Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Simba Nagpal (2nd nomination)

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The result was keep. A discussion on whether to merge this with the draft or vice versa does not require continuation of this discussion since there's no case being made for outright deletion Star Mississippi 03:06, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Simba Nagpal

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WP:GNG. Draft article exists, so AFD is the only option. Ravensfire (talk) 13:51, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply
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  • Keep, the current article is inadequate, but a brief search indicates that there is probably sufficient coverage in mainstream media to meet
    WP:RSP but it is a UK-based weekly newspaper that looks reliable. These articles have significant content on Simba Nagpal, not just 'name checks'. I have only looked at websites linked to English-language newspapers, as I find it difficult to assess the reliability of showbusiness websites and I don't understand other Indian languages. There is likely to be sufficient reliable media coverage because he has a main role in a long-running drama series on a major TV channel. Verbcatcher (talk) 16:38, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply
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    Hi Verbcatcher , Are the sources you cite considered reliable? Some sources only mention Naagin 6. The rest of the sources are mentions of Fitness, Monsoon. Such sources every local artist gets coverage. PravinGanechari (talk) 06:23, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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WP:SIGCOV test is met rather than looking for sources to expand the article. Verbcatcher (talk) 18:22, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply
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Also I looked at the Wikipedia articles on the sources linked above, which indicate that these are well-established sources that are likely to be staffed by professional journalists, and are not 'clickbait' sites that simply copy text from elsewhere. Verbcatcher (talk) 04:08, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Anything related to film or television in the Times of India I would throw out for notability. Paid articles are a problem there, especially around film/television where studios use them to push shows and actors. I'll try to go through the sources in more detail, I know several were pretty bare mentions at best. Ravensfire (talk) 05:51, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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WP:RSP. Verbcatcher (talk) 19:39, 26 August 2022 (UTC)[reply
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Start with the Paid News section in the main Times of India article [[8]]. "where politicians, businessmen, corporations and celebrities can pay the newspaper and its journalists would carry the desired news for the payer", "TOI began the practice of "private treaties", also called as "brand capital", where new companies, individuals or movies seeking mass coverage and public relations". TOI is still generally regarded as reliable, but around tv/film, reviews are decent but the puff publicity is pretty much disregarded for notability. What is and is not paid for? TOI makes it impossible to tell and it's widespread enough that you cannot trust that anything from them is independent. Ravensfire (talk) 20:04, 26 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Please see the archived WP:RSN discussions at
WP:RSN. Verbcatcher (talk) 21:07, 26 August 2022 (UTC)[reply
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The first discussion was NOT in favor of option one, generally reliable. It was between 2 and 3, which basically summarizes the points I've been making. The second RSN discussion was about political articles. Unless I'm really confused, that's not applicable here. I'm done here, I'm clearly not going to convince you and it's not worth the effort to try anymore when you're not looking very deep at the points you present. Shocking - another poor quality article related in Indian TV/Film with poor sources and paid journalism will stay. Why do I even bother. Ravensfire (talk) 05:02, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Please do not react so defensively when someone challenges your assertions. I was attempting to discuss the reliability of the TOI sources, where your assessment does not match
WP:RSP. The second RSN discussion is about non-political matters, see its first posting. You wrote earlier that you'd try to go through the sources in more detail – have you assessed other sources that I linked? These are not "pretty bare mentions" but are articles about Nagpal. Have you made a Google News search? There are thousands of results, but you probably need to be selective to find the reliable ones. Verbcatcher (talk) 20:51, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply
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I'm actually interested about the "sockpuppet" accusation. Already ready with my popcorn. Waiting for the final verdict XD Rejoy2003 (talk)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Comr Melody Idoghor (talk) 19:49, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting as there are a number of different options suggested here. I'm surprised to see this back at AFD so soon after its first nomination but I guess it didn't stay a redirect for long.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 21:19, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep: I also feel that the actor should be on article page as said by some of the editors above, he has his own significant coverage and notability. Currently working in Popular Channels show and also appeared in some reality shows. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShokLionYt (talk • contribs) 08:39, 26 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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