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May 31

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  • 2021 arrests of Hong Kong pro-democracy primaries participants
    • The court proceedings against 47 pro-democracy activists accused of subversion will continue on July 8. After being presented with evidence, the defendants will be able to enter a plea before the case is moved to the High Court. Most of the activists have been denied bail recently, with the latest case being that of Claudia Mo, who was denied bail due to her WhatsApp messages with foreign journalists. (Reuters)
  • Fabio and Nicola Riva, the former owners of the Ilva steelworks in Taranto, Italy, are sentenced to 22 and 20 years in jail respectively for allowing their company to discharge harmful pollution. The carcinogenic dioxins and mineral particles discharged by the steelworks caused an increase in cancers in the city of Taranto. Several other people are also sentenced, including former President of Apulia Nichi Vendola, who was sentenced to 3.5 years in prison. (Reuters)
  • terrorist organization. While the agency did not state where he was captured, he was believed to be residing in Kenya, where a local court on May 6 blocked Turkey's extradition request for him. (Al Jazeera English)
  • Corleonesi Mafia hitman Giovanni Brusca is released from prison after serving his 25-year sentence. He was convicted for his role in the Capaci bombing, which killed anti-Mafia magistrate Giovanni Falcone alongside four other people. His release is condemned by the leaders of the ruling Italian Democratic Party and the right-wing Lega Nord. (Al Jazeera English)

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May 30

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Sports


(Posted) RD: Phil Lombardi

Article: Phil Lombardi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Santa Clarita Valley Signal
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Only reported today (May 30); died on May 20. —Bloom6132 (talk) 15:59, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

(Attention needed) RD: Jason Dupasquier

Article: Jason Dupasquier (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, CNN, NBC News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
Dimmi!!! 04:44, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply
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(Posted) RD: Patrick Sky

Article: Patrick Sky (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Rolling Stone; New Musical Express
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Only reported today (May 30); died on May 27. —Bloom6132 (talk) 00:47, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply

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Support as that was the only problem in the article. Uses x (talkcontribs) 08:12, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: P. W. T. Simanjuntak

Article: P. W. T. Simanjuntak (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see

Nominator's comments: The antipope of the Batak Christian Protestant Church. Took over the church with the government's assistance and illegitimately led the church for six years. His leadership was disputed by S. A. E. Nababan, who died three weeks ago and was also posted here. Also a member of parliament for four years. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 06:48, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

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Indianapolis 500

Proposed image
Article: 2021 Indianapolis 500 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In motorsports, Hélio Castroneves (pictured) wins the Indianapolis 500 (Post)
News source(s): ESPN NPR
Credits:

Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on
-- Calidum 01:12, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
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I updated the article

Calidum:, @HumanBodyPiloter5:. Minerva (talk to me) 19:45, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
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(Posted) RD: Mythili Sivaraman

Article: Mythili Sivaraman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): India Today
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian social justice activist and trade union leader. Article should be ready for homepage / RD soon. Working on some edits. Edits done. Article has shaped into a decent C-class biography and meets hygiene expectations for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 23:36, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

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May 29

Arts and culture

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

International relations

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  • A car explodes outside an apartment block in Arad, Romania. The driver, Ioan Crișan, a well-known fish farmer and businessman, was killed, and several windows were shattered. The authorities suspect foul play. (G4 Media)
  • A major Austrian Muslim organization files a lawsuit against the government for publishing a map on Thursday listing the location of the country's mosques and Islamic associations, saying it "represents an unprecedented crossing of boundaries". The Islamic Religious Community in Austria, the Turkish Foreign Ministry, and members of the ruling Green Party have also criticized the map's publication. (DW)

Politics and elections

Science and technology

  • A team at
    magnetic monopoles-like quasi-particles. Magnetic force microscopy was then used to visualize the magnetic charges present on the device, allowing the team to track the movement of the single-pole magnets across the 3D structure. (Phys.org)

Sports


(Posted Gwen) RD: Gwen Shamblin Lara/Joe Lara

Articles: Gwen Shamblin Lara (talk · history · tag) and Joe Lara (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: This is an odd one - a private plane with seven people crashed into a lake, with all seven dead. It is very unlikely that the plane crash will have an article, but we have two notable people (these two, wife and husband, who owned the plane). I do not think either raises to a blurb (this isn't Kobe Byrant) but they both qualify for RD so maybe this could be a "Gwen Shamblin & Joe Lara" entry on RD? I dunno. Masem (t) 04:59, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

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RD: B. J. Thomas

Article: B. J. Thomas (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Rolling Stone
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Needs a little sourcing work before it is ready. Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 02:40, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

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(Posted) RD: Gavin MacLeod

Article: Gavin MacLeod (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see

Nominator's comments: Needs just a little sourcing work and it will be ready. Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 02:32, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

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  • Support - Last lift to the Lido Deck.— Preceding unsigned comment added by CoatCheck (talkcontribs) 03:13, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - References have been added, unsourced material removed, and poor quality sources have been replaced with reliable sources.--Tdl1060 (talk) 23:02, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Looks alright --Vacant0 (talk) 09:58, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Filmography missing Is it the new norm to split off an existing unsourced filmography to seemingly fast track an ITN nom? Is this in the reader's best interest?—Bagumba (talk) 11:07, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Aside from the filmography discussion, the first paragraph's first sentences are now tagged, as they were not supported by the lone citation at the end of that paragraph. I'm also wary of the large paragraph beginning "MacLeod's breakout role as Murray Slaughter ..." which also has only one citation at the end, itself a dead url.—Bagumba (talk) 11:19, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I've struck my oppose based on eyeballing the updates.—Bagumba (talk) 05:48, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Splitting off a completely unsourced filmography to create a
    completely unsourced new article, purely to push an ITN nomination is not acceptable. It should be merged back and sourced. Black Kite (talk) 11:26, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • 👍 The important thing, Black Kite, is that Tdl1060 receives no credit whatsoever for this item, due to their obvious gaming with disingenuous edit summaries, creating a completely unsourced article—and calling that merely "problematic"—and then moving the material back when all the work's been done for them under the guise of doing everyone else a favour. ——Serial 10:59, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Serial Number 54129: it wasn't the filmography that they called "problematic". It was another paragraph that I flagged, which they did resolve and source.—Bagumba (talk) 16:15, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Amakuru: The lead has been reworded so not to include anything that is not sourced in the body, and the unattributed quote regarding his divorce has been removed.--Tdl1060 (talk) 23:48, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    @
    assume good faith regarding the filmography, that you thought that would be a legitimate thing to do... Obviously now you know that it's frowned upon to do things like that to get an ITN! I'm therefore crediting you as an updater. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 09:58, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply
    ]
Way to enable Tdl1060's fucking gaming, Amakuru. ——Serial 10:17, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Serial Number 54129: I don't think there was any gaming going on. This isn't the first time I've seen editors simply remove uncited text from articles when that issue is raised at ITN/C, and I regard it as an innocent error made by newcomers to ITN rather than intentional deception. In this case, Tdl admitted their mistake when it was raised, immediately put the section back with appropriate citations, and then worked to resolve all the other issues that had been raised with the article. Bagumba also queried your account of their deception in reply to you above. Perhaps I'm being naive, but IMHO a little good faith on your part wouldn't go amiss here. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 10:23, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I added nearly 80 fucking citaions, without which you wouldn't have been able to post the fucking thing, and you're lecturing me about good faith? Bullshit. ——Serial 10:59, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Well I'll credit you too then... I hadn't noticed your contributions on the split-then-merged-back page, that's obviously good work. But doesn't mean that Tdl's actions weren't themselves done in good faith. It's not like it makes a massive difference to anything, but things run smoother if we don't get at each other's throats all the time. Obviously if Tdl does something like this again, I'll think differently, but for now I think we should just move on.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:10, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
They didn't add their own name as an updater, and they don't seem to be involved in
WP:WIKICUP or anything where one might be wary of an ulterior motive, so I'm inclined to think they had good intentions. They did made a lot of other contributions to the page after the filmography was restored.—Bagumba (talk) 10:39, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply
]

(Posted) RD: Munirathna Anandakrishnan

Article: Munirathna Anandakrishnan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former head of Anna University Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:47, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

(Posted) RD: Cornelius Sim

Article: Cornelius Sim (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Vatican News; Crux; Herald Malaysia
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 21:56, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

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(Posted) 2021 UEFA Champions League Final

Proposed image
Article: 
final.
News source(s): ESPN

Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on
WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 20:59, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

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*Oppose No prose summary of the match. P-K3 (talk) 00:37, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nice one TRM! P-K3 (talk) 12:30, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

May 28

Armed conflicts and attacks

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(Posted) RD: Mark Eaton

Article: Mark Eaton (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Official NBA statement
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: NBA player, spent his 11 year career with the Utah Jazz. May need some sourcing work. KingOfAllThings (thou shalt chatter!) 19:00, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

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(Posted) Discovery of mass graves in Canada

Proposed image
Kamloops Indian Residential School circa 1930
Article: Kamloops Indian Residential School (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A mass grave containing the remains of 215 children is found on the grounds of the Kamloops Indian Residential School, which was a part of the Canadian Indian residential school system from 1893 to 1969. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A mass grave containing the remains of 215 children is found on the grounds of the Kamloops Indian Residential School, which was a part of the Canadian Indian residential school system from 1893 to 1969.
Alternative blurb II: ​ A mass grave containing the remains of 215 children is found at Kamloops Indian Residential School, part of the Canadian Indian residential school system in 1893-1969.
News source(s): NYT, CBC, The Washington Post, UPI, Reuters, BBC
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Major and uncommon discovery at what once was the largest residential school in Canada. Article was short, but recently expanded. 

talk) 🍁 00:15, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
]

Support alt per Bagumba. The target article in that has enough information regarding the update. Uses x (talkcontribs) 06:10, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt blurb with FA Canadian Indian residential school system as the target. The actual school page is currently too underdeveloped to provide enough context on the bodies. Perfect opportunity to showcase FA related to news item.—Bagumba (talk) 05:25, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This is an interesting story documenting a major discovery. I also prefer the alternative blurb.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:05, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt per above Kingsif (talk) 09:28, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt Looks good to go. Hanamanteo (talk) 09:44, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt nice article. Harrowing. Should it be in the grounds? ——Serial 10:42, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – Culturally and historically significant. Prefer Alt2, offered above as a slightly less prolix choice. – Sca (talk) 12:22, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
PS: – The blurry, horizontal pic. shown is subpar and doesn't really illustrate the story. – Sca (talk) 12:27, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think the cropped version with less of the ground works ok for tablets and laptops, and have posted it.—Bagumba (talk) 16:10, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Namibia Genocide

Article: 
Herero and Namaqua genocide, and offers reparations to the descendants of the survivors in Namibia.
News source(s): BBC, CNN, Washington Post, DW, AP, dpa, Reuters

Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: It's a lengthy article, but for such a long article it's actually fairly close to ITN quality. Hopefully this nomination and today's events will bring eyes to the article to get it fixed up. NorthernFalcon (talk) 16:05, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Conditonal support The update needs to be much longer than the 1 line addition to the lead that isn't even expanded in the main text. Someone with knowledge about the genocide would also need to give the okay that the information is correct, as it mostly relies on book references so I can't fact-check the information. I think this can be differentiated from Joe Biden recognising the Armenian Genocide from a month ago, which didn't get posted, as Germany was at least involved in the region, and because there's a €1.1 billion reparation so it's not just politicians talking. Uses x (talkcontribs) 16:43, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – in principle, pending expansion of update. Widely covered, historically significant. – Sca (talk) 22:32, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment article has been updated. I also altered the blurb slightly. NorthernFalcon (talk) 04:15, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Significant recognition and reparation by a nation culpable in a colonial genocide. Major event. Wizardoftheyear (talk) 22:09, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Conditional support This is an important event & the article looks good for the most part, but it has a “verification needed” tag, a “citation needed” tag & a “dubious” tag that need to be taken care of. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 06:25, 30 May 2021 (UTC) Support It looks like the article is now good enough to post. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 21:55, 2 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, added two alt blurbs Support; Prefer if we say reparations. Maybe we could mention Namibia? -TenorTwelve (talk) 00:08, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment I think mentioning Namibia is important, but Germany doesn't consider the financial aid to be reparations (though the financial aid certainly seems like reparations), so I'm not sure if it should be called reparations (what's most important is what it's being called reliable sources). Blaylockjam10 (talk) 21:57, 2 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose There are several tags in the article. Hanamanteo (talk) 07:38, 2 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

May 27

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

  • In Kebbi State, Nigeria, 45 people are found dead following the sinking of a boat yesterday. More than 100 others are still missing. (Al Jazeera)
  • A boat crash off the coast of Florida leaves two dead. Eight others have been rescued. The boat had departed from Cuba on May 23. (WPLG-TV)

Health and environment

International relations

Law and crime

  • 2017 Barcelona attacks
    • The National Audience court sentences three members of the jihadist organization which committed a series of 4 terrorist attacks across southern Catalonia in 2017. Two of the accused are sentenced to 53 and 46 years in prison, and the third is sentenced to eight years in prison for the crime of collaboration. The three accused are also banned from entering the town of Alcanar, where they prepared the attacks. (La Vanguardia)
  • Bill Cosby sexual assault cases
  • Muhammad Rizieq Shihab, the founder of the Indonesian hardline Islamist group Islamic Defenders Front, is sentenced to eight months in prison for holding several mass events in violation of Indonesia's COVID-19 regulations, and is fined Rp 20 million (US$1,400) for a specific event held at an Islamic boarding school in West Java. (Reuters)

Politics and elections


(Posted) RD: Lois Ehlert

Article: Lois Ehlert (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Lois Ehlert
Credits:

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Death announced on this date. Author and illustrator of children's books. Article requires some work. If someone wants to get working on the edits before me, please go ahead. Else, I will pick this up later in the day. Edits, sourcing and expansion done. Article has shaped into a good C-class biography. Meets hygiene expectations for homepage / RD. Sad week for children's literature. First Eric Carle and now, Ms Ehlert. RIP. Ktin (talk) 20:44, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

(Posted) Nigeria boat accident

Nominator's comments: The previous nomination was rejection only the basis of no article created. I have created an article; however it may require expansion and referencing clean-up, help very welcome. Abcmaxx (talk) 17:38, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • The article needs lots of work, but tentative support if fixed. Nevertheless, this nom should be moved to the day it happened. --Tone 17:40, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Done Uses x (talkcontribs) 17:56, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on principle but oppose on quality. The article needs to be longer than two sentences, but I do appreciate the editor who started the article. NorthernFalcon (talk) 05:25, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality the article is 378 characters long, it's a micro-stub. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:24, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment A stub can be of good quality, lots reliable sources on an area of the world that's difficult to find credible news articles for. What else would you expect to be written in this matter? We may never get any more information on this nor an aftermath. Abcmaxx (talk) 23:47, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Please work on expanding the article. This would be a suitable item if the article had more information. Jehochman Talk 00:28, 2 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Abcmaxx The point of ITN is to highlight good quality articles and give people looking at the front page of Wikipedia something to read, not to just post every article written about something in the news. There's literally only three lines to read in this, and posting would require pushing off articles that are actually comprehensive (right now, that'd be this stub replacing a blurb with both a featured article and a B-class article). Uses x (talkcontribs) 12:37, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@
2021 Mali coup d'état when the news broke. No article could be found so I created one, a short stub to begin with. Other users expanded it thanks to the nomination proposal so much so it was posted in the end. Whilst I understand your point this article could still follow the same route. Even a stub nomination can be of benefit to everybody Abcmaxx (talk) 14:01, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply
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@Abcmaxx I appreciate that you nominated this - it's certainly significant enough to get posted, it's just that there's not enough information out there to write an article about it. I couldn't find anything myself. Uses x (talkcontribs) 15:36, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Uses x: without wanting to sound derogatory what else is there to be added? The cause and effect of this tragedy is fairly simple. Sadly in that part of the world there are minimal health and safety laws, poor conditions of transport, weak enforcement, inadequate licencing regulations etc. In reality there could be little to no aftermath other than a public outcry and sadness. Abcmaxx (talk) 20:28, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Abcmaxx: what else is there to be added - nothing. If that's all the information out there it doesn't meet the quality bar for me, and as for significance this kind of thing isn't new, it should've been easy to spot (everyone knows about overloading boats), and it'll happen again. there could be little to no aftermath other than a public outcry and sadness - my view is that ITN is for highlighting quality articles, and that's it. Not bringing attention to this kind of negligence or injustice for the sake of it - there needs to be a quality article behind it. Uses x (talkcontribs) 21:03, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Uses x: Quality not quantity though. There's plenty of quality in this article, although not much quantity. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:43, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support There has been an expansion by User:NorthernFalcon. I think there is enough there to post now.P-K3 (talk) 17:13, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Most of what's currently there is just filler. There needs to be more information about the actual event. Uses x (talkcontribs) 17:22, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    As well as that, "the National Inland Waterways Authority (NIWA) gave 168 persons as the estimated figure of casualties in the last one year" [1]. This kind of thing isn't new. Uses x (talkcontribs) 20:40, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Actually in contrast to Uses X, given that what happened was that the boat was overloaded with passengers and broke in two, I think what happened at the accident is all that is needed - the response section - the need for better safety measures in the future, is absolutely appropriate for the expansion here and makes this sufficient. --Masem (t) 17:25, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    If the change in safety measures is a vital part of the story then the blurb needs to include it. Right now, the summary given in the blurb is that the accident is the only notable part of the article. Uses x (talkcontribs) 17:47, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    It's not like the safety measures are going to happen overnight. Airplane crashes lead to similar changes but it takes time to implement. The news story is still the boat sinking and loss of life, there's just not much more about the details that need to be explained. Too many people were put on beyond the rated limit. Not every disaster needs an in-depth analysis of the cause-and-effect. Similar to the above Iran navy vessel story. --Masem (t) 17:53, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    It's not like the safety measures are going to happen overnight It's Nigeria, so they're most likely not going to happen at all. As I said, filler. Uses x (talkcontribs) 20:33, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support If it's not too late and condolences to the victims' families. Cheers, 70.23.250.93 (talk) 18:45, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Decent length. Citation coverage is good (try to avoid clusters). Joofjoof (talk) 22:29, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted I put it at the top of the list so it gets equal exposure. This might be irregular. So what? The news was a little slow arriving but it is informative for the reader and helps provide a better view of world events. Jehochman Talk 23:08, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    @Jehochman "ITN items are in a bulleted list, ordered chronologically by date of occurrence", no exceptions. Bait30 made the WP:ERRORS request so that's been fixed. Uses x (talkcontribs) 23:36, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I knew someone would complain. I thought it justifiable per IAR, myself. P-K3 (talk) 23:40, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    It's fifth on a list of up to six, so it will hopefully remain for at least a few days. Jehochman Talk 23:48, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Robbie McCauley

Article: Robbie McCauley (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: African-American playwright. Substantial entry, working on making sure it’s fully referenced. Innisfree987 (talk) 20:37, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

  • Support Can post this on MainPage after more reviews by other wikieditors. --PFHLai (talk) 09:56, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted  — Amakuru (talk) 10:31, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: John Hodge (engineer)

Article: John Hodge (engineer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Houston Chronicle
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Death announced on this date. Uses x (talkcontribs) 20:39, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

(Posted) RD: Kees de Jager

Article: Kees de Jager (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Algemeen Dagblad (in Dutch)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Dutch astronomer, recently turned 100. Some citation work needed, which I will get on to today, but broadly looks OK.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:44, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

(Posted) RD: Foster Friess

Article: Foster Friess (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Buckrail
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Prominent donor to the Republican Party in the US. Looks like a comprehensive and well-cited article already, so probably not much work needed on this one.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:37, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

  • Support – corrected one minor chronological inaccuracy as to his cancer diagnosis, but other than that, it looks like it meets the minimum requirements. —Bloom6132 (talk) 12:00, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Carla Fracci

Article: Carla Fracci (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: One of the leading ballerinas of the 20th century. There was some article, especially a gorgeous image, and since yesterday, we have worked on it. I just ran into an edit conflict so have time to nominate. More detail will come I bet, and please help. Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:49, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

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(Posted) RD: Harvey Schlossberg

Article: Harvey Schlossberg (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Only reported today (May 27); died on May 21. —Bloom6132 (talk) 02:28, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

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(Posted) RD: Llew Smith

Article: Llew Smith (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former Wales MP, already expanded significantly by me in April 2020. PotentPotables (talk) 14:54, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

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May 26

Business and economy

  • cryptocurrency mining will be banned in the country until September 22, blaming illegal mining for causing a recent series of power outages. (Al Jazeera)

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Science and technology

Sports


(Posted) RD: Murray Dowey

Article: Murray Dowey (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): International Ice Hockey Federation; CBC News; Toronto Star
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.

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  • @Amakuru, Bagumba, Black Kite, and PFHLai: what are your thoughts on this? Does it meet the minimum requirements for ITN? —Bloom6132 (talk) 23:40, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Looks OK for a basic short article, and covers the most important aspect of his life, the 1948 Olympics. Marking as ready and attention needed etc, so hopefully this can be posted shortly.  — Amakuru (talk) 07:16, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted --PFHLai (talk) 11:25, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Syrian presidential election

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Proposed image
Article: 2021 Syrian presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Syria, Bashar al-Assad (pictured) is re-elected as president (Post)
Alternative blurb: Bashar al-Assad is re-elected as president of Syria in a sham election.
Alternative blurb II: Bashar al-Assad is re-elected as president of Syria in a disputed election.
News source(s): Sky
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on
WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: Narrow victory after a hard-fought campaign. Hrodvarsson (talk) 20:25, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
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  • Support ITN/R and the article is satisfactory. Mlb96 (talk) 22:34, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support The article looks ready.--Sakiv (talk) 23:36, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support nomination but strong oppose blurb: blurb make it sound like an ordinary election rather than an attempt to legitimise a dictatorship with very few standard electoral procedures. I would propose adding; "disputed", "contentious", "un-accepted", or "widely discredited". Abcmaxx (talk) 23:43, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support It's ITN/R and the article is fine. The blurb on Vladimir Putin's 2018 re-election is an example that commentary about the legitimacy of the election shouldn't be put in the blurb. There are 2 citation needed tags, but it's just a list of countries so it's not vital information. Uses x (talkcontribs) 00:01, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted --PFHLai (talk) 11:48, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting comment: We should not unquestionably report the results of sham "elections" put on by autocracies in our voice. What about "In Syria, Bashar al-Assad (pictured) is announced to have won re-election as president. Sandstein 12:08, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
How about "is re-erected as president" – ?? ... ;-) — Sca (talk) 12:42, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Based on the comments above I am going to adjust the blurb to try to accurately summarize the content of the article and not create a misimpression (as the current blurb clearly does). Jehochman Talk 14:26, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Well, "that is denounced as illegitimate" seems rather too strong for our own voice, leaving us open to POV criticism. Suggest "that is discredited by critics." – Sca (talk) 14:46, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think I can fix that by saying who the critics are. The reader can decide for themselves what to believe. The article cites a source using the word "denounced" with regard to the US, so let's stick with that. I changed "illegitimate" to "undemocratic" to more closely hew to the source for the EU's statement. Jehochman Talk 16:59, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The new language, that is denounced as undemocratic by the United States and the European Union, works for me. TNX. – Sca (talk) 17:08, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Sca, Jehochman, PFHLai, and Sandstein: Shouldn't we add that the Syrian actual opposition thinks its undemocratic too? After all their voice is probably more important than that of an outsider.Abcmaxx (talk) 17:32, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The present blurb seems forceful enough – altho perhaps there's still something to be said for the more generalized "that is discredited by critics" – maybe expanded a bit as "that is discredited by domestic and foreign critics" – ?? You tell me. – Sca (talk) 17:40, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Can we keep the ITN blurbs short, please? I'd rather people click the link on MainPage and read the article for details. Just a short one indicating that Bashar is back for another "term" is long enough. --PFHLai (talk) 18:44, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment we don't editorialize on elections in blurbs unless we want to include Egypt and Russia as well. Just put it back. He doesn't "claim victory" either. Readers can dig in on the target article and make their own decision. --LaserLegs (talk) 21:48, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • I have to agree: while it is a true statement it is inappropriate editorializing for an ITN item and reflects a very specific world view that ITN should not necessarily be promoting. If the news was some international court case to challenge the election, that would be appropriate, but to add this when we haven't it for, say, Russia's elections is extremely hypocritical and unnecessary. --Masem (t) 22:29, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • It is also editorializing to just say he won the election without further comment. We are not here to whitewash dictators who stage fraudulent elections. The article documents what each country has said. The blurb doesn't have space to list all of them, so we highlight a few of the most significant critics. This is better than an anonymous, "some say the election was undemocratic." That's my reading of the above discussion. Jehochman Talk 23:33, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        • It's not WP's place to classify elections as fair or unfair unless it's determined through evidence and appropriate review processes that an election was deemed unfair. While there's certainly numerous questions about Syria's election process here and the US + EU are absolutely morally right to put these questions forth, that's not WP's issue to try to take a stand on. This is not an issue we should be taken a position on in a brief statement. The article should absolutely cover it, but out of Wikivoice and without comment. --Masem (t) 23:41, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
          I have restored the original blurb. As noted, It is not our place to editorialise.  — Amakuru (talk) 00:05, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
          • To me, it seems like the original blurb editorializes that the election was a normal election that was free and fair. It’s misleading. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 06:34, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
          • This is a grave error. It is not our job to serve up propaganda put out by the Syrian government. It is very important to report, according to the reliable sources that appear in the article itself, that it is seriously disputed that this was a democratic election. Jehochman Talk 02:02, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
            • It is disputed by some governments, but WP is not the mouthpiece of these governments. Other governments support the elections. The article should absolutely cover that the election is disputed by some governments, but we should not be pretend that the US or aligned governments are necessarily "right" here. --Masem (t) 02:12, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
              • Why are we a mouthpeace for Syria? They claim to have had an election. Anyone who cares about democracy is laughing at this sham election. Why are we spreading the propaganda of Syria, Iran, Russia, China and North Korea? Jehochman Talk 02:21, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
                • Ah yes, the "
                  talk) 03:25, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
                  ]
                • If there was complete worldwide rebuttal against the elections as rigged with only Syria acting as if they were legit, then yes, we may have room to speak against them. But all we have at least documented in the article is what appears to be five or six countries in the entire world that are speaking against it, far from anywhere close this to even consider it a fact that the elections were rigged. WP cannot make that assumption in Wikivoice, period, this is a fundamental NPOV issue. Now, I'm not saying the blurb as modified made that assumption in Wikivoice, but it stressed a point that made it clearly non-neutral. It would be like saying, back in 2016 "President Trump won the US election by a out-of-date electoral college system according to many experts." as the blurb. Fact and sourcable, but its editorializing that we cannot do. --Masem (t) 04:49, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
                  • We don't give North Korea a veto. You are being patently absurd. All reliable sources are reporting that this is a sham election. We must say so or we are seriously deceiving the reader. Jehochman Talk 05:31, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support a simple and neutral "is re-elected president". It only links to the article which does a good job. It does not say the election was democratic, or free, or fair, either. People unfamiliar will find out from the article; those familiar will know something's up anyway. Usedtobecool ☎️ 03:49, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    If the election is rigged, then he isn't "re-elected." He's declared president in a rigged election. Syria reported 95% support for Al-Assad with 78% turnout. More people voted for him, allegedly, than the total population of the parts of Syria under government control. This is painfully obvious fraud. Lying can take the form of stating something that's untrue, but there is also lying by omission, failing to include highly relevant facts. Wikipedia shouldn't do either. I know this is hard, but we should do the work needed to get this right. Jehochman Talk 04:17, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    This is world politics. If there is demonstrable consensus among world countries or world academia that the election was rigged, we could do that. But we can't put out a blurb that claims more than our article can. "Assad is declared winner in an election that had more voters than the population in the territories which could possibly hold an election,[according to whom?]" and was condemned by the United States and its allies but welcomed by Russia and its allies" is too long. Usedtobecool ☎️ 05:47, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    There is universal consensus among reliable sources that the election is a sham. Read the article. We are not judging what countries think. We follow what reliable sources say. Jehochman Talk 12:49, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb Egregious case of false balance. --RaiderAspect (talk) 04:48, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    How about the alternative blurb? Jehochman Talk 05:28, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I've added a less sensationalist blurb as altblurb2. I personally don't think it should be added as, again, people can read the article and make a decision for themselves, but that is strictly factual so I wouldn't have a problem with it. Uses x (talkcontribs) 05:43, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Introducing "disputed" seems like a slippery slope to me. We'll have to decide in future which to label as disputed and which not - after all, plenty of elections are disputed including the most recent US election. Far better to just state the raw fact that there was an election, and person X won it, without attempting to editorialise in the blurb, then leave the detailed analysis to the article.  — Amakuru (talk) 07:10, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    It doesn’t seem like a slippery slope to me because it’s what reliable sources are calling this election. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 22:00, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pull – This bland simple sentence does not summarize the story in a balanced and accurate way. There's been ample RS reporting to show that Bashar wasn't (re-) "elected" in the normal sense of the term. If we can't agree on "disputed" or something similar, the blurb should be pulled. It's misleading, thus an error – Sca (talk) 12:50, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Restore that other countries/the EU consider it unfair. It's not us judging it unfair(which we shouldn't do) but merely reporting what others say about the fairness of the election. This is a significant aspect of the reporting. I agree that just saying "sham" or "disputed" should not be done because that would be us judging it. 331dot (talk) 13:01, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Any particular reason you're saying "restore" when it hasn't yet been pulled? – Sca (talk) 13:06, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I call for restoring the part of the blurb that was removed. 331dot (talk) 13:46, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That's only a small subset of the rest of the world calling it unfair, it's not like the rest of the world is. Its a decidedly pro-Western democracy stance, which we should avoid trying to focus on even if we generally agree with it. --Masem (t) 13:12, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Absent a supranational body to make binding legal determinations about the fairness of elections, that's all we have. 331dot (talk) 13:52, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Given that the article cites other countries giving congratulations to him without questioning the elections (albeit those countries having their own questionable politics under Western demographic standards), no, that's not the only bar, and that's the issue. WP can't take a moral stance here. --Masem (t) 13:58, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The reporting does not focus on the countries that say it was fair and as you point out most of those conduct unfair elections themselves. That's not our moral judgment, but that of RS. 331dot (talk) 14:09, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It's ITN/R, the significance has already been determined. And writing "Bashar al-Assad is re-elected as president of Syria, giving him an executive seat on the WHO" is more obvious POV-pushing than whatever else has been suggested.
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The election of Syria to the WHO executive happened at the Saturday session of the World Health Assembly, whereas the presidential election took place a week ago. So it would be good to report this fresher news. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:22, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Kay Lahusen

Article: Kay Lahusen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Lesbian activist and photographer. Needs a few refs which obits should supply, will work on this today. Innisfree987 (talk) 12:24, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

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(Closed) San Jose shooting

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Article: 2021 San Jose shooting (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In the United States, a mass shooting in San Jose, California, leaves 10 people dead. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In the United States, a mass shooting in San Jose, California, leaves 10 people dead, including the perpetrator.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In the United States, a mass shooting at a rail yard in San Jose, California, leaves 10 people dead.
News source(s): BBC, CNN, Guardian, NYT, Reuters, USA Today, WaPo
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Deadliest mass shooting to ever affect the
talk) 02:04, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
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The Bay Area has a population of 7.75 million, larger than many nations, and yet has never had a shooting of this scale until two days ago. This is certainly not "routine".
talk) 07:48, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
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An area of 7.75 million is not bigger than most countries. Claiming to be the biggest in an area (without even saying it's the biggest ever in the state) does not make it ITN worthy. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:53, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Read again: I said many, not most (although
talk) 07:58, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
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This is 'routine' because it took place in a country with extremely poor public safety, comparable to countries that are currently in war, with hundreds of similar incidents per year. You can always find something to claim it's deadliest (e.g. deadliest in a city, deadliest in an area, deadliest in a neighbourhood populated by an ethnic group, deadliest on a Wednesday, deadliest during a weekend, deadliest using a handgun etc.) but that's implausible when you see the big picture, that is, shootings are all over the United States on a daily basis.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:24, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
If a warzone underwent a record death toll, I, for one, would support the nomination. "Deaths" is not as obscure or trivial of a metric as you are making it seem for a mass shooting.
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Take it to AFD, then, if it's truly non-notable, and do this encyclopedia a service.
talk) 07:48, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
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The AFD will be populated with loads of Americans and kept. Which is the wrong outcome, but the one that would occur, because Wikipedia suffers from massive recentism issues. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:53, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"When I like the result, it's consensus. When I don't, it's American bias."
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Nope, that's my opinion of many articles about recent events. It just happens that American shootings seem to be the ones coming up on ITNC all the time. I never mentioned American bias, I mentioned a problem with recentism. Go check how many non-US ITN items I've opposed before claiming that I just scream "American bias". Joseph2302 (talk) 08:05, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The first sentence of your comment was "The AFD will be populated with loads of Americans and kept", not "The AFD will be populated with loads of recentists and kept." The comment implies that someone's nationality would compel them to support inclusion of every article about things happening in their country, and that it would be impossible for them to a fair arbiter of notability or non-notability (read: bias). I don't care if you also happen to feel strongly about Malagasy bias or Icelandic bias or Antarctican bias or what have you, and I didn't say anywhere that opposing stuff in the USA was a recurring thing for you (I'm really not that inclined to check one way or the other).
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Where did you get the notion this was an act of
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(Posted) RD: Mufti Abdul Razzaq

Article: Mufti Abdul Razzaq (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Free Press Journal
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
(talk) 17:52, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
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(Posted) RD: Eric Carle

Article: Eric Carle (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT, WaPo, NPR
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American designer and children's book writer, author of The Very Hungry Caterpillar, dies at age 91. Davey2116 (talk) 23:15, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

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  • Support RD, maybe blurb I am open to a blurb for him, a major author -TenorTwelve (talk) 00:02, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality I would 100% support a blurb seeing how his book became the best selling children's book of all time. However, the article is in bad shape and needs to be beefed up with sources. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 00:07, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Please consider holding off on the blurb debate until the quality is addressed. 75.188.224.208 (talk) 00:33, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Drawing attention: If someone has existing newspapers.com access through the Wikipedia library it'd be helpful for citing his early life. I'm hitting a paywall. Uses x (talkcontribs) 00:46, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    working on cites... will work thru more tomorrow. Eddie891 Talk Work 02:14, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Selected works might need to be renamed. Judging by the pace of output and timeframe, this might well be an exhaustive list (thus strike "Selected"). They're all books published in the US (save the doodle) so a search through Library of Congress should give both ISBNs and reveal whether anything is missing. If the list in indeed "selected" then there needs to be clear criteria for selection or else tagged with {{list missing criteria}}.130.233.213.199 (talk) 05:40, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb. Many people have heard of and read this book, but that doesn't make its author automatically transformative.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:16, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • RD only – Per Amakuru. A charming kids' book, but at most a literary footnote. – Sca (talk) 13:25, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD, maybe blurb Major author who died at a very old age; I think the general consensus is that he 100% needs an RD nomination, but the blurb is optional. Fakescientist8000 (talk) 13:58, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD only Looks like the article is now of a sufficient quality to post to RD.-- P-K3 (talk) 18:55, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD It's now fully cited and it's long enough for RD, but not blurb-quality. Uses x (talkcontribs) 19:57, 27 May 2021 (UTC)″[reply]

Support he was a very influential author, also wrote "Brown Bear, Brown Bear, what do you see?"

  • RD only He was influential but not enough for a blurb. KingOfAllThings (thou shalt chatter!) 22:01, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Still a few unsourced claims. Stephen 01:38, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Should be all resolved now unless I've missed anything Eddie891 Talk Work 02:02, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Stephen 02:50, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb Appears on virtually every list of the most read children's authors, most of whom are long dead. We posted Sendak, and would have posted Seuss, Lewis, Alcott. This is the peer group. GreatCaesarsGhost 12:37, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb whilst The Very Hungry Caterpillar is a household name, Eric Carle is not. Until seeing this RD nom, I didn't know the author's name. His name is much less well known than other people who have been refused blurbs for their deaths here previously. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:41, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    That's specious reasoning. He is extremely prominent in his field, so if you don't know who he is, that means you have very little knowledge of that field. So how can you weigh his relative importance? GreatCaesarsGhost 13:20, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I know exactly who Sendak, Lewis, Seuss and Alcott are, without having to be told their most famous work(s). That simply isn't the case for Carle. Just because lots of people know the book, that doesn't mean they know the author. Which is why I'm disputing the fact that his death is notable enough for a blurb, which is something we reserve for extremely rare cases for super-important people. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:29, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Again, Carle is not famous for a single book. If you exclude his top seller, he's still outsold Lewis Carroll, ER Burroughs, Ian Fleming, etc. GreatCaesarsGhost 18:31, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb, blurbs should be reserved for individuals whose death and/or funeral could have a stand-alone article. Abductive (reasoning) 13:41, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Observation - not even 12 hours after posting and he's off RD, despite receiving numerous blurb supports, in favour of several very non-prominent people that received singular supports for their RD on May 27. This system is very broken. - Floydian τ ¢ 14:20, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Sometimes we have lots of RD noms, sometimes we have fewer. Can we restore under-exposed ones on lull days? Or shall we set a minimum time for MainPage appearances? --PFHLai (talk) 21:06, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      This may be a non-starter and might lead to disputes, but is it possible we could have two tiers of RDs - those that have strong blurb support could be tier 2 and therefore retained on RD for longer than the run-of-the-mill entries? Personally I think it was right not to blurb Eric Carle, but then again it is legitimate to say that some people were looking for his article after he died and that it might be good to keep him up for at least a couple of days.  — Amakuru (talk) 17:46, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      There is on-going discussion on this issue at Wikipedia talk:In the news#Brainstorm on fixing the broken system. Please join. --PFHLai (talk) 19:09, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: H. S. Doreswamy

Article: H. S. Doreswamy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian civil rights activist. News just breaking. Article is almost ready for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 16:14, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

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(Posted) Milieudefensie et al v Royal Dutch Shell

Article: 
Royal Dutch Shell to cut its global carbon emissions by 45% by the end of 2030. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, Wall Street Journal

Credits:
That's life in the big city. (But hey, I learned that transitoriness is actually a word.)Sca (talk) 14:59, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Another comment - why is there a picture of Shell's headquarters attached to this story? I thought images were included to assist readers in understanding a story, but that picture of a building has very little to do with the court ruling or its ramifications. We'd rather just stick with the pic of the Samoan PM-elect, which at least is relevant to its story.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:06, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Is that the royal we? ;-) – Sca (talk) 13:46, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Swapped. The building is uninvolved.—Bagumba (talk) 13:42, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

X-Press Pearl

Article: 
Colombo Port, causing an oil spill in the sea around Sri Lanka. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera

Credits:

(Posted) RD: Samuel E. Wright

Article: Samuel E. Wright (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [4]
Credits:
  • Nominated by Fakescientist8000 (talk · give credit)
  • Updated by [[User:
    User:Кирилл С1
    |action=edit&preload=Template:ITN_candidate/preload_credit&preloadtitle=ITN+recognition+for+%5B%5BSamuel+E.+Wright%5D%5D&section=new&preloadparams%5b%5d=Samuel+E.+Wright&preloadparams%5b%5d=updated}} give credit])

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Aged 74. Voiced Sebastian the crab in The Little Mermaid. Fakescientist8000 (talk) 10:57, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

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Cyclone Yaas

Article: Cyclone Yaas (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Cyclone Yaas impacts Odisha and West Bengal in East India, forcing the evacuation of more than a million people. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Cyclone Yaas impacts Odisha, West Bengal and Bihar in Eastern India, directly affecting more than ten million people and causing 15,000 crore (equivalent to 170 billion or US$2.1 billion in 2023) in damage in West Bengal alone.
News source(s): The Guardian, IMD, Hindustan Times, Free Press Journal, AP, The Economic Times
Credits:

Article updated

  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  11:42, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Wait While it has caused a large number of evacuations, if there are minimal deaths, this likely will not be appropriate to post for ITN. --Masem (t) 12:54, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Around 10 deaths (7 before and 3 today, as of now). And coastal villages and towns flooded. (Aljazeera)  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  13:12, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm not saying that number of deaths won't make it, but it is this time of year that storms will threaten several parts of the world and will do damage, but we simply don't have room to post all landfall-making, damage-dealing storms with few-to-no death counts, even if it causes temporary displace of millions of people. I'm only saying wait here because the landfall was this morning so full impact is not yet known. --Masem (t) 13:33, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, I understand that everything can't be included in the ITN. But, the degree of damage is very high, as the areas got flooded (it didn't even happen during the Super cyclone last year) due to high tide at the time of landfall.  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  14:15, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Very high impact, potential/likely further impact, number of deaths already. Article is decent. Melmann 13:27, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I did my best to find all the reported deaths from Yaas and I got 7. When did you get the three more, @
    🌀HurricaneParrot🐦 13:33, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • Wait – storm surge looks bad but death toll is relatively low at this time. Will revisit in ~12h and see if the death toll jumps after sunrise. ~ KN2731 {talk · contribs} 15:30, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Moving to oppose. Death toll hasn't risen since yesterday, evacuations, mangroves, and numerous rescue operations by emergency services seem to have done their bit. Coverage by news outlets outside of India is fading quickly. ~ KN2731 {talk · contribs} 08:31, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait – We need to wait until more death/damage reports come in and things stabilise in India a little bit.Jason Rees (talk) 15:56, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article quality is excellent and while it might be nice to wait for damage reports, the reality is that it's in the news now, not so much later. Only thing that might be nice is a current fatality/injury count in the sidebar, but it's ultimately trivial given the article quality. NorthernFalcon (talk) 16:25, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Not enough deaths... appears to be an average storm thus far. NoahTalk 19:11, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait – We need to know the full scale of impact first, it isn't enough right now for ITN.
    advisories/damages 20:16, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
    ]

May 25

Armed conflicts and attacks

  • 2019–2021 Iraqi protests
    • One protester is killed and dozens are injured after police attack protesters gathered at
      Tahrir Square in the evening, where hundreds marched to demand the end of targeted killings of prominent journalists and activists. (Euronews)

Business and economy

  • COVID-19 pandemic in India, Economic impact of the COVID-19 pandemic in India
    • Tata Steel has said that it will support the families of its workers in India who have died of COVID-19. The firm said that it will pay deceased employees' salaries, housing and medical benefits until what would have been their retirement at the age of 60. The company has also pledged to cover the education costs of the children of deceased front line workers until they graduate. This is the third firm to make such an announcement, after hospitality group Oyo Rooms and glass manufacturer Borosil. (BBC News)
  • Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development. (Barron's)

Disasters and accidents

  • The
    Singaporean flag and carrying cosmetics and chemicals, including 25 tonnes of nitric acid, catches fire off the coast of Sri Lanka after an explosion was detected onboard. Rescuers evacuated all crew from the ship and reported that two people were injured. (Reuters)

Health and environment

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections


(Posted) RD: Cotton Ivy

Article: Cotton Ivy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Tennessean
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Comedian, member of the Tennessee House of Representatives, and Tennessee Commissioner of Agriculture Jon698 (talk) 01:02, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

(Posted) RD: Eilat Mazar

Article: Eilat Mazar (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Haaretz; The Times of Israel
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 03:15, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

RD: John Warner

Article: John Warner (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN, Washington Post
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: U.S. Senator from Virginia (1979–2009). There are a few things which need proper citation, but generally looks decent. rawmustard (talk) 12:53, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

(Posted) RD: Ben Kruger

Article: Ben Kruger (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Jacaranda FM
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: South African actor, died of COVID-19. Needs a bit of work and sourcing I would guess. Will work on it today.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:26, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

(Posted) RD: Tarcisio Burgnich

Article: Tarcisio Burgnich (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Malta Independent
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Italian footballer. Looks in OK condition already to me.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:16, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

(Posted) RD: Anthony Lazzaro (university administrator)

Article: Anthony Lazzaro (university administrator) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Los Angeles Times; University of Southern California
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Only announced and reported today (May 25); died on May 20. —Bloom6132 (talk) 05:29, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

(Posted) RD: Mark York

Article: Mark York (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Independent NME
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Actor Mark York also known as Marcus A. York, known for his role on the US The Office. Article was recently created since one did not exist before but coverage generated from his death have made him notable enough for a standalone article.  Spy-cicle💥  Talk? 15:06, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

  • I have a concern that of the sources present in the article only one predates his death (the People source). Otherwise, we're looking at a BLP1E issue here which is a problem both from a notability standpoint and RD posting. I'd recommend trying to find a few more sources pre-dating the death to show he was notable before this point. --Masem (t) 15:22, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Question: Are people only allowed to become notable if there is writing about them before they die? How do you square that with the existence of articles like Vincent van Gogh where, most certainly, there is not enough source text about his life written before he died. Why are reliable sources written after a person's death not suitable for citing in an article? --Jayron32 15:45, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Obviously for people that lived well before the existence of mass media, there's different standards (and of course, people have written at length about Van Gogh well after his death). But for an actor who's career was 100% within the realm of widespread Internet coverage, to have almost no coverage until their death indicates that they were more a minor actor, only getting attention due to death of the actor of a character from a popular show. I'd love to be proven wrong in terms of more sources that existed while the Office was being filmed, for example, but if we're just building an article off obits, even semi-lengthy ones, that's a general BLP1e issue. --Masem (t) 16:11, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm curious as to why you are invoking WP:BLP1E here; surely his various acting roles count as multiple events for which he is notable. Also, where can I read about this Wikipedia policy or guideline that says for people who died after the internet existed, we're not allowed to use sources written after their death. I would like to make sure I am following this from now on... --Jayron32 16:43, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    The 1E is his death here. Acting in small roles are not significant events if they drew no coverage at the time of their broadcast and only attention at the point of death - otherwise any credited actor in any work would be immediately notable and that's not something our notability guidelines allow. --Masem (t) 17:09, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    But he's not notable for dying. He's notable for acting. The 1E is not his death. Furthermore, you still haven't told me where I can read about this rule that sources published after a persons death during the internet age can't be used. I would really like to read this. --Jayron32 20:01, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I think
    WP:ENT would be more appropriate, but the result is the same. GreatCaesarsGhost 18:05, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
    ]
    Thanks for comment, in digging around only managed to find one other RS besides the People magazine one, [7], I'll have a look to see if I can find anything in local newspapers though.  Spy-cicle💥  Talk? 16:10, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment www.google.com/search?q=%22Mark+York%22+before%3A2021 - can't find anything. --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 15:39, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    @Masem: I managed to find these 3 clippings in local papers [8][9][10]. These 3 + the other 2 previously mentioned, what are your thoughts? Regards  Spy-cicle💥  Talk? 16:50, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Local sources would be fine, not best, but better than nothing. --Masem (t) 17:10, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I can't find anything with a DuckDuckGo search either. Site note: all the news sites are just re-writing his obituary in their own words, so they should be treated as primary sources. Uses x (talkcontribs) 15:53, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    For searches, the subject also was known as Marcus A. York or Mark A. York (was torn which article title to put as mostly credited as Marcus A. York but obituaries only went with "Mark York" so chose the latter) His IMdb for example is under that name [11]. Pre 2021 I have found two articles [12][13]  Spy-cicle💥  Talk? 16:10, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I think people don’t realize that even internet-age newspaper articles will not always appear in a Google search. There’s a whole other world of material available in newspaper databases that you can access via libraries. I found one Dayton newspaper article about him from as far back as 2003. Zagalejo (talk) 12:35, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Blatant plug time: Any registered Wiki editor can apply for a |Wikipedia Library Card, and besides immediate access to other sources, you can then apply to get access via your Wikimedia account to newspapers.com. It is not full 100% access there (you can search but you can't necessarily read all but you can at least search and see a clip image (sufficient to see the ones that Spy-cicle pointed out). --Masem (t) 14:00, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Now at AfD, so ineligible until that is resolved. P-K3 (talk) 01:10, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    The AfD was marked as speedily keep. Fakescientist8000 (talk) 14:10, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I've withdrawn the AFD due to the additions of the newspapers expanding his advocacy work. The article is now fully cited, and has a good amount of information. Non-primary sources would be preferable for his personal life, but there's absolutely no reason to doubt that info. Uses x (talkcontribs) 09:04, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Even without the recent additions, I think this would have been fine. Decent coverage before death and a broad, if short, set of credits. A well composed BLP.130.233.213.199 (talk) 13:04, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose York has not "received significant coverage in multiple published" sources (
    WP:ENT). I know some like to ignore the word "significant" to force through these borderline cases, but I believe it's there for a reason. GreatCaesarsGhost 13:16, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
    ]
    @GreatCaesarsGhost: The AfD was speedy kept.—Bagumba (talk) 13:58, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    It was withdrawn with modest comments. That doesn't mean anything. GreatCaesarsGhost 17:44, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. It's quite short, but has enough I think for ITN. Marking as ready.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:58, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted --PFHLai (talk) 22:58, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Malaysia train collision

Article: 2021 Kelana Jaya LRT collision (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Rail accident happened in Malaysia involving 2 Bombardier Innovia Metro train (Post)
News source(s): ChannelNewsAsia, The Sun Daily
Credits:
  • Comment – Largely absent from English-language RS sites. No word on casualties. (Nominated by Jeromi Mikhael.)Sca (talk) 12:13, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Sca: What does the last part of your sentence mean? (the one with the <small> tag? I'm not nominating this. --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 15:31, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, my mistake! – Sca (talk) 18:04, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I hope this mistake isn't an indication of something else.... :) --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 18:51, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I've added the nominator. (Diff of addition). Uses x (talkcontribs) 16:59, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now: Article is currently a stub and the chronology section needs expansion. Might change my vote if the article is improved. ColinBear (talk) 13:42, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on significance given the (fortuntately) lack of deaths, especially considering the other fatal incidents we have posted currently. And oppose on quality of the article right now - empty section, and large chunks unreferenced. -- KTC (talk) 14:02, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality; the article is lacking citations, among other quality issues. NorthernFalcon (talk) 16:26, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose background section is unsourced, and chronology section is empty. The current article gives almost no details on the incident itself. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:42, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

May 24

Armed conflicts and attacks

Arts and culture

Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections


RD: Stuart Ross Taylor

Article: 
talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ANU

Credits:

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.

 Count Iblis (talk) 00:40, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

(Posted) Mali coup d'état

Article: 2021 Malian coup d'état (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Malian army arrests the president, prime minister and the defence minister after a government personnel reshuffle. (Post)
News source(s): Onet.pl from PAP & Reuters, The Guardian, France24, AP, BBC, Reuters
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Mali is no stranger to political unrest but the army arresting 3 most politically important people is world news even when in the most turbulent of states. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:24, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What article?
talk) 01:05, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
]
That would seem to imply that coups of this sort are not unusual in Mali. – Sca (talk) 13:03, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on notability and quality. The article is in better shape now, and the subsections are about as long as their counterparts on the 2020 Malian coup d'état article; all that's lacking is an aftermath section, and it's obviously too early to expect one.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 21:12, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Looks good now --Vacant0 (talk) 11:36, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted  — Amakuru (talk) 16:04, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Constitutional Crisis in Samoa

Article: 
Tuilaepa Aiono Sailele Malielegaoi locks her and her party out of parliament.
News source(s): NPR, BBC, CNN, Guardian

Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: An update to a blurb that's rolled off, the former Prime Minister of Samoa has refused to hand over power. NorthernFalcon (talk) 18:10, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • There is also an article for the 2021 Samoan constitutional crisis. Joofjoof (talk) 18:34, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt1 added it because the first blurb is a bit all over the place. Changed article to 2021 Samoan constitutional crisis. --Aknell4 (talkcontribs) 18:44, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – Premature. Let's wait 'til the results of this imbroglio are known. – Sca (talk) 18:51, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait - I considered nominating this, but decided that Mataʻafa being sworn in outside parliament by itself isn't quite enough, especially since we only a few days ago posted the election result. If more develops, then will probably support. Basically waiting to see whose orders are being followed in the coming days -- KTC (talk) 18:54, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Had this not fallen off so quickly, I'd say update it for sure and bump it back up to the top. Since it's not on, I support waiting at least 24 hours. If after 24 hours, there's a resolution, then we post it. If not, I think ongoing would probably be better and then post a full blurb whenever there's a resolution to this. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 18:58, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt1 - it's significant, consequential, and adds geographic breadth. Guettarda (talk) 02:10, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. This is news now, no need to wait. If there's a resolution then it stands as a completed story, while if there isn't, it can roll down into Ongoing in due course. I don't see a valid reason to wait, and as noted this would have probably been "bumped" had the announcement of the election still been on the carousel. The article looks in OK shape for posting at this point, although some expansion and reorganisation in due course would be useful.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:12, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support ALT III A budding crisis in the news. The Supreme Court doesn't declare a PM per se—they allowed her party to form a government—so the first and ALT blurb are out.—Bagumba (talk) 12:13, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Is anyone creative enough to work in that she's the first female PM?—Bagumba (talk) 12:13, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Prior to the cancelling of the swearing in ceremony, I'd have considered it political grandstanding, but it is quite something to obstruct a swearing in ceremony ordered by the country's supreme court. I think that elevates to it being relevant and notable for ITA. I also support reworking the blurb to mention that the incoming prime minister is the first woman to be elected to the role. Melmann 14:27, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Notable, comprehensive, well referenced. Fakescientist8000 (talk) 14:29, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt3 as it's more concise. The event is in international news, and it's a notable event. The article is also good. I've added the significant contributor to the main article as a creator. Uses x (talkcontribs) 15:08, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support ALTIII per above. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 19:52, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt3 per Uses x  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 21:23, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, major event, worthy of reposting.  Nixinova T  C   01:57, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Stephen 02:28, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I tweaked the posted blurb from "former PM" to "caretaker PM", as he was not former at the time, and it avoids WP taking a stance on current PM status.—Bagumba (talk) 03:23, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Blurb corrected I removed mention of the "former" PM in the lock out, as technically the clerk kept the doors locked per the Speaker of the House, who was following the Head of State. The former PM is not directly linked. Discuss if he should be integrated back into the blurb somehow, or if mention of first female PM should be added.—Bagumba (talk) 13:30, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Soon to be a major motion picture. – Sca (talk) 14:35, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It would be best to carry on discussions of errors in the blurb at
WP:ERRORS, the venue designed to discuss errors. They tend to get handled faster there. --Jayron32 20:03, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
]
@Jayron32: The error was already fixed. The question I posed was whether the blurb needed expansion after its shortening, which is not an error, per se. But sure, there might be less eyes here for a topic already posted. Its a gray area where it belongs.—Bagumba (talk) 00:46, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Max Mosley

Article: Max Mosley (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Independent BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: President of the FIA and son of Oswald Mosley  The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 14:12, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

(Closed) COVID-19 pandemic in India

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Article: COVID-19 pandemic in India (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Deaths in India due to COVID-19 crosses 300,000. (Post)
Alternative blurb: India becomes the third country to cross 300,000 deaths due to COVID-19.
Alternative blurb II: ​ 100,000 fatalities due to COVID-19 in India in the past 26 days takes India past 300,000 COVID-19 deaths in total.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Amidst a fall in new daily COVID-19 cases, India's death toll due to COVID-19 crosses 300,000.
News source(s): TOI, BBC, France24, Al Jazeera, CNN
Credits:
 
talk) 13:25, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
]
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May 23

Disasters and accidents

Business and economy

Health and environment

Law and crime

Politics and elections

  • April 2021 Samoan general election
    • The
      Tuimalealiifano Va'aletoa Sualauvi II which had suspended the opening of parliament on Monday. The ruling, which declared that Sualauvi had acted unlawfully, allows for the opening of parliament, as previously scheduled. (RNZ)
    • Speaker of the Legislative Assembly of Samoa Leaupepe Toleafoa Faafisi announces that he will not convene the new session of parliament on Monday, defying the new ruling by the Supreme Court. (RNZ)
  • Aftermath of the 2021 Myanmar coup d'état
    • A total of 125,900 school teachers have been suspended for joining the civil disobedience movement and opposing the military junta. A teachers' union federation spokesman said that this move comes just before the start of the new school year in the country. (Reuters)

Sports


(Posted) RD: Charles Boutin

Article: Charles Boutin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Baltimore Sun
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Mayor of Aberdeen, Maryland, and member of the Maryland House of Delegates Jon698 (talk) 21:14, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

(Posted) Peru mass shooting

Article: San Miguel del Ene attack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least fourteen people are killed in a mass shooting in San Miguel del Ene by the Militarized Communist Party of Peru. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Reuters, Bloomberg
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Up to 18 people were killed; the Militarized Communist Party of Peru is a faction of Shining Path. The attack has taken place just a few weeks before the upcoming general elections in Peru, on 6 June. NoonIcarus (talk) 00:39, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support because it's easily important enough & the article is of sufficient quality. Jim Michael (talk) 07:38, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support article is of sufficient quality, and a terrorist act of such breadth is unusual in Peru, making this notable. NorthernFalcon (talk) 22:02, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support highly unusual and notable. Target article is ok. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 22:05, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Rare in the region, and the article is good. Note: someone with more knowledge about the attack than I do should look into whether the category "Violence against LGBT people" is relevant, as I can't find a single thing to support it. Uses x (talkcontribs) 22:31, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted --PFHLai (talk) 22:42, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pull This article has changed not a whit since it's very first edit/creation, and it's fallen off the news so it apparently never will. It's still a janky disaster stub, which does not even have a section for the attack itself (the tiny bits of information are hidden in Investigation). It's 99% background, narrative and reactions; there is not even a description of the attack. While I don't dispute the notability, nor the unusual aspects, the article is completely uninformative and might as well be moved to a list somewhere.130.233.213.199 (talk) 11:56, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Perfection is not required, and the article, which can always be improved in the ways that you notes, is sufficient for the main page. There's no need to pull it, it appears that what is known about the shooting is in the article (the number dead, who is suspected of undertaking it, and what the current state of the investigation is). Could it be improved regarding sectioning, expansion, and narrative flow? Sure it could. Are these problems insurmountable or so egregious that it shouldn't be on the main page? No. --Jayron32 12:15, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
    ]

RD: Ron Hill

Article: Ron Hill (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
Dimmi!!! 23:59, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
]

RD: Paulo Mendes da Rocha

Article: Paulo Mendes da Rocha (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Folha de S. Paulo, O Globo, Business Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
Dimmi!!! 23:38, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
]

(Posted) 2021 PGA Championship

Article: 2021 PGA Championship (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In golf, Phil Mickelson (pictured) wins the PGA Championship. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In golf, Phil Mickelson (pictured) wins the PGA Championship, making him the oldest player to win a major.
News source(s): CNN
Credits:
The nominated event is listed on
WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Currently leading by two strokes, very likely at this point that he will win Event has now concluded. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 23:05, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

(Closed) SC Magdeburg win EHF European League

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Article: 
Füchse Berlin 28-22 to win the 2020–21 EHF European League.
News source(s): Eurosport

Credits:
 Abcmaxx (talk) 22:28, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Oppose use of "dominated" in first blurb per NPOV. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 22:53, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose and SNOW close We're not going to post the winner of the second tier of European handball. Not even the Champions League is ITN/R, and though I personally like handball, I'd almost certainly !vote against that, too. -- Kicking222 (talk) 23:57, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose WP:SNOW, results of the second tier of a regional handball tourney is not significant even if three German teams come top 3. Jbvann05 00:24, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Statistical fluke.
    talk) 00:26, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
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(Posted) Stresa-Mottarone cable car disaster

 KTC (talk) 17:41, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support. Significant disaster. 142.117.34.192 (talk) 17:49, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Two-digit toll is significant indeed. Such incidents are rare in Europe if I'm not mistaken. --BorgQueen (talk) 18:18, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. The death toll has since risen to 14. TheEpicGhosty (talk) 18:55, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I've updated the proposed blurbs (which could probably do with copyediting in any event). -- KTC (talk) 19:00, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Significant and quite unusual disaster.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 19:44, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Sufficiently important accident & the article is easily good enough. Jim Michael (talk) 20:26, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Marked it ready. --BorgQueen (talk) 20:29, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Very significant accident. Good to go. MSN12102001 (talk) 23:22, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose a simple accident, no (or at most very niche) long-term impact. Banedon (talk) 23:27, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment There are two recent tragic events which I think are quite comparable, this and Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates#(Posted) Gansu ultramarathon disaster. Given there were more deaths in the China incident, I think to post this and not the China one would be a bit Eurocentric; it probably should be both or neither. Adpete (talk) 01:42, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Article could use some restructuring-- intro shouldn't have extra info that's not present in the body of the article. SpencerT•C 02:22, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posting, I will modify the blurb a bit, feel free to change. --Tone 09:31, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting comment I would modify the blurb to say "In Italy, 14 people die/are killed in a cable car accident near Lake Maggiore." The use of active voice sounds strange when the "actor" is an abstract concept like an accident. Mlb96 (talk) 16:35, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Ryanair Flight 4978

Proposed image
Article: 
Raman Pratasevich is arrested by Belarussian authorities after Ryanair Flight 4978 (aircraft involved pictured) is forced to land at Minsk National Airport due to a false bomb alert.
News source(s): (BBC
)
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Apparent political kidnapping (my words), breach of a host of ICAO rules. Likely to be fallout from this one. Article needs development. This is explicitly not an AIRCRASH nomination, so please do not object on those grounds. It is nominated for the political aspect of the event. Mjroots (talk) 17:32, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support Lying about a bomb on board to force the plane to land, when it was travelling between two EU countries on an Irish airline, to arrest (and possibly in the future execute) an opposition reporter who has asylum in Lithuania. The European Commission and the Irish government are taking steps, so this is becoming an international incident. Alexei Navalny's hunger strike was posted, as a comparison, so I think this meets the significance critera. The article is also fully referenced and has the current information. Uses x (talkcontribs) 17:44, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support all kinds of significance on this one, and one of those few times where it's enough to overlook the stubbiness of the article. Keep an eye on that reactions section: Latvia, Poland, and whoever else responds is mostly irrelevant filler. Belarus, Greece, Lithuania and probably the EASA reactions are meaningful. "History" section should be renamed "Flight" or something it's not really a history. --LaserLegs (talk) 17:45, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- KTC (talk) 17:46, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait no more than 3 hours, then support. I expect reactions from Russia and the US in the next hour or so. The article is getting de-stubbed about as quickly as news is coming out. I'm personally just doing meta-work here; formatting, inter-wiki links, etc. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 18:20, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This is an unusual incident that involves an apparent forced landing of a European plane, and an arrest of a dissident. In addition to this, top EU officeholders, foreign ministers, ICAO, and Reporters Without Borders have commented on it. --
    talk) 18:30, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • Comment image added to
    WP:CMP. Mjroots (talk) 18:38, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • Support Interesting event – similar to what happened on
    talk) 18:40, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • Support Significant event, will for sure lead to even more significant consequences. Mellk (talk) 18:47, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This event is pretty much unprecedented. Strong significance. TheEpicGhosty (talk) 18:57, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 19:11, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comments I've given the credits. I'll leave posting the image to another admin. --BorgQueen (talk) 19:20, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • See
        WP:MPE - image not protected. Krinklebot has stopped working. Mjroots (talk) 20:39, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
        ]
  • Post-posting support Very significant, reminiscent of Ethiopian Airlines Flight 702, in some half-way, at least. Fakescientist8000 (talk) 10:56, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Should we update this to reflect the EU sanctions? (barring the Belarus state airline and barring EU airlines from Belarus airspace) 331dot (talk) 09:18, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Lorrae Desmond

Article: Lorrae Desmond (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Gold Logie winner and A Country Practice star Lorrae Desmond dead aged 91 – news.com.au, 23 May 2021
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Australian actress and singer whose career spanned from 1945 to 2001 – Ianblair23 (talk) 06:13, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

(Posted) Eruption of Mount Nyiragongo

Article: 
DR Congo. (Post)
News source(s): BBC

Credits:

Nominator's comments: While there are no reports of damage or death yet, I believe that the evacuation of a city of two million, along with Nyiragongo's status as a decade volcano, makes this blurbable regardless. That said, we may see casualties shortly. NorthernFalcon (talk) 04:46, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Bob Fulton

Article: Bob Fulton (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Manly legend and NRL Immortal Bob Fulton dies aged 73 – Sydney Morning Herald, 23 May 2021
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Australian rugby league player, coach, commentator and immortal – Ianblair23 (talk) 04:25, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

(Closed) St Johnstone's double

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Article: 
2021 Scottish League Cup Final against Livingston F.C. by the same margin and thanks to the same goalscorer. This victory cements the historic 2020–21 season, becoming the only team outside of the Old Firm and Aberdeen to win a cup double ever and by far the smallest team to do so.
News source(s): St Johnstone 1–0 Hibernian
- BBC Sport, 22 May 2021
Credits:
Nominator's comments: One of the biggest minnow success in sporting history Abcmaxx (talk) 23:19, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Kudos Glad to see an alternative blurb coming straight out and admitting it's not ready to reach the Main Page yet! InedibleHulk (talk) 04:43, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure if I have ever seen such majesty presented on ITN/C. Kicking222 (talk) 08:02, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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May 22

Arts and culture

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Sports


(Posted) RD: Syamsuddin Mahmud

Article: Syamsuddin Mahmud (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Kompas
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see

Nominator's comments: Former Governor of Aceh (1993-2000). COVID-19. Pinging recent updaters to the ITN templates: @PFHLai: Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 14:22, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

(Posted) Gansu ultramarathon disaster

Article: Gansu ultramarathon disaster (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ 21 ultramarathon runners die due to extreme weather while competing in Gansu, China. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ 21 trail runners died due to extreme weather in an ultramarathon in Jingtai, China.
Alternative blurb II: ​ 21 trail runners, mostly professional atheletes, died due to extreme weather in an ultramarathon.
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: One of the deadliest outdoor sports accident in the history of China. --

Dimmi!!! 23:53, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
]

RD: André Ribeiro (racing driver)

Article: André Ribeiro (racing driver) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Motor Sport, Auto Sport, Racer
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
Dimmi!!! 23:47, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
]

Two major earthquakes

Articles: 2021 Dali earthquake (talk · history · tag) and 2021 Maduo earthquake (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Two MS 6.4 and MS 7.4 earthquakes struck Dali Perfecture and Madoi County, leaving 3 death, many injured and lots of destruction. (Post)
News source(s): [14] and [15]
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Although the casuality was not extreme, the earthquake left major emergency impact. For example, Matö County students, primarily Tibetan, are now studying in yurts on May 23. 173.68.165.114 (talk) 07:31, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose Damage of this magnitude as far as earthquakes go is not notable. We probably wouldn't post hurricanes, floods, or tornados with 3 deaths either. Albertaont (talk) 01:38, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Earthquakes are only news because of their destruction, and this was relatively minor. Also not a slow news cycle these days.—Bagumba (talk) 11:45, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD or blurb: Yuan Longping

Article: Yuan Longping (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): South China Morning Post, AP
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD
.
  • Support blurb in principle, oppose in content If we were to judge posting death blurbs based on the scale of global influence the person has, then this person definitely passed the threshold. But unfortunately there are several problems regarding references in the article – Special:Contributions/173.68.165.114|173.68.165.114]] (talk) 06:35, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • RD only – Subject was 90. His primary work was in the 1970s. – Sca (talk) 12:20, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD - Not notable enough for a blurb - fine for RD. Fakescientist8000 (talk) 12:52, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now. Citations needed. He's a very important figure but it's been very long since his career and his death needs no explanation in a blurb, so once the article issues are resolved I support RD only. Uses x (talkcontribs) 22:19, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD Although his impact is likely blurb worthy, he isn't exactly well known, even outside scientific circles. Albertaont (talk) 01:35, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Tagged. Hanamanteo (talk) 06:30, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Joe Beckwith

Article: Joe Beckwith (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Dothan Eagle; Auburn University
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 05:50, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

Atletico Madrid wins La Liga

Article: 2020–21 La Liga (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In association football, Atlético Madrid wins 2020–21 La Liga. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Guardian, CNN
Credits:

Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on
WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: The winner of La Liga is ITN/R, and unlike the Premier League, this year's La Liga was decided on the final day of the season. Unlike the nomination about Bundesliga, the La Liga article does not yet have a prose summary--although this only happened a few hours ago, so give editors a few hours to fix that. NorthernFalcon (talk) 04:37, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

The event has already been determined to be ITN/R. Its notability has been assessed.
talk) 08:58, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
]
The topic, not the event. Hardly newsworthy, this is merely routine coverage. Much more newsworthy footballing stories have been turned down. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:42, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No, this specific event, La Liga. It has already been pre-determined to be newsworthy.-- P-K3 (talk) 15:07, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose in current form - Page has every kind of table and graph imaginable, but the only prose refers to what happened at the end of the season before. Unknown Temptation (talk) 17:32, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose absolutely nothing special or unprecedented about this, nearly all the leagues are concluding around now. Abcmaxx (talk) 01:37, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Not all league are ITN/R; this one is. Being special is irrelevant. -- Kicking222 (talk) 02:09, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Only prose on season play is two sentences ... in the lead.—Bagumba (talk) 05:40, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now per all of the above; article in question has no significant prose writing about the season. I would expect a full season synopsis, covering all of the major highlights, before posting this to the main page. Consider this vote a full support after that has been done.--Jayron32 15:25, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Robert Lewandowski breaks Gerd Muller's record

Article: Robert Lewandowski (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In the 2020–21 Bundesliga, Robert Lewandowski breaks Gerd Müller's 49-year old record for most goals scored in one Bundesliga season. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In the 2020–21 Bundesliga, Bayern Munich wins its ninth consecutive and 30th overall title, while Robert Lewandowski breaks Gerd Müller's 49-year old record for most goals scored in one Bundesliga season.
News source(s): BBC, Guardian, SI, CNN
Credits:

Nominator's comments: I know we don't usually post sporting records unless they are very significant, but Gerd Müller's 40 goals in one Bundesliga season record is a long-standing record with cultural significance in Germany, and the chase for Gerd Müller's record was covered extensively this season. We also failed to post Bayern Munich's ITN/R Bundesliga win while we were in the middle of debating whether we post blurbs at the end of the season or after they're mathematically clinched, so this might be an opportunity to pop that in as well. NorthernFalcon (talk) 04:28, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak Support! More or less as important in Germany as Patrick Marleau "outplaying" Gordie Howe was to Canada, Europe can learn from that New World mistake of the past. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:49, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment In light of the earlier Premier League post at the time of clinching—not at season's end—do we consider Bayern Munich stale now? Consider that the Bundesliga clinching was nominated a couple of weeks ago but was not posted. —Bagumba (talk) 05:39, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - Messi breaking this same record, but in the scope of all European leagues, was posted in 2012. It seems like splitting hairs to post again the record being broken just in Germany. Unknown Temptation (talk) 17:31, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose It's interesting for fans, but blurbs shouldn't make comparisons as the event should be significant enough by itself and we can't assume people reading ITN are familiar with the previous record. Uses x (talkcontribs) 22:11, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Eurovision Song Contest 2021

Article: Eurovision Song Contest 2021 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Italy, represented by Måneskin with the song "Zitti e buoni", wins the Eurovision Song Contest in Rotterdam, the Netherlands. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ At the Eurovision Song Contest 2021 in Rotterdam, Netherlands, Italy wins with their respresentatives, Måneskin, and their song "Zitti e buoni".
News source(s): [16]
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on
WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Nominating it now so we can discuss blurb layout which is discussed each year. -- AxG /   23:13, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

  • Support - part of ITN/R. The blurb looks good. BabbaQ (talk) 23:16, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, also comment I've added an alternate blurb, please discuss as necessary. KingOfAllThings (thou shalt chatter!) 23:52, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose many unsourced statements on the event article, including but not limited to the whole Scoreboard section, the text in the Returning Artists section. Also multiple instances of tense updates needed. This is far from ready. Joseph2302 (talk) 00:44, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - The article has been improved since last night. --WEBDuB (talk) 08:52, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article looks good, they performed great in my opinion --Vacant0 (talk) 11:09, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posting. I will omit the venue from the blurb since it is long enough already. --Tone 12:37, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Jorge García Carneiro

Article: Jorge García Carneiro (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Tal Cual
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Venezuelan politician and governor of the Vargas state for over ten years. Died while in office. NoonIcarus (talk) 13:47, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

Ongoing: Colombian protests

Article: 2021 Colombian protests (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): AJ, CNN, Guardian, NYT, Reuters
Credits:
Article updated

Nominator's comments: Despite

talk) 05:19, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
]

May 21

Armed conflicts and attacks

Arts and culture

Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

Law and crime

  • Health Service Executive cyberattack
  • Animal welfare and rights in Germany
  • CNA Financial, the seventh-largest commercial insurer in the United States, reveals that in March 2021, it was the target of a ransomware attack and had paid $40 million to a group named Phoenix two weeks after a trove of company data was stolen, and CNA officials were locked out of their network. The CNA hackers used malware called Phoenix Locker, a variant of ransomware dubbed Hades. Hades was created by a Russian cybercrime syndicate known as Evil Corp., according to cybersecurity experts. In December 2019, the Treasury Department announced sanctions on 17 individuals and six entities linked to Evil Corp. The designation by the Treasury Department made it illegal for a U.S. company to knowingly pay a ransom to Evil Corp. (Bloomberg)(FOX Business)
  • One Catholic priest is killed and another kidnapped in an armed attack on the parish in Malunfashi, Sokoto State, in northern Nigeria. Several other people are wounded in the assault. (Fides)

Politics and elections


(Posted) RD: Usman Mansoorpuri

Article: Usman Mansoorpuri (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Greater Kashmir, Roznama Sahara Urdu
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
(talk) 18:25, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
]

  • Support. looks fine. - Owais Talk 15:13, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose needs more detail on what he did during those position. At the very least a sentence about what he does during his 12-year long tenure as the National President of Jamiat Ulama-e-Hind (which translates to the number one person in India's largest Muslim scholar organization). If fulfilled I'll support. --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 18:21, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    (talk) 21:03, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
    ]
    @TheAafi: Thank you! Support --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 16:03, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    @
    (talk) 00:31, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • Posted Stephen 01:57, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Leader of Boko Haram dies

Article: 
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.

 24.28.96.202 (talk) 19:59, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

  • Given multiple reports of his death in the past, there should be some kind of official confirmation before this gets posted. SpencerT•C 20:04, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Conditional Support, pending a statement by Boko Haram or other reliable confirmation. Wizardoftheyear (talk) 22:37, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • RD only We blurb him, we make him a martyr, a saint. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:22, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Didn't we blurb Osama bin Laden when he was killed? I agree that this person probably isn't blurb-worthy because his impact is limited to part of Africa, but to use "he was evil, so we shouldn't blurb him" as an excuse against the blurb just seems to be wrong IMO. 45.251.33.186 (talk) 02:08, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Not about evil, it's about infamy. You didn't have to Wikilink your example, he was already a household name in English media. With lower-tier warlords, blurbing feels like we're pushing them, spotlighting, raising awareness. And OBL's death was at least intended to make a popular president look cool. As a suicide bomber, we'd only be putting suicide bombing over. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:13, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Aight. 45.251.33.186 (talk) 08:32, 22 May 2021 (UTC) And I guess I Wikilinked Bin Laden as it's a habit for me to unnecessarily use formatting like links, bullets etc. :-P[reply]
    I'm glad you did, or I wouldn't been able to make a point out of it. Keep up the good quirks! As long as we're admitting we have problems, I sometimes arbitrarily paraphrase strange heroes of mine, that was one of Skeletor's lines. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:21, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD only The nomination of blurb by 24.28.96.202 looks like it more eligible for RD. 36.77.64.147 (talk) 23:27, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb Very notable; Boko Haram is literally ISIS/L in West Africa. Wait per Uses x, pawnkingthree, and 45.251.33.186. Fakescientist8000 (talk) 00:08, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Nigerian Army spokesman: "It’s a rumour. We are investigating it. We can only say something if we confirm it" [Reuters]. If/when they're convinced, and when the citation needed tags and article issues are resolved, I support RD only since he's not a particularly notable figure, and he'll just be replaced. Uses x (talkcontribs) 00:14, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb, RD only if confirmed. P-K3 (talk) 00:25, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Conditionally support but for RD only, once his death is confirmed as he is not significantly notable. 182.1.27.161 (talk) 01:27, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I've changed the nominated article from Boko Haram to Abubakar Shekau, which would be the RD target. Blurb remains unchanged.
  • Oppose blurb, Support RD if and when the death is confirmed by military. 45.251.33.186 (talk) 02:08, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb if his death is confirmed - Boko Haram are one of the world's largest & most active terrorist groups, who have killed thousands of people. Jim Michael (talk) 11:49, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • RD only – If confirmed only. Per Hulk, plus lack of name recognition in most of the English-speaking world. – Sca (talk) 12:25, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment There are couple more sentences that have to get fixed+sourced, after that it will look fine for an RD. --Vacant0 (talk) 12:56, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Considering that his death is still unconfirmed, should this discussion be closed and re-nominated once it is confirmed? Mlb96 (talk) 16:39, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. [17]Sca (talk) 17:34, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose until it's confirmed beyond a doubt. From the WaPo article: "The Nigerian military and regional forces have declared Shekau dead at least four times since 2009. After such announcements, Shekau released video messages, mocking the government while firing bullets into the air." Johndavies837 (talk) 18:27, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Suggest close. – Sca (talk) 21:53, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb if well known respectable people don't get blurbs, then terrorists definitely shouldn't. Oppose RD until it's actually confirmed, particularly given the comment that he's previously been incorrectly confirmed dead. I would say close this, and open or renominate once actually confirmed.... Joseph2302 (talk) 00:47, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Being well-known & respectable isn't sufficient for a blurb. Shekau is/was Africa's highest-ranking terrorist as the leader of the continent's largest & most active
terrorist group. No-one here is claiming that he was a good person, but his importance in his field can't be denied. Jim Michael (talk) 16:00, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
]

(Posted) RD: Klemen Tinal

Article: Klemen Tinal (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Radio New Zealand
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see

Nominator's comments: Incumbent vice governor of Papua. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 17:41, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

(Posted) 2021 Israel–Palestine crisis

Article: 2021 Israel–Palestine crisis (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A ceasefire is enacted during the 2021 Israel–Palestine crisis, after over 200 are killed. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A ceasefire is enacted between Israel and Hamas during the 2021 Israel–Palestine crisis, after over 200 are killed.
News source(s): AP (says 200+ dead), Reuters (says 243 dead), BBC (says 250+ dead) Guardian AlJezeera dpa NYT. – Sca (talk) 13:08, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Ceasefire has come into effect, ends the 11 day "war", as described by AP. The fact that both sides have declared victory further indicates that this round of fighting is over. starship.paint (exalt) 10:38, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support removing from ongoing and posting a blurb for the ceasefire. This is clearly a conclusion of this episode in the conflict.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 10:53, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question Should the truce be documented in a separate article that we can use as a target?--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 11:20, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    No. There's not enough to say about it, and its background section would just essentially duplicate this one. Best left as the beginning of the aftermath of the main event article. InedibleHulk (talk) 11:37, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support moving from ongoing to blurb section. Article remains high quality, news sources indicate this is a significant event worth mentioning. --Jayron32 11:26, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait This ceasefire seems less shaky than other ceasefires have, but we should maybe give it a couple of days to be sure(r). Wouldn't want to look foolish. Encyclopedias aren't papers, timeliness can relax a bit. InedibleHulk (talk) 11:42, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Whether or not the ceasefire ends at a later date, it has been declared recently, and news sources are covering it now. Waiting would mean that the story we post is not also being covered by news stories, and the primary purpose of ITN is to provide people who visit the Wikipedia main page with a Wikipedia article that elaborates on a story they are also reading about in other articles. Should the ceasefire prove ephemeral, updating the blurb is trivial and easy. --Jayron32 11:56, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Easy update, sure, but then we're left with a blurb that announces Day 13 (or whatever) of something that was already ongoing. Or we could just restore it as Ongoing. Not quite opposed to posting fast and just staying optimistic, either. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:10, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment At least the lead should be cleaned up from present tense, "so far", "have been", etc.—Bagumba (talk) 11:51, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – pending expansion of article update – This has been by far the No. 1 RS story internationally since Thursday afternoon (U.S. time). Amazing that it hasn't been posted yet. Note that Guardian leads with "World leaders have hailed (the) ceasefire." – Sca (talk) 12:57, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • There's definitely no rush to post if there's only a one line update to talk about the ceasefire. There needs to be details about that before it can go up. --Masem (t) 13:05, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
10-4. Thorough coverage at NYT. – Sca (talk) 13:08, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I've used Sca's NYT report to expand the article's coverage of the ceasefire to a full paragraph, using basically everything the NYT article had that was new information about the ceasefire itself (i.e. not merely recaps of the conflict). --Jayron32 14:38, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Jay. I stuck "– halted by a May 21 ceasefire –" into the lead. Does that work for you? – Sca (talk) 15:03, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
NYT describes Asqa Mosque incident Friday as "a small skirmish," and Reuters calls it "brief clashes." Seems your Twitter citation may be somewhat outdated. – Sca (talk) 13:51, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support It's expanded enough for my liking and it's the end of the "ongoing" event, at least for now. Uses x (talkcontribs) 14:59, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Marked attn. – Sca (talk) 22:08, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support altblurb and delist from ongoing — ceasefire appears to be holding and article appears to be good. osunpokeh (talk) 03:59, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – Still dominating int'l news on Saturday. [19] [20] [21] There's absolutely no excuse for this blurb not being in the box. – Sca (talk) 12:37, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. It's unbelievable not to be on ITN yet! MSN12102001 (talk) 12:53, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Ongoing→blurb, definitely a high-quality and well-cited article. --Vacant0 (talk) 13:01, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per Vacant0. --NoonIcarus (talk) 13:57, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support No longer appropriate for Ongoing, so let's blurb it and then let it roll off. P-K3 (talk) 14:01, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Comment – Clear consensus to post. What's the holdup? – Sca (talk) 14:46, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted, but someone should check my work as I've never posted a blurb before, only RDs. —valereee (talk) 15:00, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Australian climate strikes

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Article: 
talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Thousands of people join student-led climate strikes around Australia (Post)
News source(s): ABC News, Sydney Morning Herald, Yahoo News, BBC News

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Nominator's comments: First major climate strikes internationally since the COVID-19 pandemic JMonkey2006 (talk) 09:12, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose How is this significant compared to other protests mentioned in the article? On a procedural note, I don't see any update text for this recent item.—Bagumba (talk) 10:10, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Not seeing enough significant coverage to justify ITN right now.Jackattack1597 (talk) 10:54, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose If this strike instigates a new wave of climate-related protests around the world, then it may be worth re-considering this for posting. For now, it's merely a series of small-scale events.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 11:16, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per comment above --Vacant0 (talk) 11:27, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose routine. Uses x (talkcontribs) 15:03, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strongest oppose and
    School strike for climate article hasn't been updated at all. osunpokeh (talk) 03:54, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
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(Posted) RD: Sunderlal Bahuguna

Article: Sunderlal Bahuguna (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Times of India
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: environmentalist Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 08:22, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

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(Posted) RD: Nizamuddin Asir Adrawi

Article: Nizamuddin Asir Adrawi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Baseerat Online Urdu
Credits:

Article updated
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(Posted) RD: Ken Garland

Article: Ken Garland (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [22]
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Graphic Designer Rgm38 (talk) 21:13, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

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(Posted) RD: Len Badger

Article: Len Badger (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Sky Sports; Sheffield United
Credits:

Article updated
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WP:ITNRD.

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RD: Eric Winstanley

Article: Eric Winstanley (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Barnsley footballer Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 23:04, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

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(Posted RD) RD/Blurb: Kentaro Miura

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Article: 
mangaka, and the author of Berserk, dies at the age of 54. (Post)
News source(s): Asahi Shimbun, Le Monde, la Republica, The Sun

Credits:
Nominator's comments: Author of Berserk. Died on the 6th, announced today. Mlb96 (talk) 04:34, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Does not appear to have any unsourced statements & article is at least not a stub.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 05:28, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article of sufficient quality, no unsourced statements. Hemiauchenia (talk) 05:51, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - I am unfamiliar with this author but have seen quite a few friends mourn their passing. This article looks quite large and relatively well sourced for an article about a Japanese author. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 07:06, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD/Support blurb He was probably THE most famous living mangaka in the world, with all the implications to the ACG culture. --212.74.201.233 (talk) 07:11, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment My !vote was posted before this was made into a blurb nomination, so I will clarify that it was a support RD !vote. I tend to support RD blurbs for individuals who are at the top of their respective fields, and I'll admit that I'm a bit ignorant on the subject as someone who doesn't read manga and hasn't seen Berserk, but while it is true that it's one of the best-selling manga series of all time, there are other currently active series with significantly more sales. I'm willing to be swayed, but I'm not really sure yet.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 08:02, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD. Author of an extremely prominent manga series, and the article is a requisite quality. However, this is certainly not blurb material (with all respect for the medium as an animanga editor, very few to no manga artists are). — Goszei (talk) 08:24, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posting RD, which is currently the consesnus. --Tone 08:26, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • No blurb.  — Amakuru (talk) 08:38, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    No harm in keeping the discussion open for some more. The blurb option had only been added after the first 3 votes had already been cast, which means only two people had voted for RD and against the blurb explicitly. And I think it's deserving of blurb. At least here in Russia his death was widely reported in the mainstream media (RBK, Tass, Znak). More so than the death of Prince, for example, who was posted as blurb. 212.74.201.233 (talk) 11:29, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD/Oppose blurb Not nearly notable enough for a blurb, but I'm fine with keeping the RD nomination up. Fakescientist8000 (talk) 11:39, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I'll just throw in a few sources to show that his death is genuinely being reported fairly extensively worldwide: Le Monde, la Republica, The Sun, etc --212.74.201.233 (talk) 15:13, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • No blurb, no way - Doesn't come close to being sui generis in his field.--WaltCip-(talk) 16:25, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb Not anywhere near notable enough. RD is fine.-- P-K3 (talk) 16:28, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb Legendary mangaka, but not very notable in the grand scheme of things. (For the record, I only nominated him as RD, someone else added the blurb.) Mlb96 (talk) 16:33, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment Yeah, that was me who changed it into a blurb. And given the votes above, i guess we can close this. Oh well. 212.74.201.233 (talk) 16:53, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral on blurb I was skeptical at first, since I'm not familiar with manga, but an initial bit of research indicates that Kentaro Miura is on every single top 10 list of the greatest mangaka of all time (living or dead), and he's usually quite high up those lists, which makes this more of an argument than I initially believed. I'd argue that manga is a significant enough field for this kind of discussion as well. I'm just a little uncomfortable with his fame being derived entirely on one work, although perhaps that's just a characteristic of the manga field? NorthernFalcon (talk) 16:57, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Well, in regards to his fame being based on one work, there is a reason Homo unius libri exists as a phenomenon. For reference, I am guessing we had posted Salinger when he died in 2010? Certainly we would have posted Griboyedov if he died in our timeframe. 212.74.201.233 (talk) 17:06, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Salinger died prior to the implementation of the RD/blurb binary. Harper Lee may be a good comparison; she's at least on Salinger's level in this context. She did not get the blurb, though there was considerable support. GreatCaesarsGhost 21:40, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD It is no clear consensus who the blurb should come to be. 180.245.100.76 (talk) 22:02, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Wiranto Arismunandar

Article: Wiranto Arismunandar (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see

Nominator's comments: Minister of Education of Indonesia (1998). Requesting Spencer and PFHLai to take a look at this. Probably put this up alongside Bob Cullison (and probably Charles C. Hagemeister). Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 09:13, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

]

@
party list system, as in there's a list with numbers from one to probably a hundred so there's no competition (Wiranto is number 92). And I do not see his name in the list of parliament members, so how do I cite the absence of something as a prove that he was not elected? --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 17:23, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
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@
Jeromi Mikhael: That was a small gap. Let's not worry about it if there is no useable reference materials. Spencer's suggestion works for me. One may expect more about the outcome in another election system. --PFHLai (talk) 21:04, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
]
@Spencer:  Done thank you for reminding me for that and for posting. --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 18:24, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Charles C. Hagemeister

Article: Charles C. Hagemeister (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): KMEG; Leavenworth Times
Credits:

Article updated
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WP:ITNRD.

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(Closed) RD: Quintin Jones (prisoner)

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Article: 
talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): UPI CBS

Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Execution in Texas. The article is fully cited. Uses x (talkcontribs) 03:20, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
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RD: Paul Mooney

Article: Paul Mooney (comedian) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): TMZ, NYT, CNN
Credits:

Article updated
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(Posted) RD: Bob Cullison

Article: Bob Cullison (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Oklahoman
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Member of the Oklahoma House of Representatives and Oklahoma Senate and served as President pro tempore of the Oklahoma Senate Jon698 (talk) 23:45, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

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RD: Jesús Santrich

Article: Jesús Santrich (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): El País
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Leader of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC) NoonIcarus (talk) 09:57, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

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(Posted) RD: Gilles Lupien

Article: Gilles Lupien (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Montreal Gazette; NHL.com; The Sports Network
Credits:

Article updated
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WP:ITNRD.

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RD: Franco Battiato

Article: Franco Battiato (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Corriere Della Sera, Times of Malta
Credits:

Article updated
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Dimmi!!! 03:45, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
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(Posted) RD: Rennie Stennett

Article: Rennie Stennett (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): MLB.com; The Mercury News; Associated Press
Credits:

Article updated
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WP:ITNRD.

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(Posted) Naomi Mataʻafa becomes Prime Minister of Samoa

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Article: 
Naomi Mataʻafa (pictured).
News source(s): BBC

Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on
WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Change in head of government of UN member state due to election, albeit slightly delayed, and thus ITN/R. Target article could use some work. Can someone assist with formatting the info box? Wizardoftheyear (talk) 20:10, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

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  • Comment -- at least for countries which have transition periods before the head of government changes, we usually post that they "won the election" or similar. Couldn't the blurb just say "is declared the winner" or something to that effect? -- Rockstone[Send me a message!] 09:15, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Citation needed" tags have been added to her article. Joofjoof (talk) 22:55, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Rockstone35: Yes, it should be. I have proposed an alt blurb, see what you think. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 10:21, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm pretty much agree with altblurb2, tbh. My idea was that she would either become Prime Minister soon or that we would leave the nomination "half closed" so that we could open it once she was inaugurated, as we did something similar with the "Israel-Palestine crisis" nomination for Ongoing. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 17:24, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt III The FAST party needs to form a government before they name a prime minister. Mataʻafa is the party's leader but not PM yet. The winning party has been determined now, and we should post as such. Anything that may derail this would merit another blurb, nobody has identified a precedent to delay because of what aboutism.—Bagumba (talk) 17:35, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt III Most detailed, plus more accurate considering context based on how she is not yet PM of the country. Fakescientist8000 (talk) 00:50, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment For convenience, alt III is generally reflected in this source.—Bagumba (talk) 05:29, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support ALT3 as that gives the best context around the elections. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:13, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support altIII per above. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 13:32, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt3 Looks good to go. Hanamanteo (talk) 15:41, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted. Alt 3 per consensus--Jayron32 16:43, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Charles Grodin

Article: Charles Grodin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Fox News
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Actor Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 18:42, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

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(Posted) Cyclone Tauktae

Article: Cyclone Tauktae (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Cyclone Tauktae makes landfall in Gujarat, India as a Extremely Severe Cyclonic Storm. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Cyclone Tauktae makes landfall in India, killing 51 people and leaving 100 others missing, and forcing the evacuation of over 200,000 people.
News source(s): Mint (newspaper) Business Stardard, Yahoo! News, The Washington Post, MSN News The Weather Channel
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Really bad Cyclone in India. I have 2 blurbs, both are good for use. It has mad landfall and is weakening now. 

talk) 12:27, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
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WT:ITN. SpencerT•C 19:53, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
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talk) 16:48, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
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It means that half a dozen users involved in this nom. are members of a WikiProject whose subject is relevant to the topic nominated here.
Sca (talk) 21:52, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
He is suggesting a possible bias or proclivity to nominating and endorsing tropical cyclone articles. Given the America's Cup debacle that happened earlier this year, I can understand his suspicion. WaltCip-(talk) 18:37, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait - As a member of WP:WPTC my feeling is that we should wait for the impacts to become clearer, as it only just made landfall about 24 hours ago. However, I saw the TC on the BBC News Bulletin earlier and they say that 90 people are currently thought to be missing.Jason Rees (talk) 15:48, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose 27 deaths is not enough for a tropical cyclone to be posted. We should wait and see where the rescue operations on those ships end up. Opposing on quality as well because the most impacted area is a mere two sentences. It needs significant expansion. NoahTalk 16:11, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • "27 deaths is not enough for a tropical cyclone to be posted." [citation needed] WaltCip-(talk) 16:25, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      It very certainly is for a region where storms causing hundreds to thousands of deaths is commonplace however. Deadly tropical cyclones are often seen in South Asia. JavaHurricane 12:21, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait - The most impacted region has only two sentences. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 16:12, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt blurb, also support leaving this open for further updates if death count/other impacts are updated after posting - no reason it can't be posted now (obviously ITN eligible) and updated later, but I think that is better done by leaving this open for 24-48 hours after posting for more discussion here rather than relegating updates to ERRORS. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 17:16, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt blurb Impactful on many people, especially considering this is India, and many people will be displaced. Fakescientist8000 (talk) 17:22, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt blurb – I've been absent from ITN/C for a while, especially given some of the hostility from and toward WPTC members, but this is a pretty straightforward nomination of a high-impact storm at a terrible time for India. Article is well-sourced and fleshed out already, don't see any reason to wait. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 20:26, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt blurb – the article looks to be about the same quality as
    advisories/damages 20:33, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
    ]
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  • Comment – Users Cyclonebiskit and CodingCyclone are members of WikiProject Tropical cyclones. – Sca (talk) 21:52, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • So what? Respond to their arguments. Are you going to start tattling on British editors when they support British topics? Zagalejo (talk) 23:27, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • If British users pushed blurbs about brexit for the 80 quintillionth time, they would be denied. ITN is not a place for bias, and a flow of editors from WPTC coming to support the biggest storm of the time probably counts as bias. This kind of thing happens just about every time a cyclone passes 15 deaths, and is pretty counter-productive. Gex4pls (talk) (lack of contributions) 00:59, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        • @Gex4pls: I don't think WPTC can win here as we create decent articles for tropical cyclones impacting land and people nominate them for WP:ITN independently of WPTC. WPTC members then come along and give their thoughts on the system reaching the main page by either supporting or opposing the system and have a lot of crap thrown at us including accusations of biasness, timing our nominations and gaming the system. Some of it is deserved, but some of it isn't especially since we have tried to work with you guys to figure out some criteria for when TC's should go up.Jason Rees (talk) 01:13, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
          • @Jason Rees:It's only some certain members who do it, but there are certainly other motives. I don't think any criteria can ever be made for these kinds of things, as everything is different. A tropical storm that kills a single person would never get on ITN, but depending on who that person is or what kind of damage is done it might be. However, from what I've seen a lot of WPTC members just hop onto ITN on the rare occasion that a storm is doing damage. That's fine, but I'd rather some real insight be given in votes, instead of "this storm is going to/doing major damage! I can't see how anyone could oppose this! I don't think anyone is using any kind of strategy here to cheat the system, it's just a whole lot of people with similar interests who all have the same idea whenever a storm is doing damage. Gex4pls (talk) (lack of contributions) 01:27, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
          • @Gex4pls: Well WPTC is going through a lot of changes at the moment, that I hope will eventually lead to us identifying which tropical cyclones/weather events are truly noteworthy of being put up on WP:ITN while providing the evidence outside of news reports to prove our case. However, this will take time and a lot more TC nominations by editors, who I will try and encourage to justify their statements.Jason Rees (talk) 02:24, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Okay. Honestly, what does this mean? Notice that I opposed the last tropical cyclone nominaton on grounds of quality. I am not interested in supporting every nomination there is. I certainly don't want to ram through TCs because they are TCs. I just want to support what deserves to go on ITN. If you're worried about me only commenting on TC candidates, that's becuase that's what I'm interested in. (I have Tauktae on my watchlist, and I'm not very sure about my skills when looking at other candidates that I don't know much about.) I'm only asking why you've decided to compile lists of the !voters who are part of WPTC. I can understand your concern because of the America's Cup debacle, but I don't really understand your line of reasoning when doing this, so could you please clarify for me? Thanks. (please ping on reply)
    advisories/damages 05:38, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • Oppose I was affected by this storm (I live in Mumbai) and honestly speaking, this is not getting the amount of coverage from RSs that we'd expect for a system that gets to ITN. I might reconsider should the death toll rise significantly, however. JavaHurricane 02:44, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: To add onto what JavaHurricane said, I'm honestly surprised there is such a small amount of coverage of a storm this big. But even on Indian news sites like The Times of India, The Hindu, and Gujarat Samachar, the front page is dominated by Covid news, with only one or two mentions of the storm.  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 05:13, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – RS coverage Wednesday centers on 22 deaths in sinking of barge. [24] [25]Sca (talk) 12:04, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Switched to oppose. It's not meeting the RS coverage necessary for a disaster of this type.--WaltCip-(talk) 12:32, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose There are two {{citation needed}} tags in the article. Hanamanteo (talk) 12:34, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Given how this is being treated by the media, this seems to be given the same type of weight as torandoes that may hit in the midwest US - they happen, people may die, but there are larger disasters that generally get larger coverage in that region of the world. I'm certainly seeing coverage from Western sources but not what I'd expect for a storm considered impactful in India (even from India-based sources), which is rather odd. It could be that most of what live may be lost were from offshore boats caught in the storm and very little landfall deaths, or that right now, India's trying to rein in COVID. I'm not saying we can't post, but we should be aware that relative to all other types of hurricanes, typhons, and major storms of this nature, this is getting a footnote's treatment --Masem (t) 12:52, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Notable and 2nd strongest cyclone in history of Gujarat where it made landfall. Article needs some work, update and expansion but it is good enough to go ahead with minor cleanups. -Nizil (talk) 16:58, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Consensus in favor of posting. Some opposition related to relative lack of coverage in some reliable sources, but there is demonstrable coverage in international media commensurate with other items that are posted here, as well as a death toll (51) also commensurate with other "typical ITN" items. CN tags have been resolved. SpencerT•C 20:04, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • PP Comment – Given the scale of dead and missing, that seems reasonable. TNX. – Sca (talk) 21:56, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Rajendrasinh Jadeja

Article: Rajendrasinh Jadeja (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: former cricketer and referee Abishe (talk) 07:29, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

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May 17

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Business and economy

  • IPO of between US$35 and 40 billion, Gojek claims that it is the country's largest business deal. (CNBC)

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Science and technology


(Posted) RD: Ki. Rajanarayanan

Article: Ki. Rajanarayanan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Tamil folklorist. Sahitya Akademi Award recipient. Article requires some work, but, should be doable. I will get to this shortly, unless, someone else wants to take a pass before me. Edits done. Article has shaped to a decent C-class biography. Meets hygiene expectations for homepage / RD. RIP. Ktin (talk) 01:32, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

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(Posted) Darwin's Arch collapses

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Blurb: Darwin's Arch collapses due to natural erosion. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Darwin's Arch, a rock formation in the Galápagos Islands, collapses due to natural erosion.
News source(s): CNN, NYT
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Article updated

 Davey2116 (talk) 20:54, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose: so what? Interesting-looking rock formation broke. Not too notable. osunpokeh (talk) 21:38, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose Given that they are not chalking this up to climate change but natural erosion, and that that article seems rather underdeveloped if it is such an unusual rock formation (yes, it is UNESCO, but that's not necessarily making it unique), I'd have to oppose this. I would encourage a possible DYK if more can be written to expand the article. --Masem (t) 21:43, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    The article was already in DYK in 2015, see Template:Did you know nominations/Darwin's Arch. Regards SoWhy 12:23, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – Anyone been around
    ITN/C long enough to know if the '08 collapse of Wall Arch in the U.S. Arches National Park was posted? – Sca (talk) 22:09, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
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  • Oppose. "Rock falls over" isn't notable.  Nixinova T  C   23:27, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Support primarily because the arch is a UNESCO World Heritage Site, and I think that gives it sufficient significance. NorthernFalcon (talk) 03:46, 19 May 2021 (UTC) While a number of news sources stated that the arch was a UNESCO world heritage site, upon investigation it turns out they were referring to the entire Galapagos archipelago, not this arch specifically. As such, I'm reducing to a weak support. NorthernFalcon (talk) 04:10, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, it's not often that a notable rock feature collapses and this is certainly in the news. Also per Joofjoof's reply above. -- Tavix (talk) 03:57, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per Tavix. The arch is pretty well-known and recognizable. Banedon (talk) 04:51, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support A notable rock formation undergoes significant and permanent destruction. It's connection and links to Galapagos and Darwin serve as an excellent springboard to lead readers to other encyclopedic topics. This is the sort of quirky news that suits ITN. The article is well composed and referenced, if a little short.130.233.213.199 (talk) 04:59, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality I expect updated articles to be in good shape if the blurb itself is not front-page material. The article conveys neither the significance of the arch nor the impact of its collapse.—Bagumba (talk) 06:06, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    A bit improved.—Bagumba (talk) 18:39, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment -- I really wish this could be included in RD, because in a way, it is a death, but I'm not sure if it should be a blurb. Alas. -- Rockstone[Send me a message!] 06:12, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Excellent ITN material of high encyclopedic value and we also posted the collapse of Azure Window as a similar structure four years ago.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:44, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support A lot of people have seen this shape, if not know its name, RIP. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:17, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. A well known site. The people on a boat cruise to view the arch got their money's worth. 331dot (talk) 10:20, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support A marginal article in terms of depth, topic is being covered marginally by reliable sources. I would not object to posting this, but I'm not too upset if we don't either. --Jayron32 12:10, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support – Ditto per Jayron. Not terribly significant but moderately interesting – and not blood & gore. (Is a post-collapse photo avail?) – Sca (talk) 12:19, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article looks good, and it is a notable looking rock, Azure Window was posted a couple of years ago so I think that this can go through too. --Vacant0 (talk) 12:25, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment: if its possible, can this article get expanded in the future? --Vacant0 (talk) 12:26, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Article has not improved since I opposed for quality. Me thinks people want the picture on the MP.—Bagumba (talk) 12:51, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
With this type of natural, non-disastrous event, there may not be that much to say about it beyond what-when-why-with what result. But I do think a post-collapse pic would be essential to telling the story. – Sca (talk) 13:17, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I suppose it will be diffucult to get a free photo, since the area is rather remote. Unless there is some government agency taking photos that get to public domain. The Azure Window was a tourist spot, a rather different story. I wonder how much content there could be added to the article? The basics are there. --Tone 13:39, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I was referring to people wanting the picturesque shot in the nom, not a post-collapse shot.—Bagumba (talk) 13:54, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
there may not be that much to say: Not true. The CNN and NYT articles in the nom have lots of info missing from the WP page. No mention that it's a
UNESCO World Heritage site, and surely there must be more on the factors that earned it selection. NYT says there's been warnings for years about the impact of global warming on erosion. This page is barely a stub, which we typically might only overlook for a blurb if the page was fast being expanded. It's not for lack of material.—Bagumba (talk) 13:51, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
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Let's see, how many words do they say a picture is worth? – Sca (talk) 16:18, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the World Heritage Site refers to the entire archipelago, not only to this particular rock formation. Otherwise, I agree that there is room for improvement. --Tone 13:59, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The NYT mention of global warming was about the region in general, not specifically regarding erosion.—Bagumba (talk) 02:00, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I've struck my oppose above after adding a few sentences on being a tourist destination. I'm neutral on a post. At least a casual reader is now less likely to come away with "so what?" from the short article.—Bagumba (talk) 18:39, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Stephen 02:14, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • PP comment – Upon reflection, the pre-collapse pic looks fine. – Sca (talk) 13:25, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Torreón massacre

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Mexican President apologized for the first time for the Torreón massacre, which killed over 300 Asian Mexicans. (Post)
News source(s): (Associated Press)

Credits:

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 -- love.wh 14:16, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nominator's comment: First time the Mexican government publicly acknowledge and apologize for the atrocities of Torreón massacre. -- love.wh 14:21, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose an apology for something that happened 110 years ago isn't significant in the scale of things. Jbvann05 17:11, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Out of interest, when should the apology happen for it to be consider "significant in the scale of things"? -- love.wh 17:49, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • My point was more of that an apology isn't very significant, and the action happening 110 years ago makes it even less significant. Jbvann05 19:06, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Obama apologized for Hiroshima and that wasn't considered significant. I fail to see how this is significant. NoahTalk 17:20, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I just have a look of the Japanese news coverage of the Obama's apology tour - it was a huge event in Japan. Having said that, I do feel the US public did not consider either the nuclear bombing itself or the apology afterwards to be significant. -- love.wh 17:49, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - The public apology from Mexico is a timely significant event when hate crimes are rising In the US during this COVID-19 pandemic. STSC (talk) 18:14, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Just wondering, did we even post to ITN anything related to hate crimes in the U.S. during the COVID-19 pandemic (besides the Floyd protests)? osunpokeh (talk) 21:33, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as per Hurricane Noah above: people have apologized for far worse war crimes, but it's not news. osunpokeh (talk) 21:32, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – Historical footnote that smacks of politix. – Sca (talk) 22:11, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, apologies for historical internal affairs aren't very notable. Also
    WP:NOTRGW.  Nixinova T  C   23:25, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
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  • Oppose. Great for DYK, not for ITN. MSN12102001 (talk) 14:19, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Not notable, but it could be good for DYK, though.Jackattack1597 (talk) 16:53, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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RD: K. K. Aggarwal (cardiologist)

Article: K. K. Aggarwal (cardiologist) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Times of India
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Winner of the fourth highest civilian award the Padma Shri Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 14:03, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

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(Stale) Tigray War

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Article: Tigray War (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times, CNN, BBC, The Guardian
Credits:
Nominator's comments: The Tigray War is "in the news" right now, with most sources calling it a genocide in all but name. As it is in the news, we ought to add it to our ongoing line, since there is no obvious blurb for it, although if someone wants to try and come up with a blurb that would be fine with me. NorthernFalcon (talk) 21:23, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: The only update from May that I see in the article is the following unsourced line: "On 3 May 2021, in London, England, Eritreans and Ethiopians attended a "Peaceful Rally" supporting the actions of the federal Ethiopian government." From what I can tell, it doesn't look like it meets the "continuously updated" criteria needed for Ongoing unless there is a different target article. SpencerT•C 04:31, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Having followed this since January (full disclosure, I have investments that depend on the outright resolution of this conflict), absolutely nothing has changed. It's been months of declarations by each side against one another, and a bunch of innocent civilians used as fodder "as necessary". With no substantial updates, I oppose. - Floydian τ ¢ 04:50, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose As pointed out above: not ongoing. {{Disputed}} orange tag in After the capture of Mekelle.130.233.213.199 (talk) 05:47, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Not updated enough, there's a disputed tag, and "Protests by the diaspora" needs tidying. Even if it gets updated right now, I'm not convinced it'd stay that way. Uses x (talkcontribs) 17:51, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – As a topic, it's a murky mess, unfortunately. – Sca (talk) 22:13, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) 2021 Israel–Palestine crisis

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Article: 2021 Israel–Palestine crisis (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): (BBC), (Al Jazeera)
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Pre-emptive nom as the article will be next to be bumped. Front page news pretty much everywhere. Should not be moved to ongoing until bumped. Albertaont
  • Support Heat's obviously rising. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:18, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, but only post when the article is bumped of course. osunpokeh (talk) 03:55, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • I should have clarified, to post to ongoing after bump. Albertaont (talk) 04:59, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support completely reasonable to continue there. --Masem (t) 04:00, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support absolutely in the news and definitely ongoing. Jbvann05 04:21, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: I was gonna nominate this myself but you beat me to it. For the past few days news about Israel/Palestine has been at the top of major news services including the New York Times, BBC, Reuters, Associated Press, Deutsche Welle, Le Figaro, Al Jazeera, and Haaretz (obviously).  Bait30  Talk 2 me pls? 05:15, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Conditionally support when the blurb about it is fallen out into use. In addition, it gets a much more international coverage than usual. 182.1.62.161 (talk) 07:42, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support It’s indisputable. I think it’s one of the ongoing nominations that I will support the most. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 08:14, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Still in the headlines JW 1961 Talk 09:31, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Definitely needs to be ongoing since the tensions are escalating --Vacant0 (talk) 10:23, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Very impactful on geo-politics almost universally. Fakescientist8000 (talk) 10:44, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Ongoing, because it goes on and on. KittenKlub (talk) 10:59, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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May 16

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Arts and culture

Disasters and accidents

  • Two people are killed and at least 100 others are injured when a tiered seating structure collapses at a partly-built synagogue in Giv'at Ze'ev, in the West Bank. (BBC News)

Health and environment

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Sports


(Posted) RD: M. S. Narasimhan

Article: M. S. Narasimhan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): News 18
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see
WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian mathematician. Article is not ready for homepage / RD as of yet. I will get to it later tonight. If someone wants to get to this before me, please do so. Edits done. Turned out to be more intense than I assumed. A life well-lived. Glad to have spent the effort in building the article. RIP. Article is ready for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 17:58, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply

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2020–21 UEFA Women's Champions League

Article: 
final.
News source(s): ESPN

Credits:

Nominator's comments: As per ITN/R woman's sports events are also posted Jbvann05 04:38, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Bruno Covas

Template:ITN candidate

  • Support article meets quality requirements. NorthernFalcon (talk) 18:40, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Good enough. I wanted to nominate it myself, but I had no time to update it.--
    Dimmi!!! 23:02, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
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  • PostedBagumba (talk) 06:22, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Rajeev Satav

Template:ITN candidate

  • Comment. Needs a thorough copy-edit if it is going to be posted. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 00:22, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality for now--four citation needed tags, and another paragraph that should have a citation needed tag given its complete lack of citations. NorthernFalcon (talk) 18:38, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD: New Jack

Template:ITN candidate

  • Support Looks good to me. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 14:17, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose at least eight CN tags, the section "Return to professional wrestling (2016-2021)" without any reference, as well as many paragraphs. For now it is not ready in any way. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 21:05, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait An unusual and interesting bio, by wrestling standards, but still verified in the stereotypical blurry style. I've seen worse get better. Some stay sketchy forever. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:01, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now, as I counted nine citation needed tags. Should be fine once quality concerns are taken care of. NorthernFalcon (talk) 18:37, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Calls for clemency for Quintin Jones

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(Posted) RD: Jim Clendenen

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(Posted) RD: George Little (New Brunswick politician)

Template:ITN candidate

  • Support Would like a little more on his political career besides his views on nuclear power, but given that he wasn't elected in multiple years and overall had a pretty short career, what's there is adequate and meets minimum standards. SpencerT•C 19:06, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support What's there is cited, article meets quality standard. NorthernFalcon (talk) 19:35, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 19:44, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Sunil Jain

Template:ITN candidate

  • Comment. Please can I request a pair of eyes on this nom. I believe this meets hygiene expectations for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 17:54, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support Brief but meets minimum standards. SpencerT•C 18:53, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Stephen 06:24, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) New Isotope - Uranium-214

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Ah. Good to note for the future. Thanks for that fix!
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Actually, you are right. This was last month. I made a mistake and was thought they all were "May 14/15" since Sci-News put it out today. I withdraw the ITN nomination.
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no worries, we all make mistakes. i actually appreciate the nomination as it was something i was interested in, but didn't catch a month ago. dying (talk) 03:29, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Đorđe Marjanović

Template:ITN candidate

  • Support Well sourced, long enough and interesting article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elserbio00 (talkcontribs) 19:31, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • COmment - it's in pretty good shape, just one uncited claim about "Rokeri Đorđu Marjanoviću" in the legacy section.  — Amakuru (talk) 21:16, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • I added a citation for that sentence, thank you for noticing that. --Vacant0 (talk) 21:21, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted. Thanks for adding the cite.  — Amakuru (talk) 21:29, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Leicester win FA Cup

Template:ITN candidate

  • Weak oppose Conditional supportArticle seems decent, but the FA cup is not in ITNR and I fail to see a compelling reason to post it.Jackattack1597 (talk) 18:26, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Now that it looks like it is not going to SNOW like I feared, I am willing to support if there is prose added on the match itself.Jackattack1597 (talk) 22:44, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support in principle but obviously the match itself needs a write-up.This is the oldest cup competition in world football and although not ITN/R, is significant enough in my view. (Also no team before Leicester has had to wait until their fifth attempt to win a final, which is an interesting angle.) P-K3 (talk) 18:37, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Full support now that prose is sufficient. P-K3 (talk)
  • Conditional Support per P-K3 - prose needed for the match. Although not ITNR, I think it is significant as the oldest football competition in the world JW 1961 Talk 20:43, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Prose has now been added so no further concerns here (it really needed that magical level of inspiration) JW 1961 Talk 22:02, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Raimund Hoghe

Template:ITN candidate

  • Support When citation added to "Productions" section, otherwise looks ready for RD JW 1961 Talk 09:36, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I added the page from his official website. Some productions are also mentioned in other refs, but no list of that detail. I still think it's reliable. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:13, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good, thank you JW 1961 Talk 16:12, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Some works not covered in the single refs provided. (e.g. 1989: Forbidden Fruit and 1990: Vento) do not appear in the given ref here. Should be covered by other refs. SpencerT•C 18:56, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    tried --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:09, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 00:20, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Tianwen-1

Template:ITN candidate

  • Support as notable, and article seems to be of high quality. -- Rockstone[Send me a message!] 03:09, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Slight blurb change. This was the landing of a smaller craft that includes a rover, which will be deployed in a few weeks from now. The lander is not the named "Tiawen-1" craft that reached orbit a few months ago. --Masem (t) 03:10, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    The little guy is named Zhurong, has six wheels, used to be a fire god. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:58, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    And just to note, they have not offloaded Zhurong yet, which they consider another mission milestone, though that sounds less of a concern given the payload landed safely on Mars. --Masem (t) 14:53, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support atlblurb but wait The article is in good shape, but still light on the landing details. We should wait until that gets fully updated, since thats the real ITN. Albertaont (talk) 04:41, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The lead of the article has been updated but not the body, which still says "planned on occur on 14 May 2021. P-K3 (talk) 07:49, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I have copy-edited the content. STSC (talk) 13:48, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Good article, ITN/R event. --Aknell4 (talkcontribs) 13:00, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb with added named Zhurong rover. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:08, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - The article should be ready. STSC (talk) 13:43, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - But maybe consider remvoing the link the mars landing article as it seems underdeveloped. –DMartin 14:18, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support looks alright to me, gj! --Vacant0 (talk) 15:37, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posting. --Tone 16:11, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Edit the blurb to reflect a more nuanced, yet still factually accurate reading of the situation; that the CNSA's Tianwen-1 mission successfully lands its Zhurong rover on Mars. As alluded to by editors above me, "Tianwen-1" is the name of the mission, not the spacecraft, of which the orbiter and lander are unnamed except for the Zhurong rover. As far as I understand, we italicize the names of individual spacecraft and vehicles, and not the names of intangible concepts such as missions. — Molly Brown (talk) 20:06, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Though the rover itself has not yet been deployed, only the lander-rover payload. --Masem (t) 22:32, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Updated image If possible, please update banner with the image from article. Albertaont (talk) 03:49, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Template:Re If you are referring to the one in the infobox, it's a non-free image with a rationale for that page. It wouldn't apply to the Main Page.—Bagumba (talk) 06:51, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
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(Posted) RD: Farooq Qaiser

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(Posted) RD: Jay Barbree

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(Posted) RD: Kenneth Mayhew

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(Posted) RD: David McPhail

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(Posted) RD: Abel Murrieta Gutiérrez

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Penpa Tsering

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(Posted) RD:Indu Jain

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(Posted) RD: Seamus Deane

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(Posted) RD: Spencer Silver

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(Posted) RD: Bob Koester

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  • Support Neat, short but suitable for RD JW 1961 Talk 18:14, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment -
    Template:Ping just a query about this sentence in the lead: Template:Xt The claim about it being the world's largest such store doesn't appear to be in the body, or indeed cited. I'm also having trouble parsing the last part of that sentence. Is the record store in Irving Park (specializing in blues and jazz) a separate institution from the Jazz Record Mart? If so, that is also not AFAIK mentioned in the body or cited. CHeers  — Amakuru (talk) 21:49, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
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(Posted) RD: Lester L. Wolff

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(Posted) RD: Serge Bouchard

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  • Comment article has been expanded from stub-size. PotentPotables (talk) 02:49, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support – 10 entries in the "Works" are unsourced, but the rest of the article is well-referenced. —Bloom6132 (talk) 08:36, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Template:Ping I actually finished the referencing of all those works 10 minutes after you posted this, but I've only just seen your comment now! Myself, AleatoryPonderings and PotentPotables have also worked on adding more detail to the Career section. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 21:44, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
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(Posted) RD: Norman Lloyd

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Ballymurphy massacre

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  • Oppose – Historical note half a century after the fact; lacking wider significance. – Sca (talk) 22:12, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - I don't see much British news covering it (although I'm checking the BBC from over here in America). -- Rockstone[Send me a message!] 22:14, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Ultimately it's just a correction for the historical record. The result isn't particularly eventful or surprising, and no prosecutions, etc, are planned to come from it. Uses x (talkcontribs) 23:25, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - 10 innocent people were found unlawfully shot by the British Army. This is absolutely significant news, doesn't matter when it happened. STSC (talk) 20:10, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support If the Brereton Report can be posted, don't see a reason to oppose this - article looks fine. Gotitbro (talk) 21:36, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Hard to see how this is significant or important or, frankly, even interesting. Mlb96 (talk) 02:56, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    It is interesting -- I imagine particularly interesting for those involved in the Troubles, but I don't think it's ITN worthy. -- Rockstone[Send me a message!] 03:50, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support So a first-world government admits that it murdered its own citizens, and the argument here is that it is insignificant specifically because of the length of time that government lied about it? GreatCaesarsGhost 20:07, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose What's the impact in the present day? An apology from BoJo isn't enough. Maybe if they put the soldiers on trial it'll be significant enough. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:31, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Manchester City win the 2020–21 Premier League season

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I'm inclined to post it but the last person to assess a consensus got improperly accused of abusing the admin tools so I'm frankly not sure I want to go there with this nomination. Is there a second for posting this? 331dot (talk) 11:03, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Correction: the last time an admin posted against consensus, it was correctly called out. Don't start again 331dot, defending the indefensible again is not a good look for anyone, let alone an admin. You should know better. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:01, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait - When Man City are presented with the Premier League trophy officially (after their final game on 23 May). STSC (talk) 12:19, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait Post on May 23rd after the official trophy presentation.Jackattack1597 (talk) 16:44, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support this isn't "in the old news from a couple of weeks ago". Deary me, the meaning of "NEWS" is that it's NEW and it's being currently reported and commented on. Waiting for trophy to be awarded renders this a report about items that are not in the news. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 20:50, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: "Every entry applies to the conclusion of the men's and women's events in the tournament or series" per
    WP:ITNSPORTS. Please note the word "conclusion". STSC (talk) 12:47, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
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    No, you please note the
    purpose of ITN, point #1: Template:Xt Manchester City winning the news is in the news *now*. Or at least it was when this was nominated, before all this ridiculous Wikilawyering pedantry held the posting up. Sorry if this seems like I'm not mincing my words, but I'm really annoyed about what's happened here, for something that doesn't serve readers and doesn't serve the editors who've put in the work to get this article up to scratch.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:01, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
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If you post it as an ITN/R event, then follow it's rules. Believe me, when Man City lift the trophy, there will be bigger news all over the place. STSC (talk) 13:18, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Not at all. Maybe in lesser developed countries where news is slow to travel, but City have already been declared as winners, the headlines have been and are going. We’re missing the ITN boat here. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 13:33, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted. Consensus narrowly in favor to post at this point. Concerns about international notability and article not being updated have since been addressed or were unfounded. SpencerT•C 15:06, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Colt Brennan

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  • Support article seems well developed. –DMartin 21:38, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Outstanding citation tags.—Bagumba (talk) 04:37, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Support Referencing improved and sufficient.
    Template:Re Doing a mass ping as one more day before this is stale and it might get lost on the bottom here. Pardon the interruption.—Bagumba (talk) 06:16, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
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  • Posted Stephen 06:20, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Kazan school shooting

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  • Support Absolutely in the news. I expect those who supported two-digit death toll in USA shootings to also support this. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 09:42, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
What about those who spit bile and venom at two-digit death toll shootings in the USA? You know Russia is a different country, on a different continent right? Maybe you should try to stay focused --LaserLegs (talk) 10:46, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Gratuitously contentious. – Sca (talk) 15:44, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Support now that article is good enough. This is an uncommon event, and therefore ITN worthy. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:37, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It makes it less notable than if it were carried out by a terrorist group, but I think it still notable enough for ITN. Jim Michael (talk) 16:33, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support As of now, the article is ready. And per nom, school shootings in Russia, particularly the deadly ones, are relatively rare. Brandmeistertalk 16:26, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - we would not post this if it happened in the US. We should not post it just because it happened elsewhere. --Rockstone[Send me a message!] 16:54, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm afraid that argument is deeply flawed and I suspect you know it. There are plenty of instances where mass shootings outside the US are much more notable (like almost all of them) because the frequency with which they occur in the United States is far higher than almost any other country in the universe. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 17:01, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    We don't get mass shootings of 9 people that often here, though. I just don't see anything that makes this notable beyond that it took place in a country where mass shootings aren't as common. -- Rockstone[Send me a message!] 22:16, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Mass shootings, as you know, happen in the US practically every day. This is not just about the numbers, this is about the infrequency and the numbers. But you knew that. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:14, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Very few mass shootings in the US (or anywhere) kill 9 people. I'm just saying that if we wouldn't consider this shooting notable in the US, it shouldn't be notable elsewhere. -- Rockstone[Send me a message!] 21:42, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    That doesn't make any sense. We have plenty of examples of mass shootings in the US which go way beyond nine deaths, but very few indeed elsewhere. You know that. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:31, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    The sad truth is that school shootings happen way more often in the United States than anywhere else in the world. A school shooting that kills 9 people in the context of the US isn't notable, but in the context of Russia, a country with relatively few school shootings, it is very notable. It made international news, so I would say it's notable. --Aknell4 (talkcontribs) 15:12, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I wish things were different in the United States but there have been more mass shootings this year than in Russia since the dissolution of the Soviet Union.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 17:07, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted. SpencerT•C 18:42, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting support Good enough quality-wise now.-- P-K3 (talk) 19:37, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • PP Comment – Not entirely convinced happening in Russia made it major. Oh well. – Sca (talk) 22:15, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: please add more depressing events to ITN. 2601:602:9200:1310:91B9:30F0:652:3D3B (talk) 08:53, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
If you would like to see more "positive" events posted, please develop articles about such an event in the news and nominate them. 331dot (talk) 08:55, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
We seem to get these amusing comments on a semi-regular basis. Are you saying we should ignore fatal events? The world is a messy place and ITN correctly reflects it. --BorgQueen (talk) 17:16, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Dennis Joseph

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  • Comment - I've had a go at whipping this into shape, so any comments or suggestions welcome please. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 20:39, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Nice job updating, well sourced (even has the filmography fully sourced) JW 1961 Talk 22:28, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – well-referenced; meets minimum ITN requirements. —Bloom6132 (talk) 22:40, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 20:50, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: S. A. E. Nababan

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  • Support Good depth of coverage, AGF on the sources, referenced. SpencerT•C 17:54, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support definitely good enough for RD. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:01, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose One-sentence lead too short. Even missing the country per
    MOS:CONTEXTBIO.—Bagumba (talk) 06:25, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
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Template:Re Hi Bagumba, thank you for your input, I have expanded the lead. --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 09:39, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
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Striking my "oppose"—Bagumba (talk) 09:43, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: James Dean (footballer)

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  • Comment: I've added some more on circumstances surrounding his death. There doesn't look to be much more that can be added, it looks just about long enough for RD now. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:14, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support It's short, but per above there's probably not much more to say.-- P-K3 (talk) 13:11, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Information on the page seems to be well-cited even though its short, seems good.--Vacant0 (talk) 16:05, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted  — Amakuru (talk) 21:43, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Pulled) Colonial pipeline

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  • Oppose I was ready to support this based on the blurb, but that's not what happened at all. Their IT systems were hit by malware and as a precaution they shut down their industrial control systems. In that regard, it's not really notable it's the internet equivalent of checking for unlocked doors. Targeted attacks on industrial control systems I would support. --LaserLegs (talk) 13:27, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    The gas shortage that since transpired is the bigger news now.—Bagumba (talk) 01:23, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose + per LaserLegs, single entities being hit by a cyberattack (regardless of means) is far too narrow for ITN. We'd be focused on something on a far more massive scale like the
    2017 cyberattacks on Ukraine (which also hit numerous orgs outside Ukraine). --Masem (t) 13:30, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
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  • Oppose - Overblown.--WaltCip-(talk) 14:56, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose poor stub, story is not of particular note. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 16:44, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Update I was just listening to the latest BBC report. They said that the main pipeline is still shut, that there is no date yet for resumption and that President Biden has declared a state of emergency. This seems to be a bigger deal than the current top blurbs -- the bombing of a school and the collapse of a bridge. The latter was a week ago now so, as usual, ITN is not keeping up with what's actually in the news. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:24, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Actually, at least part of the problem is that it's a crap stub. And I don't recall standards for inclusion being on a sliding scale depending on the age of the material in the ITN template, but perhaps I missed that discussion and community consensus. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 20:43, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This is a big deal given the circumstances. It has the potential to economically impact the US -- -- Rockstone[Send me a message!] 17:43, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support for having significant coverage in the news. Einsof (talk) 00:54, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This has resulted in a formal state of emergency, so I think WP:N is well satisfied here. The article is okay.130.233.213.199 (talk) 05:39, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment this has already dropped out of the top eleven news stories on BBC News' world homepage. If this happened in any other country on planet Earth it'd just be an inconvenience, but in the US it's a "state of emergency". Give us strength. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 07:48, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    There are now four other US-related stories ahead of this one on the BBC News world homepage. Then you have "Americans panic-buying gas". Wow. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:17, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    On the other hand, it's currently (see my timestamp) the top story at BBC's US & Canada News page. ---Sluzzelin talk 09:23, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Rambling Man's comment. Just a minor disturbance, gas price hike is common. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 16:46, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose if this wasn't in the US, this nom would have been snow closed by now. No evidence that it is important enough for ITN, or that there will be any lasting impact (for more than a few days) of it. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:59, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't know how you can say this. It would absolutely be posted if this happened in another developed country. -- Rockstone[Send me a message!] 03:42, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nobody can prove anything, this is all people manifesting the biases that exist in their head into something tangible.
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Not daft at all.
Consensus can change. STSC (talk) 22:26, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
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Um, but consensus hasn't changed!!!! You already supported and there's still no consensus to post. Duh. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 07:09, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
To my knowledge, we didn't post the toilet paper shortage, did we? WaltCip-(talk) 22:27, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Seriously, which commodity is more important to you? Like the toilet paper shortage, panic buying gas worsens impact of Colonial Pipeline hack - STSC (talk) 22:50, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Panic!! I can't drive my gas guzzling car!! Meanwhile tens of thousands of people a day are dying of Covid. Talk about "inconvenience"! The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 07:09, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
If you have a covid related nomination to make, please do. 331dot (talk) 08:18, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know if you're being deliberately challenging here, I mean defending supervoting from an admin is one thing, but of course the use of Covid here is to provide some context for the relative significance of this story. A few Americans can't make a 500-mile round trip to pick up a Wendys. Big deal. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:33, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Just like the politicians used to say, "Crisis? What crisis?" - STSC (talk) 22:59, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Re-post w/ alt blurb II The gas shortage is the bigger news now, days later after the initial nomination from news of the shutdown. Alt II corrects early "opposes" that the cyberattack directly shutdown the pipeline, when the pipeline company proactively shut it down after to contain the attack. The gas impact is specifically to the Southeast. Par for the course, any U.S.-related nomination riles up "global impact" debates and "single country" opposes about a country of 300+M people. The pulls were mostly procedural and not outright opposes.—Bagumba (talk) 01:49, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • It is a first world inconvenience, which we really do not post. No one's lives are at stack (as the case would be if it were a winter storm or wildfires). --Masem (t) 02:24, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • But you also opposed a winter storm outage in the US, which consensus ended up to post. (Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/February_2021#(Posted)_February_13–17_winter_storm_(Winter_Storm_Uri)). Perhaps you meant "United States inconvenience", not "first world".—Bagumba (talk) 02:57, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        • I would in fact be even more careful about posting stories about "inconveniences" in the U.S., because the US media tends to have a way of blowing these stories up beyond unnecessary coverage, when there are people that live in condition far worse year-round. In contrast, this story is also comparable to the Suez Canal blockage, and while that was an "inconvenience" it has far more direct financial and international impact to make it appropriate to post. --Masem (t) 13:30, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
          • All the deaths we post are an "inconvenience". Life goes on, right? But use the term at your convenience.—Bagumba (talk) 13:47, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The Nominator seem to ask several people to vote here, anyway I am also with Rambling Man's comment.
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  • oppose. from what i can tell, this story has three parts: the hack, the shutdown, and the panic. my nonexpert opinion leads me to believe that the hack itself does not seem notable enough, being apparently a routine cybersecurity attack that had neither the sophistication of stuxnet, nor the widespread nature of the bear attack, nor the informational repercussions of equifax. the shutdown does not appear to be notable enough, with the pipeline being restarted in under a week, and the supply chain likely to be fully restored within a few days. the panic may be unusual, but, like the toilet paper panic, it has caused no deaths, injuries, or major incidents that i am currently aware of. however, if the shortage caused by the panic continues long after the supply chain has been fully restored, i think this might be worth a blurb. in addition, i fear that poor storage of hoarded gasoline may lead to a future tragedy that may be notable enough to post on itn, in which case, this hack could be referenced in the subsequent disaster blurb. dying (talk) 12:15, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Template:Tq: Sigh. ITN always circles back to deaths.—Bagumba (talk) 13:22, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
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    Yes, that seems to be the problem here – that there's no bodycount. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:41, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    it's not just the lack of a body count. it's just that it seems that no major incidents have actually happened yet as a result of the shortage. in addition, consumption of gasoline is presumably lower than normal due to the pandemic, and it has become more socially acceptable to replace many things that would have previously required the consumption of gasoline with something virtual instead. as a result, even if such a shortage would have usually had a big impact, i suspect that the pandemic has mitigated the shortage's effect.
    the uncontrolled chinese rocket would crash, even though that incident did not seem worthy of nomination. dying (talk) 15:16, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
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  • Update There are more developments as a trend is established: Ransomware attack disrupts Irish health services; How the Colonial Pipeline hack is part of a growing ransomware trend in the US. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:41, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    The attack on Irish health services is honestly more notable, because that directly impacts a country's healthcare system. WaltCip-(talk) 12:41, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    i agree that the irish health service hack is more notable due to its direct effect on a national health system, especially during a pandemic. i also felt that the dc police hack is more notable due to the massive amount of sensitive data exfiltrated. in fact, the latter has been described as "possibly the most significant ransomware incident to date". dying (talk) 15:16, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Disclaimer: I pulled this above, with my neutral uninvolved admin hat on, because it was clear to me that a consensus to post didn't exist. And still doesn't exist now really. But looking at it again, this time from an editor point of view and on the merits of the case, I will put my hat in the ring as saying we should (re-)post this. It's a major enough and interesting enough story to post, with high impact depite the lack of deaths, and even notwithstanding that Western news outlets routinely tend to give more importance to US topics than others. And actually, if an event of a similar magnitude happened in some other country we'd probably have far fewer qualms about posting it. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 12:25, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment if there's some kind of ongoing issue/trend, then the best thing would be to make an Ongoing nomination. I personally fail to see why this is really any more significant than most other hacking outings, and those linked by Andrew aren't directly related to this. Interestingly, there's a far more impactful story going on in Lebanon now relating to a quarter of the country's electricity supply being withdrawn for unpaid bills. That would seem to be much more relevant than this humdrum. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 12:37, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That's the significance: Colonial Pipeline Paid Hackers Nearly $5 Million in Ransom - STSC (talk) 14:00, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted; ongoing updates) Jerusalem clashes

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  • Tentative support but the article is a bit short. The intro could be expanded as well. --Tone 08:58, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Weak support because the article is too short for read. I think if i strongly support, i would prefer Altblurb instead. 36.77.95.215 (talk) 09:02, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose disaster stub. There are no details about the storming of the mosque (number of officers, time of day, what was going on inside, what prompted them to take that building in the first place, what damage was done to it, did they occupy it or just leave afterwards, was there a specific target in mind and was that target achieved), the rest of the article has nonspecific comments about clashes but no basic where, when, who types of details. 136 people across all of Jerusalem? Was there city wide rioting or were the police picking up random Palestinians? "Further clashes followed at the Al-Aqsa mosque" clashes with who? Were random Israelis just loitering at an important Islamic holy site looking for a fight? --LaserLegs (talk) 10:01, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
As the person who has added most of what you're referring to, very little information of the sort you're asking for currently exists. If you can find sourced information that would benefit the reader, please, add it to the article.
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If very little of that information exists, then maybe there ought not be an article for it. --LaserLegs (talk) 10:16, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
And this is not AllegedlyHuman's fault but is a common problem with breaking event articles like this: international reaction sections should not be including simple quotes from countries that express sympathy or similar types of language. Every reasonable country is going to issue a statement about these disasters, and they stick out (particularly when MOS:FLAGS are used) like sore thumbs. If countries are actually helping (for example, in the KRI Nanggala (402) search and recovery, several countries outside Indonesia are stated to helped, this should clearly be documented. Or if a country does simply give a statement and that prompts some significant reaction, that can be documented as well. But it can be expected that generally, no country is going to be an ass and is going to offer sympathy for losses of human live and tradegy and these sections do not really help our articles. --Masem (t) 13:37, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – Widely covered but complicated and difficult to comprehend. Wider significance may be doubted. – Sca (talk) 13:12, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article is well referenced, and while short does hit all of the important parts. Some expansion of the narrative is welcome, but it's good enough for posting. Would prefer the original blurb. --Jayron32 14:20, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on significance, neutral on quality this is a major story that is garnering significant reactions from world leaders. The article quality is fine in terms of citing sources, but I find the article's explanation of why the clashes are happening lacking. If it's not fixed before I'm off of work, I'll see if I can do something about that. NorthernFalcon (talk) 14:56, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Too much flag salad for my taste. – Sca (talk) 15:37, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Israeli
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Elsewhere is the Damascus Gate. Euro know (talk) 06:32, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Someone already added (though it seems like an overlinked blurb to me).—Bagumba (talk) 12:00, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Dhiru Parikh

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  • Support - this nomination seems to have been neglected a bit, but the article looks decent enough for a start-class article. Marking as ready, assuming nobody else spots anything wrong. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 15:53, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - please can someone look at this? As the sole support, I'm reluctant to post it myself, but I think it's probably ready to go.  — Amakuru (talk) 21:05, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Stephen 01:18, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Karl-Günther von Hase

Template:ITN candidate

  • Support Looks good and well-cited. Good job Gerda.--Vacant0 (talk) 16:07, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support article definitely good enough for RD. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:10, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support Would like to see more info about his 7-year role as ambassador to the UK and a little more depth as mentioned by the nominator, but what's there meets minimum standards. SpencerT•C 18:33, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted  — Amakuru (talk) 21:43, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

2021 World Women's Curling Championship

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....or maybe it just wasn't nominated and there is nothing nefarious going on here. 331dot (talk) 10:27, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I still don't see why a World Curling Championship regardless of gender) is important enough for ITN. And nobody has yet demonstrated why that would be the case. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:28, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
nominator A202985 has mentioned that it is the "[h]ighest level curling tournament beside the Olympics", while NorthernFalcon notes that it is "a top-level championship for an international sport". dying (talk) 12:08, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
There are tons of sports with World Cups/World Championships which are the highest level of their sport- see Template:World championships in 2021. My concern is that if we start posting some sports World Championships, we may get overrun with nominations for other sports World Championships that are as equally important to their sports. I don't think the level of coverage of Curling World Championships makes it important enough for ITN, which is a view I'd hold for most sports World Championships on the template I listed. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:19, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Not to argue against your viewpoint on this nomination, but one of the most common criticisms of ITN I see is that we don't post enough, not that we post too much. Being flooded with nominations and postings is a problem I would want to have. 331dot (talk) 14:27, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Joseph2302, i think your concern is valid, and was also something i was considering when trying to determine my support for this nomination. i have watched curling before, but do not know enough about whether the sport is considered important enough to merit posting on itn.
Template:Pbfor now, i would hesitate to add the championship (or its male counterpart) to itn/r, echoing the concern that you mentioned. however, i think posting this year's championship can address some concerns currently being voiced on the talk page. dying (talk) 16:04, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
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  • support, as noted in my lengthy time-wasting comment above, and because the quality exceeds minimum requirements. dying (talk) 16:04, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • question: what is the standard for mentioning runners-up in blurbs? is there one? dying (talk) 12:08, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    In general, where the post is about a championship game, where one team or player defeats another in head-to-head competition, we often describe the event "In Super Bowl LXXXVIII the Cleveland Browns defeated the Carolina Panthers by a score of 53 to 32" or something like that. In the case of things like races, season champions determined by round robins, judged events like gymnastics, etc. etc. where there is not a clear 'head to head' game that determines the champion, we don't usually list the "also rans" who came in lower places. I'm not sure how curling is contested, I know that there are head-to-head matches, but I don't know if the champion is awarded to the team that wins the most matches in a round robin, or to the winner of a single championship match. It would matter which as to what typical convention we use. --Jayron32 16:26, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    thanks for the thorough explanation, Jayron32. i had noticed that Template:Oldid2 seemed to violate this standard, but i wasn't sure if this was because there were only two schools participating. in this curling tournament, i believe the championship has a final match that determines both first and second places, so i am assuming that mentioning the runner-up here is appropriate. dying (talk) 18:20, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support article quality is not bad for a sports article. While it is very table heavy, the prose in the article does cover the event sufficiently, with a large paragraph adequately describing the championship, refs look good. --Jayron32 12:21, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose Article needs lede cleaned up with the prose about the championship moved to the section further down the page and other info moved to appropriate sections. At present, article is top heavy with all the prose at the top and dozens of tables following. If fixed, willing to Weak support. SpencerT•C 18:28, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment fixed lede length concerns. Opted against making the round-robin table section collapsible, but if people think that's a good idea it can be pursued. NorthernFalcon (talk) 19:11, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on notability. A good example of a story that is not "in the news." Personally, I like curling and I watched the gold medal match live on TV. But curling is still very much a niche sport, especially geographically. At the
    Swissinfo doesn't appear to have covered it[30], although Switzerland won. It's fine to want to post more sports stories and especially women's sports stories but they have to be more widely covered than this one. Nsk92 (talk) 19:29, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
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    Nsk92, you made some really good points that i was previously unaware of, so i did some digging around to try to get some idea of what, roughly, the viewership numbers actually were. apparently, sportcal, a sports market intelligence company, published a global sports impact event study on the 2018 world men's curling championship here. page 68 of their report states that the total cumulative audience was about 83.54 million television viewers. it also notes that 18.4% of the audience watched it live, so that means it had a live audience of about 15.37 million people. in comparison, the last sporting event featured on itn, the kentucky derby, had a
    Template:S live u.s. audience of about 14.4 million, according to deadline. i don't know if the women's and men's championships have similar viewership numbers, but i think this is at least a decent argument that the world men's curling championship is notable enough for itn, and possibly also for itn/r. dying (talk) 00:42, 12 May 2021 (UTC) Template:Small[reply
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The Deadline story you quote re Kentucky Derby concerns the
WP:RS. The Derby received massive news coverage worldwide. The curling world championship final game received rather little. Nsk92 (talk) 07:48, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
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you're right, this is original research, and i had no intention of adding these sorts of statistics to the article space without asking around for further input since i know i'm missing a deeper understanding of these numbers. this original research was presented only to get a rough idea for a sanity check, since my current knowledge of the area is pretty much nonexistent.
Template:Pbin any case, i'm not trying to state that the 2018 world men's curling championship had a higher viewership than the 2021 kentucky derby. i'm only attempting to determine if the viewership was significant enough that posting the 2021 world women's curling championship would not be considered unreasonable. after all, it's likely that many sporting events with a higher viewership than the kentucky derby are already on itn/r, so requiring a competition to have more viewers than those of the kentucky derby before the competition is posted may not help with the goal of adding variety to the competitions posted to itn. furthermore, i doubt that the kentucky derby is the least watched sporting event on itn/r. i only used it for comparison because it was the last one posted to itn. dying (talk) 12:24, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
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i was still trying to figure out why you had difficulty finding information about the final in swiss news sources, so i decided to try it myself, and i think you're right about the final not being reported on swissinfo. however, they have covered the swiss team before, and it turns out that their coverage of sports appears rather minimal, since it does not appear to be one of the topics they focus on (or at least the wikipedia article on
swissinfo is telling me so). that being said, it took me perhaps a few seconds to find this article, as it's the top result (for me, at least) for the search "curling site:.ch", and i would probably consider radio télévision suisse a reliable major news site. also, i noticed that your query for swissinfo was in english, which further reinforces my worry that we may be inadvertently biased if we are relying on anglophone sources. dying (talk) 17:12, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
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Chadian victory over FACT

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fact has been associated with the death of president déby, and the article on fact was Template:Oldid2, so personally, i think they have been impactful enough. (i'm not sure if you're conflating the article on fact with the article on the northern chad offensive, which was created less than a month ago.) also, although i generally appreciate a healthy skepticism of sources, in this case, both sources provide virtually the same text, taken from reuters. (finding the differences between them is interesting, though.) reuters has since updated their article to report the fact that fact "said it was not aware of an end to the fighting", implying that this may be another mission accomplished moment. dying (talk) 09:20, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Medina Spirit drug positive

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  • Wait until the definitive outcome, but otherwise this is a rather curious story. We did post high-level doping incidents so I'd support it. --Tone 15:51, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • This may be just an update to the current blurb if it is still up there if this is confirmed. --Masem (t) 15:55, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Altblurb added. JRHorse (talk) 15:57, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • Would the win go to the second-placed horse? In which case that might need to go on the ITNR listing. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 16:26, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        • That's what I assume we're waiting on for the officiating body to decide if they will nullify the win, and reaward it to #2, or simply not award it, or call for a new race. --Masem (t) 16:32, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
          • From the racetrack: "To be clear, if the findings are upheld, Medina Spirit's results in the Kentucky Derby will be invalidated and Mandaloun will be declared the winner."[31]Bagumba (talk) 17:04, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Wait until test results are upheld.—Bagumba (talk) 16:39, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait until the horse is disqualified. 331dot (talk) 21:57, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait per all.  – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 23:32, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait until horse is DQ'ed, then add to current blurb (with new winner) and bump. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 02:59, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    If it comes to be, a new blurb would need to be posted as the old one is off the MP now.—Bagumba (talk) 07:52, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Medina Spirit's split sample has come back positive, according to the trainer's lawyers. No decision on DQ, pending official hearing. Ref added to sources. JRHorse (talk) 18:01, 2 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2021 London mayoral election

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No one has claimed it is codified anywhere(and I would oppose doing so) but it is fair to say as a general practice we don't usually post such a local election. I can't recall when we have, at least. 331dot (talk) 10:36, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - The nominator will have to point out the significance of this election before we consider it. STSC (talk) 11:02, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I'm re-opening this. London is an Alpha++
    WT:ITN and kick off an RFC. --LaserLegs (talk) 14:57, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
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(Posted) RD: Graeme Ferguson

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(Attention needed) Bayern Munich wins 2020–21 Bundesliga

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  • Comment: Outside of a section on COVID, there is minimal prose in the article body. Some kind of prose season summary outside the lede would be needed. SpencerT•C 18:46, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment correct European grammar would be
    2020-21 Bundesliga. Also, not sure if we need season, and the stats seem superfluous. And the link should avoid redirects probably. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:53, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • Wait until the season finishes. ITNR explicitly states 'the conclusion of the ... tournament or series'. The article has limited prose but what's there seems good enough. The summary section does meet our minimum criteria. So this can be posted once the final game has been played (and the article updated accordingly). The no need for the year or number of victories in the blurb, and the focus should be the entire competition not just the winner. Adding altblurb. Modest Genius talk 11:31, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Generally post at end of season, when readers can also see final standings. See past Premier League blurb which mentions "concludes".—Bagumba (talk) 11:37, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment prose issues have been fixed, and only opposes were about the end of season which was addressed on the ITN talk page, so I hope someone can get this some attention. If there's anything else you'd like me to fix, let me know. NorthernFalcon (talk) 19:22, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Curtis Fuller

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  • Support The article looks well-cited, even the discography sections. rawmustard (talk) 14:57, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Slim but meets minimum depth standards; marking ready. SpencerT•C 18:18, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted  — Amakuru (talk) 21:43, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Theodore Katsanevas

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RD: Helmut Jahn

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  • Comment: Still plenty of citing needed - I am working on some, but everybody is welcome to jump in. KConWiki (talk) 01:46, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Pete du Pont

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(Posted) Kabul school bombing

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(Posted) RD: Bo

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  • Support – seems to well sourced Vacant0 (talk) 20:26, 8 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose citations missing. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 20:34, 8 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Support while some citations may be missing, it is well sourced. 110.137.161.129 (talk) 20:43, 8 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Added refs to tagged paragraphs and Section on kidnap plot so concerns all look to be addressed now JW 1961 Talk 20:50, 8 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted. I've been working my way up the ITN/C page, and it seems the dog is the first RD entry that's been improved enough to post. Man's best friend indeed...  — Amakuru (talk) 21:35, 8 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting support - well done on the improvements. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 03:39, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting comment – Bo-wow. ZZZzzzz. – Sca (talk) 13:01, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Courtenay Bartholomew

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(Posted) RD: Shamim Hanafi

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  • Support looks good. --Gazal world (talk) 16:33, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support It might need some copyediting. -Nizil (talk) 13:47, 8 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now - there's a long gap in the biography section, between 1976 and 2010... personally I did a huge number of things between those two years, and most likely Mr Hanafi did too!  — Amakuru (talk) 21:33, 8 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    (talk) 01:23, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
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  • Posted. Alright, thanks
    Template:U for the update.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:32, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
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(Posted) RD: Tawny Kitaen

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(Posted) RD: Cruz Reynoso

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  • Support. Looks decent to me, well sourced and lots of detail. Marking as ready. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 12:22, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 17:43, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Karl Wirsum

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(Posted; blurb disc.) Attempted assassination of Mohamed Nasheed

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  • Tentative support, he is currently holding an important political position. Not sure if a separate article is needed, there already is a paragraph in the main one. I'd suggest a fork if there are other significant consequences. --Tone 15:56, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on the merits; an attack against a sitting governmental leader. 331dot (talk) 17:21, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • comment: i don't think the draft is necessary, but i don't think it's a bad draft, and it should be easily able to surpass the Template:Oldid2 with a bit of work. also, the investigation and aftermath will almost certainly expand the new article. the update in the body of the speaker's article currently appears to be one long paragraph with one source. dying (talk) 17:45, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Can we get some more input here? I'm willing to post when I see some more feedback. --Tone 08:50, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support article is surprisingly good though with a few gaps, full paragraph about the attacks is a bit light on details. --LaserLegs (talk) 10:12, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose He's an ex-president, somewhat diminishing the significance when this is only a page update. As far as quality, the update covers the blurb, but is missing his improved condition and suspects.[33].—Bagumba (talk) 10:55, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • He is the speaker of the legislative body, that is still a top-3 political position in the country. --Tone 11:16, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • And his presidency ended in a coup. --LaserLegs (talk) 11:19, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • So? He is still a top-3 politician in the country. Or is this an endorsment from your side? I don't think we are discussing popularity here. --Tone 11:31, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        • Moot now, but yes, an endorsement. The coup establishes some notability for this former president. --LaserLegs (talk) 10:45, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Striking "oppose" after improved quality.—Bagumba (talk) 04:49, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Bagumba. Not a national leader, and the assassination attempt was unsuccessful. Not seeing the major long-term impact of this.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:10, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That we
cannot see the impact does not mean there won't be one. We posted the storming of the US Capitol which was an attempt to assassinate Mike Pence, Nancy Pelosi, and others, even though it was unsuccessful. 331dot (talk) 12:17, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
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He is a national leader, the leader of his country's legislature. 331dot (talk) 12:18, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That's not a national leader, since the country has a presidential system. And it's not really comparable to the storming of the US capitol. If the Maldives legislature were stormed in similar fashion I'd support, but this is currently a "terrorist" incident by unknown attackers, with no deaths. We shouldn't make a special case of it just because someone famous was involved.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:28, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It is
systemic bias to post the attempted assassination of the leaders of the US Congress but not the leader of the Maldives legislature. I respectfully but strongly disagree with your assessment. 331dot (talk) 13:50, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
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The storming of the capitol was not primarily an attempted assassination. It was an attempt to seize control of the country's government buildings. Totally different. Considering that we regularly decline to post bombings around the world that kill in some cases 10 or even more people, the real systemic bias would be to singling out this incident which had no fatalities, and the main target making a recovery, just because he's a top bod in the legislature.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:27, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Striking Oppose. I won't hold th is up it there's otherwise will in the community. Consider me a weak support, assuming the quality of the update is sufficient, which I haven't yet checked.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:34, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Template:U They had a gallows outside the Capitol and chanted "hang Mike Pence",source and were literally only feet from him before being lured away by a clever police officer. Prosecutors are saying the primary goal was to kill elected officials. source. Just FYI. 331dot (talk) 18:42, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
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(Posted) RD: Yitzhak Arad

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  • Support. I was actually about to nominate this myself. The article seems in fairly good form. —Brigade Piron (talk) 09:37, 8 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: 1 CN to address then this is good to go. SpencerT•C 17:06, 8 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted to RD. CN addressed. SpencerT•C 17:09, 8 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jim Johnson (ice hockey, born 1942)

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2021 Rio de Janeiro shootout

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  • A question I would have if the 25 people killed (excluding the officers) were all part of the drug ring or if this included bystanders. As while 25 deaths is rather "big", if they were all members of that drug ring would make this less of a "tragedy", while if those 25 included civilians, that makes it something far more significant. I read there were two civilian injuries on the metro, but that's not as major yet. Perhaps more detail is needed. --Masem (t) 19:27, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Yes. If there are reliable sources on how many of them were drug traffickers and civilians, we should adjust blurb accordingly. Brandmeistertalk 21:07, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • Going off the Reuters source, "The victims included one police officer, and the remainder were suspected members of the drug-trafficking gang that dominated life in the slum, including some of its leaders, police said." (eg no innocent lives were taken, thankfully). However I think the emphasis on the wreckless nature of this shootout needs to be better reflected in the article and the blurb for this to be posted as this is what is being called out. If the same event happened, but it was all confined to a drug warehouse, likely it would not be as significant a story. It is a story because the police actively chased down and shot at these drug people through favelas and put innocents at risk, which is the story, not so much that 25 drug dealers + connected people were killed. --Masem (t) 04:03, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support in principle, oppose in reality at least until it's expanded beyond a stub. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:41, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment you can expand the article without any new information and get it posted by following the User:LaserLegs/Disasterstub template. --LaserLegs (talk) 20:38, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I added quite a bit of filler to bulk it up. The AP wire story has a few more details if someone has time to fill in the shooting section else I'll try to get to it later. --LaserLegs (talk) 23:35, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
There I think that'll do it. --LaserLegs (talk) 00:12, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
WP:POINT  Nixinova T  C   02:54, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
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  • Support in principle. These are great news that don't happen every moment. But I will only support 100% until the article is no longer a stub. MSN12102001 (talk) 20:43, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support in principle – Per previous. – Sca (talk) 22:00, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose article quality For a borderline stub, it looks
    WP:ORish when the "Background" section is backed exclusively by sources not directly tied to the current event. For breaking news, I expect the current sources to be the initial framers of that perspective.—Bagumba (talk) 02:20, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
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  • Oppose Dog bites man. Police shoot criminals. Mlb96 (talk) 05:20, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Major police operation which resulted in a large death toll. It's historically notable. If this had happened in NYC, London, Paris, Sydney etc. rather than Rio, this discussion & the article would have quickly become much longer. It would be one of the world's biggest news stories. It would have been posted within a couple of hours & it's unlikely that anyone would have opposed it being posted. Jim Michael (talk) 08:06, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now on quality. The "Background" section is not background for this article, it's a random collection of outdated (14+year old) statistics about crime in Brazil that has little relevance to the incident in question. If we take that out (as we should) then we have a stub with little more information than the blurb would contain. We need some cleanup and expansion before this is main-page ready. --Jayron32 12:20, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Some of it is relevant. It needs to be improved, not removed. I added the 2010 Rio de Janeiro security crisis to that section. What sort of info do you think should be added to the shootout article? Jim Michael (talk) 13:25, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Of EXTREMELY marginal relevance, especially given that the text you added says "There was a crisis in 2010". Really? What was the crisis? What were the details? Most importantly: How did it lead to the events in question? The section is still a bunch of outdated, random, national crime statistics. That's not background information. Here's what IS relevant background information:
What is the name of the gang or gangs involved. What is some of their history? How were they organized? How did they come to work in this part of Rio de Janeiro? What were some of their prior interactions with law enforcement? What about the police force in question? What prior interactions have they had with this gang? What have they done in the past to deal with this gang? Other similar gangs? What has led to the growth of drug use in this neighborhood in Rio de Janeiro? What caused it to escalate? This is not an exhaustive list of things I'd expect to see, but a good sampling of some possible avenues to go with expanding the background section. Not "There was a crisis 11 years ago. Here's some random national crime stats from 14 years ago". That's not useful information. --Jayron32 14:01, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
A lot of that info - which would be useful - hasn't been reported by RS. The crisis is relevant because it was about violence in Rio between drug-dealing gangs and the authorities. Jim Michael (talk) 14:23, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Well, then, maybe we don't have an article worth posting on the main page. --Jayron32 14:25, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
How can a controversial shootout, with a death toll of 25, which has been responded to with a protest & criticism by orgs & notable people, not be worthy of ITN? Many readers will be interested, but not yet aware that it happened. The info that you suggest will be added to the article as RS release it. Jim Michael (talk) 14:37, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You're not responding to the thing I said. You're inventing, in your mind, something I didn't say, and then responding to the thing you invented. What I said was, we don't have an article worth posting on the main page. Let me say it again, in case you missed the important word. A R T I C L E. I didn't say the event wasn't important, or worth informing people about. I said the article was not good enough to post to the main page. Make the article good enough and the article will be posted on the main page. If the article cannot be made better than the article will not be put up in ITN. I have said nothing about the event. I have said the article is not good enough. Comprendez? --Jayron32 15:51, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
See my comments above: the reason this is getting attention is not that this was another drug raid, but that the police allowed the gun fight to run rampant through civilian homes, and they are being called out by many humanitarian groups for this. That should be a focus, more than two lines in reaction. --Masem (t) 13:28, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You're saying that the Reactions section should be the longest part of the article? Jim Michael (talk) 13:33, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure if it should be the longest, but it should be far more than two lines presently. Obviously the details of the shootout are still required, but as I said, if this was the same scale of event but isolated to a warehouse and no innocents were at risk, this would be a yawner of a headline. --Masem (t) 13:46, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It would then have received significantly less media coverage, but it'd still easily be notable enough for an article. Jim Michael (talk) 13:55, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Right and it wouldn't have been notable for ITN. It's being considered at ITN as widespread media coverage is focused on the fact there was a rampant gunfight through civilian homes that the police seemed to have no regard for in conducting this raid, not that the police killed 25 drug dealers. --Masem (t) 14:00, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment the background section may be dated, but it's sourced and relevant and I explained why in the talk page in response to Jayron32. Either way, I've done as much as I'm going to do to the article. Post it or not. Have a good weekend! --LaserLegs (talk) 17:30, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    You've said the words "it's relevant". Saying those words does not make it so. It's just not. I want this article to be posted to, but I'm not willing to compromise on quality standards to do so. We're not just putting any shit article on the main page just to make sure the topic makes ITN because some people find it important. You even called your own additions "filler" which were just added to "bulk" up the article. If it's just there to increase the word count, it's not relevant. I've explained in some detail why the inclusion of outdated, random national crime statistics is not relevant to an article about a specific police shootout in 2021. I've even told you how to add actual good information to the article. I don't know why you refuse to do so. --Jayron32 18:20, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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about six years ago, a shootout in the u.s., in which nine died and police were involved, was not posted.
about a week later, [[2015 Tanhuato
Template:NdashEcuandureo shootout|a shootout in mexico]], in which forty-three died and police were involved, was posted
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also, i agree that the background information currently presented does not seem very pertinent. perhaps it would be appropriate to mention the police killing of a 14-year-old boy last may, which led to public condemnation during the
george floyd protests in brazil and a subsequent ruling by the supreme federal court curtailing such raids in favelas during the pandemic, a ruling that apparently has been flouted since october. dying (talk) 18:31, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
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That depends? Was the 14 year old being recruited to sell drugs? I added two sentences one about the rise in drug crime and one about the recruitment of children by gangs. The raid was conducted because police believed such recruiting was taking place. Waste our time with more off topic irrelevant garbage if you feel the need; I've done no such thing. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:03, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
i had suggested adding the information above to the article because i had seen reliable sources providing these facts as relevant background information, and had thought they would be appropriate for the article. if you do not feel the same, then i apologize for having wasted your time.
Template:Pbultimately, i think there's a story here, but i'm worried that the article is currently not telling it properly. dying (talk) 18:51, 8 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
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  • Support on significance, oppose on quality at the moment. Hrodvarsson (talk) 20:04, 8 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on significance and on quality. While shootouts are common in Brazil, what is uncommon is the death toll and the nature of this shootout. I support on quality because I think the orange tag is not valid. NorthernFalcon (talk) 04:29, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality As of writing, page still has an orange tag.
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  • Oppose - Isn't it quite normal in Rio de Janeiro? STSC (talk) 14:46, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support in principle, oppose on quality. Horrific event and way beyond even the usual level of violence in Brazil's major cities. However the article is short, orange tagged, and has almost nothing on the reaction and aftermath. Also, the blurb isn't NPOV: none of the victims had been convicted of drug trafficking, they were killed without trial. Modest Genius talk 11:35, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Jersey fishing dispute

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Oppose ongoing, would support blurb. According to the infobox, and the lead, it has been going on for 1 day, since 5 May. The article was created on 21:03, May 5, 2021‎. Given the relatively short lifespan of the article, and the short duration of the dispute, it does not qualify as an "ongoing" story in either sense (a long-term story and an article that receives frequent, quality updates). The article on its own is in good enough shape, and the story is being covered by the news, so I don't see why we couldn't put this into blurb form, but this is not what ongoing is for. --Jayron32 14:19, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb and oppose ongoing for now per Jayron. This is a notable dispute and the article is in good shape. Once a blurb is posted, we can move it to ongoing when it rolls off if it's still ongoing or update the blurb if the involved parties reach an agreement to solve the dispute.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 14:48, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose while this Monty Python sketch is well documented, we should probably wait for...well, something to happen before we consider posting. GreatCaesarsGhost 15:52, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per GreatCaesarsGhost. Not enough of an event for ITN. Wizardoftheyear (talk) 16:20, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now, will support a blurb if the story develops further, but so far this is very minor news and nothing of note has happened. --Jbvann05 (talk) 17:08, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Seriously small-time sabre rattling given the onus of other problems in the world. Could develop into something more but far too soon for ITN. --Masem (t) 19:29, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait if the French blockade or cut the power then sure. It's certainly in the news. --LaserLegs (talk) 20:40, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose -- not notable right now. If this were playing out elsewhere, like India and Pakistan, would we post it? -- Rockstone[Send me a message!] 03:17, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - for a few reasons. First, it's an international protest. Second, it doesn't look like it will be resolved soon. Finally, ships have been deployed by both governments, escalating the incident even further (as an international protest it's already unusual). If this had happened between India & Pakistan, I'd hope we would post it because there'd be a fourth reason: both countries are nuclear-armed with a history of strong mutual distrust. The question is whether this should be a blurb or ongoing. It seems difficult to construct a blurb, especially since the situation is fluid, hence ongoing seems more appropriate. Banedon (talk) 05:09, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I understand this is probably a joke, but if you legitimately think this is worth posting, you are not helping your case with such absurd hyperbole. GreatCaesarsGhost 15:22, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb and oppose ongoing for now more the unexpected nature of this dispute. If it becomes a protracted conflict, re-nom for ongoing. Albertaont (talk) 06:06, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – Comparatively minor, and predictable, squabble. Lacking wider significance. – Sca (talk) 12:46, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - far too minor. Jim Michael (talk) 18:13, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - The dispute could last for some time. STSC (talk) 18:41, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, especially if the residents of nearby Guernsey get involved. – Sca (talk) 19:27, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. There are certainly potentially notable fishing disputes. However, this is far less notable than the 2018 blockades of Calais and Boulogne and a dozen similar instances in the last 20 years. —Brigade Piron (talk) 09:43, 8 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose As noted in the article this got a lot more attention in Britain than it did in France (perhaps because the French weren't having local elections). That should tell us something about whether we should put in on ITN. Daniel Case (talk) 04:43, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Flash in the pan, was over very quickly. The French surrendered the protest when they saw the Royal Navy. This was never going to be another Trafalgar. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 06:23, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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RD: Ajit Singh (politician)

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(Withdrawn) COVID-19 vaccination

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  • Oppose. I opposed the removal of the special Covid box a few months back, but the decision was made and that's where we are. Vaccination isn't the only aspect of the pandemic that's currently newsworthy, there's the wave in India and Brazil, the variants, changes to lockdown arrangements in different countries too. The pandemic article covers all those topics so it's IMHO sufficient to have that as the primary link into the topic.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:14, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    The primary article is not going to be replaced with this one; it's just a proposal to add a link to a secondary article in parentheses (I was also against removing the box with all links to relevant articles a few months ago.).--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 10:25, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Yeah, I do understand what you're proposing. I just don't think it's correct to single out out the vaccination programmes for an extra line, as they are far from the only aspect of COVID currently in the news. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 11:09, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose It already appeared in ongoing section as part of the COVID-19 pandemic article. I don't see any reasons to nominated it as ongoing. 110.137.163.125 (talk) 10:21, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose No reason to link the same article from two different parts of the Front Page, let alone two different parts of just Ongoing.130.233.213.199 (talk) 11:04, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – Per previous. No need further to complicate the MP. – Sca (talk) 12:42, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Withdrawn Thanks for the comments so far. It seems like consensus in support of my proposal is not going to develop.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 12:38, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Lucinda Franks

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(Posted) RD: Ashraf Sehrai

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(Posted) RD: Ray Miller (baseball manager)

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  • Comment: Playing career should list the position he played (pitcher I assume?), and if available, some basic playing statistics would be useful. Otherwise looks good to go, and Conditional support once that info is added. SpencerT•C 16:28, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Template:Re done. Removed it since the info it verifies (i.e. date of death) is sourced in the main part of the article. —Bloom6132 (talk) 21:38, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
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(Posted) RD: Paulo Gustavo

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RD: Simon Achidi Achu

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(Posted) RD: Manas Bihari Verma

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  • Template:Cn tags. Thanks for your patience. Ktin (talk) 02:50, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
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RD: Alan McLoughlin

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Looks fine aside from the "Electoral History" section. GreatCaesarsGhost 00:26, 5 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Mexico City Metro overpass collapse

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Though there's no fixed minimum number of deaths for an article to be important enough for ITN, a higher death toll makes an event significantly more notable. Do you think this one should be posted? Jim Michael (talk) 10:37, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
(ec) Hmm, on tilt again. Only you bring up "minimum deaths". I was simply offering a comparison that five times more casualties have occurred in this event than the one you helpfully linked. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:40, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Do you want this posted? Jim Michael (talk) 10:53, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Meh, it's your standard boiler plate
WP:ITN. In the example I cited above there was a consensus that "if it had happened anywhere else we wouldn't post it" and here we are ready to post a bridge collapse from anywhere else. I'm kind of new here, just trying to understand the ins and outs is all. --LaserLegs (talk) 10:58, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
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As you know, there's no "bridge collapse criteria". Nominations are judged on their merits. Some have little or no merit, some have some or much merit. It depends. Cheers now! The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 11:16, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
This has far more casualties than the one you mentioned. That's the main reason that this one has been posted & that one wasn't. This article has been improving rapidly all day. Jim Michael (talk) 13:59, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, that is not quite correct. The only reason why this one has been posted, while the other one wasn't, is that this nomination got enough support from people who happened to stop by the ITNC page while the nomination was up, while the other one did not. There are no other reasons why anything gets posted. There is no other rule, there are no precedents, there is nothing except "people who cared said something". --Jayron32 14:10, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Consensus is why this was posted & previous one wasn't, but this one's higher death toll is clearly a major reason for at least some of us here to say that it should be posted. Jim Michael (talk) 14:23, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but people keep looking for ways to circumvent discussion and disqualify the opinions of others by (falsely) claiming that the reason why things are posted is because we have some sort of minimum limits, or because previous articles that were (or were not) posted in the past established a precedent, and that precedent or rule somehow invalidates the opinions of people who think differently. That is just not how we work. You may have your own private criteria as to why something will be posted, but that criteria is not based on any rule or precedent we have here at Wikipedia, and the fact that someone else uses a different criteria is NOT a reason to invalidate their opinion, despite the repeated efforts of some long-time contributors here to get their way. --Jayron32 14:36, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Disagreeing with someone, and giving reasons why you disagree - which could include citing informal standards and precedents - is not "invalidating their opinion". Discussion and debate are a healthy part of the consensus-building process. And if it happens that I disagree with someone *and* several of what you call the "long-time contributors", or indeed anyone else, happen to agree with me, then that might be enough to form a consensus contrary to the one I disagreed with. Or perhaps it isn't. That's up to the assessing admin to determine. I'm quite sure everyone who contributes to this page is used to sometimes getting the result they favour and sometimes not.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:50, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
We should be disagreeing with people. We should not be doing it in a way that makes it seem like we're saying their comments are invalid because they violate some rule or that precedent has already been established. --Jayron32 15:08, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Support articles in good shape, long enough and sufficiently sourced. I wonder if certain discussions would be taking place if the same event had taken place on the NYS or London Underground...
    Template:Nbspno, I thought not. ——Serial 11:12, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
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In that event, the article & this discussion would have become much longer, much quicker. It would have been posted sooner. Jim Michael (talk) 13:54, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think you mean SNOW closed as "Consensus will not develop to post" in less than 3 hours? --LaserLegs (talk) 20:04, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Oppose CV, near-stub. Of the 1,5kb of prose, only a single sentence (Death - a single sentence section) relates biographical information. On the plus side, the dates of birth and death are both listed, referencing is very thorough and the 'ographies are complete and referenced.130.233.213.199 (talk) 06:31, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Helen Murray Free

Template:ITN candidate Support Nice article - good references, notable, and a good article in general. RIP Fakescientist8000 (talk) 01:52, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Donald Cameron (Nova Scotia premier)

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  • Support: Article seems to be very well sourced. As the former Premier of Nova Scotia, it would be hard to see any other reason besides poor sourcing to not see him on ITN. – Jmanlucas (talk) 22:54, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
All people with a Wikipedia article are eligible to be on RD.
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RD: Bobby Unser

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  • Oppose practically all of it is unreferenced. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 21:43, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    And it's been tagged that way since February 2015. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:55, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per above. The 1981 Indianapolis controversy section is entirely unsourced, and several other citation needed tags are in place. There is still plenty of work to be done before this is eligible to be on In The News.Jmanlucas (talk) 22:50, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Not enough references, mainly in the Indianapolis 500 controversy section.Jackattack1597 (talk) 23:01, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I added a ref for the 2nd paragraph in that section, the 3rd will be a little harder to find, but I will keep looking as time permits. I haven't edited this article before. If you want to reject the ITN, that's fine by me. I will try to improve the article anyways. --rogerd (talk) 00:56, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    rogerd, no immediate time pressure, you have 7 days before it is archived. Stephen 06:41, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I have added several more refs and deleted a paragraph in the 1981 Indianapolis controversy section, including referencing his book, but fear it will not be enough to meet the standard. --rogerd (talk) 20:21, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Bill and melinda gates divorcing

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(Posted) RD: Noor Alam Khalil Amini

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  • Comment Was he a religious figure, or an academic? I'm a bit concerned about the weight being given to his personal faith if his focus was more on Arabic literature.
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Just a note. I've updated the article, and tried to address other related concerns. This should be enough now. Thanks. ─
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It was not initially clear to someone unfamiliar with the subject that he had studied Islam. Still, he was labeled as a "religious figure" in the infobox and described in the first sentence as "an Indian Sunni Muslim scholar", which I do not believe would be appropriate if he studied something other than religion. The article appears to be clearer now, thank you.
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Your comment was really helpful. Thank you. This should be now ready for the ITN. ─
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(Posted) ITNR: 2021 World Snooker Championship

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I am working on it, but I got a bit behind earlier this week, so I'm not as up to date as usual. I've added a placeholder to confirm he won, and the score and such, just there is some missing detail I'll add ASAP. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 22:01, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Ernest E. West

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  • Support Brief, but has adequate coverage of what he was notable for (Medal of Honor). SpencerT•C 16:15, 5 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per Spencers comments, looks ready JW 1961 Talk 10:48, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 16:22, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jacques d'Amboise (dancer)

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  • Support. Nice work. Article seems to meet hygiene expectations for homepage / RD on a quick glance. Ktin (talk) 17:41, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 18:44, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: S. G. Neginhal

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(Posted) RD: John Dee Holeman

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  • Comment Long quote from the National Endowment for the Arts copypasted in the article. It does appear to be public domain, so copyright would not be an issue, but currently it's in there with pretty much no context and doesn't seem to add much; would suggest breaking up.
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(Posted) 2021 Colombian protests

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  • Support Significant coverage and arguably the most notable protests in Latin America at the moment. Good article quality. --NoonIcarus (talk) 21:48, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support As the creator of the article (that was originally a stub) and as a colombian; I can confirm this is a series of protests that wasn't seen since 2019 (sorry for my rough english). Sr. Knowthing ¿señor? 23:46, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose quality I don't see this as being at the top of the global news, but can balance it with higher page quality per
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    Resolved.—Bagumba (talk) 17:34, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Lots of coverage, well-referenced, nice article. Could be expanded a little, but it's no big problem. Fakescientist8000 (talk) 11:35, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support The protests are important enough to be posted & the article's quality is easily good enough. Jim Michael (talk) 12:26, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article could use a little expansion, especially in the lead, but on the whole is not bad. I think it's good enough for the main page, the sourcing is good and it is relatively comprehensive in the body. The story is being covered by major news sources. Meets all requirements for ITN. --Jayron32 12:42, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support nice little artcle.——Serial 12:48, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – Unsee much coverage in RS-land. – Sca (talk) 12:50, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The article mainly focuses on the "Ingreso Solidario" part of the reform. Other important aspects of the reform and causes of the protest should be mentioned. -pasunjacques 15:56, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment - has an orange level maintenance tag. The lead should be expanded before this is posted. Anarchyte (talkwork) 14:58, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I don't care if it's posted or not, but the proposed change was withdrawn and the blurb should reflect the same. Alt2 added --LaserLegs (talk) 16:28, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Template:Re The wording "opposition riots" is not suitable or NPOV, though we should mention that the plan was cancelled.--WMrapids (talk) 16:52, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply
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When protests kill 6 people, they're called riots. Papering over riots is a
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The protests didn't kill the people, the crackdown did. Unless you want to say "Police riot and kill 6 protestors". --Jayron32 17:51, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly, the police cracked down on rioters, and a few were killed resisting law enforcement. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:09, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It depends on one's perception of "law and order".—Bagumba (talk) 03:44, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Changed blurb as another main reason for protest is health care reform. Not sure if this is permitted, though just trying to make the blurb as accurate as possible. Also, which blurb do you prefer
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Don't care about the blurb. Article is in good shape. Y'all figure out the wording amongst yourselves. --Jayron32 17:52, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have understood that this protests began due to a tax plan proposed by the government, what seems is happening is that the sense of the protests, now that the government withdraw the proposal for the tax plan, has changed to show general disconformation with the Iván Duque's government. Sr. Knowthing ¿señor? 23:37, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
My bad for the delayed comment; I was out eating with my family. Anyways, to answer your question, Alt III looks good to me. Fakescientist8000 (talk) 01:21, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Alt IV Dedicated new article on topical subject with sufficient quality. As for the blurb, the president withdrew the proposal, not the country itself, per se.—Bagumba (talk) 17:34, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment Should also add that the withdrawl represents the latest news, and its omission would make the blurb seem dated.—Bagumba (talk) 03:50, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Mark ready Posting admin might be able to make an editorial decision on the blurb, or it might be obvious with more comments.—Bagumba (talk) 18:11, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Alt IV Clearest, least biased, and most complete of the various options. Wizardoftheyear (talk) 19:32, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Template:Posted Alt-blurb IV, mostly due to the fact of withdrawal being included. --qedk (t c) 06:18, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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(Closed) US withdrawal from Afghanistan

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  • Comment we did post it, I have to dig up the link --LaserLegs (talk) 11:01, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Here it is. February 2020. The United States surrenders to the Taliban in Afghanistan --LaserLegs (talk) 11:03, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ok. The posted wording was The United States and the Taliban sign a peace agreement which establishes a framework for ending the War in Afghanistan. Withdrawing (no pun intended), but if someone wants to proceed, feel free to re-open. Brandmeistertalk 11:31, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Assuming it goes as planned, I think the conclusion of the whole thing on 9/11 is worth posting even more so than the terms last Feb. --LaserLegs (talk) 12:53, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose: Let's wait until there is a conclusive finish to troop deployments in Afghanistan.--WMrapids (talk) 15:41, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

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(Posted) 2021 Kentucky Derby

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(Posted) RD: Olympia Dukakis

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  • Comment It's getting there with the heavy editing, filmography almost completly sourced but quite a few CN's still in the prose, will re-visit later JW 1961 Talk 18:21, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Very good article! Nice referencing, although could do with a little cleaning up, and, as usual, RIP. Fakescientist8000 (talk) 15:23, 4 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 04:43, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Mohammad Shahabuddin

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  • Comment: Pretty close; 1 CN tag remaining. One other consideration is the sentence Shahabuddin is synonymous with criminal-politician in India; his is the standard to which other criminal-politicians are compared, and the ref is an example of the second half of the sentence, but doesn't necessarily support the assertion that "Shahabuddin is synonymous with criminal-politician in India." As a potentially defamatory claim in a BLP, this definitely needs a source (or two) supporting that statement. SpencerT•C 00:51, 2 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]