Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates

WP:ITN/C

This page provides a forum for editors to suggest items for inclusion on

WP:ERRORS. Archives of past nominations can be found here

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This candidates page is integrated with the daily pages of Portal:Current events. Under each daily section header below is the transcluded Portal:Current events items for that day (with a light green header). Each day's portal page is followed by a subsection for suggestions and discussion.
A blurb is a one sentence summary of the news story. An alternate suggestion for the blurb is called an altblurb, and any more suggestions get labelled alt1, alt2, etc. A blurb needs at least one target article, highlighted in bold; reviewers check the quality of that article and whether it is updated, and whether reliable sources demonstrate the significance of the event. Other articles can also be linked. The Ongoing line is for regularly updated articles which cover events that remain in the news over a longer period of time. RD stands for the "recent deaths" line, and can include any living thing whose death was recently announced. In some cases, recent deaths may need additional explanation as provided by a blurb; this is decided by consensus.

Earthquake damage in Diyarbakır

An earthquake (damage pictured) strikes Turkey and Syria, killing more than 7,000 people and injuring more than 30,000 others.

Former Pakistani president Pervez Musharraf dies at the age of 79.

A Chinese balloon suspected of surveillance and espionage is shot down after overflying Canada and the United States.

Comet C/2022 E3 (ZTF) makes its closest approach to the Earth.

A suicide bombing in a mosque in Peshawar, Pakistan, kills 100 people and injures more than 220 others.

Ongoing:

Peruvian protests

Russian invasion of Ukraine

Recent deaths:

Jürgen Flimm

Sherif Ismail

Charles Silverstein

C. Lalitha

Barrett Strong

David Durenberger

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Format your comment to contain "support" or "oppose", and include a rationale for your choice. In particular, address the notability of the event, the quality of the article, and whether it has been updated.

Please do...

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February 7

Portal:Current events/2023 February 7

February 7, 2023 (2023-02-07) (Tuesday)

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Law and crime

2023 Brazilian Congress attack
The
Brazilian Congress. (Reuters)

Two of four Japanese gang leaders based in the Philippines are deported on suspicion of ordering around 2,300 cases of robberies and phone fraud activities worth ¥3.5 billion (US$26.4 million) in Japan. (AFP via The Manila Times)

Politics and elections

2023 Solomon Islands protests
Police use
no-confidence vote. Suidani was one of the strongest critics of the government's approach to China. (The Guardian)

RD: Harry Whittington

Article: Harry Whittington (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:

Nominated by Knightoftheswords281 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Notable late 20th century and 2000s Texan political figure Crusader1096 (message) 04:17, 7 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply
]
RD: Janet Anderson

Article: Janet Anderson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [2]
Credits:

Nominated by Lankyant (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Notable British political figure Lankyant (talk) 18:04, 7 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply
]
Currently needs some ref improvement. - Indefensible (talk) 19:08, 7 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

February 6

Portal:Current events/2023 February 6

February 6, 2023 (2023-02-06) (Monday)

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Armed conflicts and attacks

Israeli–Palestinian conflict
Five
Israeli soldiers and subsequent gunbattle at a refugee camp near Jericho, in the West Bank. (BBC News)

Somali Civil War
Puntland–Somaliland dispute
At least 34 people are killed and 40 others are injured during clashes between
government fighters in Laascaanood, Sool, Somaliland. (Reuters)

Arts and culture

Major Archbishop Sviatoslav Shevchuk of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church announces that the church will begin using the Revised Julian calendar on September 1, following a decision by the Synod of Bishops. (UGCC)

Disasters and accidents

2023 Turkey–Syria earthquake
At least 5,434 people are killed in Turkey and more than 1,509 others are killed in Syria as a magnitude 7.8 earthquake strikes Gaziantep Province, Turkey. (AFP via RFI)

A second earthquake of magnitude 7.5 occurs in Kahramanmaraş, Turkey, nine hours after the first earthquake. (Bloomberg)

2023 Coulson Aviation crash
A
Boeing 737-300 firefighting tanker crashes in Fitzgerald River National Park in Western Australia. Both pilots survive. (7 News)

mudslides across villages in the Camaná Province, Peru, killing 36 people. (AP)

Law and crime

Hong Kong national security law
The trial of 47 pro-democracy activists begins, two years after their arrest. It is the largest trial yet held under the Hong Kong national security law. (DW)

Science and technology

Censorship of Wikipedia, Internet censorship in Pakistan
Pakistani Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif orders the ban on Wikipedia to be lifted, three days after the website was banned for alleged anti-Muslim and blasphemous content. (ProPakistani)

RD: David Harris (protester)

Article: David Harris (protester) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Leader of the American draft resistance movement during the Vietnam War. Thriley (talk) 20:18, 7 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply
]
RD: Răzvan Theodorescu

Article: Răzvan Theodorescu (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Digi24.ro
Credits:

Nominated by Curbon7 (talk · give credit)

Updated by Cetateanul Rosu (talk · give credit) and Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Former Romanian senator. Looks pretty good. Curbon7 (talk) 06:23, 7 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply
]
RD: Lubomír Štrougal

Article: Lubomír Štrougal (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC News WashPo
Credits:

Nominated by Curbon7 (talk · give credit)

Updated by Mohamad Darilin (talk · give credit) and Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Former Czechoslovak prime minister. Needs source work. Curbon7 (talk) 06:23, 7 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply
]
Currently needs ref improvement. - Indefensible (talk) 06:44, 7 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Niamh Bhreathnach

Article: Niamh Bhreathnach (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Irish Times
Credits:

Nominated by Indefensible (talk · give credit)

Updated by Iveagh Gardens (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Irish politician. - Indefensible (talk) 04:17, 7 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply
]

(Posted) 2023 Turkey–Syria earthquake

Consensus to post will not change; no need for further discussion. Updates should be discussed at
WP:ERRORS. --NAC by The ⬡ Bestagon ^T/_C 12:25, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply
]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Macroseismic intensity map by the USGS

Article:
Gaziantep, Turkey, killing at least 138. (Post)
Alternative blurb: A magnitude 7.8 earthquake strikes Turkey and Syria, killing at least 175 people and injuring more than 900 others.
Alternative blurb II: A magnitude 7.8 earthquake strikes Turkey and Syria, killing at least 360 people and injuring more than 956.
News source(s): The New York Times, CNN, AP

Credits:

Nominated by Sdkb (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Media reports significant casualties and damage likely. Seems ITN-worthy. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 02:49, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Wait until confirmation of initial death toll. A 7.8 can be deadly, but also could be effectively nothing, though that seems unlikely at this point. Masem (t) 02:57, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

CNN is reporting at least 17 dead, so that's sufficient for me. But should wait a few more hours to collect more information and get a good article on this. --Masem (t) 03:55, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support AP reports at least 5 deaths in Turkey. Ionmars10 (talk) 03:03, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wait. Sure, major damage has been reported, but no deaths have been confirmed. If the death toll becomes decently high or something else like that happens, then I would put it ITN. Idontknowlol7 03:03, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wait until death toll becomes clear NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 03:05, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wait per above. Worth waiting for more concrete information on deaths and/or damages. Should clear notability in the end, but no rush right now. DarkSide830 (talk) 03:21, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support posting now, which is when people are actually looking to us to help them find this content. On significance, The New York Times is reporting that "significant casualties are likely".
[majestic titan] 04:24, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply
]
Remember that our goal is to feature quality articles that happen to be in the news, not to be a news ticker. Not that this won't get posted (the death count numbers are rapidly going up) but we want to make sure the article is in reasonable shape before posting. Masem (t) 04:34, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support per AP reports 195 deaths in Turkey and Syria. Dora the Axe-plorer (explore) 05:20, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support - nearly 200 dead last time I checked and its been a few hours. Tragic. Crusader1096 (message) 05:34, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support Terrible international tragedy. Article is high enough quality.— Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 05:39, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support posting now for reasons above Chidgk1 (talk) 06:07, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Supportdeath toll keeps rising, over 200 only in Syria per CNNParadise Chronicle (talk) 06:36, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support -- horrible news. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 06:32, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support terrible number of victims. Article looks good enough to go. _-_Alsor (talk) 06:40, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support - Unfortunately, the earthquake was not only strong, but very shallow and close to the city. It will surely take days to get an accurate picture of the damage and casualties. We won't get any value from waiting further.
Daß Wölf 06:42, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply
]

Posted. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 06:42, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Update - (BNO News) Death toll is up to 604 now, so it should be changed to "at least 600". Elijahandskip (talk) 06:51, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Image The greatest need is an image. I've suggested a suitable map above as most of our readers will not be familiar with Turkish geography. Otherwise, the article still needs work but that's typical of breaking news. For example, the article is confused as to whether this is the "strongest ever recorded" or tied with earlier events. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:04, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Update - Earthquake Kills More Than 1,200 in Turkey and Syria. The New York Times - https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/02/05/world/turkey-earthquake . M.Karelin (talk) 11:14, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support This is terrible news, the amount of death is catastrophic, definitely worthy for ITN. Vriend1917 (talk) 11:35, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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February 5

Portal:Current events/2023 February 5

February 5, 2023 (2023-02-05) (Sunday)

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Arts and culture

65th Annual Grammy Awards
American singer Beyoncé sets a Grammy Awards record for the most wins, surpassing Hungarian conductor Georg Solti. (NPR)

Disasters and accidents

Eight people in Austria and two others in Switzerland are killed by a series of avalanches. (BBC News)

At least eight people are killed and 42 others are injured when a
bus crashes and overturns in Afyonkarahisar Province, Turkey. (ABC News)

Health and environment

South Africa reports imported cases of cholera in two sisters who travelled to Malawi. (Reuters)

Law and crime

2022–2023 Peruvian protests
The government extends the state of emergency in the Apurímac, Arequipa, Cuzco, Madre de Dios, Moquegua, Puno, and Tacna departments until April 7. (AFP via VOA)

Politics and elections

2023 Cypriot presidential election
Cypriots head to the polls to elect their new President. (AFP via France 24)

A runoff is called for 12 February between Nikos Christodoulides and Andreas Mavroyiannis. (The Guardian)

2023 Ecuadorian constitutional referendum
constitutional reform. (Infobae)

2023 Monegasque general election
Parliament. (Euronews)

People's Deputy of Ukraine Davyd Arakhamia announces that military intelligence chief Kyrylo Budanov will replace Oleksii Reznikov as Minister of Defense following a corruption scandal. (AFP via ABS-CBN News)

Elections in Monaco

Article: 2023 Monegasque general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: In the Monegasque general elections, the Monegasque National Union wins all 24 seats in the National Council. (Post)
News source(s): 1 2
Credits:

Nominated by The Bestagon (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on
WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: ITN/R, but the article might need some improvement. The ⬡ Bestagon ^T/_C 12:31, 7 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply
]
Support Comparing it to the article for the Beninese parlimentary election in January, it stacks up solidly. It definitely could use some work, but this seems pretty good. TheBlueSkyClub (talk) 16:14, 7 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Hsing Yun

Article: Hsing Yun (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Focus Taiwan
Credits:

Nominated by Curbon7 (talk · give credit)

Updated by Mohamad Darilin (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Prominent Buddhist monk. Sourcing and prose look alright. Curbon7 (talk) 06:09, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply
]
Support - article seems to meet requirements. - Indefensible (talk) 23:49, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support - The article is not badly written and the person is no doubt worldwide famous.--RekishiEJ (talk) 08:37, 7 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: May Sayegh

Article: May Sayegh (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Raya.ps
Credits:

Updated and nominated by Curbon7 (talk · give credit)

Updated by Egeymi (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Palestinian poet and activist. Prose and sourcing seem good. Curbon7 (talk) 06:09, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply
]
Support - Article good enough. The ⬡ Bestagon ^T/_C 06:17, 7 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support Article seems fine. Skynxnex (talk) 17:00, 7 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Grammys

Article: 65th Annual Grammy Awards (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: At the Grammy Awards, About Damn Time by Lizzo wins Record of the Year, while Harry's House by Harry Styles wins Album of the Year. (Post)
Alternative blurb: At the 65th Annual Grammy Awards, Beyoncé and Maverick City Music win the most (four)
Alternative blurb II: At the 65th Annual Grammy Awards, performer Samara Joy wins Best New Artist and Best Jazz Vocal Album
Alternative blurb III: At the 65th Annual Grammy Awards, Dr. Dre wins the Dr. Dre Global Impact Award
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on
WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: This is ITNR, but this article lacks a good balance of prose to be even ready for posting (we had this problem last year too). Lack of sufficient prose update may be reason to question this ITNR, but that will be after this nomination closes. Masem (t) 04:57, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply
]
Support if prose is fixed per nom comments. Crusader1096 (message) 05:37, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support - Per @Knightoftheswords281 PrecariousWorlds (talk) 08:44, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I agree with Masem, this sure is quite the list. It needs a lot of work for the prose to be serviceable for the front-page as an encyclopedic article. I don't believe it makes sense to question the ITN/R status based on this, but that might not be a discussion for this page. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:54, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Oppose per policy
WP:NOTPROMOTION. This is a typical trade show in which there are zillions of categories so that everyone can get name-checked and a prize. And it's a sign of the moribund state of the gramophone biz that ABBA is high in the lists. And there's lots of genre fragmentation so it's a POV to highlight rap rather than country, jazz or gospel. And even then, the genres here are just traditional American rather than global – there doesn't seem to be any Cantopop, K-pop, Desi, Afrobeats etc. that much of the world's population prefers. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:52, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply
]
This might be another (more) relevant argument for removing the Grammies from ITN/R. Currently it still is, and it would be likely to be posted if the article is fixed up appropriately. I will start a discussion at Wikipedia talk:In the news to measure consensus on the Grammies' ITN/R situation. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 10:14, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

For what it's worth, Wikipedia considers that a disco/funk/pop record, not rap. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:02, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Wikipedia seems to be covering its bets about the Lizzo track. Having just watched the official video, I have no particular opinion about its musical style but am quite sure that it's very American. I'm content with ABBA and Nena but, as ever, de gustibus non est disputandum... Andrew🐉(talk) 13:03, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Music is universal, my friend. The lyrics are definitely in American English. But the tune is disco as Hell and very little rhymes (alright with lights, celebrate with OK). InedibleHulk (talk) 13:22, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

NOTPROMOTION would apply to nearly all sporting events save for the Olympics since the goal is the money and fame from the victory. We should be aware that ceremonies are intended to draw audiences and thus are going to be promotional in nature, but the underlying competition is not (to an observable degree) driven by pure commercial interests. (Also, ABBA reunited recently and thus there's no reason to dismiss their win, it is not like they are winning on 30+ yr old songs). Masem (t) 13:18, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
We can dismiss their win because they didn't win anything, though. InedibleHulk (talk) 13:55, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Oppose - Noting this for the record, although it's ITN/R, per Andrew (for once) and due to the fact we're unable to get the Grammy articles into serviceable shape year after year, which to me demonstrates that not enough people care about it.--⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 13:37, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Oppose - I'll be bold and oppose this one on notability, just like WaltCip right above. It's ITN/R, but should it be, really? Not enough people care about it to get the article in good shape for the main page anyway... The ⬡ Bestagon ^T/_C 14:03, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Oppose I busted my ass fixing those ampersands, but so long as there's a consensus developing, I also don't care enough to write something good. InedibleHulk (talk) 14:05, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Oppose per WaltCip on notability and suggest removal from ITN/R if it is having consistent issues getting up to par quality-wise. Noah^Talk 14:07, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support in principle, major music Award Kirill C1 (talk) 19:08, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Oppose per above Editor 5426387 (talk) 19:11, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Note - "The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet
WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance." 174.113.161.1 (talk) 23:07, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply
]

Support if fixed, but not opposed to having a discussion about the ITNR significance for moving forward. Anarchyte (talk) 10:56, 7 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted blurb) RD/Blurb:Pervez Musharraf

Consensus for a blurb is clear and well-founded. No need for any further debate.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:36, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Pervez Musharraf

Article: Pervez Musharraf (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: Former Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf (pictured) dies at the age of 79. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, BBC, NYT
Credits:

Nominated by The Bestagon (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.
The ⬡ Bestagon ^T/_C 07:04, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply
]
Support blurb -- given that he was instrumental in effecting the coup. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 07:32, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support blurb - Article in good shape, although some of the tenses still need to be sorted, but that shouldn’t hold anything up. - SchroCat (talk) 08:03, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Comment - I think we need to figure this out. Are deaths of former heads of state ITN/R? PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:32, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
We had this same discussion when Constantine II died, and I don't think we reached a consensus PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:49, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Comment: Add exile in Dubai to the blurb? Only a suggestion.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 08:24, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Death blurbs don't usually include location, I think. Juxlos (talk) 09:54, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD no blurb A routine death with no special features or update which therefore belongs at RD. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:15, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Last living military head of state of the 5th most populous country. Joofjoof (talk) 13:47, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It's ironic to read in The Signpost that Wikipedia is now blocked in Pakistan... Andrew🐉(talk) 22:30, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Old Man Dies of same thing at same age as Antonio Inoki, but without changing the game. InedibleHulk (talk) 11:38, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I was unaware that Inoki had become president of Japan through a coup d'état and was subsequently sentenced to death for treason. How could I not know that! _-_Alsor (talk) 12:33, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Inoki did things his peers didn't and his industry hadn't. Set new records, affecting the way wrestling is done and MMA is promoted. That's way better than becoming another famous criminal, in my eyes. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:42, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hmm, should have told Jon Stewart before the show. Joofjoof (talk) 14:12, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The article is in a great shape, I am posting RD for the time being. Blurb discussion can continue, I see good reasons for posting. --Tone 12:08, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Where? In this nom, you see one reason for posting, good or bad. Rockstone said he was instrumental in the coup. InedibleHulk (talk) 13:10, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Oppose blurb I'm not seeing any clear indicator in the article to speak of his legacy or impact, nor can read that from the information given - his period of leadership had a lot of turmoil but that doesn't equate to being a major world figure or the like --Masem (t) 14:02, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support blurb Sui generis major figure. ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 14:24, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support Blurb One of the more significant leaders of his country and in the region more broadly. Prominet on the world stage. Article is in good shape for a pleasant change. Referencing is solid. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:09, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support Blurb, Article is good enough, He was one famous figure in the region. Alex-h (talk) 17:44, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support Long term dictator, initiated a
coup which started his reign of about a decade only ending after a long (internationally noted) protest movement the assassination of the first woman prime minsiter of a Muslim country, was sentenced to death (which we did post), but was overturned. All of these are blurbable events, his death naturally should follow. Gotitbro (talk) 18:25, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply
]

Oppose blurb Being a prominent world leader is not enough for a blurb. The standard should be RD unless there are exceptional circumstances and I'm not seeing that here. Pawnkingthree (talk) 19:30, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Respectfully disagree. IMHO being a prominent world leader is a very good standard for blurbing deceased heads of state/government. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:06, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support he had a lot of notable events during his time in power (the coup, Kargil War etc). He gave the infamous NRO which allowed many politicians such as Nawaz Sharif (who later became prime minister again in 2013) and Benazir Bhutto to return to the country without fear of corruption cases. Although the order was later overturned, the politicians who had returned due to the NRO were already back in power. He definitely left a legacy and in my opinion, he deserves to be blurbed. Hamza Ali Shah ^Talk 19:35, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support blurb With respect to OMD, we wouldn't hesitate to post the death of a former US president; Musharraf was a major figure in the South Asia region broadly (hence, international), and is in recent memory still. Curbon7 (talk) 20:31, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Posted blurb. There is sufficient consensus here, with good reasoning. — Amakuru (talk) 21:55, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The posted blurb is missing a period at the end. 108.46.24.72 (talk) 22:23, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Good catch, thank you. — Amakuru (talk) 22:30, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Whoo, crisis averted. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 23:59, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Post-facto support blurb, in case this becomes controversial. Leader of the world's sixth-most populous country for a non-trivial period, and was leading one side during the world's first
war between nuclear-armed countries
. Should be an obvious blurb. 02:40, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Support blurb—Longtime ruler of a country which had over 150 million people at the time (over 200 million now), he led Pakistan's military government during a very consequential period in its history (an insurgency, an earthquake, and a bunch of other major events and developments). A no-brainer, frankly. Kurtis ^(talk) 02:49, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Post-posting oppose – Only really one line added to the article about his death; the update to this article does not seem frontpage-worthy at all. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 07:48, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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February 4

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February 4, 2023 (2023-02-04) (Saturday)

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Armed conflicts and attacks

2023 China balloon incident
The
east coast of the United States, and suspends arrivals at Myrtle Beach International Airport, Charleston International Airport, and Wilmington International Airport after President Joe Biden orders the high-altitude balloon to be shot down over the Atlantic Ocean. (Euro Weekly News)

The high-altitude balloon is shot down by a United States Air Force F-22 Raptor over the Atlantic Ocean at 2:39 PM EST. An operation to collect the remnants of the balloon in U.S. territorial waters is currently underway. It is the first time that an aircraft has been shot down in the United States since World War II. (AP) (CNN)

Disasters and accidents

At least 16 people are killed and 66 others are injured in a multiple-vehicle collision along a highway in Changsha, Hunan, China. (AFP via The Straits Times)

Nine sailors are missing after their
capsizes off the coast of Sinan County, South Jeolla Province, South Korea. President Yoon Suk-yeol has deployed the coast guard to conduct an air-sea rescue for the missing people. (AFP via Oman Daily Observer)

Two people are killed and three others are injured by an avalanche in Raghistan District, Badakhshan Province, Afghanistan. (5DariyaNews)

Health and environment

February 2023 North American cold wave
Mount Washington in New Hampshire, United States, records the lowest wind chill temperature in the country at −108 °F (−78 °C). (AFP via Manila Bulletin)

RD: Ismail Tipi

Article: Ismail Tipi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Hessenschau.de
Credits:

Nominated by Curbon7 (talk · give credit)

Updated by Egeymi (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Incumbent German MLA. Article needs updating and a little source work. Curbon7 (talk) 06:27, 7 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply
]
(Posted) RD: Jürgen Flimm

Article: Jürgen Flimm (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Merkur and many others, including Die Zeit but I have no access.
Credits:

Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

Updated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Theatre and opera director and manager, loved by the audience, Salzburg Festival and Berlin State Opera. The 2004 article was almost ref-free and quite close to what the Berlin opera had about him. Many good obits, with more detail possible if you have time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:46, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply
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Support Looks good for our purposes; well-cited and holistic. Excellent work as usual. Curbon7 (talk) 06:21, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Posted Step hen 00:12, 7 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Vani Jairam

Article: Vani Jairam (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Rediff, The Times of India
Credits:

Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
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Nominator's comments: Noted Singer Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 06:54, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply
]
Oppose Many whole paragraphs and sections of the article (as well as most of the awards) are unsourced and it appears to be written in a very hagiographic manner. Black Kite (talk) 12:53, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) RD: Sherif Ismail

Article: Sherif Ismail (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): SCMP, MSN
Credits:

Nominated by Indefensible (talk · give credit)

Created by Egeymi (talk · give credit)

Updated by Egeymi (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Former Egyptian prime minister. - Indefensible (talk) 20:20, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply
]
Support - looks good. Well cited. Crusader1096 (talk) 22:15, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Comment I think a little more about his political career can be explained. He was for almost three years PM at a turbulent time in the country's recent history. _-_Alsor (talk) 22:52, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support, Article is good. Alex-h (talk) 17:31, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support Sufficient for our purposes. Article is well-cited and covers the important parts. Curbon7 (talk) 20:28, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Posted Step hen 00:10, 7 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

São Paulo scuttled

The carrier in 2013

Article: Brazilian aircraft carrier São Paulo (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: The Brazilian aircraft carrier São Paulo is scuttled in the Atlantic after ports refused to accept the hazard of scrapping it (Post)
News source(s): CBC; Reuters; Al Jazeera; Guardian; NYT
Credits:

Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)

Updated by FelipeFritschF (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Nominator's comments: The sinking of a capital ship of 32,000 tons is significant and the pollution aspect adds to this. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:24, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support - ITN worth, plus we posted the sinking of the HTMS Sukhothai a month and a half ago. Crusader1096 (talk) 19:30, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
We posted Sukhothai due to the death toll, no one died here, just a routine decomissioning of a ship. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 19:44, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
This wasn't routine. It was towed around at sea for months, desperately trying to find a scrapyard that would take it. The scuttling was then a last resort to avoid it sinking in an even worse place. The prolonged agony was in the news and now we have the climax. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:11, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Oppose - Ship decomissioned, not really a big deal. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 19:45, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I really want you to explain why this is significant, because I'm just not seeing it.--⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 21:11, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support Capital ships sinking, whether planned or unplanned, isn’t something that happens often. The Kip (talk) 21:14, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Oppose per above. Insignificant. _-_Alsor (talk) 22:53, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Oppose Intentional sinking of a decommissioned ship with very little impact. If the ports actually accepted it and it got scrapped like intended this most likely wouldn't have been nominated for ITN. Lewis Hulbert (talk) 06:33, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Supportthat they try to get rid of a toxic issue by dumping it into the nature where it doesn't bother humans is ITN worthyParadise Chronicle (talk) 08:12, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Oppose it was already in the works to be scuttled when it was pulled out from port and forced these steps. This tends to happen to all large ships. --Masem (t) 14:04, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support The noteworthy part is the fact that numerous governments refused to let it dock under pressure from environmental groups, and as a result the Brazilian navy is scuttling the ship despite the presence of substantial toxic materials aboard. The involvement and interface of multiple governments and internationally recognized environmental groups in itself makes this signigicant. The media coverage around this has been extensive and highlights Brazil's failed attempt to recycle the ship sustainably. The noteworthiness argument here isn't about being a planned vs unplanned decommissioning, its about the months long process that @Andrew: mentioned, and the ultimate outcome, which could set a precedent for other ships and the handling of toxic vessels in the South Asian sea. Schwinnspeed (talk) 15:55, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It should be pointed out that the reason action was taken is that the last inspection of the hull found holes that were beyond the state of repairs that the ship was going to go down soon, so that forced the end of the process here, (they didn't want it sinking in any port) it was not like they legally exhausted all options, etc. So it would not really be fair to call this a groundsetting outcome. --Masem (t) 16:02, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Multiple sources state that there is no explanation why the navy did not take the ship back, and its condition deteriorated further as the ship circled as a result. There is media coverage [1] [2] around the argument from environmental groups that Brazil violated international convention. The notability here is in the process itself not the ultimate outcome Schwinnspeed (talk) 16:29, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Oppose How is an aircraft carrier ITN-worthy? Evan224 (talk) 16:31, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
There are numerous situations in which "an aircraft carrier" can be ITN-worthy. Curbon7 (talk) 20:24, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Oppose per PrecariousWorlds. DarkSide830 (talk) 16:35, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:48, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support There is a significant backstory to this involving a huge environmental threat from the ship which was(is?) full of dangerous materials. It recently got front page news coverage from the NY Times. A lot of people were quite exercised over the idea of sinking her but they couldn't find a port that would allow the ship to be docked even on a temporary basis. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:21, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support per Ad Orientem BilledMammal (talk) 18:08, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Closed as duplicate; see below) 2023 China balloon incident

See #The balloons go up. Anarchyte (talk) 13:17, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Article: 2023 China balloon incident (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: The Pentagon (pictured) alleges that two Chinese surveillance balloons have violated the airspace of the United States, Canada and countries in Latin America. (Post)

Speedy close this is already under discussion below. _-_Alsor (talk) 13:04, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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February 3

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February 3, 2023 (2023-02-03) (Friday)

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Armed conflicts and attacks

Tigray War
Tigrayan peace process
Ethiopian prime minister Abiy Ahmed meets with officials of the Tigray People's Liberation Front for the first time since the signing of a peace treaty in November. (AFP via RFI)

Business and economy

The FTSE 100 Index, the main share index of the 100 most highly capitalized companies listed on the London Stock Exchange, reaches a record intraday value of 7,906.58 points, surpassing the previous highest intraday value of 7,903.50 points recorded on May 22, 2018. (AFP via Barron's)

Disasters and accidents

2023 Chile wildfires
wildfires that have killed at least 23 people and burned up to 8,000 hectares and also declares a catastrophe in the Biobío region amid a summer heat wave. (Reuters)

Three people are killed and several others are injured when a bus overturns near Murska Sobota, Prekmurje, Slovenia. (AP)

At least seventeen people are killed in a head-on collision between a bus and a truck in Kohat District, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan. (AP)

International relations

2023 China balloon incident
China–United States relations
The
U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken postpones his official visit to Beijing, initially scheduled for February 5, in response to the incident. (The Independent) (The Guardian) (Al Jazeera)

The
high altitude balloon has been discovered flying over Latin America. (NBC News)

Law and crime

Corruption in South Korea
A court in South Korea sentences former justice minister Cho Kuk to two years in prison after convicting him on charges of abuse of power and for helping his children enter prestigious schools using fake credentials. (The Washington Post)

Science and technology

The
Federal Public Ministry. (AFP via RFI)

Norfolk Southern train derailment

Article:

Norfolk Southern train derailment in East Palestine, Ohio causes an evacuation due to vinyl chloride released into the air
News source(s): CNN; CNN; CBS; NBC

Credits:

Updated and nominated by 636Buster (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Event is ongoing and perhaps should be posted if/when the remaining rail cars explode. 636Buster (talk) 13:11, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This will need a dedicated article (like Norfolk Southern train derailment) in order to be posted. For now there's not much to say here. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 13:19, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That there were no appreciable human harm (only the evacuation), this may be not be significant enough to post. --Masem (t) 13:21, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I can monitor this today and follow up if there is any significant destruction or loss of life if the train does explode as they expect. 636Buster (talk) 13:48, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Life is imitating art, apparently a little too closely. Don DeLillo's modern classic White Noise is finally a movie. It was filmed almost entirely in northeastern Ohio. 2607:F470:E:22:41A:EBED:8E3C:A7B0 (talk) 15:01, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose No wikipedia content has been written about the event. We have no article to direct readers to so they can learn more about it. --Jayron 32 15:08, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Comment A separate article is likely needed. Curbon7 (talk) 23:45, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose theres no seperate article, and also theres barely any information about this event. TomMasterReal^TALK 02:07, 7 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose Even if there was a separate article, this doesn’t seem notable enough to post. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 06:22, 7 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Comment/Update There is now a dedicated article at 2023 Ohio train derailment regarding this incident and I've changed the article for nomination as such. 636Buster (talk) 15:23, 7 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Ready) RD: Paco Rabanne

Article: Paco Rabanne (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Nominated by Mooonswimmer (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see

WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article needs some cleanup and sourcing work Mooonswimmer 20:20, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply

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Almost Well-cited and holistic enough for our purposes. There is only one outstanding CN tag in the Eccentricities section; once that is rectified, consider this a support. Curbon7 (talk) 10:07, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I have removed that paragraph. I don't think it adds anything interesting or relevant. _-_Alsor (talk) 15:42, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support looks enough for me. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:20, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Comment There's an outstanding tag about the lead's length.—Bagumba (talk) 17:05, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Tag was removed and lead expanded.—Bagumba (talk) 14:34, 7 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) The balloons go up

No need for more discussion, as consensus will not change towards pulling. (non-admin closure) --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 06:34, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Video of the first balloon falling

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suspected Chinese spy balloon that was flying across Canada and the United States is shot down by US aircraft
Alternative blurb IV: A balloon originating from China suspected of surveillance and espionage is shot down over the coast of South Carolina, causing a diplomatic crisis.
Alternative blurb V: A Chinese surveillance balloon is shot down after overflying Canada and the United States.
News source(s): BBC; CNN; NYT

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Credits:

Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
Created by No Swan So Fine (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: We like shooting things down but President Biden has been advised not to do this. No-one is quite sure what it is so possibilities include

more. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:28, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply

]

Weak support - Mainly supporting this due to the extensive news coverage it has been getting, but at the same time I do think a lot of this has been sensationalised, and I have a feeling this will have no significant impact, and everyone will forget about it in a week's time. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 19:04, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Altblurb II seems to be the most well-written. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 19:08, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support: This is a major diplomatic incident in geopolitics as China and the United States are one of the most powerful countries in the world and any incursion by one onto the other's territory is ITN. If we add Chinese incursions into Kashmir to ITN, we should add this as well. I also support a mix of Altblurbs II and III. Djprasadian (talk) 23:13, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support It’s been shot down, there’s 2, the Chinese government is denying it which usually means that they did do it and are hiding it. Vriend1917 (talk) 23:38, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support What are we waiting for? This is dominating the headlines everywhere, it's better that we post this global ongoing event instead of waiting around for nothing. Evan224 (talk) 01:51, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Comment you guys need to figure this out soon. 🍁🏳️‍🌈 DinoSoupCanada 🏳️‍🌈 🍁 (talk) 13:21, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

A captured Fu-Go balloon

in California

Unsure about the article yet, I think it will need a bit more work before it's ready. The image doesn't seem appropriate at all: an image of a balloon of the same design might be acceptable, but a WWII Japanese balloon does not work for us here. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:39, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The image (right) is mainly a placeholder as I expect we'll get a free image as and when it gets near a Wikipedian. But also, as an encyclopedia, we have lots of material about historical precedents and it's good to air it on such occasions. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:44, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The duplicate nomination suggested a picture of the Pentagon briefing, so we might try that. The article has a picture of the actual balloon but that's fair-use and fuzzy and so not adequate for ITN, yet. Andrew🐉(talk) 14:04, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I love that argument and I agree that it would be great. I am worried about lots of implications in comparing this incident with Emperial Japan sending a balloon to the US in the middle of a war. We shouldn't suggest the two incidents are equivalent, I believe. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:56, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It appears that China and the US are engaged in a Second Cold War. See also Chinese espionage in the United States. This also reminds me of the 1960 U-2 incident and it's conceivable that it could have come from Russia. It will be interesting to see if it's captured... Andrew🐉(talk) 10:20, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

A cold war is not comparable to a war with a lot of active fighting. This doesn't at all diminish the notability of an incident like this, but comparing espionage with direct attacks can create undue fear. This balloon is not going to drop bombs. The U2 incident might be a better comparison, but that would feel like an even odder image to include. Unless we had a tradition of linking news items back to past events, which would've been nice maybe... ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 10:33, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It appears that the US is working on its own balloons too. Apparently these are to counter hypersonic weapons -- who knew? The plot thickens... Andrew🐉(talk) 10:44, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
My personal opinion is that everyone should come together with these balloons and throw a party PrecariousWorlds (talk) 20:39, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
And it's interesting to read that "Back then, Eisenhower tried to minimize it at first, ordering the NASA press office, stunningly, to say the U-2 had been conducting “weather research,” and that Powers might just have strayed a trifle off course and wandered over top-secret Soviet military facilities..." History repeats! Andrew🐉(talk) 17:45, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This is only barely comparable to the U-2 incident and it’s silly to argue that comparison. A spy plane pilot getting shot down and held as a POW is worlds apart from a spy balloon being spotted.

If anything, this is just a slightly escalated version of an average spy satellite. The Kip (talk) 19:10, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wait ~~-- unless this actually develops into something, I don't think this is (yet) appropriate for ITN. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 10:06, 3 February 2023 (UTC)~~Reply[reply]
Oppose for now it’s anecdotal and, as you well know Andrew, this kind of things are not ITN-worthy. _-_Alsor (talk) 10:24, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It's currently the top read story on the BBC and is apparently all over Chinese social media too. For a European connection which you may appreciate see a favourite song of mine: "The President is on the line..." Andrew🐉(talk) 10:40, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I guess you may have noticed by now that not every "top read story on the BBC" is ITNR-worthy, as this is not a news paper. _-_Alsor (talk) 11:15, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Of course this is a newspaper. The offical signaling from the Pentagon makes it clear this is sn important story. I do think we need a closer awareness of journalistic practice on Wikipedia. No Swan So Fine (talk) 12:08, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It's not

WP:NOTNP

. Btw, the Department of Defense statement reads: "Ryder said the balloon is well above commercial air traffic and doesn't pose a threat to civil aviation. He also said this isn't the first time such a balloon has been seen over the United States", and "Currently, we assess that this balloon has limited additive value from an intelligence collective collection perspective," the official said. "But we are taking steps, nevertheless, to protect against foreign intelligence collection of sensitive information."

Another case of American overdramatization for everything. _-_Alsor (talk) 12:37, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I also don't understand the purpose of including a photo of a Fu-Go balloon bomb when the purpose of the "suspicious balloon" has not even been confirmed. Let's not alarm. _-_Alsor (talk) 12:40, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support - official signaling from the Pentagon is probably indicative of this story's noteworthiness. Crusader1096 (talk) 12:10, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Additionally, it has been confirmed that the Biden administration is moving to down the balloon. Crusader1096 (talk) 19:31, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Update: plane was shot down by US aircraft. @Rockstone35 @Alsoriano97 @Modest Genius @Thebiguglyalien @Vriend1917 @Jayron32 @Editor 5426387 @GenevieveDEon @WaltCip @Rsrikanth05 @Masem @The Kip y'all may want to reconsider. Crusader1096 (talk) 19:51, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

so…? _-_Alsor (talk) 19:54, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The the highly publicized downing of a balloon, regardless if it was Chinese or not, under a coordinated military operation is unprecedented and I firmly believe that arguing that that this isn't newsworthy is rather foolish. Crusader1096 (talk) 22:24, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

If a war breaks out, perhaps then. -- Rsrikanth05 (talk) 20:03, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Is that the threshold for posting to ITN now? [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 13:45, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I never said that but this isn't a U-2 being shot down is it? -- Rsrikanth05 (talk) 18:12, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Disappointed I wasn't @'ed

Regardless, there's still a balloon over South America, and the diplomatic crisis isn't over. But yeah this does start to hurt the notability, we better reach a consensus quick before the story becomes stale. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 20:44, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Still Oppose - even if it got shot down, the news is not ITN-worthy unless something MAJOR results, like a war, per above. Editor 5426387 (talk) 23:50, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Oppose for now. Currently this is just an accusation. No-one has demonstrated that the balloon is Chinese or has any nefarious purpose. Even if they did, it will need to spark a major diplomatic incident to justify posting in ITN. I'm willing to reconsider if this starts having major impacts. Modest Genius ^talk 12:18, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose. Doesn't seem to have any significance at this time. A country detecting the spycraft of another country happens every once in a while, nothing ever comes of it. Even then, I strongly oppose the use of an unrelated image. Might as well use File:Birthday balloons.jpg. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 13:06, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
- Striking my !vote as the story develops. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 19:56, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Wait This story has to develop, its not appropriate for posting, nor closing yet. Vriend1917 (talk) 13:59, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

*Oppose The story is "An balloon of unknown origin is being tracked". The article text says the same thing, but with a lot more words. There's not enough about this story to support a blurb if we don't have anything worthwhile to say. --Jayron 32 14:06, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support the article has developed to where it is good enough to appear on the main page. --Jayron 32 18:37, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Oppose - per above, and, unless sit actually develops into anything major, the news is not ITN-worthy. Editor 5426387 (talk) 14:26, 3 February 2023 (UTC)]"Reply[reply]
Oppose - This is currently a curiosity, rather than a major incident. GenevieveDEon (talk) 14:29, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose and close - NYT announced over the wire that China claims it's a civilian balloon. Since it wasn't shot down and there's no contrary evidence, there's nothing left to analyzed. --⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 14:54, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It was shot down and we should also take whatever the Chinese government says with a grain of salt. Djprasadian (talk) 23:16, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
At the time I had !voted, it had not been shot down. ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 00:01, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Update Checking after a day, I see that it's the top 4 headlines at the NYT starting with "Furor Over Chinese Spy Balloon Leads to a Diplomatic Crisis". And the latest news is that "Diplomatic row between China and US escalates as Pentagon says second 'spy balloon' being tracked". This escalation requires further consideration. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:25, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support Everybody loves balloons. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 08:53, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support. Has resulted in the cancellation of Blinken's trip to China, increasing tensions between the two powers. BilledMammal (talk) 08:56, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support. per Hawkeye7. Alexcalamaro (talk) 09:24, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose Doesn't really seem very significant. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 13:52, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Wait until something actually happens. If the balloon is confirmed to be for surveillance purposes, this is a reminder that countries spying on each other is not uncommon, especially between rivals like China and America. If China turns out to be right here and the balloon is not for spying, then yeah... there's no reason to explain why that would not be posted. The ⬡ Bestagon ^T/_C 14:59, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Wait till Monday Now South America has one, too. That needs more weight. A little more Canadian content wouldn't hurt, either. InedibleHulk (talk) 15:34, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose This is the media and politics making a mountain out of a mole hill. This is why we do not follow what the news considered to be most important and instead look for encyclopedic value. --Masem (t) 15:35, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Exactly.... _-_Alsor (talk) 15:39, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I mean, it's clear that high levels of multiple governments are concerned by this situation. Let's at least have a little humility: none of us here knows how this story is going to develop. Sometimes these weird little moments do escalate and end up in the history books. The prudent decision for ITN is to wait. Zagalejo (talk) 16:09, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The tension between China and the USA also "escalated a lot" with Pelosi's visit to Taiwan and ended in nothing. American noise. And that doesn't make it ITN-worhty. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:19, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It definitely did not end in nothing as you claim. Multiple important lines of communications between America and China were severed after the visit (as far as i know they haven't been restored yet) and it led to an overall deterioration in the relationship which you could argue directly engendered this balloon incident. And this isn't even counting the other consequences of the visit which impacted other nations (Taiwan, Japan) that could have the potential to further escalate tensions between the US and China. I am not sure if the Pelosi incident was posted, but even if it wasn't that doesn't mean this one shouldn't be either. Restflux (talk) 17:38, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've seen nothing that indicates that US/China relations have been irreparable harmed. This is standard tensions as the Pelosi visit. We absolutely cannot speculate on possible impacts that haven't happened, and every day there are strains on interntaional relationships between various countries, this is nothing new. Masem (t) 17:48, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Masem: What is "encyclopedic value"? Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:28, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
We are talking topics that have more than a burst of coverage and will be significant 10+ years down the road, which is not what this story currently is and with no evidence of having serious long term effects. If there are breakdowns in diplomacy between countries due to this, then that might be something but that's impossible to read at this point. Masem (t) 21:39, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I am going to stress, in the aftermath of the balloon being shot down, this is a textbook example of a media circus. The only thing that has resulted from it has been some strain on US/China relations and while there may be something down the road with that, this one event is the media and political circles trying to make this seem more important than it actually is. Masem (t) 14:06, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Comment Would it not be better to wait for confirmation as to their espionage status, perhaps posting then would be better. Gotitbro (talk) 16:41, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support conditionally, depending on the gravity of any potential additional developments or revelations over the weekend and beyond. If: 1) it's officially revealed that the balloon has ballistics capabilities, 2) the balloon is shot down over the ocean, 3) the balloon is guided down for further analysis, 4) it's officially revealed that the balloon somehow has an active crew aboard, and/or 5) these are confirmed by multiple states as surveillance-oriented and they're dotted all over the globe, as examples, then this qualifies as a next-level world diplomatic event, and should go up immediately. Beyond that, the article as it stands has been tended to very well thus far, and wouldn't need a whole lot of additional work to qualify. If nothing changes and this story peters away, then no need to promote it. --
Voyager 1 Low Battery Alert (talk) 17:22, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply
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Support + alt blurb 4 🍁🏳️‍🌈 DinoSoupCanada 🏳️‍🌈 🍁 (talk) 18:09, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose This has led to a fairly minor diplomatic spat and nothing more. Not ITN-worthy. The Kip (talk) 18:53, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support - international story that's had legs --Torsodog^Talk 20:43, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support – Per The New York Times, the balloon was shot down. DecafPotato (talk) 21:20, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support - Ongoing coverage of a developing international incident Tisnec (talk) 22:45, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support The story definitely has some weight behind it now. Kafoxe (talk) 02:26, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Fairly Emphatic Wait. To me this looks like a story that, while encyclopedic, will largely be forgotten in a year and will likely be resolved with little real conflict (i.e. the verbal type). Still, I think we may be behooved to wait a bit longer to see if there is indeed tension that comes of this. As things stand, I would quite emphatically be opposed per Masem, but I believe we may wish to let this breathe a bit more. DarkSide830 (talk) 03:25, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support: Alt-blurb III is the most well-written, obviously a big news event. I'm not sure the relevance of some of the arguments against, this is a big news story according to a wide variety of Western news outlets.Yeoutie (talk) 03:29, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Weak support: Yeah, sure. Major coverage, the impact of the event is unclear but this sort of thing isn't a regular event, apparently the first aircraft to be shot down in US airspace since WWII. Lewis Hulbert (talk) 06:51, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support -- it's not like this happens every day, and it has intentional impact (since, despite the admonition above, people apparently care about that). This will be in the news for some time to come; so it is now a situation that warrants posting. --Rockstone^{Send me a message!} 07:30, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Wait and leaning oppose. These balloons flew before, just this time it has become a "surveillance balloon".Paradise Chronicle (talk) 08:22, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose. Major powers possibly spying on each other? What a shocking revelation! Khuft (talk) 09:34, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It's superpowers, brother, and they're shooting on each other. Well, one side's shooting. But even if it's the one you'd expect to blow something foreign up, it hasn't happened domestically in a long time. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:31, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support now it's been shot down, and disregard immediately these opposing !votes based on, err, "it hasn't been shot down yet". SN54129 14:01, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support in light of how the incident is developing and not dying away. Banedon (talk) 14:34, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support given the scale of coverage (this is inarguably 'in the news' currently) 15:22, 5 February 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Schwinnspeed (talk • contribs)
Support based on continuing news coverage and relative rarity of such an event. -- Kicking222 (talk) 16:01, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Comment It’s absolutely laughable that this is gonna get posted. I think ITNR’s “American bias” is usually a silly concept, but it’s genuinely coming in full force here.

Oh cool, an unmanned spy balloon got spotted then shot down, causing a comparatively small diplomatic spat of a similar level to Pelosi’s trip to Taiwan, which wasn’t posted. Totally ITNR-worthy. The Kip (talk)

Such an American bias that it's currently (still) the top story on BBC News, CBC News, and Le Monde. -- Kicking222 (talk) 01:04, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support given the scale and scope of the coverage in the news. The fact that the incident has a military dimension because it was shot down has implications that I think a lot of the comments+editors here either don't fully understand or aren't appreciating. This is definately much more than just a run-of-the-mill diplomatic spat between the United States and China Restflux (talk) 17:06, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Posting Consensus favors it, going with a modification of alts 4 and 5. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:45, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose per above. As to this being unique, this mentions: "The official said Chinese balloons briefly transited the continental United States at least three times during the prior administration." I guess normally we do not make a big deal about it. If the US somehow sanctions China over this, maybe it will be significant. Maybe.
Richard-of-Earth (talk) 18:48, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply
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Consensus? Where??? _-_Alsor (talk) 18:59, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
. Consensus does not require unanimity. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:15, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The tally is 23-10 (give or take) in favor of posting the story, with most of the "yes" votes coming within the past day or so, so a consensus to post has clearly developed. Just because you have a hatred for all news relating to America (as demonstrated by your past behavior on similar stories) doesn't mean you can unilaterally demand a story should be pulled when the community states otherwise. 2600:8802:2718:6700:9F35:65C0:D934:6DC9 (talk) 19:29, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I believe there are:

25 Support votes

10 Oppose votes

5 Wait votes

3 Comments

Definitely a consensus PrecariousWorlds (talk) 19:32, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Reminder that
this isn’t a vote. Hamza Ali Shah ^Talk 19:41, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply
]
I also thought the quality of supports was stronger than the quality of opposes. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:01, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Post Posting Support Somehow I missed this, but it is a no brainer. One of the biggest news stories of the last few days both here in the US and internationally. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:02, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Post-posting support' Quality article that explains international diplomatic ramifications. Spencer^T•C 05:15, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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February 2

Portal:Current events/2023 February 2

February 2, 2023 (Thursday)

Disasters and accidents

Eight construction workers are killed near Sevastopol, Crimea, in an overnight fire at a barracks. (Reuters)

Health and environment

2020–2023 H5N8 outbreak
- The UK Health Security Agency confirms that avian influenza has crossed over to several wild mammals, including foxes, otters and seals. The agency says that the risk to humans remains very low, however, there will now be more "targeted surveillance" and testing of animals. (BBC News)

International relations

Israel–Sudan relations
- Israel–Sudan normalization agreement
  - Israel and Sudan announce the finalisation of a deal to normalize relations between the two countries. (Reuters)
2023 China balloon incident
- The United States Department of Defense monitors a high-altitude balloon from China flying over Montana. The Chinese Foreign Affairs Ministry says the balloon is used for civilian meteorological research and had drifted off-course due to unexpected weather. (AFP via NDTV) (The Guardian)
Philippines–United States relations
- The
  U.S. Armed Forces access to an additional four military bases, thereby expediting the full implementation of the Enhanced Defense Cooperation Agreement. (AFP via France 24)

Law and crime

War on terror
- The United States releases Majid Khan from the Guantanamo Bay prison and transfers him to Belize. Khan had been captured in 2003 in Pakistan and was being held on accusations of helping al-Qaeda. (Reuters)

Politics and elections

Qatar corruption scandal at the European Parliament
- Two MEPs, Andrea Cozzolino and Marc Tarabella, have their legal immunity revoked by European Union lawmakers amid an investigation into money laundering and bribery. (BBC News)

RD: Paul A. David

Article: Paul A. David (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): WSJ
Credits:

Nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see

WP:RS on this date. I will work this article over the weekend if no one gets to it before me. Ktin (talk) 04:39, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply

]

The article needs a lot of work. Looking forward to checking it out again after your work, Ktin. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:54, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Glória Maria

Article: Glória Maria (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): G1 globo
Credits:

Nominated by Curbon7 (talk · give credit)
Updated by DanGFSouza (talk · give credit) and Rkieferbaum (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see

WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Brazilian television personality. Quite close, only some source work is needed. Curbon7 (talk) 23:42, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply

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Not Ready - Needs more inline citations. The ⬡ Bestagon ^T/_C 06:23, 7 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: John Zizioulas

Article: John Zizioulas (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Othodoxia News Agency
Credits:

Nominated by Curbon7 (talk · give credit)
Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit) and Theologian1234 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see

WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Prominent Greek orthodox theologian and bishop. Source work is needed. Curbon7 (talk) 23:42, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply

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RD: Jean-Pierre Jabouille

Article: Jean-Pierre Jabouille (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Nominated by Zwerg Nase (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see

WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Formula One racing driver. His engineering expertise helped bring the turbo engine into Formula One with Renault. Two Grand Prix victories. Article needs work though... Zwerg Nase (talk) 16:23, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply

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Not yet ready The article is practically entirely unreferenced, although at least his stats are referenced. Curbon7 (talk) 10:02, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: K. Viswanath

Article: K. Viswanath (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu, Indian Express,
Credits:

Nominated by Strike Eagle (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see

WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Prominent Indian director and recipient of highest Indian cinematic honours. Article looks to be in decent shape. ƬheStrike Σagle 22:17, 2 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply

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Support. Looks thoroughly cited. Comprehensive details on his career. One messy line at the end of the "Television" section, hopefully someone will fix that soonish. Tbh, he probably needs a separate filmography page but that's not relevant to RD. e.b. (talk) 20:05, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support Looks important enough for me. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:06, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Importance does not matter at all for RD. Curbon7 (talk) 01:47, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support. Article looks good. Thanks, Anir1uph | talk | contrib 03:17, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support Article seems to be in good shape. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 04:04, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Admin Action Needed: Article is properly sourced and ready to be posted. Thanks, ƬheStrike Σagle 06:18, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Not yet ready Sourcing on the prose is fine, but the filmography is only about half-sourced. Curbon7 (talk) 07:10, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Lanny Poffo

Article: Lanny Poffo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Wrestling Observer - Figure Four Online, WWE
Credits:

Nominated by The Kip (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see

WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Wrestler and brother of the Macho Man. Article needs ref work. The Kip (talk) 21:31, 2 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply

]

Not yet ready As stated by the nom, significant chunks are unsourced. The prose is quite bizarre at spots, but is overall ok, although there seem to be way too many two-sentence sections which may benefit from being condensed. Curbon7 (talk) 09:56, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) RD: Richard Woolcott

Article: Richard Woolcott (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Canberra Times
Credits:

Updated and nominated by Hawkeye7 (talk · give credit)
Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see

WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article not too good, but at least it is (now) fully referenced Hawkeye7 (discuss) 08:11, 2 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply

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Support Good condition, ready to be posted. Vriend1917 (talk) 21:04, 2 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support A bit rough, but sufficient for our purposes. Article is well-cited and holistic. Curbon7 (talk) 10:16, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support, Article is fine. Alex-h (talk) 17:37, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support, well-sourced, good to go. Tails Wx 18:46, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Posted – Muboshgu (talk) 19:23, 3 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

February 1

Portal:Current events/2023 February 1

February 1, 2023 (Wednesday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Russo-Ukrainian War
- 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine
  - Attacks on civilians in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine
    - A Russian Iskander-K ballistic missile destroys an apartment complex in Kramatorsk, Donetsk Oblast, killing at least three people and injuring 20 others, according to local officials. (Reuters)
Kivu conflict
- M23 offensive
  - insurgents capture the town of Kitshanga in North Kivu, Democratic Republic of the Congo, after days of heavy fighting. The DRC army confirms the withdrawal of its troops from the town, saying that it was a "tactical move to protect civilians". (Al Jazeera)

Syrian civil war
- Northwestern Syria clashes
  - Eight soldiers are killed near Kafr Rumah in Idlib Governorate by Tahrir al-Sham militants. (AFP via Barron's)
2018–2023 Haitian crisis
- Jamaican Prime Minister Andrew Holness says that his government is willing to send troops to Haiti as part of a "multinational security assistance deployment". (Reuters)

Business and economy

Lebanese liquidity crisis
- The central bank of Lebanon devalues the Lebanese pound by 90% amid an ongoing financial crisis. (Reuters)
2021–present United Kingdom cost of living crisis
- More than 500,000 workers across multiple public sectors go on strike in the United Kingdom, forcing thousands of schools to close and many services to be delayed or cancelled, amid disputes over pay and working conditions. It is the largest industrial action in the UK since 2010. (CNBC)
2021–2023 inflation surge
- U.S. payment service provider PayPal announces that it will cut around 2,000 jobs, about 7% of its workforce, citing the "challenging macro-economic environment". (BBC News)

Disasters and accidents

January 31 – February 2, 2023 ice storm
- Eight people are killed by a winter storm in Texas, United States. (NBC News)
Two people are injured after a magnitude 6 earthquake hits Monkayo, Davao de Oro, Philippines. (GMA News Online)
One person is injured after a magnitude 4.4 earthquake hits Banjar, West Java, Indonesia. (Kompas.com)
Three people are killed and 32 others are injured after a fire in a hospital in Cairo, Egypt. (AP)

Health and environment

Western Australian radioactive capsule incident
- A search team from the Australian Nuclear Science and Technology Organisation and WA Fire and Emergency Services announces that they have found the missing caesium-137 capsule around 74 km (46 mi) south of Newman. (ABC News Australia)
The East Epi submarine volcano in Vanuatu erupts for the first time since 2004, sending ash 90 meters into the air, with a 10 kilometer radius danger zone. (The Washington Post) (RNZ)

Law and crime

Four people are killed and five others are injured after a mass shooting in KwaMashu, Durban, South Africa. (Reuters)

Politics and elections

2021–2023 Myanmar civil war
- 2023 Myanmar general election
  - Two years after Myanmar's military overthrew the country's democratically-elected government, the State Administration Council extends the country's state of emergency for another six months, thereby postponing the general election initially scheduled for August 1. (AFP via France 24)

Science and technology

perihelion on January 12. (ABC News)

RD: Carin Goldberg

Article: Carin Goldberg (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see

WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American graphic designer. Death announced 1 February. Thriley (talk) 06:11, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply

]

Comment Prose looks sufficient enough. There is one CN tag in the prose, and the Notable covers is completely uncited, but those appear to be the only issues. Curbon7 (talk) 09:45, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Closed) Tom Brady retires (again)

Consensus to post will not develop. Noah^Talk 17:12, 1 February 2023 (UTC) (non-admin closure)Reply[reply]

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Article: Tom Brady (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Tom Brady (pictured), retires from American football. (Post)
News source(s): Tom Brady's Instagram
Credits:

Nominated by WimePocy (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: 2nd time now. Can he beat Favre? Cheers. Wime Pocy 14:00, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support. I'm sure this will be the last time. He said so, for real this time.--🌈WaltCip-(talk) 14:02, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
By the way, feel free to add more sources as they come in. Cheers. Wime Pocy 14:06, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose Fool me once... We ~~don't~~shouldn't post athlete retirements for this exact reason. Curbon7 (talk) 14:13, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose thus demonstrating the follies of posting sports retirements. --Masem (t) 14:20, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose for the same reason Brady’s retirement was opposed last time. Retirements often aren’t. Status Quo did their farewell tour in 1984. Humbledaisy (talk) 14:48, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose (again) :D --Tone 14:49, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose, though I suppose it might start to get notable if he does it about ten times. Black Kite (talk) 14:51, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support As it is obviously for real this time. We do in fact post sports retirements as we have previously posted Alex Ferguson and Sachin Tendulkar. -- Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:00, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
As I've said before, as soon as Lionel Messi announces his retirement,
WP:ITN will bend over backwards to make sure he's given the picture blurb treatment within hours of the announcement, because "association football is a different beast". ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 15:08, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply
]
I agree with WaltCip here. Not that I support (or oppose; I know nothing about American football) this nomination, but oppose !votes that oppose "because we don't post retirements" will most probably support Messi's or Ronaldo's "because they're legendary GOATs of the game." The ⬡ Bestagon ^T/_C 15:20, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm consistent. When it comes that time, I will still oppose. Curbon7 (talk) 15:32, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ditto. The only retirement I can remember supporting was
Benedict XVI's which was a little different. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:01, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply
]

You know, just because you screw something up once, doesn't mean you're required to screw it up forever. "We did this before so we must do it every time" is a bad rationale for that reason. --Jayron 32 15:12, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I don't believe we did "screw up" but you are of course entitled to that opinion. I wanted to correct the assertions above that "we don't do it" in case anyone was misled.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:22, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose Not the sort of stories we should post in the ITN section. Amounts to inconsequential celebrity gossip. --Jayron 32 15:04, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Oppose - he already retired once ... he could come out of retirement again. Editor 5426387 (talk) 15:28, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Oppose Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. We don't post retirements for a lot of reasons. Case in point. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:38, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose just no, just no, we all know he'll probably come back. he ain't fooling me again. TomMasterReal^TALK 16:02, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose even as someone who adamantly believes that sports retirements are ITN worthy. I think we made a mistake not posting this last time, un-retirement or not, but per the above "fool me once..." comments, I'm not inclined to believe this one lasts and therefore am not going to die on the hill of a "support" here. DarkSide830 (talk) 16:13, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oppose How can we make sure that this time is for real NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 16:24, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Oppose. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. Sports retirements are ITN-worthy IMO, but a) Brady has "retired" before, and b) the source given doesn't really prove significance. DecafPotato (talk) 17:00, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Oppose - Per all above PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:00, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

(Posted) Comet C/2022 E3 (ZTF)

Article: C/2022 E3 (ZTF) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: A green comet (pictured) makes its closest approach to the Earth. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Comet C/2022 E3 (ZTF) (pictured) makes its closest approach to Earth
Alternative blurb II: Green comet C/2022 E3 (ZTF) (pictured) makes its closest approach to the Earth.
News source(s): Guardian; Independent; NYT;BBC;Al Jazeera
Credits:

Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
Created by C messier (talk · give credit)
Updated by Drbogdan (talk · give credit) and Kheider (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: It was previously suggested that this should appear at the time of closest approach and that's now. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:39, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Strong support, post immediately - As consensus has been reached in the previous discussion that we should post now. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:30, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Strong support and support posting immediately due to how time-sensitive this is. Good article, strong coverage today in reliable sources. DFlhb (talk) 10:36, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Weak oppose. I don't see what has changed since the last nomination a week ago, which ended as no consensus. This comet is not ITNR, it isn't visible to anyone who doesn't have a pair of binoculars (unless they live in an area with no light pollution at all) and knows exactly where to look, and being green isn't unusual. The article is OK but nothing more than that. There has been a bit of media coverage but largely restricted to the science sections. Modest Genius ^talk 11:32, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The previous nomination was not closed; it just scrolled off after there were lots of !votes of "Wait". So, we've waited. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:40, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Astronomical items are not required to be ITN/R in order to be newsworthy or ITN-worthy, otherwise nothing would ever get posted except for great comets. It would make for a rather limited pool of science stories. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 12:18, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@WaltCip: I agree that items don't have to be on ITNR to be posted. I was disagreeing with the 'intr=yes' parameter that was set in the nomination template. Modest Genius ^talk 17:37, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The previous one had a number of people preferring this to be posted on Feb 1, which is today. As one of those people, I strongly support posting immediately. The ⬡ Bestagon ^T/_C 12:20, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Magnitude 5 is pretty bright. It should be visible in the outskirts of major cities, under moonless skies. Perhaps we should include some instructions for viewing in the blurb? PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:35, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Strong support posting immediately because it is the closest approach now. - azpineapple (need help? 12:01, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Neutral – I suggested a wait last time, but that was also because the quality of the article didn't seem up to par yet, and this hasn't changed since. The lack of bare-eye visibility (0.3 AU is quite far away) makes this a somewhat hard sell. It's probably fine to post but none of this makes me particularly excited. I still approve of the main blurb as the optimal choice. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 12:38, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Comets are not near-Earth asteroids, 0.28 AU isn't far if the comet releases enough gas and dust. A comet reached magnitude 3-4 in the 18th century and never even reached 3 AU from Earth or 4 AU from Sun. Halley's Comet would be 4.9 magnitudes brighter than this if both were 1 AU from Sun and observer was thought experimentally on the Sun (the standard apples-to-apples brightness comparison of solar system science because full asteroid is much brighter than thin crescent asteroid and comets obviously get dim very fast as they get further from the Sun (if they get very very close they sometimes even explode and "release all the brightness at once")). And Halley happens every c. 76 years. Hale-Bopp would be even brighter. The 1700s comet would be 13.4 magnitudes brighter. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 19:21, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It is easily visible under moonless skies, with little light pollution. It's at magnitude 5 right now, which, while not incredibly bright, is still just about visible from my location in the outer suburbs of a city of 14 million people.

Also, I'm pushing for us to diversify the stories we post from just being changes in heads of state or X tragedy kills Y people PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:33, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support, though I think the blurb should both say the official comet name and that it is a green comet. I don't think it requires that everyone on earth be able to see it with the naked eye (eg, clearly urban centers have too much background light to do so) but as long as it is some appreciable fraction that have the potential to see it, its a good idea to post. Article appears to be in good shape. --Masem (t) 13:42, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Proposed alt2. The ⬡ Bestagon ^T/_C 14:38, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support alt2 (or the base blurb). Oppose alt1. DFlhb (talk) 14:42, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support It was a bit silly that it didn't get posted last week, but c'est la vie. Just because an event is not ITN/R doesn't prevent us from posting if it is particularly newsworthy, as this one is. Curbon7 (talk) 14:16, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Pending quality checks of course. Curbon7 (talk) 14:16, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support posting immediately, noting that of course if it doesn't get posted today, then there will be no point to posting this as the event will have already come and gone.--⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 14:36, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Oppose - what is the significance of this comet? It has little cultural presence like Halley, etc. QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 14:43, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

As @PrecariousWorlds pointed out, we do have to diversify our blurbs a little bit. We haven't had a science-related story at ITN for quite some time now, and this one is receiving pretty good coverage, and the coverage is worldwide for those who love global significance, with sources in the West (CNN BBC) and the Arab World (Alarabiya) reporting on it. The Independent are also covering it live on their website. The ⬡ Bestagon ^T/_C 15:10, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Alright, I guess that's cool. But I do think the blurb needs to do more to establish that this is notable and not just a "diversity candidate" (to appropriate phrasing from the (un)professional world). QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 15:50, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It's not just about being a diversity candidate, it's about providing interesting stories that viewers of Wikipedia want to read, apart from Depressing Tragedy no. 352. I think astronomical events like these should be ITN:R, as they are In The News. I think we should also post major infrastructure projects as well. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:52, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks Bestagon PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:53, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

• Support, Posting immediately - per above Editor 5426387 (talk) 15:31, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support: Reasonably significant as far as astronomical news goes and the article is well-cited. Probably should have been posted a few days ago. And while this shouldn't be a factor when considering any individual story, it would be nice to have more science topics at ITN. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 15:33, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Posted -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:45, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Ad Orientem: I think alt2 is better here; it mentions both the official name and the fact that it's green. The ⬡ Bestagon ^T/_C 15:48, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The link is to the article with the full title. I doubt that the majority of our readers will be that worked up over the actual name. It's the green comet thing that is going to get their attention. That said, if there is a consensus to change the blurb, or another admin thinks that alt II is better, go for it. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:54, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm pleased to see that a consensus was reached and that this has been posted. It provides desperately-needed balance to the current gamut of ITN stories which amount to four disasters and an election. I hope that this reflects a sea change towards lessening our overall significance restrictions.--⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 16:43, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Post-posting Oppose, numerous astronomical bodies, including comets, pass by the Earth every single day. The visibility of this single one is not specifically notable. I would understand if this was say, a Comet Hale–Bopp type event, where the comet is like that of a great comet. At the moment, I don't see the value in pushing this nomination to diversify the coverage of news stories regarding disasters either. Other folks have brought up the magnitude and distance from the Earth that I concur with.Ornithoptera (talk) 17:33, 1 February 2023 (UTC))Reply[reply]
This is the only comet visible to the naked eye right now, probably for months to come. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:54, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Not to make it a number-game, but only two editors have made the argument of diversifying. That is not why 7 others !voted in support. Curbon7 (talk) 18:30, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Just to be clear, I never intended diversifying to be my main argument. The main argument was that reliable sources were in fact treating it as a big deal. Diversifying was intended to be a "pushing factor" for those on the fence to lean support. The ⬡ Bestagon ^T/_C 04:44, 2 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

0.28 AU isn't far if the comet is bright. A comet reached magnitude 3-4 in the 18th century and never even reached 3 AU from Earth or 4 AU from Sun. Halley's Comet would be 4.9 magnitudes brighter than this if both were 1 AU from Sun and observer was thought experimentally on the Sun (the standard apples-to-apples brightness comparison of solar system science because full asteroid is much brighter than thin crescent asteroid and comets obviously get dim very fast as they get further from the Sun (if they get very very close they sometimes even explode and "release all the brightness at once")). And Halley happens every c. 76 years. Hale-Bopp would be even brighter. The 1700s comet would be 13.4 magnitudes brighter. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 19:21, 1 February 2023 (UTC

Noting here that there are several comments at WP:ERRORS regarding the "green comet" wording. ansh.666 18:41, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Switched to Alt II per multiple requests. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:53, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I voiced support for alt2, but prefer User:Ravenpuff's newer version: "C/2022 E3 (ZTF) (pictured), a comet with a green coma, makes its closest approach to the Earth".

It's nice, and the linked term "coma" will certainly stimulate curiosity in our readers, which is what ITN does at its best. I'd be grateful if editors who already posted here would voice support or opposition to Ravenpuff's version. DFlhb (talk) 19:10, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Concur. Curbon7 (talk) 19:16, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I support this version, for the record. It sounds much more scientific and interesting. Though it is not entirely clear to me why this event has found its way to the Main Page. There are approximately 10 long-period comets crossing the Earth's orbit every year. --TadejM ^{my talk} 19:21, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

They're usually dimmer. It's also been an unusually long time since the last great comet besides 2006 or 7 (I forgot) which was only naked eye at dusk to most North Hemisphere native English speakers for a few days and not at all after dusk (at least in my extreme light pollution). And I guess some might've also called the magnitude ~2.5 2007 or 2008 comet great, it was naked eye in extreme light pollution but not very impressive there especially if you're not into "faint fuzzy "star" with no naked eye tail". Hale-Bopp of 1997 was the last truly impressive non-twilight one. With that said 22 E3 or better comets seem to happen every few years at worst. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 20:41, 2 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I Beg you to remove "green comet" from the top. It's a nonsensical moniker applied to it by media that knows nothing about astronomy- as commonly used as it is, it is meaningless at best and misleading at worst. Every comet that has ever graced the sky has been green- saying it's a green comet is like referring to space as "the black space" or the sky as "the blue sky". Sincerely, an actual astronomer. exoplanetaryscience (talk) 22:39, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Is the gas ever greenish cyan/cyanish green? Would that still count as green? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 22:49, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This ^. We should change the blurb immediately. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 23:01, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Here is what the comet astronomer Matthew Knight says about the comet's color: "The color of C/2022 E3 (ZTF) isn’t unique: Most comets that have higher gas contents tend to yield C2, so they “are generally going to look green to our eye,” Knight says. That said, only a subset of comets happen to make it as close to Earth as C/2022 E3 (ZTF) will get, so it’ll provide an uncommonly good view of a comet’s emerald hue."[3] --TadejM ^{my talk} 00:13, 2 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Meteorologists refer to blue skies all the time. They are much prettier than white or grey skies. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 10:07, 2 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Post-posting Oppose per Ornithoptera. Completely insignificant. — Amakuru (talk) 09:58, 2 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well, shoot, we better pull it and put the more significant Azerbaijani embassy shooting back up. ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 17:01, 2 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Your assertion is not backed up by the evidence at hand; reliable sources do discuss the comet in a manner that plainly indicates it is significant. Your assertion doesn't make the sources go away. --Jayron 32 17:04, 2 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Post-posting supportI believe to guide public awareness to an astronomical event is in the interest of wikipedia. This they will remember much longer than most of the resisters we post.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 10:09, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

January 31

Portal:Current events/2023 January 31

January 31, 2023 (Tuesday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Russo-Ukrainian War
- 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine
  - Foreign involvement in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine
    - French Armed Forces Minister Sébastien Lecornu announces that France will send 12 additional CAESAR self-propelled howitzers to Ukraine, and could also train Ukrainian Air Force pilots to operate French fighter jets as part of their latest military support package. (Reuters)

Disasters and accidents

Tanda Dam boat disaster
- The death toll from a boat
  capsize at the Tanda Dam in Kohat District, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan, on 29 January increases to 51. (AFP via The Peninsula)

Health and environment

COVID-19 pandemic
- COVID-19 pandemic in the United States
  - COVID-19 pandemic in Illinois
    - Illinois Governor J. B. Pritzker announces that the state will end its COVID-19 emergency proclamation after three years beginning on May 11. (The State Journal-Register)
The Namibian environment ministry announces that 61 black rhinoceros and 26 white rhinoceros were killed in the country in 2022 as a result of poaching, including 46 in Etosha National Park. (Al Jazeera)

International relations

Pastoral visits of Pope Francis
- papal visit to the Democratic Republic of the Congo. He will also visit South Sudan on the same trip. (AFP via RTHK)

Law and crime

2022–23 Salvadoran gang crackdown
- The Salvadoran government opens the Terrorism Confinement Center, a prison with a capacity of 40,000, amidst a gang crackdown which has arrested over 62,000 people since March 2022. (Reuters)
Killing of Tiba al-Ali
- A
  honour killing. (Al Jazeera)

Politics and elections

Protests against Emmanuel Macron
- 2023 French pension reform strikes
  - A second day of strikes and demonstrations occurs throughout France against the government's pension reform project, which proposes to increase the retirement age to 64. (BFMTV)

Sports

2022–23 Premier League
- central midfielder Enzo Fernández from Primeira Liga club Benfica in a £106.8m deal to break the British football transfer fee record. (The Guardian)

(Posted) RD: Lalitha Chandran

Article: Bombay Sisters (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu
Credits:

Updated and nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see

WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian carnatic singer. One half of the musical duo Bombay Sisters Ktin (talk) 04:16, 4 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply

]

Comment. Edits done. Please have a look. Thanks. Ktin (talk) 18:12, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Posted Step hen 23:56, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Angel Alcala

Article: Angel Alcala (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Manila Bulletin
Credits:

Nominated by Curbon7 (talk · give credit)
Updated by Artegia (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see

WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Filipino biologist and national scientist. Curbon7 (talk) 17:49, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply

]

Support well-cited. Tails Wx 05:00, 2 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Comment: Multiple unsourced statements in the article. Spencer^T•C 00:00, 7 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) RD: David Durenberger

Article: David Durenberger (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [4]
Credits:

Updated and nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
Updated by Connormah (talk · give credit) and Strattonsmith (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see

WP:ITNRD.

– Muboshgu (talk) 18:47, 31 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply

]

Support Well-cited and holistic enough for our purposes. Curbon7 (talk) 01:36, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support, Article is fine. Alex-h (talk) 16:48, 2 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Posted—Bagumba (talk) 17:01, 5 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Shanti Bhushan ‎

Article: Shanti Bhushan ‎ (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Bar and Bench,India Today
Credits:

Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see

WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian Ex Minister and lawyer Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 14:43, 31 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply

]

Not yet ready A few CN templates. Date/place of birth is uncited, and entire early/non-political life are missing. The prose in political career is bare, but ok enough for our purposes. Prose in the activism section is fine, except for the 2010 contempt charge which needs updating. Curbon7 (talk) 15:11, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Any update? The article is fairly close to being post-able so it'd be a shame if it rolled off. Curbon7 (talk) 05:54, 6 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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