Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates

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This page provides a forum for editors to suggest items for inclusion on In the news (ITN), a protected template on the Main Page, as well as the forum for discussion of candidates. This is not the page to report errors in the ITN section on the Main Page—please go to the appropriate section at WP:ERRORS. Archives of past nominations can be found here.

This candidates page is integrated with the daily pages of Portal:Current events. Under each daily section header below is the transcluded Portal:Current events items for that day (with a light green header). Each day's portal page is followed by a subsection for suggestions and discussion.

A blurb is a one sentence summary of the news story. An alternate suggestion for the blurb is called an altblurb, and any more suggestions get labelled alt1, alt2, etc. A blurb needs at least one target article, highlighted in bold; reviewers check the quality of that article and whether it is updated, and whether reliable sources demonstrate the significance of the event. Other articles can also be linked. The Ongoing line is for regularly updated articles which cover events that remain in the news over a longer period of time. RD stands for the "recent deaths" line, and can include any living thing whose death was recently announced. In some cases, recent deaths may need additional explanation as provided by a blurb; this is decided by consensus.

Eliud Kipchoge
Eliud Kipchoge

How to nominate an item

In order to suggest a candidate:

  • Update an article to be linked to from the blurb to include the recent developments, or find an article that has already been updated.
  • Find the correct section below for the date of the event (not the date nominated).
    • Do not add sections for new dates. These are automatically generated (at midnight UTC) by a bot; creating them manually breaks this process.
  • Nominate the blurb for ITN inclusion under the "Suggestions" subheading for the date, emboldening the link in the blurb to the updated article. Use a level 4 header (====) when doing so.
    • Preferably use the template {{ITN candidate}} to nominate the article related to the event in the news. Make sure that you include a reference from a verifiable, reliable secondary source. Press releases are not acceptable. The suggested blurb should be written in simple present tense.
    • Adding an explanation why the event should be posted greatly increases the odds of posting.
  • Please consider alerting editors to the nomination by adding the template {{ITN note}} to the corresponding article's talk page.

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There are criteria which guide the decision on whether or not to put a particular item on In the news, based largely on the extensiveness of the updated content and the perceived significance of the recent developments. These are listed at WP:ITN.

Submissions that do not follow the guidelines at Wikipedia:In the news will not be placed onto the live template.

Headers

  • Items that have been posted or pulled from the main page are generally marked with (Posted) or (Pulled) in the item's subject so it is clear they are no longer active.
  • Items can also be marked as (Ready) when the article is both updated and there seems to be a consensus to post. The posting admin, however, should always judge the update and the consensus to post themselves. If you find an entry that you don't feel is ready to post is marked (Ready), you should remove the mark in the header.

Voicing an opinion on an item

  • Format your comment to contain "support" or "oppose", and include a rationale for your choice. In particular, address the notability of the event, the quality of the article, and whether it has been updated.

Please do not...

  1. add simple "support!" or "oppose!" votes without including your reasons. Similarly, curt replies such as "who?", "meh", or "duh!" are usually not helpful. Instead, explain the reasons why you think the item meets or does not meet the ITN inclusion criteria so a consensus can be reached.
  2. oppose an item solely because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is generally unproductive.
  3. accuse other editors of supporting, opposing or nominating due to a personal bias (such as ethnocentrism). Conflicts of interest are not handled at ITN.
  4. comment on a story without first reading the relevant article(s).
  5. oppose a recurring item here because you disagree with the recurring items criteria. The criteria can be discussed at the relevant talk page.

Please be encouraged to...

  1. pick an older item to review near the bottom of this page, before the eligibility runs out and the item scrolls off the page and gets abandoned in the archive, unused and forgotten.
  2. review an item even if it has already been reviewed by another user. Maybe the previous reviewer has missed a problem, or an identified problem has now been fixed. Piling on the list of "support!" votes may also help administrators identify items that are ready for promotion to the ITN template on MainPage.
  3. point out problematic areas in the nominated article and, if appropriate, suggest how to fix them. If you know exactly what to do, by all means, go ahead and fix it as you see fit.
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September 29

Armed conflicts and attacks

Law and crime

  • Aung San Suu Kyi, ousted leader of Myanmar, is sentenced to further three years' imprisonment for "violating the state's secrets act". Suu Kyi is already serving 20 years on other charges. (AP)

Politics and elections


2022 annexation referendums in Russian-occupied Ukraine

Article: 2022 annexation referendums in Russian-occupied Ukraine (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​Putin declares four occupied Ukrainian territories as part of Russia. (Post)
News source(s): CNN Reuters

Nominator's comments: This WILL happen and it's the most aggressive geopolitical/territorial change in the Western World since the end of the Cold War. Needs a better blurb. I posted this a bit early because the articles need a bit of cleanup and updates.

  • Good faith submission, and the "results" of the referendums seem to be clear now. The article looks solid, and in that respect I have nothing against this being posted. Excellent work on it. But the legality and genuinity of the referendums is obviously the big talking point. I think I'll give this a support. Coverage in the Russian invasion of Ukraine article on this subject is currently limited, so the readership will be very well-served by this article, and it's obviously major news with all news agencies. The blurb needs work. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 12:40, 29 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Wait – Russian annexation is set for Friday, and we should wait for it to occur. See AP BBC Guardian Reuters DWSca (talk) 12:50, 29 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Wait until the formal annexation on Friday.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 12:59, 29 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

September 28

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

Law and crime

Politics and elections


RD: Coolio

Article: Coolio (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBC News, Variety
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 01:06, 29 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support - Well established and well known QuarioQuario54321 (talk) 01:40, 29 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose on quality Usual sourcing problems with filmographies. --Masem (t) 01:55, 29 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Ditto, suggest Photo RD when ready. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:00, 29 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I don't oppose the idea of a photo RD but do you have any suggestion about which photo to use because the current one used in the article does not scale well to the smaller image size used in the ITN template. Regards SoWhy 05:59, 29 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Per WP:ITNPICT, the posted picture generally comes from a blurb. —Bagumba (talk) 07:11, 29 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support once issues at filmographies are solved. --NoonIcarus (talk) 10:16, 29 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Bill Plante

Article: Bill Plante (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American journalist. Worked for CBS News from 1964 - 2016. Thriley (talk) 22:24, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Support – article is well-referenced and meets minimum depth of coverage for ITN. However, article is not stable at the moment due to a vandal who continues to blank sections of sourced content, despite repeated warnings not to do so.Bloom6132 (talk) 06:56, 29 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hurricane Ian

Article: Hurricane Ian (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Hurricane Ian makes landfall in Florida, United States, after knocking out power to the entirety of Cuba. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Hurricane Ian makes landfall in Cuba, knocking out power to the entirety of the island.
News source(s): [1][2][3]
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Category 4 hurricane hitting Florida today. Mandatory evacuations have already been called for. Cuba has lost all power as a result. Blurb can be updated with damage estimates. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:38, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Wait — Landfall has not occurred yet, but is expected to in the next 2-4 hours. After that, support. Elijahandskip (talk) 14:49, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Note: I added an alt blurb because currently, the impacts to Cuba are much more significant that Florida at the present time with the entirety of Cuba losing power. Elijahandskip (talk) 15:14, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm just making that the blurb for now because it's better than what I wrote. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:39, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Wait per Elijahandskip. Landfall not expected just yet. Sarrail (talk) 14:53, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Wait ... as is de rigueur for developing weather events. Ian packs 155 mph winds, per AP report. Much Fla. fooding expected. – Sca (talk) 14:58, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Question - why are we waiting for it to impact the US? It's no longer a "developing" weather event—it knocked out power to all of Cuba. Why not post that now, then update the blurb when it hits the US? Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 16:18, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
OK, call it underway, if that makes you feel better. Semantics. But reports indicate the storm's biggest impact on people is likely to be in Florida. That Fla. happens to be in the U.S. is circumstantial, and not a factor in terms of news value. -- Sca (talk) 17:01, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
We don't post weather forecasts. We post what HAS happened. And surely what happens in Cuba matters? HiLo48 (talk) 22:49, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Sca: Are people in Cuba not people? :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 18:14, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Idiotic comment. -- Sca (talk) 00:56, 29 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I am also wondering why we aren't doing that. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:34, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Because the blurb would be misinformation saying “makes landfall in Florida”. That is why we are waiting Muboshgu and The ed17. Elijahandskip (talk) 17:00, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Elijahandskip: Re-read what I wrote. I was calling for a different, Cuba-focused blurb to be posted. :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 18:14, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Damage to Cuba is significant too, and we can say "approaches Florida" if it's posted before it makes landfall and update the hook as it does. Landfall in Florida appears to be imminent at the moment. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:07, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hurricanes in the mid Atlantic during the summer-fall months making landfall and doing some damage or forcing evacuations is a routine news item. Its why Fiona wasn't posted. We're looking for the magnitude of damage which likely would be based on how bad Florida is hit. Masem (t) 17:18, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Fiona could still use revisiting, even if it's trending stale. 27 deaths at last check. This is why these hurricane noms getting posted too early is a problem - they get buried before the storm's full impacts are known. DarkSide830 (talk) 17:57, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Why not bump them to the top if the death toll is at least 10-20 higher than the last time it was bumped off the top? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 18:21, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • What are the impacts to Cuba? That's more important than waiting around for whatever happens to Florida. When it makes landfall, we can update whatever blurb we posted for Cuba. --🌈WaltCip-(talk) 17:08, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • @WaltCip:, Muboshgu, The ed17, Sca, Sarrail: I just added an alt blurb for the Cuba landfall and impacts to Cuba. You guys want to post it just with the Cuba impacts until the US impacts are more clear, so let’s post that. Consider this a Support for the new alt blurb. Elijahandskip (talk) 17:12, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support alt blurb. Whatever comes of the landfall in Florida, this is going to be a very significant storm.--🌈WaltCip-(talk) 17:14, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    "Take heed of the stormy weather" – ?? — Sca (talk) 17:31, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Wait. We have to stop with these noms before we have any real damage reports or fatality numbers. DarkSide830 (talk) 17:45, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Agree. -- Sca (talk) 17:52, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Agree. I'm all for having an uninvolved editor close this discussion so we can have a fresh one when we can actually make an informed decision about the notability. This one is already visually cluttered with predictable reactions to the premature nom.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 17:55, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
”actually make an informed decision about the notability”…Guess 2 fatalities and an entire nation without power doesn’t make something notable enough for ITN. Elijahandskip (talk) 17:58, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@DarkSide830: Would like to point out, we have confirmed two fatalities and 11 million without power in Cuba alone. That alone should be enough to post a blurb, that then can be changed in the future (probably tomorrow) with the information about Florida. Elijahandskip (talk) 17:56, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That wasn't enough with Fiona. 2 is not minimum deaths material and we don't have any tangible number on damages yet. DarkSide830 (talk) 17:58, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
A hurricane knocking out power to all of Puerto Rico isn’t uncommon (happened with Hurricane Maria in 2017 for example). But as far as I am aware, it is extremely rare for all of Cuba to be without power. Also, Puerto Rico was 1.2 million without power while Cuba is 11 million. Equivalent to all of a single US state (like Florida) losing power from a hurricane. Elijahandskip (talk) 18:00, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If I remember correctly, it was a struggle to get a consensus to post the 2019 South American blackout which left nearly 50 million without power, though we eventually posted it. We don't know enough about the damage to Cuba yet. I don't believe in "WP:MINIMUMDEATHS", but there is a line somewhere, and there's not a chance of a consensus forming when only two casualties are confirmed.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 18:04, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Loss of power is an inconvenience (yes, critical infrastructure like hospitals need it, but that exists everywhere) from such a major storm, so its not worth posting on that alone. Masem (t) 18:08, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Masem: It's not just a loss of power from this storm, it's a loss of power for an entire country. That's unusual and worth posting. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 18:14, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well I do fully disagree with Masem and Vanilla Wizard about wanting to wait to post Hurricane Ian until it becomes more notable. For all intents and purposes, I feel like you guys just don’t want to post it because Fiona wasn’t posted. That’s your opinion and I am saying my opinion that I fully disagree with that assessment. Slightly funny. I originally !vote “Wait” for US landfall, get told it is notable enough to post based on Cuba alone, switch !vote to support on an alt blurb about Cuba alone, then get told to wait again for notability (aka US stuff). ITN nominations are always fun… Elijahandskip (talk) 18:28, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
you guys just don’t want to post it because Fiona wasn’t posted. That’s your opinion No, that's certainly not my opinion, and I ask you to strike that. I haven't even !voted, I just read the winds and came to the conclusion that nominating this when there are only two confirmed casualties was not the best idea.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 18:41, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
ITN is not the place to post unusual events like a country losing power. This is why we want something most definitive in terms of impact, like loss of life or scale of destruction. Masem (t) 21:30, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
By that interpretation, even if Hurricane Ian became a category 5 at landfall, it would not be ITN worthy until either the death toll is higher OR NWS does initial damage estimates (after it dissipates). Sounds like ITN needs to have a long RfC to determine what "In The News" means. International coverage and hundreds to thousands of articles covering the hurricane, with a large portion commenting on the complete power loss to Cuba is clearly "In The News", however, from the def you just described, practically no storm could ever make ITN, unless a dozen+ people are killed. I do foresee myself starting an RfC in a few days on this topic. Elijahandskip (talk) 21:56, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
ITN is about good quality encyclopedia articles that happen to be in the news. We are not a news ticker, regurgitating what are headlines, And since most weather events like hurricanes can really only be judged on quality based on the scale of their impact, that limits every such storm being on the front page. Masem (t) 22:07, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

That may be the principle, however, I personally know many ITN’s that were posted with less than what this article has. Yesterday alone, it got 22,000 views. I am betting nearly 100k or more today. If that truly is the ITN principle, then this RfC in the next coming days will be extremely interesting and possible precedent setting. Elijahandskip (talk) 22:52, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

If you really want to play the “good quality encyclopedia articles” route, then Hurricane Ian 100% passes every possible ITN “good quality” checklist. An article I started, Zamfara kidnapping made ITN. Hurricane Ian as more international coverage, more article views, more bytes in size, more images, and is basically “more” or “better” in every possible way (even more deaths) than that kidnapping article, which made ITN. Stop stalling because you haven’t said a single reason that can’t be pushed back on why Hurricane Ian shouldn’t be posted to ITN. Elijahandskip (talk) 22:57, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
P.S. Also, based on that def, once NWS posts Ian's initial damage total, would that make it ITN (even if it ain't in the news anymore)? "Scale of destruction" cannot be judged during a storm that is ongoing, meaning you are considering only fatalities for ITN worthiness on a storm. Elijahandskip (talk) 21:59, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Masem, you know as well as anyone there is no WP:MINIMUMDEATHS threshold here. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:04, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
By tomorrow you will be wondering why we hadn't posted this sooner. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 22:31, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The rationale is similar to what Noah points out below. The landfall in Florida is expected to have as much if not more of an impact, so it makes sense to post when there's actual destruction to talk about. And on the hypothetic, if Ian turned north and later made significant damage in New England or Canada (to add to death toll perhaps) then we can update it if it was posted. But as it is with Ian, the "damage" that we have documented is mostly just the power failure which, in a hurricane, is not remarkable. Masem (t) 02:34, 29 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Ongoing It's still doing its thing, we can agree, whether we yet know how to word "its thing" into a few short points or not. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:54, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Weather events do not make for good ongoing since they only last for days, not weeks. We only need to consider posting when reasonably full extent if damages are known. Masem (t) 21:28, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    What's wrong with posting something for days? We sometimes do it with RDs. Way easier than us all agreeing on what constitutes a reasonably full extent. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:50, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    The only time we did Ongoing was during Cyclone Idai when the search for bodies was continuing to uncover dozens to hundreds per day. NoahTalk 22:40, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support It already made landfall and may cause some casualties. Shwcz (talk) 21:19, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes, it made landfall in Cuba long ago. I hope that's what you're talking about. HiLo48 (talk) 22:46, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Already had a big impact in Cuba, now made landfall in Florida. There are reports of 20 missing after a boat sank. Pawnkingthree (talk) 21:42, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support first blurb. nableezy - 21:52, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose until the impact is known. Will reconsider if significant fatalities and/or damage occurs.
NoahTalk 22:45, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
So re-nominate in like 2-3 days (after it ain’t a Hurricane anymore)? Elijahandskip (talk) 22:47, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That is normal, yes. Like any weather event, it'll probably be over by the time we know how devastating it was. That doesn't make it stale. "After it ain't a hurricane anymore" is the perfect time to post a hurricane blurb.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 22:53, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Elijahandskip:It's still a fresh news story for a whole week after it dissipates. People shouldn't nominate here until fatalities have been confirmed. Even then, they shouldn't nominate for low numbers (ie 1,2,3,etc) since that's typical of any tropical storm. The Rambling Man is right that too many storms either get shitty nominations when they aren't really all that impactful to society like what happened with Fiona for the record or have premature nominations when we have no idea what's happening in the affected regions like what's happening here right now. This makes it harder for those actually deserving to be posted. NoahTalk 22:54, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose The death toll from Fiona is over 10 times higher, and it's not being posted after two attempts here. If that isn't notable, I don't see how this is. Ian doesn't even seem to be breaking any records yet either, unlike Fiona. Nfitz (talk) 03:03, 29 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support - these ITN conversations and arguement are so ridiculous sometimes. Obviously notable (but how can we post it if we don't know how many people died???) and the article is good. --TorsodogTalk 04:15, 29 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support - it looks like a pretty bad hurricane, and even if we don't end up including it on the main page, it's definitely impossible to deny that media coverage has ramped up significantly. Dennis Dartman (talk) 04:21, 29 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment – Seems like it would've been nice if we had just put the hurricane season itself in ongoing... ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:45, 29 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support – Article looks really great! Definitely well set up for ITN, well done :) ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:45, 29 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment – In Florida, 2.5 million without power, one fatality reported. [4] [5] [6]Sca (talk) 12:27, 29 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Hilaree Nelson

Article: Hilaree Nelson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Missing September 26; Body found on September 28 बडा काजी (talk) 12:22, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support, Article is fine for a notable person. Alex-h (talk) 14:03, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Closed) Prime Minister of Saudi Arabia

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


 Ainty Painty (talk) 06:55, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose, my understanding is that he was the de facto head of government already, so becoming the formal head of government is no substantive change. Sandstein 07:00, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support It's in the news, unlike the election in Nauru. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:50, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    You still don't understand how Candidates works. Nauru elections are ITNR, the Saudi Arabian PM election is not. _-_Alsor (talk) 09:31, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose cosmetic change in order to grant diplomatic immunity to Prince Mohamed, who, to all intents and purposes, already rules on behalf of his father the King. Khuft (talk) 11:43, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Cosmetic change indeed. Tradediatalk 12:33, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment Oppose – Not prominently covered. – Sca (talk) 13:06, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Who? Just kidding! But seriously, who cares who the Prime Minister of Saudi Arabia is. The post is largely ceremonial in an absolute kingdom. Shwcz (talk) 13:12, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Might've been more noteworthy if it wasn't just MBS taking on another title.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 18:13, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Just Mohammad bin Salman formally becoming head of government of Saudi Arabia. He was already the de facto ruler of Saudi Arabia so basically ceremonial.  Hamza Ali Shah  Talk 19:00, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Ceremonial and lacks any real significance. Pawnkingthree (talk) 22:13, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Not substantive development. Thriley (talk) 23:32, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

September 27

Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

International relations

Politics and elections


RD: Sue Mingus

Article: Sue Mingus (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post; JazzTimes
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: First reported today (September 27); died on September 24. —Bloom6132 (talk) 19:20, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Support American record producer and band manager who died in a Manhattan hospital aged 92, article's mostly fine, aside from two versions of where and when she met Charles. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:24, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD:Joe Bussard

Article: Joe Bussard (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Pitchfork
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Notable collector of pre-war American roots music. yorkshiresky (talk) 19:08, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Support, but what the hell is the comment above?? GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:53, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    The user seems to be a vandalism only account, or lacks competence. I've removed the message and given them a 4im. Anarchyte (talk) 11:19, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Weak oppose Kinda short, but I would have supported it if not for some unencyclopedic language like "had the collecting bug", which should be addressed. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:09, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Nord Stream leaks

Article: 2022 Nord Stream gas leaks (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​The Nord Stream gas pipelines between Russia and Germany experience multiple simultaneous unexplained explosions and leaks. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​The Nord Stream gas pipelines between Russia and Germany experience three unexplained explosions and leaks off the coast of Bornholm.
Alternative blurb II: ​Multiple underwater leaks spring in the Nord Stream gas pipelines between Russia and Western Europe in what several countries term an apparent act of [state] sabotage.
News source(s): NY Times, Reuters, Guardian, AP, BBC, DW. AlJazeera
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Sabotage is widely suspected (the NS1 gas pipeline was, pre-invasion, one of the main routes for gas imports to Europe) by reliable sources, but probably not confirmed enough for a blurb Smurrayinchester 15:25, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Support major political event with possibility for environmental and/or economic trouble. The Kip (talk) 15:43, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Nothing at the moment to gauge its significance. Further, if the leak's relevance tangentially hinges on the war, ongoing is there. Gotitbro (talk) 15:58, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose - Just one of those freak accidents, I suppose. It happens. No one died, so it's hard to weigh the significance of this. And we should be careful not to automatically impose a POV without concrete evidence. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 16:10, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose for now. We have no idea what this is all about. If more facts come to light and a bigger story develops, it will probably get its own article and we'll see then. cart-Talk 16:30, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support major political event of geopolitical significance and a possible escalation of the Russo-Ukrainian War that may bring in European powers. IntrepidContributor (talk) 16:33, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • As long as we are at "possible" and "may", this is not an event for ITN. I think we should stick to facts. cart-Talk 16:37, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    It's a fact that there are three leaks in two pipelines alongside Denmark and that the Danish Prime Minister has said it may be sabotage and that Ukraine has accused Russia of doing it to aggress Europe. IntrepidContributor (talk) 16:43, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Is this a troll post or are you just childish? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:908:675:8D00:C059:841D:C8C4:4089 (talk) 19:26, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Neither; are you the long IP who removed it, the short one or both? InedibleHulk (talk) 19:30, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support, Both PM of Sweden and Denmark has held press briefings where they claim it's been an act of sabotage and not an accident. From a Global Politics perspective, this is a major geopolitical event. Swedish PM has spoken to the German Chancellor, Secretary General of NATO, Danish PM and EU commission. Manvswow (talk) 19:06, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose: NS2 never got final approval, and NS1 has been winding down for four months now. This just conforms to the trend, and needs greater significance for a post. 213.233.108.179 (talk) 19:36, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose. "Pipelines not in use get damaged, cause unknown" is not a notable enough item for ITN (Russia had stopped deliveries over NS1 weeks ago and NS2 was never in use). If (and only if) there are any further major developments because of these defects, we can then post those developments. Regards SoWhy 19:42, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Major event with large environmental consequences, all over the news. The Article featured should be 2022 Nord Stream gas leaks which I added in the Alt blurb.✨  4 🧚‍♂am KING  21:55, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Much improved, Your Majesty! If I may implore just one thing more, might ye see that "multiple" be "three"? And yes, I'm being childish here, not trollish and entirely serious about the whole specification request part of this. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:12, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Wait. As already noted, neither pipeline is in operation so political/economic impacts are likely off the table as things stand, and environmental impacts do not seem as great as suggested judging by the article. Probably worth waiting a few days to see if any of this changes but as is I don't see this as significant enough to post (save for the fact that this is getting a lot of coverage, but a lot of the buzz is just individuals playing the blame game. DarkSide830 (talk) 22:18, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment – Iffy.Sca (talk) 00:36, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Norway's drone alert seems significant too. Reminds me of the time in the Spanish Civil War when mysterious submarines started sinking ships in the Med. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:57, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose unless proven to be an act of sabotage not related to the current war. Quantum XYZ (talk) 12:11, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support – No longer iffy. Very widely covered, with several Baltic-bordering countries, plus the EU, condemning an apparent act of (state) sabotage. Favor Alt2 or something similar. – Sca (talk) 12:38, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
PS: Suggest we avoid the verb "experience" as anthropomorphic. Inanimate objects don't 'experience' things, only sentient beings do. – Sca (talk) 12:51, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Not much volume going thru the pipeline even before this incident. So this is just another event in the slow death of the pipeline. Not important enough at this point to be its own ITN item independant from the ongoing Ukraine war item... Tradediatalk 12:47, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment – In Alt2, the word "state" would be optional. – Sca (talk) 13:33, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • support unique, unusual, interesting, ACTUALLY IN THE NEWS. I'm kinda baffled by the responses of some of the other editors who oppose this on importance grounds (even though its the presence in mainstream news feeds that should be the actual criterion), but who then routinely vote for posting parliamentary elections in Nauru and similar exceedingly important news pieces.
Preceding posted by IP user 5.44.170.26. – Sca (talk) 17:09, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yeah, who gives a flip what's going on in Nauru! But on a more serious note, what is the exact significance you speak of that you believe is being overlooked? DarkSide830 (talk) 17:47, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support The pipelines were not used, but the attack does have an economic impact. The expectation was that in the future they would again be used, and that kept the gas price on the futures market in check. Since the attack the price has risen. There is a lack of production capacity for gas, and even if Europe can import all the gas it needs, LNG is way more expensive than gas from Russia was even under normal conditions. Another reason for the rise in the gas price as a result of the attack, is that there is now the possibility that Russia will deal a truly devastating blow to Europe by taking out the gas pipeline from Norway, attack LNG terminals etc. Count Iblis (talk) 17:50, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
When you speak of the rise in the gas price, are you speaking of LNG, or the stuff Americans call gas? HiLo48 (talk) 23:07, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support EU, NATO say Nord Stream gas pipelines were sabotaged. Significant political, economic, and environmental impacts. Widely covered in the news.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 18:29, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose. No casualties. This seems to be just an extension of a war that is already ongoing. Shwcz (talk) 21:23, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose - basically covered by the war ongoing item. nableezy - 21:55, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Only thing is the Baltic Sea is about a thousand kilometres from the battle fields of Ukraine; and no warring party claimed responsibility for this attack. ✨  4 🧚‍♂am KING  23:03, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    The subject is not mentioned in the Russian invasion of Ukraine article at all, so it is not covered there. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:38, 29 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support – Excellent work on the article on this subject. The fact that "the incidents are likely to put a permanent end to both Nord Stream projects" seems to automatically make this ITN-appropriate. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 06:56, 29 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Regardless of if being a (potential) part of the War, it has also had a big impact on European economy (gas/electric prices) and a environmental impact. Pardy (talk) 09:49, 29 September 2022 (UTC).Reply[reply]
    It should be pointed out that at the point the issues were found, the lines had not be used for natural gas transport for months due to the way, the only leaks being from the residual NG left in the lines. Masem (t) 12:18, 29 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment – Sweden finds fourth large leak. [7] [8]Sca (talk) 12:32, 29 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

September 26

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RD: Mark Souder

Article: Mark Souder (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Journal Gazette
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 20:49, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Naoero parliamentary election

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Article: 2022 Nauruan parliamentary election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Nauru elects all 19 members of its parliament (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​After the general election in Nauru, Russ Kun (pictured) is sworn in as President.
News source(s): Pina, Naoero Electoral Commission, RNZ
Credits:

Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: It is quite difficult to write a blurb for a country with only 10000 inhabitants and no political parties. Article needs tons of work, nominating to draw attention to it. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:30, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Support once expanded - I'd doubt the significance but I realize this is in WP:ITN/R, so this is not the place to raise my objections. Quantum XYZ (talk) 15:01, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Needs more prose, needs to have the links removed from the section headers per MOS:SECTIONHEAD, tables need "scopes" per MOS:DTAB. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:15, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support in principle but the article is 80% tables at the moment. The Kip (talk) 15:36, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose for now Sadly, even the tables are not complete - only four of the eight constituencies are currently included. See also here: Nauru election results. In addition, it seems that a new president was elected by the new parliament - it would be great to have more prose on that too. Khuft (talk) 11:53, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose I propose we make an exception and skip this one per WP:IAR. Tradediatalk 12:23, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    no. _-_Alsor (talk) 12:57, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose we wouldn't post results for a mayoral election for a small city of 10,000 people. As cool as Nauru is, they are tiny. 1779Days (talk) 16:35, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    and? You should know that Nauru is a sovereign nation. City ≠ Nation _-_Alsor (talk) 17:11, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • I'm very aware this is ITNR, but I Oppose- not because it is a small country, but because this isn't sufficiently covered in reliable sources. No problem posting if this is sufficiently in the news. 331dot (talk) 16:37, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support on notability - something I shouldn't have to say because the entire purpose of ITNR is to skip the notability question because change in government in a sovereign state is inherently notable. Oppose for now on quality. The most substantial section is the one which describes the electoral system, but there is little content about the election itself.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 18:16, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose on quality. The election is already over but there seems to be still no improvements to the article. Shwcz (talk) 21:27, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • The new president has just been sworn in, so there is an altblurb. Joofjoof (talk) 10:50, 29 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • The quality of both the election article itself, and of the Russ Kun article, are currently sadly too low to merit posting. I hope someone might jump in and expand these articles! ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 11:19, 29 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) RD: Tom Reed (American football)

Article: Tom Reed (American football) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The News & Observer; North Carolina State University; Miami University
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 11:21, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

2022 Cuban Family Code referendum

Article: 2022 Cuban Family Code referendum (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​A referendum on legalizing same-sex marriage in Cuba passes. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Cuba legalizes same-sex marriage and adoption following the passage of the Family Code referendum.
Alternative blurb II: ​A referendum on recognizing same-sex marriages and other family matters in Cuba passes.
News source(s): BBC, Reuters
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Important referendum for the LGBT community in Cuba. I might have to rewrite the blurb. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 22:46, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Inquiry Is this the first (non-overseas-territory) same-sex marriage legalization in the Caribbean? If so, this is notable. Also worth mentioning in the blurb that the same referendum legalized adoption by same-sex couples.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 23:11, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Yes, sort of. It is the first *independent* Caribbean island to legalize same-sex marriage. The other places in the Caribbean that have same-sex marriage have some association with Europe or the US. For example, Overseas France, Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands; Bonaire, St. Eustatius and Saba (Netherlands) See Recognition of same-sex unions in the Americas -TenorTwelve (talk) 01:41, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It's also the first Marxist-Leninist or communist state to legalize it. I would say both factors push it to notability. @TenorTwelve: @Vanilla Wizard:. KlayCax (talk) 03:56, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Added an alt-blurb that also links to LGBT rights in Cuba, since pages of this type are typically ran whenever a country adopts same-sex marriage (and the article itself is in good shape from a cursory glance). Anyway, weak support as it's the first Caribbean nation and first authoritarian country to adopt same-sex marriage. However, the Family Code page needs to make its summary beefier and fix some citation needed tags. Mount Patagonia (talk) 23:30, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose there are more than thirty countries that have legalised same sex marriage. Not notable. Stephen 23:42, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It's the first Marxist-Leninist and communist state to recognize same-sex marriage. That's what makes it notable. KlayCax (talk) 03:53, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The early Soviet Union deregulated such matters – see free love, for example. That was really progressive whereas the Cuban thing seems to be a huge bureaucratic list of regulations about numerous family matters. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:00, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Didn't the Soviet Union do so on accident via a technicality? Lenin (who opposed free love) declared all imperial-era laws null and void, which technically deregulated homosexuality for a short time, and then Stalin cracked down on it and the USSR would remain very hostile to gay civil liberties for the rest of its existence. It was certainly not an example of a Marxist-Leninist state intentionally granting rights to gay couples.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 21:40, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Most of these are in Europe or South America where it same-sex marriage is more common and less notable (hence why we blurbed Taiwan but not Slovenia).  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 00:19, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support per Mount Patagonia stating that it was the first Caribbean nation to legalize it. Barring islands owned by Western powers, the Caribbean has some very poor LGBT rights. This is a remarkable first for the region.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 00:19, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose In other news the sun is expected to rise in the east tomorrow. From my perspective, this has become routine. If Saudi Arabia or Russia legalize it, I might consider supporting a blurb. But otherwise, this has become an endless run of "this or that country legalizes SSM" nominations. If someone wants to propose that legalization of SSM should be added to ITNR, that discussion belongs on the talk page. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:47, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Cuba is the first communist and Marxist-Leninist state to legalize same-sex marriage. That's what makes it notable. It's not like Italy hypothetically legalizing it. KlayCax (talk) 03:54, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • AGF Support per the analysis of TenorTwelve and Mount Patagonia. If every election result is posted even when there isn't a transfer of power... this is a significant change. --Gaois (talk) 03:12, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support once the "Voting" section is properly cited. It might need a bit more expansion too. The article overall does look very nice and should fit well within our ITN framework. First independent Caribbean nation to make the step is real excellent news! LGBT rights has always been an interesting ongoing story within Cuba and has been quite positive since the 1990s, but this is a great landmark. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 06:16, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    The more I read about this topic, the more significant it seems. Aljazeera notes that it "[allows] surrogate pregnancies, broader rights for grandparents in regard to grandchildren, protection of the elderly and measures against gender violence." I do feel like the article might need more expansion on the details on all these items before posting... ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 11:12, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Not important enough for ITN. We don't want to use Wikipedia for political activism. Tradediatalk 09:23, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    How does this fall under political activism? —VersaceSpace 🌃 16:22, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It's not. Wikipedia did the same with Taiwan in 2019. It's entirely in line with previous, established precedent on the issue. I'm perplexed by your claim that this is "political activism". News coverage isn't the same as an endorsement (for or against). KlayCax (talk) 19:46, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Major news, first country in the Caribbean to do so. Stop being homophobic and celebrate this victory for the LGBTQ+ community. Hcoder3104☭ (💬) 12:21, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    @Hcoder3104: That is an extremely bad-faith casting of aspersions. No one here is motivated by homophobia. Please strike your comment. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 14:31, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • While I support its inclusion, that's a massive reach of an accusation to make considering the genuine debate above. The Kip (talk) 15:39, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose – Per Stephen, Orientem, Tradedia. Old hat [9]. – Sca (talk) 15:26, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • : It's entirely in line with the criteria established by precedent. Cuba is the first communist, Marxist-Leninist, and Caribbean state to legally recognize same-sex marriage. There's simply a multitude of reasons on why this is independently notable.KlayCax (talk) 19:50, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support With Cuba being both the first major Caribbean state and first professed Marxist-Leninist state to do most of this, I feel the notability meets the bar for ITNR (versus being the Xth European country to do so). The Kip (talk) 15:39, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support. Major news. Reporting on an advancement of human rights isn't "political activism". What a joke. —VersaceSpace 🌃 16:29, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Unless I'm mistaken, there never was a law against gay marriage, only a part of the constitution that defined marriage as a union of a man and a woman. That prohibitive wording was already removed in December 2018, approved by referendum February 2019. Now, in 2022, it's defined as a union of "two people", but is no more or less legal than it had been for about four years. I'm totally ignorant on the adoption angle; maybe that's a real change. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:55, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    That's a bit inaccurate. No, Cuba did not already have same-sex marriage before 2022. Despite the removal of the explicit Constitutional ban in 2019, article 2 of the previous Family Code law defined marriage as between one man and one woman. The changes to the constitution three years ago simply paved the way for this to be possible today. Note that most countries don't have such explicit constitutional bans on SSM like Cuba used to, yet most countries also don't legally recognize SSM. E.g., Poland has a constitutional ban on it, but dropping that constitutional ban would not be the same as legalizing it.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 17:52, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I didn't say it had them, I said its constitution already dropped the only wording that (implicitly) banned them. If there's some practical distinction between legalizing something and making it not illegal, it's too slight for me. And if you're saying the Family Code still defined marriage as between one man and one woman after April 2019, that's at odds with several paragraphs in the target article's Background section. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:05, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    The Constitution of Cuba banned same-sex marriage until 2019. However, other pieces of legislation restricted legal marriage recognition to heterosexual partnerships. No same-sex relationships were recognized in law until the passage of the referendum. KlayCax (talk) 19:46, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    So same-sex marriages are now recognized in Cuba. Cool. Added an altblurb, InedibleHulk (talk) 19:51, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    A legally binding marriage is one that is recognized by the state. If it is not recognized, it is not legal.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 21:09, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Yes, previous gay marriages were not legally binding. But before they were recognized, it was not a crime to perform or partake in one. On the other hand, the doing, providing and holding of many "progressive" recreational drugs has yet to be legalized, despite several Cuban laws presumably recognizing the practices. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:23, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    "Performing a gay marriage" when it's not legally binding is just pretending to get married for fun. Of course that wouldn't be a crime. Describing that as "gay marriage was legal, just not recognized" is just severely misunderstanding what the word "legal" means in the context of gay marriage. Altblurb2 is misinformed.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 21:31, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    It could also be seen as binding in the eyes of God before the state recognizes it. A sacred bond, not just gay fun. If you don't consider legal recognition of same-sex marriages and other matters the point here, by all means, ignore my blurb (but always remember, performers marry, partakers get married.) InedibleHulk (talk) 21:38, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support The first nation in a historically socially-conservative region makes this more noteworthy than if it was X European country, and I think it is worthwhile to note this in blurb that it is the first in the Caribbean. Curbon7 (talk) 17:31, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    It's only the first in the Caribbean if you arbitrarily discount the third lead paragraph of Recognition of same-sex unions in the Americas. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:24, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    It's the first sovereign state in the Caribbean to do so, every other one has been a territory/dominion of another country The Kip (talk) 19:32, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Is this a meaningful distinction, in a sexual context, or just trivia? InedibleHulk (talk) 19:56, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Of course it's a meaningful distinction. The United States is not "a Caribbean country", despite owning territories in it where same-sex marriage is only legal simply because these lands are owned by the US. The Caribbean is a very conservative region with regards to LGBT rights. Never before has a country within it made the decision to legalize SSM.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 20:51, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    It's a very conservative region if you pretend the lands and people that make up its majority don't count because they're somewhat remotely administered (or not Communist, Marxist, Leninist, whatever). InedibleHulk (talk) 21:29, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support per Maplestrip and The Kip as the first country in the region and the first country with a similar ideology legalizing gay marriage. Also, it's only the third constitutional referendum in Cuba ever and the first after the 2019 Cuban constitutional referendum that adopted the current constitution, which is also noteworthy since Cuba has not seen the possibility of such participation (with the last one being 43 years before the 2019 one). Regards SoWhy 19:51, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Strong support per previously established precedent. Cuba is the first communist, Marxist-Leninist, and independent Caribbean polity to legally recognize same-sex marriages. KlayCax (talk) 19:52, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
'Strong support' = support. – Sca (talk) 14:38, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose per Stephen, Orientem, Tradedia, etc. Nothing new. Just routine. Same-sex marriages are legal in several countries around the world.--Kacamata! Dimmi!!! 20:46, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose per Kacamata. I don't think we need to blurb every time this happens. If this happened in Saudi Arabia I'd say blurb it. Thriley (talk) 22:05, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment. Not voting on this because of how charged the conversation has become, but I think it does not make sense for us to use region as context for posting such a blurb. Yes, Cuba may be the first Caribbean country that has legalized same-sex marriage, but that fact alone does not make this blurb-worthy in the sense that the Caribbean isn't some homogeneous group of nations, and we have no proof that the legalization of same-sex marriage in one Caribbean country will have any effect on similar legislation in another. I think if this nom were to pass it should be in the Marxist-Leninist context, not the regional one. DarkSide830 (talk) 22:26, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose on quality I expect prose explaining the impact of its passing, justifying its posting to readers.—Bagumba (talk) 07:10, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support per above. First in the region, sweeping effects for the country, huge milestone for LGBT rights. Davey2116 (talk) 07:19, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support - elections are typically posted for every country in the world. The result is historic since it is the first Communist country to legalize gay marriage. Shwcz (talk) 13:01, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment – After 38+ hours, consensus appears unlikely to develop. – Sca (talk) 14:45, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • For what it's worth, the !votes aren't that close (by my count 14:9 including the nom), but Wikipedia is not a vote and the longer this goes without posting the more stale it'll be. Not stale just yet IMO, I still see people talk about it outside of Wikipedia, but I agree it is slowly but surely getting stale.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 17:50, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support a major development no matter how many have come before it, and rare enough that we can post without worry. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 18:17, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose No prose results and the conduct section lacks references. Also, please remember that Cuba is still part of North America. Joofjoof (talk) 09:41, 29 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose such legalizations are common nowadays. It seems to be legalized throughout most of the Americas. Unless some country currently punishing it with death penalty legalizes it, it shouldn't get posted. 2A02:2F0E:D619:3D00:417C:3EAC:70D0:F5CD (talk) 12:14, 29 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

[ready] Double Asteroid Redirection Test

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Article: Double Asteroid Redirection Test (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: NASA's DART spacecraft successfully collides with the asteroid Dimorphos (pictured immediately before collision) in a demonstration of asteroid impact avoidance. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​The Double Asteroid Redirection Test deliberately collides a spacecraft with asteroid Dimorphos (pictured) to test asteroid deflection.
News source(s): CNN NYT JPL press release
Credits:

Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Impact of DART spacecraft on asteroid Dimorphos expected to take place in about an hour from time of writing, nominating ahead of time since it is not only ITN/R (arrival of interplanetary spacecraft at destination) but also has received significant press coverage as the first spacecraft to alter the trajectory of an asteroid. [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 22:16, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Wait until it is confirmed whether it impacts or fails to impact the asteroid; will change to support afterwards. The Kip (talk) 22:30, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support It's good to give people advance warning. I'm watching the Official NASA broadcast. The opposition of Jupiter is also worth a look but it's overcast where I am. Note that the launch was previously posted. This time, we have a cool picture of the target just before impact and there may be some good stand-off images of the impact to come. Andrew🐉(talk) 23:32, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support, once properly updated. NYT reports that the test was successful. Nsk92 (talk) 23:22, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support the mission was successful, the spaccraft deliberately crashed into the asteroid. It would be good to have confirmation of the asteroid orbital trajectory change but I guess that will be sometime before that can be confirmed. Polyamorph (talk) 02:43, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Partial support Change to support - After it's been replaced by the official release (rather than the crop from a blurry Youtube video). The image is a composite of the images released. I'd still prefer the official release I linked to, but I guess this is fine. Renerpho (talk) 03:26, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment Dimorphos is actually a Minor-planet moon, rather than an asteroid/minor planet on its own right, so I would consider providing an altblurb. Ornithoptera (talk) 03:54, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Didymos and Dimorphos are a binary asteroid system. Dimorphos is the "moon" in the system but is still an asteroid in its own right. Polyamorph (talk) 06:19, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support – The article is looking lovely and this seems very well-suited. I do see one or two sentences uncited, which should be fixed first, but the article seems mostly ready to me! ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 06:10, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment ATLAS has published a nice GIF of their telescopic view of the impact. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:07, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Weak support. Definitely notable enough and the article has been updated. However it could do with some tidying up - it's been used as an image dump, some of the prose is self-promotional, and there are a few {{cn}} tags for the new material. I've added an altblurb, which is both shorter and avoids the confusion of saying the impact is to avoid an impact. Modest Genius talk 12:01, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support once above issues are resolved. DarkSide830 (talk) 13:32, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support - unique event in space history. Nfitz (talk) 15:58, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment What's up with the broken template displayed above? Renerpho (talk) 23:39, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Love to see space news on ITN. Davey2116 (talk) 07:20, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment 3 "citation needed" and a "needs update" tag outstanding.—Bagumba (talk) 08:18, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support its been two days, the article is fine jonas (talk) 12:22, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Weak support Nothing has really happened yet. Shwcz (talk) 13:07, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support only once the "Course of the impact" section is updated. Several cn and update tags are oustanding, and this is the section that we are promoting. Anarchyte (talk) 14:10, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support I finished cleaning up the final tags in the article. I think confirmation of shift could work also, but it's unlikely to receive the same coverage as to flashy plume and livestream. I suggest posting asap. 2A02:2F0E:D619:3D00:417C:3EAC:70D0:F5CD (talk) 12:13, 29 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Yusuf al-Qaradawi

Article: Yusuf al-Qaradawi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Al Qaradawi's website, The National
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Muslim scholar from Egypt, affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood. Article in good shape, except for 9 "citation needed" tags. Quantum XYZ (talk) 12:01, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Support: He is one of the most influential figure among Muslim world. 3skandar (talk) 14:39, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support nableezy - 15:08, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Wait Many CN tags, orange "expansion" section, some wonky English, generally seems like a long argument about controversial things. The update is in order (no cause needed). Definitely famous enough. InedibleHulk (talk) 15:23, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support once quality issues are fixed. The Kip (talk) 20:38, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Removed the uncited quotes as both uncited and mostly OR on primary sources, leaving the expand tag. Id say just remove that too, anybody can expand it without the tag. nableezy - 17:56, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
There still remain a number of cn tags, as well as a few major works lacking ISBN identifiers. DatGuyTalkContribs 17:59, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Izhevsk school shooting

Article: Izhevsk school shooting (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: A school shooting in Izhevsk, Russia, leaves 18 people dead (Post)
News source(s): BBC, AP, Guardian, Reuters, France24, DW
Credits:

Nominator's comments: At least 14 dead and 21 injured. There seems to have been a few in Russia in recent years but I think still comparatively rare compared, say, to the US. So worth a discussion on significance here. The article will need expansion before it is suitable for posting - Dumelow (talk) 11:54, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Support after expansion. We posted the Kazan school shooting last year (see here). Anarchyte (talk) 12:01, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Article needs further expansion but I definitely see myself supporting this! :( ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 12:05, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support once expanded per nom and Anarchyte. Quantum XYZ (talk) 12:08, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support ... pending expansion. Very widely covered. – Sca (talk) 12:14, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support once the article is expanded and everything is confirmed Mooonswimmer 12:25, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support - Article has bare minimum to post Sherenk1 (talk) 12:35, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • I'm only getting 174 words of prose, we tend to want around 500 for posting purposes. --Masem (t) 12:39, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support posting once expanded We don't even need to compare to the US. If this happened in the US, we would post it. --RockstoneSend me a message! 12:45, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    So much for not needing to compare. InedibleHulk (talk) 13:05, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Question Are TASS, Dmitry Peskov and the Investigative Committee of Russia to be believed on such things as casualty figures and allegations of Nazi-themed terrorism? InedibleHulk (talk) 13:17, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    If our normal RSes are reporting what these groups say. We have zero reason to doubt that these statements were made, but I would expect their statements to be attributed. Masem (t) 13:35, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    They're currently attributed in some places, Wikipedia-voiced in Events and only vaguely alluded to (perhaps with suspicion) in others, such as "officials" and "reported". It's not terrible. But it bears watching. InedibleHulk (talk) 13:43, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment – At 14:00, this event led most RS sites (although NYT put it below a dozen other articles). All the RSs above quote official Russian sources. The lone shooter reportedly wore "Nazi symbols" or a swastika. That may echo Russian propaganda about Ukraine, but that doesn't mean it's untrue. Definitely looming large, no reason for us to ignore it. – Sca (talk) 14:26, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose on quality. Stubish now, needs expanding. Therapyisgood (talk) 15:23, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment - I think we have too many of these items. But I don't see how it doesn't get posted, given what gets (in my mind, unnecessarily) posted about such events in USA and recently in Canada. Nfitz (talk) 15:32, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support, We have put similar incidents before. Alex-h (talk) 16:47, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment – At this point article is a 235-word stub. – Sca (talk) 19:26, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Currently oppose on quality. Essentially two and a half sentences about the events themselves is too little for me at this time, given that's the topic of the article and what would be the subject of the blurb. As illustration, the "See also" section is about a third the length in words of "Events". A quick check of the sources, and other news reports, it seems there is little in the of information right now, though I assume there will be more forthcoming. ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 01:44, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support on notability, not ready on quality per what everyone else said. Once it's lengthened to at least start-class and we have more information about the event itself, it should be good to go.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 01:49, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support once expanded per Vanilla Wizard. DarkSide830 (talk) 22:28, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment – In news terms, getting stale. – Sca (talk) 00:34, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Looks more than a stub now as there was some expansion, marking ready. Brandmeistertalk 09:52, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment – In terms of news, stale. – Sca (talk) 12:56, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • No, still newer than our newest item (26 September vs. Kipchoge's item from 25 September). Brandmeistertalk 18:44, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      In terms of news, not in terms of Wiki ITN blurb order. -- Sca (talk) 12:37, 29 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Unmarked ready Consensus is that this is notable for posting upon expansion. The current readable prose is 2046 bytes and 322 words. Need affirmation on whether this is sufficient. There was one earlier mention of wanting 500 words.—Bagumba (talk) 06:59, 29 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

September 25

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Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

Law and crime

Politics and elections


RD: Meredith Tax

Article: Meredith Tax (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: A pioneer of the American women's liberation movement. Thriley (talk) 23:13, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Nikolai Kirtok

Article: Nikolai Kirtok (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): всегерои.рф
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:58, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: Jonathan Beaulieu-Richard

Article: Jonathan Beaulieu-Richard (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [10]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 19:52, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RD: James Florio

Article: James Florio (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New Jersey Globe
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former Governor of New Jersey Thriley (talk) 11:22, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) 2022 Italian general election

Proposed image
Giorgia Meloni
Article: 2022 Italian general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​The centre-right coalition led by Giorgia Meloni (pictured) wins the 2022 Italian general election. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​The centre-right coalition wins a majority of seats in the 2022 Italian general election. (Brothers of Italy leader Giorgia Meloni pictured).
News source(s): Sky News, Reuters, BBC News, AP, DW, CNN
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Comfortable win according to exit polls for Meloni just as opinion polls predicited, results are watched in the whole world as Italy is a major country. BastianMAT (talk) 21:14, 25 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support Obviously notable and article looks fine. According to the centre-right coalition, the coalition is led by the three main party leaders (Meloni, Salvini, and Berlusconi). As such saying that Meloni is the leader of the coalition would appear inaccurate, even if it is likely she will be elected Prime Minister after the election. I would instead rephrase the blurb as: "The Centre-right coalition wins the 2022 Italian general election. (Brothers of Italy leader Giorgia Meloni pictured)." Gust Justice (talk) 21:32, 25 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Article does not "look fine" when the "Results" section only contains empty tables and no prose. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:33, 25 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Obviously I would only post once at least initial results are part of the article. I wouldn't immediately post the blurb right now. Gust Justice (talk) 21:37, 25 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Given that this is ITN/R, there is no need to support on importance, only when the item is ready based on quality. Your initial comment made no mention of waiting for it to be ready. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:40, 25 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Per agreement in the centre-right coalition, largest party gets the PM role, and that is Meloni, so she has obviously been crowned the winner by RS but we can use the other blurb too. [11] BastianMAT (talk) 07:47, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose for now until results tables are filled in and some prose about the results is written up. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:33, 25 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Have added an aftermath and exit polls result section now. BastianMAT (talk) 07:47, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Tentative Support, By ANY Blurb The results section is empty. Assuming that's normal for now and the article won't otherwise get worse, cool. Only two years or less till this major country's 69th post-war government! InedibleHulk (talk) 21:40, 25 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Wait. Official results are not out yet. I do not think we should post this nom on exit polls. DarkSide830 (talk) 01:14, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Main opposition, Democratic Party has conceded, Meloni has announced victory and several politicians such as Le Pen and Polish PM have congratulated her. We can of course wait, but it is not likely to change anything. [12] [13] BastianMAT (talk) 07:47, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Wait, and then support Alternative. Wait for the table to have a reliable set of results, of course, but this is fairly conclusive. JackWilfred (talk) 08:13, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment We need to wait for the dust to settle but note that Melini would be Italy's first female PM. She seems to be in the mould of Britain's first female PM – big on traditional values and handbagging the EU. But coalition politics are messy. Note that we are still blurbing the Swedish election, which was two weeks ago, but they don't seem to have formed a government yet. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:29, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
As a Swede that have lived in Italy, there is a clear difference here. The centre-right coalition is an actual coalition with all agreements made, and Meloni already being finalized as the PM candidate as her party is the biggest. Sweden’s right-bloc was an ”informal” coalition with no agreements made except ousting the sitting government, and that is why the negotiations is taking a while. BastianMAT (talk) 09:16, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Wait, until actual election results rather than just exit polls are available. Nsk92 (talk) 08:57, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Nsk92:, 98% of the actual results counted now, lol. [14] [15] BastianMAT (talk) 09:16, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The results table in the article is still empty. Nsk92 (talk) 10:11, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Support – I think the article is ready for ITN. Yakme (talk) 10:25, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support. Excellent article, with detailed prose on the results and aftermath, well-cited throughout. Exemplary. Modest Genius talk 12:14, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose ... for now. Article backs into results, mentioning Meloni's victory only after 186 words of background. Reorganization needed. With a suitably revised lead section it would be blurbable. – Sca (talk) 12:29, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
PS: FWIW, German Wiki's ITN blurbs this as follows: "In the parliamentary elections in Italy, the far-right Fratelli d'Italia under its leader Giorgia Meloni emerge[s] as the strongest force." – Sca (talk) 12:45, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
 Done I think now the lead is a bit more on point. Yakme (talk) 13:00, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Now it's in the second graf. Somewhat better, but ideally it should be in the first, the true 'lede' paragraph. -- Sca (talk) 14:15, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I disagree, as the first paragraph should first state why there was a snap election in the first place, then the results. I think at the moment the results are quite clear by reading the first few lines. Yakme (talk) 16:11, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Sca, I followed your latest suggestion, which one is better?12 Davide King (talk) 16:15, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Found a middle-ground agreement with Davide King which IMO improved the intro. Should now make everyone happy. Yakme (talk) 17:01, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support Quality is good enough; don't see a good reason to delay this. Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:39, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose unless the blurb is corrected to "right-wing". Only one of the three parties forming the coalition is regularly described as "centre-right" (Forza Italia) and it received the smallest percentage in the polls. Many reliable sources even describe the government as "far-right": [16][17][18][19][20][21] (even right-of-centre sources: [22][23][24]). Daß Wölf 15:07, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Agree. (Er, in German it's der Wolf, though.) -- Sca (talk) 15:42, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Do you have anything to say on the quality of the article? -- Pawnkingthree (talk) 15:55, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Now that the results have been moved up to the top, the article seems adequate. Suggest post while it's still timely. -- Sca (talk) 16:07, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Disagree. The WP:COMMON name of the winning coalition is Centre-right coalition, it's a historical name in Italian politics. It does not matter that it is right-wing, or far-right, that's its name. Yakme (talk) 16:13, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Semantics, IMO. Let's follow the RS usage. – Sca (talk) 16:18, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Small c, though. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:17, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
What about: "The coalition led by Giorgia Meloni (pictured) wins a majority of seats in the 2022 Italian general election"? Yakme (talk) 20:38, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It looks like a link to coalition. We may as well say the prime minister won the election. I insist you were right the first time. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:57, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) RD: Aïcha Chenna

Article: Aïcha Chenna (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Iconic Moroccan Activist Aicha Chenna Dies at 82
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 gobonobo + c 14:31, 25 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) RD: Oleksii Zhuravko

Article: Oleksii Zhuravko (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Ukrainska Pravda (in Ukrainian), Euromaiden Press
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 TJMSmith (talk) 14:01, 25 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Comment – Article says subject was "reportedly killed" in an airstrike. That language doesn't seem definite enough for an 'encyclopedic' RD. – Sca (talk) 15:07, 25 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose for now. RD requires "reliably sourced confirmation of their death", and I'm not convinced that second-hand reports of a statement in "Russian propaganda media" qualify. Thryduulf (talk) 16:26, 25 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose None of the news or references are in English. All can be seen as Russian or Ukrainian propaganda. If it were just most and the subject was less controversial, I'd say whatever, not technically verboten. But no. Not whatever now. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:12, 25 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support The "language" changed to Factish and the BBC is now referenced, confirming in no uncertain terms that A representative of the law enforcement agencies in the region was quoted by the TASS news agency as saying that the attack "was clearly carried out with the help of Nato representatives, according to their intelligence and on their tip". In simpler terms, Kirill Stremousov said in a statement that Ukrainian armed forces fired a missile on the Play Hotel by Ribas at 05:30 (03:30 BST) on Sunday. In one, "terrorist". The article might still need work, attribution-wise, but whatever. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:09, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Looks better. -- Sca (talk) 12:31, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support the article has been reasonably fixed-up from its state at nomination to assuage the concerns above. Curbon7 (talk) 17:47, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 18:40, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(Posted) 2022 Berlin Marathon

Proposed image
Eliud Kipchoge about 14.5 km (9.0 mi) into the race
Article: 2022 Berlin Marathon (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​At the Berlin Marathon, Eliud Kipchoge (pictured) wins with a new world record and Tigist Assefa wins with a new course record. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​At the Berlin Marathon, Kenyan runner Eliud Kipchoge (pictured) sets a new marathon world record with a time of 2:01:09.
Alternative blurb II: ​At the Berlin Marathon, Kenyan Eliud Kipchoge (pictured) and Ethiopian Tigist Assefa win the men's and women's races with new world and course records respectively.
News source(s): BBC · CNA · DW · The Guardian · The New York Times · Olympics · Reuters · Runner's World
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: i will be updating the article shortly. any suggestions would be appreciated. note: the berlin marathon is not in itn/r, though i am not sure why. however, i figured that a new world record would be worthy of itn. dying (talk) 10:03, 25 September 2022 (UTC) [updated. dying (talk) 07:10, 28 September 2022 (UTC)]Reply[reply]

  • Support once updated Still in need of updates, and fixing of barerefs, but it is clearly significant enough to post, since we posted the prior marathon world record, also set by Kipchoge at the Berlin Marathon. Jackattack1597 (talk) 11:29, 25 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose – Lacks general impact or significance. – Sca (talk) 12:50, 25 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support once the article is improved. I find it really surprising that this marathon isn't listed as ITNR given that it's been part of the World Marathon Majors from the beginning and its flat course makes it attractive with significantly higher probability to set a new world record.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:53, 25 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support once updated - The marathon is significant on its own, nevermind with the new record. Quantum XYZ (talk) 14:36, 25 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    It seems that new records are a usual thing here, but I remain supportive of the nomination. Perhaps even an addition to WP:ITN/R? Quantum XYZ (talk) 15:27, 25 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose per Sca. BilledMammal (talk) 14:39, 25 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment the Berlin Marathon was posted in 2018, not sure what would be different to make it lacking in significance now vs then. Lewis Hulbert (talk) 15:18, 25 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • The 2018 nomination and posting was based on the significance of the new world record rather than the significance of the event. The significance of the two records may or may not be the same. Thryduulf (talk) 16:32, 25 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
      • the record that was posted in 2008 had broken a record that was set the previous year by 27 seconds, so presumably, this one is more significant. also, my guess is that this record will last for a while (though i would love to be proven wrong).[original research] one opinion, in an article published on a site filled with experienced runners, predicts kipchoge's record "could stand for 20 years". (i wouldn't go that far, though.) dying (talk) 07:10, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment The article on Tigist Assefa needs to be updated/expanded. TJMSmith (talk) 15:20, 25 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    thanks for pointing this out (and for cropping a picture of her). Track1News has expanded her article with an update. dying (talk) 17:56, 25 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support 30 seconds off the world record seems significant and it's in the news. Andrew🐉(talk) 15:52, 25 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • comment: i have marked the nomination updated as there is now a summary of kipchoge's race, although i hope to eventually get a summary of the others up as well. in addition, as i now realize that, the last time the world record was broken, only the record breaker was mentioned in the blurb, i have added an altblurb. (assefa's result was actually the third-fastest time ever, broke the course record by more than 2.5 minutes, and broke her personal record by almost 20 minutes, despite the race being only her second marathon, but, alas, it was not a world record.) i have also added a photo taken of kipchoge during the run, though i think some elements of the image could be cropped out. dying (talk) 16:00, 25 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Eliud Kipchoge during the record run
Eliud Kipchoge during the record run
note that there is now an interesting discussion on the talk page about marathons on itn/r. also, i've provided another photo of kipchoge during the race, as this one may be less busy, and therefore perhaps more appropriate on the main page as a small thumbnail. many thanks to Thryduulf who helped crop the original image, which i am now using as the infobox image. dying (talk) 07:10, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment This should probably be posted in terms of the ludicrous breaking of the world record, rather than the event itself. In which case the target article should probably be Eliud Kipchoge. His article appears to be mostly fine apart from the second paragraph of the "2021" section, which is unsourced. Black Kite (talk) 16:05, 25 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    this is a good point. i was unsure of which to bold (or whether to bold both) since the article on kipchoge himself was already pretty good, so i decided to follow the pattern used by recent marathon blurbs, which bolded the race, not the runners. i now see that the 2018 berlin blurb has the runner in bold, but not the marathon. i would support any decision, though if it gets posted without the marathon article in bold, i would also request that the associated article creation credit be removed from my nomination. dying (talk) 07:10, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment. I've drafted another altblurb that I think is clearer if we want to post a blurb mentioning both winners. Thryduulf (talk) 16:32, 25 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • World Record Only A lesser concurrent announcement waters it down (and as the record, the runner and the race completely coincide in this recent event, none can rightly stand bolder). InedibleHulk (talk) 19:11, 25 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Not important enough for ITN. Too many sports news. Tradediatalk 05:08, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Agree. -- Sca (talk) 12:33, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Perplexed I remember that among last year's Nobel Prizes in science, one was omitted here but of course, any sports news gets posted. This is getting ridiculous. I had never heard of Australian Rules football before and would have been glad to never hear of it. So why not for these world changing 30 seconds... Varoon2542 (talk) 17:10, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    i am similarly perplexed. i believe all of the marathon world records have been posted since the start of itn/c: 2007 (disc · diff), 2008 (disc · diff), 2011 (disc · diff), 2013 (disc · diff), 2014 (disc · diff), and 2018 (disc · diff). (also, they were all set in berlin.) i had admittedly assumed that posting marathon world records was a no-brainer. dying (talk) 07:10, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Dying Just because it was done in the past doesn't mean that it should continue. Are all practices not to be questioned? I was appalled when a Nobel Prize in Science was omitted last year. I had admittedly assumed that posting Nobel Prize winners was a no-brainer. I also assumed that marathon world records that happen very frequently (seven in less than 15 years!) as you yourself demonstrated, was not a significant subject to justify appearing on the main page. It's not a world changing event and it might pain you to learn, but most people who use wikipedia don't give a damn Varoon2542 (talk) 09:11, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support ALT only World record is notable, course record is not. The Kip (talk) 20:39, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support ALT2 - widely covered new world record, but would support the bolded article being Eliud Kipchoge per Black Kite. nableezy - 20:45, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support ALT1 as per above. We should be in the business of posting major athletic achievements. I tend to think those are more important than individual sports competitions.--🌈WaltCip-(talk) 15:01, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support ALT1 The more significant of the two, as this marathon isn't under ITNR, but the record in itself is a noteworthy achievement. Curbon7 (talk) 17:40, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Posted Consensus to post with focus on the world record. Blurb patterned after 2018 record post.—Bagumba (talk) 08:07, 28 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

September 24

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(Posted) RD: Bill Blaikie

Article: Bill Blaikie (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC News; Times Colonist (Canadian Press); CTV News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 06:09, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hurricane Fiona results

Proposed image
Article: Hurricane Fiona (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​Hurricane Fiona hits Canadian soil being the deepest low-pressure system ever to be recorded on the country's soil after causing extensive flooding in Guadalupe, Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic" (Post)
Alternative blurb: Hurricane Fiona kills at least 27 people across the Caribbean and Canada.
News source(s): [25], [26], [27]
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Historic meteorological event affecting multiple different countries

  • Oppose Not a significant disaster, but the record about lowest pressure system is fair game at DYK. --Masem (t) 21:54, 24 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment - Not sure what the impact of this is. Perhaps elaborate a bit further on damage/death toll, if there is one?--🌈WaltCip-(talk) 22:23, 24 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Support altblurb. The death toll has been steadily rising and it's already about as high as when we'd usually blurb a hurricane.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 00:14, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • A Canadian record???!!!!! C'mon. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 18:18, 25 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Oppose Support per Tenebris England's right, Canadian history's boring, a hurricane that fails MINIMUMDEATHS should beat some Atlantic record before it's showcased. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:26, 25 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    What number, User:InedibleHulk is MINIMUMDEATHS - I can't find that article? We certainly have posted articles about murderers who have less victims - even though that's a frequent occurrence in some countries. Nfitz (talk) 19:34, 25 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    It's an unfixed number. I could say twelve and be too high and too low, depends on others. Anyway, hurricanes aren't murders, and by virtue of almost always taking way longer should make Ongoing far more often (today's big storm shares its name with a Moors Murderer, DYK?). InedibleHulk (talk) 19:43, 25 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Not sure if hurricanes in ongoing would work in a lot of cases, as forecasts any further out than 3 days into the future can change quite a bit and it'd only make sense in situations where we knew that a hurricane would cause substantial damage to another country not long after causing damage to a first country (no use in making it ongoing if it just drifts off into the ocean and dissipates, right?) But I agree that Fiona would've been more noteworthy if it shattered Atlantic Hurricane records, not just Atlantic Canada records.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 20:00, 25 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Death toll sits at 19 now - with some still missing. Nfitz (talk) 20:04, 25 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Yeah, I meant the Atlantic Ocean (thought Atlantic Records). Hurricanes have precisely defined beginnings and ends, little subjectivity required when we see them in the news, and no need to boil the wider path down into a blurb someone will always find lacking (or misfocused or worse). Nineteen is a considerable amount. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:31, 25 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Reconsidering my opposition; we posted Hurricane Ida last year when it had fewer confirmed deaths (14 at the time). the toll would soon rise to 40 before its final count was over 100.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 20:22, 25 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I don't want to poison the well, but on my WIP-essay WP:HOWITNWORKS, which was transplanted from IntoThinAir's essay, it was determined that at least 17 deaths would be "enough" for a hurricane to be ITN-significant from a death toll standpoint. Of course, all sorts of factors come into play there. And even so, I want to emphasize there is no WP:MINIMUMDEATHS. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 13:16, 26 September 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Comment Has there ever previously been an Atlantic category 4 hurricane so far north of Bermuda? (Not saying it was category 4 at landfall.) - Tenebris 66.11.165.101 (talk) 01:39, 26 September 2022 (UTC)