is for being a GNG-missing, incomplete page about a minor subevent which is part of a minor event itself. Athletics at the 2019 European Games is notable, this not so much. It may well be that we have other articles with the same issues, but there is no requirement at all that an AfD nominator groups all similar articles instead of nominating one of them.
- If you suggest the page is missing some information, that's not a reason for deletion. Looking at how Italian Wikipedia has made the page (it:Atletica leggera ai II Giochi europei - 100 metri piani maschili), all that can be included too. Pelmeen10 (talk) 14:56, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
- I draftified it arguing (among other things) that it was incomplete, you seemed to reject this then and here at the AfD. The tournament has probably the most weird formatI have ever seen, with the move from qualification to QF, SF and F not based on the results in the previous rounds at all? E.g. Nascimento was fastest in Q, but still had to run the QF for the 18 slowest athletes. And after he was the fastest in the SF, he wasn't among the finalists? A completely baffling format which needs a thorough explanation if our intention is to actually inform readers, not to leave them none the wiser after having read the page. Fram (talk) 15:06, 8 March 2023 (UTC)]
- I draftified it arguing (among other things) that it was incomplete, you seemed to reject this then and here at the AfD. The tournament has probably the most weird formatI have ever seen, with the move from qualification to QF, SF and F not based on the results in the previous rounds at all? E.g. Nascimento was fastest in Q, but still had to run the QF for the 18 slowest athletes. And after he was the fastest in the SF, he wasn't among the finalists? A completely baffling format which needs a thorough explanation if our intention is to actually inform readers, not to leave them none the wiser after having read the page.
- Oh, I do understand it. Like I said, it's a country-v-country event. Which doesn't explain why we would want articles on the individual results of he preliminary stage of sub-events, just because the organisers decided to give out medals at this point. The second link you give shows that the organisers don't really understand it either. "For the first time ever, the DNA of athletics -- running, jumping and throwing – will take place in the same event. " Never heard of the decathlon / heptathlon / pentathlon apparently? Or, if you want it across multiple athletes, something like the Fram (talk) 17:18, 8 March 2023 (UTC)]
- Imagine them stopping the competition after only 1st run and the athletes receiving medals. That would be okay right. But if somekind of competition goes on after it, it is not? There are several competitions that give out medals for individual athletes, and another set of medals for teams after combining their results. Pelmeen10 (talk) 19:32, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
- Oh, I do understand it. Like I said, it's a country-v-country event. Which doesn't explain why we would want articles on the individual results of he preliminary stage of sub-events, just because the organisers decided to give out medals at this point. The second link you give shows that the organisers don't really understand it either. "For the first time ever, the DNA of athletics -- running, jumping and throwing – will take place in the same event. " Never heard of the decathlon / heptathlon / pentathlon apparently? Or, if you want it across multiple athletes, something like the
- Keep - the event was real, with real medals being awarded as part of the 2019 European Games. Event can also serve as qualifying stage for something else (e.g European Championships may serve as a qualification for the Olympics), it does not automatically suggest the first competition is not notable. "Dynamic New Athletics" was the format of Athletics at the 2019 European Games. So it meant they award medals at every individual events first (with all nations competing). The 'DNA' style competition was a team event (unfortunately hasn't been created yet). You are more than welcome to create the page and add your mentioned results there. Pelmeen10 (talk) 14:41, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
- There rarely are medals for qualifications when the next stages are at the same venue in the next days though. This was just a minor first stage of a smallish event (not really the best European athletes by far) which was held on a country-v-country basis, i.e. where the individual results were not really important. No one argued that the event wasn't real, only that the importance of medals for being first in the qualifications of this event is minimal, and that the page does a very bad job at describing the actual event, even omissing the quarterfinals, semifinals and finals, even though they were included in the very same primary source[3]. I already said this when I draftified it (see article talk page), but to no avail. We don't have the best times ran at this event, we don't have the final results, and apparently this is deliberate. Fram (talk) 15:01, 8 March 2023 (UTC)]
- There rarely are medals for qualifications when the next stages are at the same venue in the next days though. This was just a minor first stage of a smallish event (not really the best European athletes by far) which was held on a country-v-country basis, i.e. where the individual results were not really important. No one argued that the event wasn't real, only that the importance of medals for being first in the qualifications of this event is minimal, and that the page does a very bad job at describing the actual event, even omissing the quarterfinals, semifinals and finals, even though they were included in the very same primary source[3]. I already said this when I draftified it (see article talk page), but to no avail. We don't have the best times ran at this event, we don't have the final results, and apparently this is deliberate.
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Belarus-related deletion discussions. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 15:58, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
- Redirect to Athletics at the 2019 European Games without prejudice to spinning out if there is something to actually say about it. No content other than results and statistics; Wikipedia is not a sports almanac. This is not a keep vote. Stifle (talk) 13:09, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Seraphimblade Talk to me 06:40, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
- Redirect - just because an event happened does not make it notable. Fails ]
- comment - lets try one more relist as the last vote really came on the last second. Pelmeen10 (talk) 21:07, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: One more go…
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 22:44, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
- Redirect to main article Athletics at the 2019 European Games. No indication that this event was independently notable. Nigej (talk) 11:15, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
- Redirect to main article Athletics at the 2019 European Games. Per above, no indication that this event was independently notable. In this case there is no reason to fragment the content from the main article. // Timothy :: talk 13:42, 29 March 2023 (UTC)
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