Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates/August 2005

• The 2005 Forbes Global CEO Conference has kicked off in Sydney, Australia. Up to 10,000 protestors are expected. (Wikinews)
  • Apply present tense: The 2005 Forbes Global CEO Conference in Sydney, Australia begins, with up to 10,000 anti-free trade demonstrators expected. (May or may not be big news till the protestors do something drastic.) -- 199.71.174.100 08:56, 30 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• • Protestors did something drastic: Police arrest four at a barricade surrounding the Sydney Opera House as 2005 Forbes Global CEO Conference begins inside. (Wikinews) (Sydney Morning Herald via SMH.com.au)
    • Four arrests isn't exactly major world news.--Pharos 10:02, 31 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

August 29

• John Brogden, New South Wales Opposition Leader for the Liberal Party of Australia, resigns after accusing Helena Carr, the Malaysian-born wife of former NSW premier, Bob Carr, of being a "mail-order bride" and making unwanted sexual advances on several female journalists.

• This seems like local news to me, but what the heck ... This long blurb should be shortened. Details go to the article, not the Front Page. How about:

Unacceptable remarks force John Brogden, New South Wales Opposition Leader for the Liberal Party of Australia, to resign.

-- 199.71.174.100 04:08, 30 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• It was covered by:
  India Times (short article), The Age, The Herald (in the UK), The South African Star. And it wasn't just the remarks, it was also the sexual advances, so the shortened summary would be wrong and not neutral. - Ta bu shi da yu 04:13, 30 August 2005 (UTC)[reply
  ]

• How about "Unacceptable behaviour" ? Please just shorten this item. The Front Page is very imbalanced because of this.-- 199.71.174.100 04:26, 30 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• racial remarks. (Please shorten this if you can.) -- 199.71.174.100 08:56, 30 August 2005 (UTC)[reply
  ]

• Sounds good. Fixing. - Ta bu shi da yu 11:08, 30 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Thanks for fixing, non-bigfish. -- 199.71.174.100 11:23, 30 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• I think the word flood should be somewhere in the blurb about Hurricane Katrina. This is all I see on TV. Don't quite know how to best fit this in, though. -- 199.71.174.100 04:22, 30 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

August 28

• Members of the
  15 October, with leaders of the Sunni Islam community already calling for a "no" vote. -- PFHLai
  11:37, 2005 August 29 (UTC)
  • I added this below Katrina because the hurricane is a 'continuing story'. I also slightly modified it to say "Sunni Arab" rather than "Sunni Islam".--Pharos 13:11, 29 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thanks, Pharos. Always good to have some peer review here. -- PFHLai 13:14, 2005 August 29 (UTC)
      • BTW, the article is rather deficient. We should really go over the AP's translated text and try to have something at least as good as
        Law of Administration for the State of Iraq for the Transitional Period.--Pharos 13:23, 29 August 2005 (UTC)[reply
        ]

Re: England v Australia 25-29 August 2005 Have it say this:

• The
  Australia
  .

jguk 18:59, 28 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This is now the most significant series of cricket since 1981 and is being watched enthusiastically not only in the UK and Australia but throughout the cricketing world.

• Much as I am delighted at England's victory, I don't think this is front-page news. The end of the series would be, per precedent of the UEFA Cup and Champions League etc (this is probably equal in relevance in real terms), but this just doesn't quite nudge it to front-page status to me. [[smoddy]] 19:12, 28 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • I can't see why it shouldn't push an American politician making an apology four days ago off the page, jguk 19:24, 28 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • I don't think that should have gone on there either. But this is of marginal interest outside the UK and Australia, especially as it is to be repeated in just a couple of weeks' time. I hate to say it as well, but that article reads as a news report, not the kind of article we want to feature on the front page. You will excuse my brutality, but I just do not think this is a suitable main page feature. [[smoddy]] 19:33, 28 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      • Traitor! jguk 23:48, 28 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
        • There is a serious point beneath this - four day old news items should be removed and replaced with whatever the best alternative is. In this case, it does appear to be a slow news week - so why shouldn't potentially less notable stories get reported? Either the edit will be accepted or others will come in with new stories and articles to replace it. Finally, no doubt this particular article will change over time and join a welcome group of articles on various cricket seasons. I'm working on the
          1971/2 South African cricket season myself at the moment, jguk 23:48, 28 August 2005 (UTC)[reply
          ]

Re: Hurricane Katrina Have it say this:

• Hurricane Katrina continues to strengthen reaching Category five status with winds of at least 160 mph. It has the second lowest pressure for a named American hurricane since
  New Orleans
  are leaving as the eye is expected to collide with the region within 24 hours.
• It is the second most intense named American hurricane since 1851. Hellohowareyou 11:40, 28 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

August 26

The death toll from

Kitch 18:53, 26 August 2005 (UTC)[reply

]

August 25

The

elections on September 18 may go ahead. Dr Gangrene 10:32, 25 August 2005 (UTC)[reply

]

August 24

• Qinghai-Tibet Railway is now the highest railway in the world. The railway is expected to open later in 2005. (Xinhua)

August 23

• major airline accident in August, 2005. (Will putting this stub on the Front Page bring the attention it deserves ?) -- 199.71.174.100 07:48, 24 August 2005 (UTC) -- revised by Mamawrites 15:25, 24 August 2005 (UTC)[reply
  ]

The August 23

TANS Peru Flight 204 crash in Peru should be added to the news section. --ThomasK

07:48, August 24, 2005 (UTC)

• Would somebody please remove the Lance Armstrong blurb? It's just the same old accusations rehashed. Until it is given further merit (such as a deeper investigation by RACE OFFICIALS), it should not be given any more credibility than it's lost over the last seven years. --
  Kitch 11:04, 23 August 2005 (UTC)[reply
  ]

I'm guessing you haven't read any of the coverage. It's not an accusation, he has actually tested positive. Dan100 (Talk) 16:02, August 24, 2005 (UTC)

August 22

• talk contribs
  13:26, August 22, 2005 (UTC)

August 21

• Thomas Herrion, an American football player for the 49ers, dies a few hours after collapsing in the locker room after Saturday's game against the Denver Broncos. Acetic Acid 22:29, August 21, 2005 (UTC)
  • I'll have to pass on this for the time being. This is a mysterious death of an otherwise non-notable person. And, the wikipage on Herrion has too little material. May reconsider if the news story gets interesting. -- PFHLai 04:36, 2005 August 22 (UTC)

• More than 800,000 people join Pope Benedict XVI for the concluding mass of World Youth Day 2005 in Cologne, Germany. -- 199.71.174.100 09:33, 21 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

August 19

• Former
  civil war in 1993. -- 199.71.174.100 02:22, 20 August 2005 (UTC)[reply
  ]
  • Thank you, Admin:BanyanTree, for posting this item and updating the WYD item so quickly. -- 199.71.174.100 02:57, 20 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I propose to revise this item currently on ITN:

• The World Youth Day opens in Cologne, Germany. One million Catholic youths are expected to attend as Pope Benedict XVI undertakes his first apostolic journey.

to

• inauguration
  in April.

WYD2005 is now halfway through the programme. Words like 'opens', 'are expected to attend' no longer apply. -- 199.71.174.100 08:19, 19 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Updated. - BanyanTree 03:08, 20 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Then removed with the Edit Summary: trim bottom to balance main page [1]. sigh .... Maybe the item about the space record should be dumped instead ? World Youth Day is still ongoing. -- 199.71.174.100 22:33, 20 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Thanks, Admin: Violetriga, for switching the blurb on WYD2005 back onto ITN. I was just being whiney.... didn't really expect to see this. Thank you. -- 199.71.174.100 23:23, 20 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Former British Northern Ireland Secretary Mo Mowlam, dies following a fall. Tonywalton  | Talk 14:41, 19 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Please note that a criterion relating to obituaries has been added after discussion at
  Template talk:In the news#Obituaries. - BanyanTree 03:08, 20 August 2005 (UTC)[reply
  ]

• The
  Polisario Front in Western Sahara frees its last 404 prisoners of war, many held for almost two decades, in a bid to end an armed conflict with Morocco that has stagnated since a ceasefire in 1991. -- 199.71.174.100 06:23, 19 August 2005 (UTC)[reply
  ]
  • Thank you, Admin: Curps, for posting this so quickly. I tend to agree with you on the BTK item. I was looking for an update for ITN for the sake of an update. And in the words of Admin:PFHLai below, it's "a little too much of a local/domestic news item to me." -- 199.71.174.100 06:38, 19 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

August 18

• The
  BTK Killer was just sentenced to 10 consecutive life terms. Ahseaton 20:41, 18 August 2005 (UTC)[reply
  ]
  • How about this in present tense: The
    BTK killer receives 10 consecutive life sentences for murders committed between 1974 and 1991. -- 199.71.174.100 05:56, 19 August 2005 (UTC)[reply
    ]
    • The arrest of the BTK killer was very newsworthy. His sentencing was not particularly newsworthy, as it was inevitable that he would get the maximum possible sentence. There was drama as family members read victim impact statements in court, but that's not really hard news. -- Curps 06:32, 19 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

August 17

• Frère Roger, founder and prior of the Taizé Community
  , is stabbed to death during an evening prayer service Tuesday night.

(Note: I know this really happened on August 16, but news of his death didn't spread until today.) Acetic Acid 01:46, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

• Incumbent
  2005 presidential election are deemed ineligible by the Presidential Elections Committee. -- 199.71.174.100 23:46, 17 August 2005 (UTC) -- rewritten by 199.71.174.100 04:13, 18 August 2005 (UTC)[reply
  ]
  • Thanks for posting, Admin:Pharos. I decided to rewrite the blurb, 'coz SR Nathan didn't really "win" the election that never took place. -- 199.71.174.100 04:17, 18 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • This item was removed from ITN by
      Singapore presidential election, 2005, IMO, is ITN-worthy and hardly "below threshold for main page". -- 199.71.174.100 07:49, 18 August 2005 (UTC)[reply
      ]
      • Well there are two possibly notable things about the new Governor General of Canada: she's the first black Governor General in Canadian history, and there's a bit of a brouhaha over whether she once was (or still is) a supporter of
        Quebec sovereignty during the 1995 Quebec referendum. A routine appointment of a new Governor General of Canada probably would not be newsworthy, and on a worldwide basis perhaps even this appointment was not so newsworthy. -- Curps 09:03, 18 August 2005 (UTC)[reply
        ]
        • Hmmm... Getting a new head of state in a prominent English-speaking nation like Canada and Singapore is not noteworthy enough to be mentioned In The News in English Wikipedia ? This just sounds odd. ..... BTW, the brouhaha about Jean, as I recall, came out after her blurb got posted on ITN. -- 199.71.174.100 05:52, 19 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
          • Actually, I personally wouldn't have included the Governor-General appointment, it was of interest only to Canadians. Maybe it was a slow news day at the time. This time around we had a plane crash and the Israeli Gaza pullout happening and the pope's first foreign visit, and I think conserving space on the main page was sufficient reason to pull the Singapore president story. And at least the Canadian Governor-General was newly appointed to the office... the Singapore president was just the same guy remaining in office as before. Nothing new to take note of there. -- Curps 06:32, 19 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

August 16

• record for the most days spent in space, after spending almost 748 days over a 20-year career. -- 199.71.174.100 23:55, 17 August 2005 (UTC)[reply
  ]
  • Ooh, I like that one. Posting now. --Golbez 01:49, August 18, 2005 (UTC)
    • Thank you for posting, Admin:Golbez. Don't you like my other suggestion about Singapore ? -- 199.71.174.100 04:05, 18 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• A
  magnitude 7.2 earthquake strikes off the coast of Miyagi, Japan
  and is felt more than 200 miles away. Over 60 people have been reported injured.
  • I'm not sure about what images there could be for this (as none have been uploaded and I don't know what ones out there might fall under the GFDL). A flag might work, since I know how bad maps are when it comes to the front page. But just in case, I have the map I used for the 2005 Miyagi earthquake article.
  • Alternatively, for the last sentence, you could use, "No deaths have been reported." or simply leave it out.

-Nameneko 22:33, 17 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• The World Youth Day in Cologne, Germany, has opened. One million Catholic youths are expected, and Pope Benedict XVI undertakes his first apostolic journey.

• A West Caribbean Airways aeroplane, carrying 152 passengers on board, crashed in a mountainous region in Venezuela between the hours of 3am and 3.45am on the morning of Tuesday the 16th of August, 2005. Article link:
  West Caribbean Airways plane crash
  --treff89 23:47, 16 August 2005 (AEDST)
  • Alternatively
    West Caribbean Airways plane crash 16 August 2005. They need merging anyhow. Spliced 13:29, 16 August 2005 (UTC)[reply
    ]
    • Articles merged into the former. I also added content, sections, and an easy-to-understand timeline. --treff89 23:57, 16 August 2005 (AEDST)

August 15

• A peace treaty between the Free Aceh Movement and the Indonesian government is signed in Helsinki, Finland, ending a nearly three-decade old conflict in the Aceh region on Sumatra. -- 199.71.174.100 06:40, 16 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks, Admin: Pharos, for your speedy posting. -- 199.71.174.100 06:54, 16 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • I'm not "Admin:Pharos", just humble User:Pharos with mop and bucket privileges. Why don't you register an account too?--Pharos 07:01, 16 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      • Well, I'm quite content with what I can do already. Any more tools may make me a wiki-addict .... :-) Thanks, anyways. -- 199.71.174.100 07:09, 16 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

August 14

• Should it be mentioned that evidence suggests massive decompression incapacitating the pilot and captain of
  Kitch 03:09, 15 August 2005 (UTC)[reply
  ]

August 13

• Former Prime Minister of New Zealand, David Lange, dies. Lange was the chief architect and champion of New Zealand's anti-nuclear legislation that has banned nuclear ships from its ports since 1984. Ben Arnold 00:26, 14 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

David Lange wasn't just a New Zealand Prime Minister. He presided over the most intensive liberal reforms in modern New Zealand history: floating the exchange rate, large-scale state asset sales, trade liberalisation, homosexual law reform, constitution act, bill of rights act. The nuclear-free legislation led to the break-down of the ANZUS treaty and strained relations with the US, as well as forging a new New Zealand identity as a pacifist nation. His politics, wit and charm caused him to be recognised as a world statesman, not just a New Zealand politician. It is, I think, universally recognised that no subsequent Prime Minister has matched him in popularity and presence. If ever the death of New Zealand politician was worth mentioning on the front page of Wikipedia, it's now. Ben Arnold 02:13, 14 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

News articles: [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] and many others

August 12

• Foreign Minister Lakshman Kadirgamar is shot dead by a sniper in Colombo. -- 199.71.174.100 21:29, 12 August 2005 (UTC)[reply
  ]

August 11

• Northern Giant Mouse Lemur, a new species of lemur, is discovered in Madagascar. -- 199.71.174.100 03:55, 12 August 2005 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Can someone confirm why that photo is PD? The info on the image page is in German and I'm having trouble understanding it.--Pharos 04:05, 12 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • OK, from what I can make out, the photo came with the press release and is to be used only in connection with the material of the press release (meaning a report of the discovery presumably). So the photo is not PD, and shouldn't even be on Commons. We could upload it here as fair use, but fair use images don't really go on the Main Page. Again, if I'm misunderstanding the info, someone with actual knowledge of German please correct me.--Pharos 04:16, 12 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oh, sorry, I assumed all pictures from Wikimedia Commons are good enough. Please don't use it, then. Thanks for your attention. -- 199.71.174.100 04:17, 12 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Actually it seems two new species were discovered- the other was
    Goodman's Mouse Lemur, which I've just written a tiny stub on. But this was announced a couple of days ago already- it might be a bit late to put it at the top of the news.--Pharos 05:28, 12 August 2005 (UTC)[reply
    ]

• George Hyatte, accused of shooting a corrections officer to death, are captured at a motel in Columbus, Ohio. --Newguineafan
  18:52, August 11, 2005 (UTC)
  • Not notable enough, sorry. --Golbez 19:10, August 11, 2005 (UTC)
    • Ditto for Jack Abramoff ? If Tom DeLay also gets indicted, then it might be important enough for ITN. -- 199.71.174.100 04:09, 12 August 2005 (UTC) BTW, are Image:NonFreeImageRemoved.svg and Image:HyatteFront.jpg, the 2 pics on the right, copyright infringements ? They came from Fox news. -- 199.71.174.100 04:12, 12 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      • Personally I would not have said it's notable enough, but I don't like removing additions other people make unless it's horribly irrelevant (like if it were, say, Terrell Owens being thrown out of training camp). --Golbez 04:26, August 12, 2005 (UTC)
        • I see. Hopefully, the Abramoff item would be the first item to come off ITN when there is a new addition. Thanks. -- 199.71.174.100 04:37, 12 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

100px|right|Al-Qaeda places a Bounty on Kofi Annan's head

• Latest news! Al-Qaeda places a bounty on Kofi Annan's head! - Ta bu shi da yu 07:15, 11 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • We need an updated article,
    WP:-) won't count. Okay ? -- PFHLai
    07:57, 2005 August 11 (UTC)

August 8

• Mayor Alaa al-Tamimi of Baghdad, Iraq was removed from office by about 120 gunmen. -- 199.71.174.100 05:29, 11 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Over the weekend, a gang of thieves stole 150 million
  largest known bank robberies
  .
  • Ya know, I think I'll just post that. I love the shuttle pic, tho, so that will stay for now. --Golbez 19:37, August 9, 2005 (UTC)
    • Might be safe to say it is the world's second biggest robbery - the biggest appears to be Knightsbridge Security Deposit robbery at $68-72m. -- Solipsist 20:34, 9 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Japanese politics
  into great uncertainty.
  • Removed the Koizumi image, assuming that Jenning's likeness should take that spot. Aconnelly 06:23, 8 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Please update an article about this event. I'm not sure what the 'main article' should be, but if the LDP is really likely to split in two, that might be it.--Pharos 06:27, 8 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      • I created the election article (linked to through the snap election internal link). I think that's preferable, because there is still a lot of uncertainty as to what will happen to the LDP rebels.
        • OK, thanks for that quick article on the new election. I added the item but had to shorten it a bit.--Pharos 08:05, 8 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

August 7

• Kitch 03:50, 8 August 2005 (UTC)[reply
  ]
  • I was trying to update the page at the same time as Kitch, but the post there now is superior to mine. I agree that this death is worthy of a front news spot. T-mccool 03:55, August 8, 2005 (UTC)
  • I just added it, but I would prefer a better image. The image on the template is limited to 100px so the main page looks ok on 800x600 monitors. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 04:07, 8 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • I uploaded a new version of Image:Peterjenningspic.jpg from abcnews.com to use. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 04:22, 8 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      • I've now put a PD image up instead.--Pharos 04:54, 8 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Benjamin Netanyahu in a {fairuse} (?) photo.

• planned Israeli withdrawal from the Gaza Strip. Deputy Prime Minister Ehud Olmert is appointed to succeed him. -- 199.71.174.100 19:49, 7 August 2005 (UTC)[reply
  ]

• Done, though I avoided the fair use pic in favor a flag as they seem to have become more controversial on the front page. - BanyanTree 20:16, 7 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Thanks for posting so quickly, Admin:BanyanTree. Here's pic of Ehud Olmert from W.Commons. Maybe useful. -- 199.71.174.100 20:22, 7 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I've found and put up a PD photo of Netanyahu.--Pharos 03:56, 8 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

August 5

• The submarine is at the surface now and the crew is safe, so please update. Ornil 03:47, 7 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Done. (Not entirely by me.) -- PFHLai 08:55, 2005 August 7 (UTC)

• Jewish Israeli terrorist kills 4 Arab-Israeli citizens, which include two muslim girls and two Christian Arabs men. here is one of numerous links in the news.

• There needs to be a Wikipedia article with the updated information for it to go on ITN. See the guidelines linked above. - BanyanTree 01:25, 6 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Would
  Kamchatka ? -- 199.71.174.100 18:38, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply
  ]

August 4

File:Mjean.jpg

• Journalist Michaëlle Jean is announced as the next Governor General of Canada, set to replace Adrienne Clarkson on September 27, 2005. --142.242.2.248 14:25, 4 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note also that Jean will be the first
    Black Canadian GG. Bearcat 17:25, 4 August 2005 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • That's gotta be some major news then. I guess Martin wanted a
    Francophone
    in order to keep support for the liberals in Quebec. Front Page defintly
    • It's tradition to alternate between English-Canadian and French-Canadian, so I wouldn't read too much into that.
  • Posted. --Golbez 19:59, August 4, 2005 (UTC)
    • Well, its gotta be good for
      election

August 1

• Currently on the MainPage: The death in a helicopter crash of Sudanese Vice-President John Garang, a central figure in the recent peace deal ending the Second Sudanese Civil War, sparks deadly rioting in Khartoum.

Do we know if it's really a helicopter ? The John Garang article says "The statements by Uganda that Garang was traveling in a helicopter and by Sudan that he was in a plane could not be immediately reconciled." Perhaps we should only post "The death of Sudanese Vice-President John Garang ...", removing the words "in a helicopter crash". -- 199.71.174.100 21:57, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Removed as suggested. Thanks. -- PFHLai 07:53, 2005 August 2 (UTC)

• George Bush forces through the appointment of John Bolton as US ambassador to the United Nations. Bolton was put up for nomination five months ago, but argument and debate prevented Bolton from winning the job. Critics say Bolton verbally abused employees, and modified intelligence to fit his conservative agenda. Bolton also came under fire for comments he made about the UN, saying that US national interest is the only interest that matters in the world, and that the UN works only when the US wants it to. BBC News T-mccool
  • If we put this up, I think something like: "
    Ambassador to the UN until January 2007." would be more appropriate. The details, of course, go in the article.--Pharos 19:43, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply
    ]
    • I'm not yet an expert at submitting news stories, obviously your judgement would be better. I wanted to submit this article, however, because it seemed like a significant development to a somewhat long-term argument that may have wide-reaching consequences. T-mccool
      • Maybe the Bolton story should replace the trans-Neptunian object story? That's getting to be a little bit old right now, and besides, the Bolton appointment is going to spark quite a controversy on this side of the
        pond. --Titoxd 23:08, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply
        ]
        • On this side of the
          pond ? Hmmm... how did the Bolton appointment affect Greenland, Iceland, Canada, Mexico, Cuba, Jamaica ..... ? Would the UN ambassadors from other countries care ? IMO, this appointment seems a little too much of a local/domestic news item to me. If something shocking develops, such as Congress "retaliates" with some unprecedented moves, this may be ITN-worthy. Nothing like that yet. I'd wait. -- PFHLai
          07:53, 2005 August 2 (UTC)

• Rafael Palmeiro, who had categorically denied ever having used steroids at a U.S. House hearing in March 2005, receives a 10-day suspension for violating Major League Baseball's steroids policy. (Source: AP/Yahoo!)–Dale Arnett 18:46, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • An American baseball player gets a ten day vacation with pay. This is not news. --Golbez 18:50, August 1, 2005 (UTC)
    • Actually, Golbez, it's not a vacation with pay. Palmeiro stands to lose $163,934.42 of salary during the 10-day suspension. This is news indeed, as he was one of the high profile baseball players who went to the US Congress to discuss the steroid issue a few months ago. His anti-steroid stance is well known. However, I'd only suggest this for ITN on a slow news day. Ditto for the Bolton story. -- 199.71.174.100 20:07, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      • Bolton is actual news (though perhaps not actual enough to bump any of the stories currently there). Palmeiro is not. OK, so someone gets an unpaid 10 day vacation for taking steroids. What a tremendous punishment. This is not important news, even if it does contradict congressional testimony. If he were indicted for lying to Congress, maybe, and even then. --Golbez 20:22, August 1, 2005 (UTC)
        • I agree. 10 days is hardly much of a punishment. Maybe it's good for Palmeiro to take the time off. His
          Template talk:In the news#Rafael Palmeiro.) Otherwise, he's just another liar. The current top news according to AP Sports has to stay off ITN today. -- 199.71.174.100 21:02, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply
          ]

• Enlightener 07:38, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply
  ]
  • Posted before me. --Golbez 18:50, August 1, 2005 (UTC)
• A frozen lake has been photographed in a crater on the surface of Mars by the ESA probe Mars Express. (Source: [[7]) Grutness...wha? 03:22, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's a beautiful photo, but as far as I can tell this isn't really groundbreaking scientific news. Astronomers have long known about water ice on the Martian surface; there's even a water icecap at the Martian north pole.--Pharos 03:24, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'm also unsure about what is new about this as ice is well documented on Mars. Given that there is already an extraplanetary item on ITN, the newsworthiness of a second should be obvious. - BanyanTree 04:45, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]