Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates/November 2019

• Support Not perfect (just a couple of unsourced statements; "recordings" section needs expansion and cites) but otherwise, it's good enough. Zingarese talk · contribs 22:58, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support. Looks generally good. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:07, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I updated some, and added the Guardian obituary which could add some soul to the article. I'm too tired right now. All recordings have numbers, btw. - I was at the opera, and his death was The Talk in intermission. Let's please not wait too long. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:53, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support No red flags.
  talk) 00:04, 2 December 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Support In good shape. Spengouli (talk) 00:39, 2 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
•  Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:57, 2 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) London Bridge attack

(Closed) Burning Sun scandal

Nominator's comments: Top news. Article well referenced. Sherenk1 (talk) 12:02, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Support This definitely an unique case. Article is very good, and sourced.BabbaQ (talk) 15:55, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak support. Celebrity sex scandals are usually not suitable for ITN, but this does seem to be an unusual case, ties into a wider social issue in South Korea, and has an extremely well-developed article. The article quality tips me over into supporting this. Modest Genius ^talk 17:42, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak support per Modest Genius. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:45, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose with respect to those above, the blurb gives no-one any indication of what makes this in any way more notable than any other "celebrity" being sent to prison for any kind of crime. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 19:25, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Expanded blurb to give some context based on what reading the lead of the scandal article suggests. If it's inaccurate, then that's because the lead does not concisely get to the point... Kingsif (talk) 22:36, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• It's a fair point. I expected to oppose until I read through. The lead could be cleared. I think that alt blurb is too long. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:44, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Support and propose ALT2 which mentions they were also jailed for rape (see the sources), while linking to
  Hidden cameras crime in South Korea. ALT2 is also shorter than ALT1. starship.paint (talk) 02:00, 30 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]

  @The Rambling Man and Muboshgu: - what do you think about ALT2? starship.paint (talk) 02:02, 30 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• BLP errors in ALT and ALT2 Only one person was guilty for making and sharing the video. Both were guilty of rape.[1]—Bagumba (talk) 02:55, 30 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  @Bagumba: - the existence of and/or in ALT2 prevents a BLP violation, and while it is not optimum, it is the most succinct way to represent the current situation. I welcome better suggestions. starship.paint (talk) 03:59, 30 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  Criticism of the and/or construct aside, we shouldn't make it vague which crimes a specific person committed just to shorten a blurb. They are both guilty of rape. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 04:44, 30 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose Seems
  Hidden cameras crime in South Korea might work, but the article is not sufficiently updated (yet).—Bagumba (talk) 03:51, 30 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]

  I was thinking something like this- Burning Sun itself is too small, but the conviction may represent the Right Time To Post™ something on the overarching sex crime epidemic/atmosphere in K-Pop. Is it a stretch to tie this to Goo Hara (and to a lesser extent Sulli? GreatCaesarsGhost 15:36, 30 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  There's this from The Washington Post and probably others.—Bagumba (talk) 06:55, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose – Barely a blip on the radar. – Sca (talk) 15:01, 30 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose Per the Rambling Man. I don't see how this is more significant than celebrities being sent to prison.
  talk) 19:33, 30 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]

Actually, that is significant. You don't see celebrities or white-collar individuals in general get sent to prison nowadays. Even Felicity Huffman, who got convicted of fraud, managed to worm her way out of prison time. WaltCip (talk) 19:42, 30 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Huffman spent a short time in prison. Stephen 21:11, 30 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ten days. WaltCip (talk) 22:01, 30 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@

Taewangkorea: - I presume you’re from Korea - then you should be aware of #MeToo’s equivalent in Korea, hidden camera sex crimes (including Hara), and the significance of Kpop, all of which this story is tied in to. starship.paint (talk) 23:56, 30 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

• Comment We posted Bill Cosby found guilty of sexual assault and that South African with no legs who murdered is girlfriend was in the box like a thousand times, so I don't see why we couldn't post this as well. I don't care, so I didn't read it to look for BLP vios, so this is not a support. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:48, 30 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose per Sca (and we should not have posted Bill Cosby or the South African with no legs who murdered his girlfriend (Oscar Pistorius)). Banedon (talk) 04:08, 2 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose We should not be posting what is basically tabloid crime news, even if it has garnered some sensationalist coverage. -Ad Orientem (talk) 05:08, 2 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose per Ad Orientem. – Ammarpad (talk) 18:32, 2 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose per Bagumba.
  Lepricavark (talk) 06:45, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]

• Comment Some ref problems: CN's and I've encountered (and fixed) a few dead links on spot check. Doable.130.233.2.197 (talk) 08:29, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Weakest oppose just a bare minimum of citations needed now for the BLP, what's there is mainly fine. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 10:55, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Missing citations added 46.7.236.180 (talk) 20:59, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Blurb - Nakasone was a transformative (and controversial) leader who presided over Japan's golden era in the 1980s, often compared to his contemporaries Reagan and Thatcher. And he also happened to be the world's longest-living former head of state until now. -Zanhe (talk) 06:41, 30 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support – RD only. No blurb. Article seems adequate. – Sca (talk) 15:04, 30 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support inclusion in RD.
  talk) 19:35, 30 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]
•  Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 19:54, 30 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2019 Uruguayan general election

Article: 

runoff election.
News source(s): Bloomberg, BBC

Credits:

• Nominated by MSN12102001 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Fadesga (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Bagumba (talk · give credit) and Carlos Ricarte (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on

WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 MSN12102001 (talk) 23:16, 28 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

• Comment: Needs a prose update in the results. Spencer^T•C 02:30, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak support everything there seems satis, but per Spencer, it's a pity there's not a single scrap of prose describing the results, reactions to the results etc. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 19:32, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak Support No problems except for the lack of prose on the results.
  talk) 05:01, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Support Alt blurb III. Some prose about the runoff results added. Also updated with final vote tally from 30 Nov.—Bagumba (talk) 13:14, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
•  Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:24, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ciputra

• Support - Everything is in order. STSC (talk) 17:22, 28 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment looks like it might need a copyvio check. Kingsif (talk) 17:58, 28 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  That is a serious charge to be cast about willy nilly. --- 

  Coffeeandcrumbs) 19:10, 28 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

  ]

@

Coffeeandcrumbs for conducting a copyvio check. Cheers, -Zanhe (talk) 21:49, 28 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

Yes, I was reading on mobile and felt that the career section read more professional than the rest, then noticed it was entirely cited to one source - unable to do a check myself, I suggested it, as a comment rather than an oppose because of pure questioning. Take this as support.Kingsif (talk) 00:40, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the explanation, sounds like a reasonable concern. Cheers, -Zanhe (talk) 01:21, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Support – I have done a copyvio check and see no issues of plagiarism. --- 
  Coffeeandcrumbs) 19:15, 28 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Support – seems good to go.BabbaQ (talk) 00:25, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted. Spencer^T•C 02:31, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: William Ruckelshaus

• Needs more sources. The Saturday Night Massacre section is unsourced. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:06, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose whole sections without a single ref. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 10:14, 28 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose - There're some unsourced contents. STSC (talk) 17:18, 28 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support - OK now. STSC (talk) 15:49, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose - ping me if the issues are solved.BabbaQ (talk) 17:49, 29 November 2019 (UTC) [reply]
• Oppose need more refs, but will support after the issues are solved.
  talk) 19:03, 2 December 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• @
  Taewangkorea: The issues have been addressed. Davey2116 (talk) 03:38, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Support - per improvements.BabbaQ (talk) 10:52, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Referencing looks good now.-- P-K3 (talk) 14:13, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support based on improvements.
  talk) 18:01, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Posted just in time to prevent it from going stale. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:30, 4 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Jonathan Miller

• Weak Support that is conditional on more citations being added.
  talk) 18:53, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Oppose whole sections and paragraphs without reference. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 10:15, 28 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Clive James

• Oppose. With regret, too much unsourced. He certainly deserves to be posted. Very notable personality in UK. A lot of good work there by User:Johndavies837. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:30, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose - Very undersourced. It'd be like moving a mountain to source all of that in due time. ~mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 16:52, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• I dunno, he's a very well known figure in the UK and the death was only announced today, so could be considered under Nov 27. Once the obituaries come out there will be plenty of sources available.-- P-K3 (talk) 16:58, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: Died 24 Nov, announced 27 Nov, so moved to today. Black Kite (talk) 19:40, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong support - additional Australian ref - Clive James — writer, TV broadcaster and critic — dies aged 80 - one of our most famous expats Bahudhara (talk) 02:16, 28 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose – We have ignored even more notable people because the article lacks proper sourcing. --- 
  Coffeeandcrumbs) 12:20, 28 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]

• Sourcing is now much improved, but Bibliography still needs a lot. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:23, 28 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose - The proliferation of {{
  fact}} tags in the article is worse than Margarita Pracatan's aural assault on "Helooooooooo". Sorry. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:08, 28 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Oppose...for the time being. I liked him, but don't have time to help clearing the CNs. STSC (talk) 17:45, 28 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose as it appears not many people are able to clean up the CNs.
  talk) 18:20, 28 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]

• I'd suggest that very many are able, but very few seem to be ready or willing. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:39, 28 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Support. Sourcing now looks ok. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:47, 28 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted Stephen 01:44, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2019 Albania earthquake

Nominator's comments: Article is well referenced and enough for ITN Sherenk1 (talk) 07:13, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Support Short but well composed article, death toll somewhat larger than expected for that part of the world. Updated blurb with casualty numbers from the article.130.233.2.197 (talk) 07:33, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support A well referenced article about a notable event. --Λeternus ^(talk) 08:33, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support This was one of the strongest and deadliest tremors in the region for years. Media still focus their attention on the aftermath and international aid sent.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 09:40, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Posting. --Tone 10:01, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Godfrey Gao

• Support - Career section could be expanded, but Filmography section is well cited, so looks good enough ~mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 12:27, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've fleshed out the biographical information in the article some more. Morgan695 (talk) 16:04, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support I don't see any major problems.
  talk) 18:54, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Support Article is well developed. -Zanhe (talk) 20:36, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
•  Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:34, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Yeshi Dhonden

• Weak Support - Article is cited very well but it is close to a stub ~mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 12:25, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support - Article is short, but concised. --Rédacteur Tibet (talk) 15:29, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak Support No major problems but the article can certainly be expanded.
  talk) 18:56, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]
•  Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 19:04, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Sudhir Dar

• Weak support some additional references in the Books section would be helpful, the rest is satis. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 10:16, 28 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Just did a whole-article CE. There is one statement commented out, which I couldn't find a source for, but I think this is good enough.130.233.2.197 (talk) 08:18, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
•  Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:17, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Gary Rhodes

• Note I think this is pretty much cited now. Black Kite (talk) 15:00, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Looks good.-- P-K3 (talk) 15:10, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support now that some citations have been added. Thanks Black Kite! ~mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 15:33, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Well sourced. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:49, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
•  Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 18:58, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Georgian protests

 Banedon (talk) 22:13, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose I have read the article twice and have no idea what is going on. Also I have no sense that these are massive demonstrations of the sort we may cover as opposed to the relatively run of the mill, which we do not. The article is confusing and I am not even certain that anything of significance is still going on. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:28, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose This cannot possibly go to Ongoing, because the protests have ended. The article is terrible, and does not portray events chronologically. It's discussing things from June under Reactions to protests which ended two weeks ago. The format of the article suggests that it was, or might have been, an election article that got COATRACKED into it's current form. Additionally, I check Russian language media outside of Russia and found nothing about this.130.233.2.197 (talk) 08:08, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose both per above and because the article barely mentions protests that are currently happening (i.e. in the news) ~mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 12:23, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support - It's quite OK to me. STSC (talk) 18:26, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose before making a judgment on if it's ITN-worthy, the article would need significant improvements. The first being that the list of 'lead figures' in the infobox is longer than the list of refs. Kingsif (talk) 18:57, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose per the myriad concerns. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 10:17, 28 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Hong Kong protests

(Posted) RD: Frank Biondi

• Support Looks good to me. – Ammarpad (talk) 09:50, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support - Small article but is cited well ~mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 12:26, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I only looked briefly at this, a couple of unsourced items. It might be better to expand it first and cite it, rather than promote it and let it get expanded with unsourced material. Feel very not strongly about it and barely looked at the article, just a note. Kees08 (Talk) 16:12, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support I see no problems.
  talk) 17:43, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]
•  Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:09, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Dresden heist

Nominator's comments: While the €1 billion total value is currently unconfirmed, this is reported to be the largest diamond heist since WWII at least. Brandmeister^talk 23:25, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Support Interesting, has expansive coverage, and the article is in pretty good shape. Teemu08 (talk) 02:51, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support shocking heist, widely reported. -Zanhe (talk) 05:02, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Clearly related to the latest Rick & Morty episode. (j/c - noteworthy theft, article up to par). --Masem (t) 05:53, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support I am not typically a big fan of crime related nominations, but this is highly unusual on multiple levels. The article looks to be in decent shape. -Ad Orientem (talk) 06:09, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support This is an interesting story and thefts of such valuable items don't occur very often.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 07:47, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support although in my variant of English, we'd just say "... from Dresden Castle ..." rather than "... from the Dresden Castle ..." The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 08:26, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
•  Posted. Tweaked the blurb a bit, to resolve RM's concern above and also to link Dresden Castle. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:53, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  I think we should also mention/link

  Grünes Gewölbe or "Green Vault Museum" — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:56, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

  ]

Moved from

WP:ERRORS

Not an error, but why is the Residenzschloss Dresden pictured while we can picture more precisely

@Gerda Arendt: Perhaps you can suggest a modified blurb. Should Green Vault be added to the blurb, should it replace Dresden Castle, etc. I don't have a feel for which is more significant. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 09:12, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I am not the right one to do that, because I'd always prefer the German names ;) - The Green Vault treasure chamber has an article, is more precise, but I can't tell if it rings the same bells as "Grünes Gewölbe" does in German, where you don't have to add Schloss in Dresden. The schloss is not a castle (German Burg), btw, as any image shows, but I understand common name, even if wrong. I'm out now for most of the day. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:32, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that a better image can be used and have added [[:]] to the protected list. I'll have a go at rewording the blurb in due course. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:22, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Although our article is titled

stolen from the former electoral palace in Dresden, Germany." (I don't think either Grünes Gewölbe or "Green Vault" would work for English-language readers.) Danke. – Sca (talk) 14:21, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

I would suggest: Several hundred diamonds and jeweled items

are stolen from the Green Vault museum (pictured) in Dresden, Germany. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:27, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

Well, that's better than the current construction. It might be good to insert "priceless" before "diamonds," as that's what museum officials have called them in several stories I read/saw. – Sca (talk) 22:22, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The image's information suggests it's the Jewel Room (Pretiosen Saal) that was robbed, though I'm not 100% sure. If so, the blurb's caption could be amended. Brandmeister^talk 22:05, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It seems like Jewel Room might be Juwelenzimmer and not the Pretiosensaal pictured above[3].—Bagumba (talk) 00:41, 30 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

As Gerda says, this is not an error. I'm for retaining the current hook and picture (which I find impressive). Jmar67 (talk) 03:23, 30 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Gerda. The theft was carefully planned to be from the Grünes Gewölbe museum, not from the "castle" Residenzschloss Dresden as a whole. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:42, 30 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I have replaced the image and tweaked the blurb accordingly — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:01, 30 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks, Martin. I think it looks much better. I'm not sure we've got any contemporary image of the Juwelenzimmer at Commons. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:15, 30 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Probably not the kind of place where they allow tourists to take photos ;) — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:23, 30 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 107th Grey Cup

Article: 107th Grey Cup (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Canadian football, the Winnipeg Blue Bombers defeat the Hamilton Tiger-Cats to win the 107th Grey Cup. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In Canadian football, the Winnipeg Blue Bombers defeat the Hamilton Tiger-Cats to win the Grey Cup (MVP Andrew Harris pictured).
News source(s): CBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Plasma Twa 2 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on

WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 PlasmaTwa2 20:02, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

• Support - Well cited and nice to see a solid prose summary of the game ~mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 20:38, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support. A well developed article with a good update. Seems fine to me. Modest Genius ^talk 20:49, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support - Article details a North American sports championship game, which is in line with other similar featured articles. Includes strong details and summaries. Cmm3 (talk) 21:33, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support - ITN/R, quality is good. -Zanhe (talk) 05:03, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose Andrew Harris being named the game MVP should be sourced and in prose. (Incidentally, he also was named the Most Outstanding Canadian, the first to win both[4])—Bagumba (talk) 05:17, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  Done. --PlasmaTwa2 06:16, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  Support—Bagumba (talk) 07:24, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Posted, waiting for image protection before changing the image. Someone else is welcome to add it once it is protected; it may be an hour or so before I can. 331dot (talk) 07:37, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Image now changed. 331dot (talk) 07:52, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Stale) RD: George Clements

Change to Weak Oppose until the issues are fixed.

talk) 17:42, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

• Oppose CN's need fixing before posting. The many short sections might better be rolled into one large section titled Church initiatives or similar. The lede contains information which is not explained by prose in the article: "He is also well known for his involvement in civil rights activities during a period that extended from the late 1960s to present".130.233.2.197 (talk) 06:28, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose too much of it is unreferenced. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 08:28, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Colin Mawby

• Support. Looks well sourced. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:01, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support - Seconding Martinevans123's sentiments ~mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 12:29, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support – Marked ready. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 13:00, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted Kees08 (Talk) 16:00, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2019 Romanian presidential election

Article: 2019 Romanian presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Klaus Iohannis is re-elected as President of Romania (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ After failing to receive a majority of votes in the first round, Klaus Iohannis (pictured) of the National Liberal Party is re-elected as President of Romania in a runoff election.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Klaus Iohannis (pictured) of the National Liberal Party is re-elected President of Romania.
News source(s): DW, EuroNews
Credits:

• Nominated by 2601:602:9200:1310:255D:8BC0:E8A0:2C21 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Wekahash (talk · give credit) and Alexandru M. (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on

WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 2601:602:9200:1310:255D:8BC0:E8A0:2C21 (talk) 03:34, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

• Support Very good election article. Cursory looksee of refs looks fine. ITNR.130.233.2.197 (talk) 07:31, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak support - Article looks well referenced, but I think there could be more prose in the Results section. I've also added an Altblurb as the original seemed a bit bland ~mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 13:34, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Imperfect, but nothing worth keeping it off the MP. GreatCaesarsGhost 15:34, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support both blurbs. No red flags.
  talk) 18:09, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]
•  Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:12, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• 'After failing to receive a majority of votes in the first round' seems an unnecessary detail and an overly negative way of introducing the blurb. The entire clause could be deleted, as could 'in a runoff election'. Modest Genius ^talk 20:28, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  If the original blurb is considered better, we can switch to that? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:45, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  MSGJ, I think that might be best. A run-off election 2 weeks after the first round is not very notable. It seems like the usual course of how elections progress in Romania, looking at the previous years. There has been a second round in every election since 1992. It is nowhere close to what is happening in Israel. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 21:15, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  But keep the party as in altblurb2. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 21:19, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  Seems like User:Stephen has already done it, whether by reading this or unilaterally — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:41, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  Unilaterally. I didn't spot the discussion here. Stephen 02:48, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  I originally posted it to

  WP:ERRORS, where it would be seen more quickly, but for some reason User:MSGJ moved it here. Modest Genius ^talk 14:24, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

  ]

• Support condition on the 3 citation needed templates being fixed.
  talk) 18:11, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]
  • I spy one more citation needed template (updating in case anyone was looking to promote) Kees08 (Talk) 07:23, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Found a citation for it. Kees08 (Talk) 07:41, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support, providing his awards are sourced. Not the most popular fellow in the theater circle. Jip Orlando (talk) 18:17, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Looks like this has been addressed. Kees08 (Talk) 07:23, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted Ref formatting could use some work Kees08 (Talk) 07:41, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2019 Hong Kong local elections

Nominator's comments: These are nominally 'local' elections, which we don't usually post. However, the district councils are the only wholly and directly elected part of the Hong Kong government. And, the huge turnout and the pro-democracy camp's large victory here has important political ramifications for the protest movement going forwards. These elections are already getting international coverage. Davey2116 (talk) 00:38, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Support Unprecedented turn out with ousting of Pro-Beijing candidates. District Councils: Pre election: 124 seats were held by Pro-democracy members 331 by Pro-Beijing ; After election 389 seats were Pro-democracy 89 Pro-Beijing. "The pro-democrats delivered the biggest landslide in Hong Kong history, seizing control of 17 of the 18 District Councils, tripling their seats from about 124 to 389, and would be able to capture the 117 seats in the Election Committee District Council subsectors which was responsible for electing the Chief Executive." Geographyinitiative (talk) 00:41, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support as before we don't usually post local elections, but this one is unique in both coverage and significance. The only question is whether to remove the Hong Kong protests from Ongoing with this as a blurb. I think not: they are separate events. Banedon (talk) 01:26, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose have we posted HK elections in the past? (I know we've spit venom at other "local elections"). If this is significant because of the protests, then it's covered well enough by the ongoing item which has been sitting in the box for nearly 8 months. --LaserLegs (talk) 01:54, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose we don't post local elections. This one may be more notable than the average local election, but then on the other hand the Hong Kong protests are already covered in ongoing. If this is the defining moment in the protests, then I could see posting this, but as of right now there's no sign that this will change anything with regard to the ongoing protests. NorthernFalcon (talk) 02:43, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Opposeper above. We don't post local elections at ITN. Ongoing should have this covered. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:49, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support removing from 'ongoing' and replacing with ALT3 blurb and then afterwards making a determination whether it is still "ongoing". Per the linked NYT story, this was not just a local election, this election took on outsize significance, and was viewed as a referendum on the unrest that has created the city’s worst political crisis in decades. ALT3 blurb suggestion: 2019 Hong Kong local elections result in the biggest landslide in the city's history, with the pro-democracy camp winning 17 out of 18 district council seats. – Levivich 04:49, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - Was going to nominate myself but seeing the previous oppose to local election nominations, did not do so. However we can see that this is top news worldwide and the article is well referenced with sufficient prose. We can do an exception in this case, we are not saying that local elections should be ITNR. Sherenk1 (talk) 06:13, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Levivich's proposal. Anything which is top news on both Reuters and Agence France Presse (11/25/2019 - 06:36 story, and see the editor's choice left and centre videos) should easily qualify for a blurb. The outcome was "nothing short of a revolution", Hong Kong political analyst Willy Lam said. "It's a sound repudiation of the (Hong Kong) administration and Beijing's policy toward Hong Kong." starship.paint (talk) 06:56, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support add blurb/remove from Ongoing. ITNR is not a requirement for posting; non-ITNR items may be posted after establishing significance, and this meets that criteria. The article is in good shape. Elections are considered by all parties to be significant events, whereas the protest details are very routine and would get SNOWed if nominated alone. We can add the protests back to Ongoing if necessary.130.233.2.197 (talk) 07:28, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support. They may be local elections but, given the current situation in Hong Kong, they are clearly significant enough to feature on the front page of major international news outlets. I also think this can be compatible with keeping the protests article in the Ongoing section; the articles are related and complement each other as they each tackle different aspects of the situation. Conejero intl (talk) 11:00, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support - Local elections though they may be, there is an extraordinary amount of international attention being paid to them by the news media. As it's in the news, we'd be remiss not to include it.--WaltCip (talk) 12:58, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted Went with the original blurb. --Jayron32 13:15, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• PP support – Interesting that they allowed any election at all. – Sca (talk) 14:10, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Can we modify the blurb so that the
  protests to it? This context is what makes these elections important. ― Hebsen_{(previously Heb the best)} (talk) 19:40, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Support - I agree with the suggestions made by @Hebsen:. The election is significant, not only because of pro-democratic bloc's victory, but also because it essentially functions as a referendum to show that the public is still supporting the Hong Kong protesters. OceanHok (talk) 14:14, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Stale) RD: Goo Hara

Article: Goo Hara (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, The Guardian, The Independent
Credits:

• Nominated by
  talk · give credit
  )

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see

talk) 16:49, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

• Oppose 39 [citation needed]s? The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 18:14, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose There are too many (like 40) cn templates.
  talk) 23:04, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Oppose 36 citation needed templates in case anyone wanted an update. Kees08 (Talk) 07:22, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I have updated most of the [citation needed] templates. However, I am unable to find RS for her earlier works. Left with 9 citation needed templates. Hope this wouldn't disqualify her death from being put up as the crux was her suicide and the events surrounding it (which are cited). robertsky (talk) 15:58, 30 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  Sorry this is now stale because it is older than the last death currently on ITN — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 19:15, 30 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

2019 Davis Cup

Article: 2019 Davis Cup (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In tennis, the Davis Cup concludes with Spain winning their sixth title. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Eurosport
Credits:

• Nominated by Conejero intl (talk · give credit)
• Created by Cristóbalrguacl (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: The Davis Cup is the premier international team event in men's tennis. Known as the "World Cup" of tennis, it is one of the few tennis events in which players are part of national teams. Conejero intl (talk) 07:37, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose - Limited prose in the article, specifically about the results of the matches ~mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 13:25, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support - Acceptable. STSC (talk) 19:09, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose For lack of prose, throughout the article, AND in the manifold, sprawling table-laden daughter articles. Groups of articles like this are fine as far as they go: documenting the fine-details results of a long competition in tables. But they are just not suitable for ITN. 130.233.2.197 (talk) 10:13, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

November 23

Portal:Current events/2019 November 23

November 23, 2019 (2019-11-23) (Saturday) edit history watch Armed conflicts and attacks Syrian Civil War, November 2019 Syria bombings A car bomb detonates in Tell Abyad, Raqqa Governorate, killing ten people and wounding 25 others. (Reuters) 2019 Colombian protests Three Colombian police are killed and seven wounded by a car bomb in Santander de Quilichao, Cauca province. (The Guardian) Health and environment 2019 Samoa measles outbreak Tonga and Fiji declare a state of emergency as part of an ongoing measles outbreak. Conditions worsen in Samoa where the death toll continues to rise and schools remain closed. There are 1,797 confirmed cases as of Saturday, with 153 detected on Friday alone. (BBC News) International relations 2019 Iranian fuel protests Iranian Vice President Eshaq Jahangiri warns regional states of dire consequences, claiming the protests are "directly linked to the United States, Saudi Arabia, and Israel." (Reuters) Iran–Iraq relations The countries. (Reuters) China–United States relations Foreign Affairs Minister Wang Yi accuses the United States of being the "world's biggest destabilizing factor" and of "smearing China everywhere" at the G20 meeting in Nagoya. (Reuters) Australia–China relations, Chinese intelligence activity abroad Sydney Morning Herald newspapers, report that a Chinese spy, Wang ‘William’ Liqiang - who defected to Australia, gives counter-espionage agency the names of senior military intelligence officers he says funded and conducted operations in Hong Kong, Taiwan and Australia. (South China Morning Post) Wang says he was personally involved in infiltration and disruption operations in all three territories, and “revealed in granular detail” how Beijing covertly controls listed companies to fund intelligence operations, including the surveillance and profiling of dissidents and the co-opting of media organizations. (BBC News) Wang is now seeking asylum in Australia, saying he ‘will be dead’ if he returns home. (ABC) The Shanghai police department says that Wang is a conman who was convicted for fraud in 2016 and is being investigated for another case of fraud since April 2019. (South China Morning Post) Pope Francis travels to Japan During his 23 to 26 November journey to Japan, Pope Francis visits Tokyo, Nagasaki and Hiroshima. The only pope to previously visit Japan was Pope John Paul II from 23–26 February 1981. (Holy See Press Office) (Vatican News) Politics and elections 2019 Bougainvillean independence referendum People in the Papua New Guinea central government will have the final say on accepting independence. (RNZ) 2019 referendum on the creation of a Sidama region The Sidama Zone passed with 98.5% of the vote. (Reuters) Harvard-Yale football game A non-violent protest was held at the Yale football game at halftime. The apparently scheduled protest included both Yale and Harvard students. The students were protesting the colleges' usage of endowments from fossil fuel companies. The game was delayed for about an hour. There were some arrests. (CNN) (The New York Times} Sports 2019 Copa Libertadores The premier Flamengo beating titleholders River Plate 2-1 in Lima's Monumental Stadium. It is their first title since 1981 and second overall. (BBC Sport)

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(Posted) 2019 Copa Libertadores Final

Article: 

Copa Libertadores Final (Post)
News source(s): BBC

Credits:

• Nominated by NorthernFalcon (talk · give credit)
• Created by Neistron (talk · give credit)
• Updated by 
  talk · give credit) and Chanheigeorge (talk · give credit
  )

Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on

WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: This was nominated last year and posted, and it's the most significant club soccer match outside of Europe. There's also a bit of political background to it as the match was postponed and moved due to the Chilean protests. The article however could use a little bit of updating before being posted. NorthernFalcon (talk) 11:22, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

• Support. Article seems to have been updated after the match with the latest developments. Clearly a very notable game. MSN12102001 (talk) 13:45, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose This is not how sporting event pages need to be updated. There's no prose on the game itself.
  2019 Copa Libertadores Final#Match needs prose. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:51, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Oppose no summary of the match. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 18:57, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose but will support if a summary of the match itself is added
  talk) 23:25, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Support – This is ITNR and appears ready to post. There is now a sourced match summary. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 00:36, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support. A prose summary of the match has been added and the article seems good enough to me. I've just done a copyedit. Modest Genius ^talk 14:03, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
•  Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:58, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Liu Shahe

Article: Liu Shahe (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Paper
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Zanhe (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see

WP:ITNRD.

 Zanhe (talk) 10:40, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

• Support I don't see any problems.
  talk) 23:27, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Posted --valereee (talk) 02:51, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Murder of Grace Millane

No consensus to post. Spencer^T•C 17:22, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Murder of Grace Millane (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A 27 year old man has been convicted of the murder of 22 year old tourist Grace Millane in New Zealand. (Post)
News source(s): https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/403901/guilty-verdict-in-grace-millane-murder-trial
Credits:

• Nominated by MaxBrowne2 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Nixinova (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Akld guy (talk · give credit), Lcmortensen (talk · give credit) and Andykatib (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: High profile murder case in New Zealand which has received international coverage. MaxBrowne2 (talk) 01:54, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose good faith nom. Even in the middle of this unusually slow period at ITN, I don't think we should be posting tabloid news. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:12, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Not considered "tabloid" in nz and the failure of the "rough sex" defence is legally significant. MaxBrowne2 (talk) 04:34, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, as per this article, "Concern grows over ‘rough sex gone wrong’ defence in courts", in The Guardian [7]. The case - from her disappearance to the murder trial - was certainly not tabloid news in Australia either. RebeccaGreen (talk) 06:45, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't say it was tabloid in the UK either, and whole case is significant there because of how NZ always seen as safe for single female travelers. Kingsif (talk) 04:49, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose A murder verdict is legit major breaking news, by any court reporter's standards, but a weird time to start publicizing a story. Save updates for previous ITN-featured allegations, suspects or victims. Less jarring for the unfamiliar that way. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:02, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment If this story was going to be featured, conviction is the correct time - ITN does not feature allegations, suspects or charges in almost all instances (in part due to
    WP:BLP considerations). Crimes do sometimes feature when they happen, but that's judged on individual merit at the time. Thryduulf (talk) 12:41, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
    ]
• Oppose May be a high profile NZ case, but it doesn't have international ramifications. --Masem (t) 05:08, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The victim, her parents and most everyone who'd know her to miss her were and will be dealing with this in England long after what's-his-name stops bothering New Zealanders. But yeah, the NZ news is hit harder than the UK press. Ri Chun-hee is apparently unmoved, for better or worse. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:55, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'd also add that the people involved here were not high profile, in contrast to the Oscar Pistorius case which I know we did post despite arguing also having no significant international importance. May be high profile in the country of interest (and this would go for any US case too, we aren't special in that regard) but its easy in such a case to judge how international media is coveraging it to know if it has recognizability beyond the country borders. --Masem (t) 15:17, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose Not of major international significance.  Nixinova  T C   05:36, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose A run-of-the-mill murder case blown out of proportion by the media. Lcmortensen (mailbox) 06:30, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose – Per Masem, et al. – Sca (talk) 15:13, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose. Per above. MSN12102001 (talk) 15:14, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose. Though tragic, I don't believe this belongs on the first page. Wikipedia is not a newspaper. LefcentrerightTalk (plz ping) 17:09, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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William Wang (defector)

Article: 

William Wang (defector) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: No blurb specified (Post

)
News source(s): see Mandarin Chinese Wikipedia version
Credits:

• Nominated by Geographyinitiative (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Defector making allegations about Chinese government involvement in Taiwan, Hong Kong and Australia Geographyinitiative (talk) 00:39, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose Stub article, no blurb, no sources presented. I don't speak Mandarin so why would I go to the Mandarin Wikipedia? Further, your nom comment suggests the story is about a defector making allegations. That doesn't mean they're true. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:09, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support on significance - it's seeing a lot of coverage in different countries. The allegations have been taken seriously as well, with Taiwan opening investigations already. However, the article is threadbare right now; it'll need more details to be posted. Banedon (talk) 01:29, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose It's hard to tell yet whether the guy is a real spy or not, but he's quite possibly a fraudster, see The Age. In any case, this does not rise to the significance of a blurb (at first glance I thought it was an RD nomination). -Zanhe (talk) 04:14, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose. The article is mostly reaction to his defection, might fail
  WP:BLP issues. There's no indication of any major significance or even if his allegations are plausible. The nomination was incomplete ('see Mandarin Wikipedia' is not a legitimate source) and gives no rationale either. Modest Genius ^talk 14:08, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Oppose - Not proven allegations from someone just wanted to stay in Australia. STSC (talk) 19:06, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Stale) RD: Barbara Hillary

Article: 

talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT obit

Credits:

• Nominated by Wugapodes (talk · give credit)
• Created by TheThingy (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see

WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: First black woman to reach either and both global poles. Wug·a·po·des​ 18:40, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

I'm really sorry. This is a decent article but is too stale to post now. We have had a rush of good nominations lately. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:12, 29 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

November 22

Portal:Current events/2019 November 22

November 22, 2019 (2019-11-22) (Friday) edit history watch Business and economy China–United States trade war The U.S. national wireless carriers remove both companies' products from their existing networks. The companies have 30 days to appeal. (Reuters) 2019 Japan–South Korea trade dispute computer chips and displays. (Voice of America) US$10 billion cloud computing contract to Microsoft. The company had previously accused the Department of bias in their decision, given CEO Jeff Bezos has been a vocal critic of U.S. President Donald Trump. (Reuters) Health and environment 2019 Samoa measles outbreak Samoa confirms that 20 persons, all but one under the age of four, have died of measles, and 11 more are in critical condition. Authorities recorded 1,644 cases since the outbreak began last month. (RNZ) International relations Chagos Archipelago sovereignty dispute The United Kingdom misses a United Nations deadline to return control of the disputed Chagos Archipelago to Mauritius, prompting the government of Mauritius to call the UK an "illegal colonial occupier". (BBC News) Law and crime Murder of Grace Millane After a three-week trial, a 27-year-old New Zealand man is found guilty of murdering 22-year-old British tourist Grace Millane in Auckland in December 2018. (BBC News) Former Paraguayan Congresswoman Cynthia Tarragó is arrested alongside her husband at Newark Liberty International Airport in Newark, New Jersey and charged with money laundering, following an undercover operation from FBI agents who purported to be drug traffickers. According to court documents, in addition to money laudering, Tarragó offered to traffic drugs herself from Paraguay. (ABC Color) (Última Hora) (The Philadelphia Inquirer) Politics and elections 2021 German federal election centre-right party continues to disagree over support. (BBC News) (The Guardian) (The Telegraph) 2019 Bolivian protests, 2019 Bolivian political crisis Bolivia's new interior minister, Arturo Murillo, files a criminal complaint against former President Evo Morales for alleged sedition and terrorism. (The Guardian) (Reuters)

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(Posted) RD: Stephen Cleobury

Article: Stephen Cleobury (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:

• Nominated by Klbrain (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit) and Martinevans123 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see

WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Death announced on 23rd. Choral conductor best known for annual Christmas broadcasts of Carols from Kings for 37 years, broadcast internationally. Klbrain (talk) 15:13, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

• Comment: Thank you for the nomination! I am still working on it, CDs need refs (will do that next). Formatting of refs is substandard, facts could be added. Sad. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:18, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Update: Added a few more facts from a Guardian obit. A note the addition of further referencing for the CDs by Gerda Arendt, which look good. Klbrain (talk) 18:04, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Update: all referenced. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:16, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support the "as conductor" section should be in chronological order, but the rest is okay, so fine for me. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 18:19, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support, all sourced. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:57, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support, and thank you to User:Martinevans123 and User:Gerda Arendt for their work on this, you've really turned this around. Rob (talk) 21:41, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted Kees08 (Talk) 22:36, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Arthur Marks

Article: Arthur Marks (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Hollywood Reporter
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by DBigXray (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see

WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: C Class article, needs volunteers to help with the sourcing. Death announced on 22. DBigXrayᗙ 09:29, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

• Oppose refs needed. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 18:20, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Michael J. Pollard

Article: Michael J. Pollard (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): USA Today
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by DBigXray (talk · give credit)
• Updated by PumpkinButter (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see

WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Start Class article, needs volunteers to help with the sourcing. Death announced on 22. DBigXrayᗙ 09:15, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

• Oppose most of the prose seems referenced, but the filmography isn't and that even includes works which don't have articles... The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 18:21, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Henry Sobel

Article: Henry Sobel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Globo.com, Folha de S. Paulo
Credits:

• Nominated by
  talk · give credit
  )

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see

talk) 01:48, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

• Comment I am not wowed by the overall quality of the article. There are orange tags which are a showstopper at ITN. And frankly the article seems to have a lot of gaps. It needs expansion and more details on his life. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:18, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose I agree with the tags: the article is 45% bio, 45% arrest/hospitalization, 10% other. Probably not balanced. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 18:23, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Gugu Liberato

Article: Gugu Liberato (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Globo.com, Folha de S. Paulo, Veja, Time24News
Credits:

• Nominated by
  talk · give credit
  )

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see

talk) 01:41, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

• Oppose - orange tagged for references. Thryduulf (talk) 12:42, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose for now. Too many paragraphs are still unreferenced. LefcentrerightTalk (plz ping) 17:06, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support. Referencing fixed. LefcentrerightTalk (plz ping) 21:19, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Did he really fall from the ceiling? Or did he fall off a roof? Zagalejo^^^ 18:00, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • talk) 19:31, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
    ]
• Comment
  talk) 19:31, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Support Looks better now. – Ammarpad (talk)
• Weak oppose what's there seems cited, but it's a little hagiographical for me. It's all about how great he was. And I'm not enamoured by phrases like Santos was about to undergo a delicate surgery and made a millionaire proposal to Gugu because (a) I don't understand "a delicate surgery" and (b) "a millionaire proposal" sounds proper tabloid. It's just one example of the floral and overtly positive writing. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 18:25, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • @
    SirEdimon: Would you be able to address TRMs weak oppose? Kees08 (Talk) 16:01, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
    ]
    • talk) 02:19, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
      ]
      • All I'm sayin is that it needs to be written neutral and encyclopedic in tone, which when I looked, it wasn't. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 11:12, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Colombia protests

Article: 

anti-government protests in Colombia (pictured), amid growing unrest across Latin America.
News source(s): BBC

Credits:

• Nominated by Kingsif (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Could in some way tie it to the final absolute jump-off point of the new Latin American Spring. Kingsif (talk) 00:53, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Support Could use a little more expansion about what led to the protests in the first place, but meets minimum standards. Spencer^T•C 17:23, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose Sadly, three deaths in a protest just isnt a notable blurb in today's world. Perhaps post to ongoing, but no new additions since the 22nd.—Bagumba (talk) 07:24, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's at seven deaths (in the first 2 days), I just thought three on the first day was rather notable. Compared to only one death in HK protests all year. Kingsif (talk) 16:56, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose like Bagumba, the initial story is "meh" and yet the article seems to be suggesting this is an ongoing issue. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 18:26, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support blurb and ongoing later. Hundreds of thousands of people involved, dominates national news, etc. Banedon (talk) 01:31, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support - Globally and regionally significant news. STSC (talk) 19:15, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support per above. Davey2116 (talk) 03:26, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Remove: Trump impeachment inquiry

No consensus for removal. --LaserLegs (talk) 00:05, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 

talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)

Nominator's comments: Lots of sound and fury this week, but nothing major beyond a handful of witness testimonies. It might be best to revisit re-posting this to the main page once there's an actual impeachment vote in the Senate. As it is now, both sides seem pretty firmly entrenched in their positions. --WaltCip (talk) 13:06, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

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• Keep Slow week? Did you forget your winking smiley after this? Tuesday and Wednesday's testimony was the most substantial event since the whistle-blower. Also the impeachment vote is in the house; the removal vote is in the Senate. GreatCaesarsGhost 13:49, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep until he is acquitted, resigns or is removed. It's going to be front page news everywhere until them, and we serve our readers by helping them find reliable information about this topic. Jehochman ^Talk 13:53, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  Exactly the same could be said for Brexit. And actually, Trump's impeachment is nowhere near front page news in the UK, whereas Brexit and our general election (as a result of Brexit deadlock) most certainly is. We could serve our (non-American) readers well by restoring Brexit if this argument holds any water. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 16:44, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep I supported removal last time but after this week, how could we remove it? ~mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:02, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Remove per nom. If we were considering these events in isolation, they would not be posted as individual ITN items until the final vote. Spencer^T•C 15:04, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Remove The event is going to take months (between the current questioning, the House forming and voting on the terms of impeachment, etc.) It's major news, and there's a ton of coverage of it in US sources, but its going to be like this through the end of the Congressional term before they take their holiday break, and likely to continue into Jan and Feb. Clearly, if the House votes to pass the terms of impeachment, that's a blurb, and at the point if the Senate holds their sessions to actually determine if to convict, that might be where ongoing would be appropriate again since that would be more reasonably limited in its time frame (a month or so). --Masem (t) 15:16, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep This is what ongoing is for. The article continues to be updated, as the process is ongoing. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:22, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose – (keep) – Developments continue. Today DT sez he wants to be impeached. This is the most significant political topic in the U.S. since the days of "I am not a crook." [8] – Sca (talk) 16:39, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Per above. MSN12102001 (talk) 16:50, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Article has been updated essentially daily, and has a full paragraph of new information just about the events of yesterday. Meets all of the requirements for Ongoing items in spades. --Jayron32 16:52, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Muboshgu and Jayron. I have to say that "nothing major beyond a handful of witness testimonies" is quite an understatement considering how much coverage they generated.-- P-K3 (talk) 17:17, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per above. Still in the news, still updated frequently. Davey2116 (talk) 21:07, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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UK misses an UNGA deadline to hand over Chagos Archipelago to Mauritius

Article: Chagos Archipelago sovereignty dispute (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The African Union denounces the United Kingdom for its "continued colonial administration" of the Chagos Archipelago as it fails to meet the 22 November deadline set by the United Nations General Assembly to hand over the islands to Mauritius. (Post)
News source(s): African Union, Anadolu Agency, Euronews, TeleSUR
Credits:

• Nominated by Viva Nicolás (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: This is a significant development in the history of decolonisation, the Chagos Archipelago is the last remaining European colony in Africa and among the last in the world. Also highlights the UK's disregard for an UNGA resolution which almost unanimously decided that the occupation of the islands is illegal. Viva Nicolás (talk) 16:07, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose Article has no update, unclear the significance of missing the deadline, and seems more written for
  WP:RGW than ITN. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:16, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• There are no updates in the article and it is too long. An interesting story, otherwise. Would support if the article was ok. --Tone 16:16, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose Holy quotes... article is not really up to par, hasn't been updated yet, and per Muboshgu, we're not trying to
  WP:RGW ~mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 16:48, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Oppose. The UNGA is a largely toothless body, aside from the RGW issue. 331dot (talk) 23:34, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support - Must tell the world about this. STSC (talk) 19:19, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That's what the news is for, not Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 19:24, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, yes.

ITN would tell the world. STSC (talk) 17:46, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

We don't

right great wrongs. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:50, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

• Oppose on significance.-- P-K3 (talk) 17:55, 27 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

November 21

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November 21, 2019 (2019-11-21) (Thursday) edit history watch Armed conflicts and attacks 2019 Bolivian protests government protest. (France 24) (International Business Times) (Reuters) Disasters and accidents Two USAF airmen are killed when two planes collide at Vance Air Force Base in Enid, Oklahoma, United States. (Associated Press) An explosion at a fireworks factory in the town of Barcellona Pozzo di Gotto, Sicily, Italy, kills five people and injures two others. (Sky News) International relations Cross-Strait relations After the Taiwanese independence, China condemns the move as a "disaster" which crosses a red line China is not willing to accept. (Reuters) Law and crime 2019 Hong Kong protests The British Parliament. The judge cites the risk of absconding and says he can remain in the city to help restore peace. (The Independent) 2019 Chilean protests human rights violations committed by the Carabineros and the Armed Forces against peaceful protesters. (Reuters) Investigations involving Benjamin Netanyahu Prime Minister of Israel Benjamin Netanyahu is officially indicted by Attorney General Avichai Mandelblit for bribery, fraud, and breach of trust. Netanyahu protests the allegations as being part of a political "witch-hunt" against him. (The Guardian) 2019 Iranian fuel protests The Supreme National Security Council gradually restores the internet to some provinces and parts of Tehran, after shutting it off nationwide five days ago to counteract protests. (Al Jazeera) Nine Extinction Rebellion protesters are arrested for storming U.S. House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s office. (Washington Post) Politics and elections Vanuatu backtracks on a controversial law that would have allowed immigration authorities to racially profile and closely follow people from the Middle East. (RNZ) 2019 Colombian protests Thousands of protestors take to the streets in Iván Duque Márquez. The protests were instigated over controversial tax and labor reforms proposed by Congress, murders of indigenous leaders, and the government’s failure to implement the FARC peace deal. (Washington Post)

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(Closed) Half-Life: Alyx

Consensus will not develop to post. Stephen 02:07, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Half-Life: Alyx (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In video games, Valve Corporation announces Half-Life: Alyx, the first game in its series since 2007. (Post)
News source(s): Polygon Gamespot engadget The Verge
Credits:

• Nominated by
  talk · give credit
  )

Nominator's comments: I agree that most video game-related news are unfit for ITN, however this specific event is something that has been rumored for decades and has become legendary over the years - it already googles over 23 million. 

T C L) 09:09, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

• Oppose posting a product announcement not covered in depth in mainstream media(not just niche publications). 331dot (talk) 09:12, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose per 331dot. – Ammarpad (talk) 09:23, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose an announcement of a video game? Nope. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 18:28, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose. The scheduled release isn't even until March. If at that time this game becomes front-page news in mainstream publications, let's talk. Funcrunch (talk) 20:31, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong oppose - I will commit every waking breath of mine on Wikipedia to ensure a video game item never makes it to ITN, or else may God strike me dead. This particular item is not especially notable. WaltCip (talk) 21:27, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong oppose Even as a VG centric editor and aware how major this is in that industry, this is clearly not ITN. ITN is not really for any type of product announcements regardless of how much an impact they could have in that industry. --Masem (t) 21:33, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose if it's released and becomes a phenomenon (see Pokemon Go) then maybe, but until then this is premature. Banedon (talk) 01:31, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: John Mann

Article: John Mann (musician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Globe and Mail
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Paul Erik (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see

WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Lead singer of the band Spirit of the West died November 20. The bio is reasonably well referenced. Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 01:19, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

• Support Article is in decent shape and well referenced. Discography needs a cite, but by itself that's not enough to stop posting. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:57, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support good to go. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 11:50, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted. Thryduulf (talk) 15:32, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

November 20

Portal:Current events/2019 November 20

November 20, 2019 (2019-11-20) (Wednesday) edit history watch Armed conflicts and attacks Syrian Civil War The Iranian fighters. (Associated Press) Missiles and airstrikes strike a crowded facility in Qah and Idlib, killing approximately over 20 including women and children. Activists claim that Syrian Armed Forces were behind the attack. (BBC News) War in Afghanistan The U.S. military says two American service members have been killed in a helicopter crash in Afghanistan. (USA Today) 2019 Bolivian protests The death toll in the protests rises to 30. (Reuters) 2019 Iranian fuel protests According to the human rights organization Amnesty International, casualties are estimated to be around 106 protestors and rising. (Radiofarda) Yemeni Civil War (2015–present) Houthi militants release the South Korean ship they captured two days prior. (Al Jazeera) Allied Democratic Forces insurgency Militants target civilians in the DR Congo near the border with Uganda, killing 19 and kidnapping others. Churches were also burned down in two separate attacks. It is believed that the Allied Democratic Forces is behind the attacks. (Reuters) Arts and culture Prince Andrew, Duke of York, halts all public duties in light of allegations of rape, saying his "ill-judged" association with American convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein had caused major disruption to the royal family's work. (Reuters) Business and economy 2019 Japan–South Korea trade dispute South Korea's finance minister Hong Nam-ki presses Japan to take steps to lift its export restrictions. (Yonhap) 2019 Hong Kong protests pro-democracy movement in the city. (The Telegraph) Google announces it will ban targeted ads that use voter data, effective within a week. (Reuters) International relations Iran–Saudi Arabia relations King Salman of Saudi Arabia blames Iran for the "chaos and destruction" their multiple missiles and drone attacks have caused in the country, and reiterates that his country will not hesitate to defend itself. (Reuters) Pope Francis arrives in Bangkok for a three-day visit to Thailand. The Catholic Church in Thailand is celebrating 350 years of Holy See recognition of the Church in Thailand. Bishop Arpondratana of Chiang Mai diocese states that the pope's visit is important for the Church in all of Asia. (Catholic News Agency) Law and crime Pohiva Tuʻiʻonetoa on social media. (RNZ) Ali al-Haj, secretary of the Popular Congress Party, is arrested after Sudanese authorities summon him for questioning over his role in the coup d’état that put former President Omar al-Bashir in power. (Reuters) International reactions to the Rohingya genocide The office of Myanmar's civilian leader, Aung San Suu Kyi, releases a statement announcing that she will personally lead the legal team defending the Burmese military's actions against the Rohingya minority in the International Criminal Court. Nine days earlier, fifty-seven countries led by The Gambia filed a lawsuit in the International Criminal Court, formally accusing Myanmar of committing genocide against the Rohingya. (CNN) (TIME) Politics and elections 2019 referendum on the creation of a Sidama region The Sidama Zone. If autonomy is approved, then local taxes, education, security and laws will be decided by the Sidama instead of the government of Ethiopia. (Reuters) 2020 Israeli legislative election Blue and White Alliance leader Benny Gantz's mandate to form a new government expires. As both he and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu failed to form one, Israel will likely face a third election in two years. (Al Jazeera)

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(Posted) Wataru Misaka

Article: 

talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times

Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Bagumba (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Tookabreather (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see

NBA. —Bagumba (talk) 04:08, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

• Needs a citation for the career statistics but it otherwise looks good. Thryduulf (talk) 09:22, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  @Thryduulf: Citation added now. Thanks.—Bagumba (talk) 10:49, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Support - can't find any problems with this article ~mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 12:28, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
•  Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:03, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Fábio Barreto

Article: Fábio Barreto (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Folha de S. Paulo, Globo.com
Credits:

• Nominated by
  talk · give credit
  )

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see

talk) 01:12, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

• Comment IMDb is used a reference four times. The article appears well-referenced outside of that. Hrodvarsson (talk) 04:15, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• talk) 04:22, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]

• Support Hrodvarsson (talk) 04:29, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• One citation missing, which I've tagged, but its not a crucial sentence so if you can't easily find a citation you can probably just remove it. Once that's sorted though this will be good to go. Thryduulf (talk) 09:25, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• talk) 11:38, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]

• Support - per the change made as requested by Thryduulf, looks good to go ~mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 12:27, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 13:01, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

==9/9/2001

Portal:Current events/2019 November 19

November 19, 2019 (2019-11-19) (Tuesday) edit history watch Armed conflicts and attacks War in Afghanistan, Afghan peace process In kidnapped outside the American University of Afghanistan in 2016. Three high-ranking Taliban militants are released in exchange for the hostages. (BBC News) ISIL, citing the surrender of over 600 of their fighters in the past weeks as an example that the group has given up. (Reuters) Second Libyan Civil War Libyan National Army (LNA) warplanes carry out airstrikes on the port city of Misrata. The LNA say they were targeting munitions and armored vehicles that had been delivered from Turkey. (Reuters) 2019 Iranian fuel protests security forces, bringing the death toll up to 11. (Al Jazeera) Amnesty International reports that 106 protesters have been killed during the protest. Some reports indicate a much higher death toll. (BBC News) (National Post) 2019 Hong Kong protests After the attack on pro-democracy activist Jimmy Sham the month prior, another pro-democracy activist, Albert Ho, is attacked by masked men at a minibus stop. (South China Morning Post) 2019 Bolivian protests At least three people are killed and 22 injured after Bolivian police and military forces use armored vehicles and helicopters to unblock access to a major fuel plant that had been blockaded by supporters of former president Evo Morales. (The Guardian) Bolivia's congress, controlled by lawmakers from Morales' Movement for Socialism (MAS) party, said it would cancel a contentious vote in the legislature that had been expected to reject Morales' resignation. (Reuters) Business and economy 2019 Japan–South Korea trade dispute Officials from Japan and South Korea hold their second round of trade talks as part of the World Trade Organization's dispute settlement process. (NHK World-Japan) Japan and South Korea have failed to narrow their differences over Japan's export controls in the second round of bilateral talks. (NHK World-Japan) Amid continuing fallout over rape allegations against Prince Andrew, Duke of York, and controversy over his close friendship with convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, several businesses—including British banking group Standard Chartered, KPMG, Aon and drug giant AstraZeneca—cut ties with the Prince. Pitch@Palace, an initiative founded by Prince Andrew to support entrepreneurs, removes its entire web page listing its supporters. (Yahoo! News) (CNN) Health and environment Fifteen children are confirmed (and three more suspected) dead from measles in Samoa as the illness epidemic continues within the country. (Radio New Zealand) International Relations 2019 Hong Kong protests The U.S. Senate unanimously passes the Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act, which mandates that the State Department at least annually checks to see if Hong Kong retains enough autonomy to retain its special trade status with the United States. The Senate also unanimously passes another bill banning the sale of certain crowd-control munitions to the Hong Kong police. The former's passage is condemned by China. (Reuters) Law and crime Assange v Swedish Prosecution Authority A Swedish prosecutor says she will drop charges of rape against Julian Assange after a review of the evidence. (Reuters) Death of Jeffrey Epstein Two prison guards who worked at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in New York City are arrested in connection with the death of American financier and convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. The guards are accused of falsifying the records of their watch the night Epstein was found dead. (Washington Examiner) (New York Post) The Governor Ralph Torres amid an ongoing Federal Bureau of Investigation investigation into his businesses. (Radio New Zealand) Crime in Germany Son of former German president Richard von Weizsäcker, a physician, is stabbed to death during a lecture. The attacker is reported as 57 years old. (Deutsche Welle) (The Berlin Spectator) Operation Car Wash A Rio de Janeiro judge issues an arrest warrant against former President of Paraguay Horacio Cartes, accusing him of operating a money laundering scheme with a friend, Dario Messer, who is prosecuted as part of Operation Car Wash. (EFE) (Clarín) Politics and elections Shinzō Abe becomes the longest-serving Prime Minister of Japan. (The Straits Times) 2019 Chilean protests An impeachment inquiry is launched against ongoing protests. (World Socialist Web Site) Prime Minister of Kuwait, replacing Jaber Al-Mubarak Al-Hamad Al-Sabah. (Gulf News) 2019 Montserratian general election After his victory in the general election, Easton Taylor-Farrell is sworn in as Premier of Montserrat. (RJR News) Silveria Jacobs is appointed as the new Prime Minister of Sint Maarten. (The Daily Herald)

Name:Aryan kumar mohali

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November 18

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November 18, 2019 (2019-11-18) (Monday) edit history watch Armed conflicts and attacks 2019 Hong Kong protests Police seal off and trap hundreds of students and protesters inside Hong Kong Polytechnic University amid fears of a crackdown. After a police officer is injured, security forces threaten to fire live bullets if protesters do not give up lethal weapons. (Reuters) Protesters manage to escape from the university by shimmying down plastic hosing from a bridge and fleeing on waiting motorbikes as the police fire projectiles. (Reuters) Second Libyan Civil War An airstrike on a biscuit shop kills five Bangladeshi nationals and two Libyans and wounds 33 others in Tripoli, Libya. A U.N. envoy to Libya claims that it could be a war crime. (The Seattle Times) Yemeni Civil War (2015–present) A South Korean oil drilling rig is seized by Houthi rebels. It is unknown how many sailors were on board. (Al Jazeera) (The Guardian) 2019 Iranian fuel protests A Revolutionary Guard commander vows decisive action to restore calm to Iran. (Newsweek) The death toll in the protests rises to 12, but reports vary. (BBC News) Northern Mali conflict Militants kill 24 soldiers and wound 29 others on an army patrol in northern Mali. Seventeen militants were also killed in the melee. 6 injured soldiers later die increasing the death toll to 42. (Reuters) (The New York Times) Business and economy Japan opens its first military arms show, as it tries to improve its military technology to combat external threats from China and North Korea. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents Fukushima nuclear disaster The Japanese government authorizes a release of contaminated water from the plant into the Pacific Ocean. Officials say that the release represents a "significantly small" risk to human health. (Kyodo News Plus) International relations Ukrainian crisis Russia returns three Ukrainian Navy vessels it seized during an incident in the Kerch Strait last year. (Deutsche Welle) (Reuters) Israel–United States relations, Israeli occupation of the West Bank The Trump administration announces that the United States no longer considers Israeli settlement of the West Bank as illegal per se under international law. The announcement is praised by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, and condemned by the European Union, the Palestinian National Authority, and Jordanian Foreign Affairs Minister Ayman Safadi. (The Guardian) Law and crime 2019 Hong Kong protests The Hong Kong High Court rules that the government's mask ban violates the Basic Law. (South China Morning Post) LGBT rights in Saudi Arabia Two Saudi journalists, one of whom worked for CNN and the BBC, are outed as gay, which prompts them to flee and seek asylum in Australia. (Reuters) 2019 Bolivian protests Interim interior minister Arturo Murillo threatens to arrest MAS legislators, who refuse to recognize Jeanine Áñez's legitimacy, for "subversion". (The Globe Post) Politics and elections Marshall Islands general election Citizens cast their votes for the 33 members of the country's legislature. (Reuters) 2019 Bolivian protests Thousands of Bolivian coca farmers came out in protest in favour of Evo Morales and called for the resignation of Añez as Acting President. (Reuters)

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(Posted) RD: Terry O'Neill

Article: Terry O'Neill (photographer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, Sky News
Credits:

• Nominated by Martinevans123 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Lopifalko (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see

WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Swinging 60s British photographer. May be some sourcing required. but not a very long article. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:11, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

• Weak oppose the ref for the books fails verification for me, but the rest is okay. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 19:21, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• So are ISBNs sufficient on their own? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:27, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Most certainly. I didn't see those when I looked. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 20:28, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Can't believe you've missed that cn tag. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:30, 18 November 2019 (UTC) [reply]

• Um, I added the {{failed verification}} tag, not a cn tag. Cheers though. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 20:50, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the one that's now gone. Perhaps we can just ignore the cn tag then. Cheers though. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:04, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Well quite possibly, but I'm not sure what it has to do with your jokey small text comment. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 21:11, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Support I've cited that single cn. Black Kite (talk) 23:27, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Thanks. Can't see any reason to oppose now. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:31, 19 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

•  Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:25, 19 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Thanks for the quick turnaround on this one. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:33, 19 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: John Brown

Article: John Campbell Brown (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): RAS Uni. Glasgow
Credits:

• Nominated by Modest Genius (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see

WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: The Astronomer Royal for Scotland. His death was announced in reliable sources on the 18th, but he actually died on the 16th. Unfortunately the RSes don't mention the exact date of death, but otherwise the article seems adequately sourced. Modest Genius ^talk 12:41, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

The death date is now sourced to a local newspaper. Struck above. Modest Genius ^talk 17:56, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Support The article is well-referenced, but could do with expansion if anyone wants to help! Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:32, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose stub. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 18:36, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  @The Rambling Man: It's 'start' not 'stub', and is currently being expanded. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:56, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  It's a stub. Cheers. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 18:57, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  Support much better now. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 19:19, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Support Looks fine. Andrew D. (talk) 19:09, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Cited well ~mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 19:14, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Wait, I thought John Brown
  p 21:04, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Posted. Black Kite (talk) 23:22, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

November 17

Portal:Current events/2019 November 17

November 17, 2019 (2019-11-17) (Sunday) edit history watch Armed conflicts and attacks 2019 Hong Kong protests Clashes erupt on the campus of petrol bombs, and set fires. (Reuters) Pro-democracy activist Joshua Wong urges Germany to stop military assistance to China. (Outlook) Disasters and accidents A gas explosion in Chittagong, Bangladesh, kills at least seven people and injures eight. (Reuters) The first known case of COVID-19 is traced to a 55-year-old man who had visited a market in Wuhan, Hubei Province, China. Health and environment 2019 Samoa measles outbreak In response to a measles outbreak, Samoa declares a state of emergency, closes all schools and urges all persons under 17 to avoid public gatherings. (ABC News) International relations 2018–19 Korean peace process U.S. Defense Secretary Mark Esper and South Korean Minister of National Defense Jeong Kyeong-doo announce that their countries will postpone their annual joint military air exercises to help facilitate the peace process. (San Francisco Chronicle) Japan–United States relations, Japan–North Korea relations Japanese Tarō Kōno tells his United States and South Korea counterparts that "no one could be optimistic about North Korea" after "they launched over 20 missiles so far this year". (Yahoo! News) Law and crime 2019 Fresno shooting At least ten people are shot, with four killed, at a backyard party in Fresno, California. (CNN) Politics and elections 2019 Belarusian parliamentary election Voters in Belarus head to the polls in the country's latest parliamentary election. The election is closely watched by the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe due to the country's poor human rights record. (Deutsche Welle)

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(Closed) Fresno mass shooting

Consensus to post this is not going to develop. I would also note that over time a rough consensus, at least among ITN regulars, seems to have developed against posting American mass shootings absent some factor that distinguishes them from the sadly routine shootings that occur here. I'm not trying to discourage future nominations, and every nomination should be judged on its own merits. But I would encourage editors to be aware of this trend. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:58, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 

mass shooting. (Post)
News source(s): NYT, Sacremento Bee, BBC, L.A. Times, Guardian

Credits:

• Nominated by WaltCip (talk · give credit)
• Created by
  talk · give credit
  )
• Updated by TomCat4680 (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: More people died in this shooting than in the previous one nominated that took place in Santa Clarita. Suspect is also still at large - an unusual ending to most mass shootings in which the suspect either is captured or takes their own life. WaltCip (talk) 14:26, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Follow-up nom comment - I might also add that this shooting is unusual in that it did not take place in a school or a public space, but at someone's private dwelling. Children were also present.--WaltCip (talk) 14:31, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose, per the discussion of the Saugus shooting below. None of the differences are significant. Modest Genius ^talk 14:40, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose per Modest Genius. --Masem (t) 14:52, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose at this time, I concur with Modest Genius. 331dot (talk) 14:53, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose for now. Article contains very little information; it is only marginally past stub level. Heck, there's almost more text in the headers than in the actual prose itself! I would consider supporting with a significant expansion of text. --Jayron32 14:57, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'd be willing to expand it. What sort of details would you be looking for? Local/national reactions? A synopsis of what occurred? --WaltCip (talk) 15:14, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A synopsis is better. Reactions are usually

reliable sources to write a decent article. --Jayron32 17:00, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

• Oppose despite this being the deadliest shooting at a garden party in Fresno in November in 2019. This is something like the 400th mass shooting in the United States this year, business as usual. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 15:18, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

To be clear, it was a watch party, one that happened to be in a garden.--WaltCip (talk) 17:04, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

For the avoidance of doubt, where I come from there's no such thing as a watch party. That just sounds like a load of creepy blokes comparing their pieces. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 17:06, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Nor where I come from. Sacremento Bee calls it simply a backyard party. – Sca (talk) 17:12, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I've heard the media use the term "watch party" term dozens of times, whether its for a major sports contest (i.e. the Super Bowl), important political events, or series finales of popular shows. A quick Google search shows 9,920,000 results for the term. TomCat4680 (talk) 17:34, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, in America. This is English language Wikipedia. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 17:39, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah and British English uses words and phrases American English doesn't either, and vice versa. Doesn't make them either dialect illegitimate. TomCat4680 (talk) 17:43, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I said nothing about British English. There are plenty of other variants, none of which use "watch party" in this context. When this becomes "American English Wikipedia", let me know. But we're dithering around the edges. This, like all such other "mass shooting in US" nominations is a dead duck. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 17:46, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

My point was just because you've "never heard of it", doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Google found almost 10 million results for the term, so clearly it's commonly used. TomCat4680 (talk) 17:50, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) Yes, but a word that's going to be misunderstood (not even just simply not understood - a "watch party" is surely more common to mean vigil or having a stake-out?) by a large number of readers doesn't belong on the main page. Kingsif (talk) 17:47, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What's there to misunderstand? Like I said already, a watch party is when a large group of people gather at a specific location and time to watch a certain program on TV. Not exactly rocket science here. CNN called it a watch party by the way. TomCat4680 (talk) 17:55, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose for the same reasons Saugus was opposed just last week ~mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 15:19, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• You've got to be kidding me. Two mass shootings in my state in less than a week.
  p 15:29, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]
  • The 3rd in a week even. There also was a domestic murder-suicide in San Diego with 5 dead. At least according to this article. Which in itself makes clear how, while of course tragic, this sort of thing is just business as usual. 80.138.66.157 (talk) 15:54, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment – The fact that this was the third mass shooting in California in less than a week puts this in a different category in terms of news value, aka significance, IMHO. Wiki shouldn't be anti-something solely on the basis of location, i.e. country. (
  WP:NPOV) – Sca (talk) 17:04, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]

I agree; I wouldn't mind a proposed alt-blurb that highlights that this is the third high-profile mass shooting in California within a week.--WaltCip (talk) 17:05, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

PS: "Please do not ... oppose an item because the event is only relating to a single country." – Sca (talk) 17:20, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Why not highlight that it's the X^th (~400th?) mass shooting this year or something similar? That, to me, is far more newsworthy than a coincidental three in one arbitrary geographical locale in a week. There's no link, so using Wikipedia voice to somehow even allude to a one is insulting in extremis. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 17:43, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose Another mass shooting in California this week. Without a notable death count, this now falls into practically expected. Kingsif (talk) 17:42, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose but expand. Article is pretty scant on specific details. The suspect is unidentified and still on the loose, the motive is unknown, it's not even clear whether or not the suspect even knew the victims or if it was just a random act of violence, etc. TomCat4680 (talk) 18:00, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Saudi Aramco IPO

Article: Saudi Aramco (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Saudi Aramco sells 1.5% of its shares in an initial public offering, valuing the entire company at $1.71 trillion (Post)
News source(s): [9]
Credits:

• Nominated by Banedon (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jaseromer (talk · give credit) and Ahibawiki (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: $1.71 trillion makes it by far the largest public company in history (see comparison [10]) Banedon (talk) 12:17, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Support on quality and significance, but feel we need at least a little context on the IPO itself. Every story I read on this is mentioning Khashoggi, most are saying this is bad timing, asking "what does this all mean?" etc. GreatCaesarsGhost 13:14, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  Shame on me for taking blurb at face value. Why in the hell would be post a blurb for something that hasn't happened? GreatCaesarsGhost 12:58, 20 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose it will only be after the IPO that we will have a good idea of the value of the company; the IPO closes Dec 5. Additionally, we usually don't post this type of business news unless proven to be some significant/superlative facet. (To add, the IPO had been planned for a while, the drone strike earlier this year slowed plans but obviously they are back now. This is not a big surprise outside of the speed.) --Masem (t) 15:01, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose per Masem ~mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 15:20, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose it's a big number, but as Masem notes, meaningless until after the IPO. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 15:22, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Wait. Apparently that's only the announced price for the first 1.5% of the company, so this is a massive extrapolation and no-one has actually bought it yet. If it finishes as the largest IPO ever, I think that would be worth posting, but let's wait to see what happens. Modest Genius ^talk 15:35, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support. This is the first IPO for what is essentially the world's largest corporation. On top of that, it stands a fairly good chance of breaking the IPO record.NorthernFalcon (talk) 03:41, 19 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment The IPO has been withdrawn from the London and New York markets, which were the only one's that mattered. It will debut sometime (Dec-Jan?) on the tiny and illiquid Saudi-run Tadawul exchange. That is, the stock will not be freely tradable and will not represent controlling interest, as most readers would assume for an IPO. This has been a cat-and-mouse game going back to 2006 or so. This simply has to wait, at least, for the stock to actually be listed and for bonafide transactions to take place (so as to establish some semblance of "public" valuation).130.233.3.140 (talk) 06:45, 19 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose Big number, little meaning. – Ammarpad (talk) 05:40, 20 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

2019 Sri Lankan presidential election

Article: 2019 Sri Lankan presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Former Defence Secretary, Gotabaya Rajapaksa wins the 2019 Sri Lankan presidential election to become the 8th president of Sri Lanka. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Gotabaya Rajapaksa wins the Sri Lanka presidential election.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Former Defence Secretary Gotabaya Rajapaksa (pictured) is elected president of Sri Lanka.
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Sherenk1 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Blackknight12 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Blackknight12 (talk · give credit), Randeepa (talk · give credit) and Obi2canibe (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on

WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Results are expected on Sunday, otherwise Monday. No doubt, prose is lacking hence would like to start discussion on what else could be done to make it to ITN Sherenk1 (talk) 02:20, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

• Since the votes are still being counted, I'm holding off on officially adding a blurb. But since sources from Reuters and BBC are projecting
  Gotabhaya Rajapaksa is elected president of Sri Lanka
  .
  • With that being said, I unfortunately will have to give this a weak oppose for now. While this election is unusually important for such an overlooked country (due to, among other things, the controversial reputation of Rajapaksa, the election happening months after a devastating terrorist attack, the strength of Indian and Chinese influence in the region depending on who wins, etc.), the article itself is poorly organized. The "Timeline" section needs to be converted to prose (probably reorganized into "Background"), and there is an "Empty section" tag in the "Polls" section, for starters. Mount Patagonia (talk) 06:49, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment The election results are still pending but Gotabaya Rajapaksa claims that he has emerged victorious. Officially the Election Commissioner hasn't revealed a reliable statement about this. Gotabaya is leading the election results by a big margin at the moment compared to his rival Sajith Premadasa. I would support if the winner is officially confirmed. Abishe (talk) 07:14, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support The details are updated and I hope this would qualify for ITN. If Bolivian protests can be nominated for the ITN why can't the Sri Lankan elections be considered. Looks like no one is interested regarding this at least few could have said to oppose this. No response and no regular activity here today and it is quite ironical to say this. Abishe (talk) 16:21, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support. Per above. Well referenced. Good to go. MSN12102001 (talk) 20:31, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose This article is worse than the article for #Spanish general election which we also did not post. No summary of results and an ugly timeline that should be presented in prose. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 21:24, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose Where are the results? And there seems to be a little lack of refs. Kingsif (talk) 21:48, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment The results are updated now and this is seriously important to nominate for ITN. First of all Gotabaya had several charges levelled on him and defied all the odds to become the President. Notably escaped from a suicide bombing in 2006. He is charged with war crimes which were committed durinf the final stages of the Sri Lankan Civil War and had issues regarding the American citizenship prior to contesting at the elections. So these factors I guess would make sense to be nominated. Tamil Guardian CNN Al Jazeera] Abishe (talk) 02:59, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • You still to address the formatting for the "Timeline" section, and many of the sources on the page are just bare URLs. If both of these can be fixed, I will switch to support. Mount Patagonia (talk) 03:58, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • The results have not been summarized in prose. Please summarized the highlights from the table of results in words and cite sources to verify the interpretation. Something like "Gotabaya Rajapaksa of the Sri Lanka Podujana Peramuna party earned 52.25% of the votes...[11]" and so on to describe the major points detailed in the table. Don't force readers to interpret the results for themselves. The aftermath section is not a summary of results; it is a summary of the aftermath. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 07:27, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Tweaked blurb.--Blackknight12 (talk) 05:35, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2019 Monster Energy NASCAR Cup Series

Article: 2019 Monster Energy NASCAR Cup Series (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Kyle Busch (pictured) wins the 2019 Monster Energy NASCAR Cup Series championship. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In stock car racing, Kyle Busch (pictured) wins the Monster Energy NASCAR Cup Series championship.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In stock car racing, the NASCAR Cup Series concludes, with Kyle Busch (pictured) winning the driver's championship
News source(s): MRN, USA Today, The New York Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Dough4872 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Fan of the 88 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by A.lanzetta (talk · give credit), WWEFan1926 (talk · give credit) and Dough4872 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on

WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 Dough4872 03:21, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

• Comment Some CN tags. A very thorough ITNR article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.233.3.140 (talk) 10:16, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support. There are only three cn tags on unimportant facts, which I think is acceptable in such a mammoth article. I'm pleased to see there are prose summaries of every race. We don't put sponsor names in ITN blurbs, adding alt2. Looks good to go. Modest Genius ^talk 13:09, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  I won't debate the importance of those facts, but they are "

  likely to be challenged," so they need to be sourced. No problem though, because "any material that needs a source but does not have one may be removed." GreatCaesarsGhost 13:29, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

  ]

  I'm not disputing that they need a source; the tags are justified. I just don't think they're a serious enough problem to prevent posting in ITN. If you prefer to delete those statement entirely, that's fine with me. Modest Genius ^talk 14:37, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  Understood, just my own preference is that I would not support as is, and I won't strike the statement unless I personally put in a good faith effort to reference. I've done so for one of the three. GreatCaesarsGhost 15:48, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  All the cn tags have been dealt with (not by me). Modest Genius ^talk 17:04, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Support Alt II like all good Boat Race articles, this is GOOD TO GO! The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 18:42, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  Still good to go, four hours later! The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 22:44, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Image isn't protected. I've just sent it to CMP and I'll post as soon as the bot does its job. Black Kite (talk) 23:09, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Fast work KrinkleBot! Posted. Black Kite (talk) 23:17, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

November 16

Portal:Current events/2019 November 16

November 16, 2019 (2019-11-16) (Saturday) edit history watch Armed conflicts and attacks Terrorism in Sri Lanka Gunmen open fire on two buses carrying Muslim voters to the polls near Anuradhapura. No casualties are reported and no arrests take place. (The Guardian) Syrian Civil War Turkey blames another attack on the PKK. The bombings targeted a bus terminal in al-Bab, Aleppo Governorate, killing 18 and wounding dozens of others. (Al Jazeera) 2019 Iraqi protests A car bomb detonates near a protest in Baghdad, killing two people and injuring 20. (Reuters) (Al Jazeera) Gaza–Israel clashes (November 2019) Continuing rocket fire leads Israel to launch fresh strikes into Gaza in response. (France 24) An attack on civilians in the village of Mbau, Democratic Republic of the Congo, using bladed weapons, kills over 18 civilians. Islamic militants are the suspected attackers. (Reuters) 2019 Bolivian protests At least eight people were killed and dozens injured in Sacaba after security forces fired on supporters of ousted president Evo Morales. (NPR) (Associated Press) Bolivia's interim president met with a UN envoy, Jean Arnault, to discuss the country's political turmoil. (Global News) Arts and culture LGBT rights in Hong Kong Amid violent protests, openly gay activist Jimmy Sham heads the march. (The Sydney Morning Herald) International relations Iran–United States relations, Iran–Saudi Arabia relations, Egypt–Iran relations, Iran–United Arab Emirates relations, Bahrain–Iran relations, Shia–Sunni relations David Goldfein asks Gulf States to be united amid rising tensions with Iran as Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Bahrain and Egypt have divided opinions with Qatar. (Reuters) Law and crime List of mass shootings in the United States in 2019 A man killed his estranged wife and their three children and injured another child before killing himself in San Diego. (The New York Times) Politics and elections 2019 Iranian fuel protests Large protests rock major Iranian cities with clashes reported between protesters and security forces. (Radio Farda) 2019 Sri Lankan presidential election Minister of Housing and Construction Sajith Premadasa of the centre-right United National Party. (Reuters) Rajapaksa claims victory and Premadasa concedes defeat, with half of the votes counted for. (Reuters) Yellow vests movement Parisian police fire tear gas and water cannons at protestors and arrest around 105 people on the anniversary of the first yellow vest protests. (Reuters) 2019 Louisiana gubernatorial election Incumbent Democratic governor John Bel Edwards narrowly defeats businessman and Republican candidate Eddie Rispone to retain his seat; Louisiana Republicans also fall short of winning a supermajority in the Louisiana House of Representatives, allowing Edwards to retain veto power over legislation. The results follow recent gains by the Democratic Party in elections in Virginia and Kentucky and is considered as another blow to U.S. President Donald Trump. (Reuters) 2019–2020 Hong Kong protests In Hong Kong, soldiers belonging to China's People's Liberation Army are spotted in the streets helping clear debris left by protesters. (The Epoch Times) Protests in the Czech Republic On the 30th anniversary of the outbreak of the Velvet Revolution, over 200,000 people gathered at Letná, Prague, demanding better political culture and the resignation of prime minister Andrej Babiš. This was the second mass demonstration organized at Letná by Milion chvilek pro demokracii after a similar protest on 23 June 2019. (BBC News)

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2019 Bolivian political crisis

Closing as unnecessary. Kingsif (talk) 22:42, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2019 Bolivian political crisis (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by Kingsif (talk · give credit)

 Kingsif (talk) 20:38, 16 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose Blurb is still on news and no immediate sign it is about to fall off. Better to consider the situation when the blurb does fall off. --Masem (t) 21:52, 16 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Good point. I nom'd because the blurb is a week old... but so is the box... Kingsif (talk) 00:08, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose not seeing much here that needs voting on. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 18:37, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) 2019 Iranian fuel protests

Article: 

2019 Iranian fuel protests
News source(s): BBC

Credits:

• Nominated by Sherenk1 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Persepolis1400 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by 
  talk · give credit
  )

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Dominating worldwide headlines. Article is well referenced. Sherenk1 (talk) 14:14, 16 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Your blurb is plagiarized. Abductive (reasoning) 19:17, 16 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Modified - Sherenk1 (talk) 02:24, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment The content of the article is fine and suitable for ITN. I have addressed some minor CE things. I cannot check references, however, because 13/20 of them are in Farsi or Arabic. I know for certain that some of the details that these references support can be found in English language media. Without those, I cannot know for certain the precise words that protestors have been chanting, for example.130.233.3.140 (talk) 10:41, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Admins, please note that my comment here should not be interpreted as an oppose !vote. Non-English sources are not in themselves a problem, and I was only asking for editors to incorporate English-language ones as a matter of polishing.130.233.3.140 (talk) 07:20, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Support according to the BBC, we're now up to at least twelve killed and the article is of sufficient quality. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 18:40, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support – Amnesty International, clearly the more reliable source in this matter, is reporting at least 106 deaths during this event. The article quality is sufficient. It drifted a bit since TRM commented, which is why I withheld my support, but has since been remedied. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 19:57, 19 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Looks like a decent article.-- P-K3 (talk) 21:21, 19 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - Why is this not being posted? Sherenk1 (talk) 02:07, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment The blurbs (even with "at least" included) are an under-representation of a nation-wide protest with several cities descending into anarchy for a time. I propose either removing the "12 people" part or adding the Amnesty International statistics to avoid propagating a possible big lie further. I added a blurb resembling the one used in Persian Wikipedia. Bazdasht (talk) 11:35, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support and I have added another altblurb. I know that we try to avoid stuff like "dozens, many" in blurbs, but the near-total internet blackout in Iran means that it's impossible to get precise numbers and exact details. This is clearly A Big Deal, and I think it better to post something a little vague than to ignore it completely. There seems to be very good consensus to post this. Can someone who can, move on this?130.233.3.140 (talk) 07:20, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted Wrote an altblurb based on alt3. I still think wording could be improved; please leave suggestions at
  WP:ERRORS. Spencer^T•C 19:00, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]

November 15

Portal:Current events/2019 November 15

November 15, 2019 (2019-11-15) (Friday) edit history watch Business and economy The Iranian government announces that, effective immediately, petrol will be rationed to 60 litres per month, and prices will increase 50%. Fuel beyond the limit will cost double. Iranians take to the streets to oppose the plan, which results from United States sanctions against Iran. (Al Jazeera) (The New York Times) International relations North Korean abductions of Japanese citizens, Japan–North Korea relations Japanese government action on the issue. (NHK World-Japan) Japan–South Korea relations, Japan–United States relations, South Korea–United States relations Japan, South Korea and the United States agree to boost multilateral military cooperation and defense issues. (Yonhap News Agency) Law and crime Criminal charges brought in the Mueller special counsel investigation A federal jury convicts Roger Stone of lying to the United States Congress and tampering with a witness about his efforts to learn about the anti-secrecy group WikiLeaks's release of hacked Democratic emails in the 2016 U.S. presidential election. (The Washington Post) Politics and elections 2019 Hong Kong protests A 70-year-old bystander dies after being hit by a brick while filming a clash between protesters and residents. Police is treating the act as a murder. (BBC News) (South China Morning Post) Pro-Beijing Hong Kong Justice Secretary Teresa Cheng suffers minor injuries after being heckled in London. China's Foreign Ministry condemns the protesters. (Reuters) (South China Morning Post) 2019 Chilean protests An agreement is signed by most of the political parties supporting a referendum in April 2020 regarding the draft of a new constitution through a constituent convention. This will be the first time the Constitution of Chile is written with popular participation. (The Guardian) 2019 Bolivian protests Security forces open fire on protesters in Cochabamba, killing at least five. (CBC News)

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Article: Mark Cady (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP
Credits:

• Nominated by Davey2116 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see

Supreme Court of Iowa (2011–19) who wrote the opinion which legalized same-sex marriage in Iowa, dies at age 66. Article could use some expansion. Davey2116 (talk) 12:41, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

• Comment 33 year career as a judge, with 21 of those years as the highest judge in the state, and the only mention of his judicial acts in his BLP is for gay marriage (twice) and abortion. As for his personal life, I now know that Cady had a dog and participated in some civic organizations. I guess there's nothing wrong with the article, just that it doesn't inform the reader of anything.130.233.3.140 (talk) 10:55, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose – per IP, it's a stub. Needs expanding.-- P-K3 (talk) 13:58, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak oppose stub, what's there is fine. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 18:41, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

November 14

Portal:Current events/2019 November 14

November 14, 2019 (2019-11-14) (Thursday) edit history watch Business and economy Ford announces that its new electric SUV will be known as the Mustang Mach-E. The "Mustang" model name, previously employed by Ford's muscle cars, could be an important asset for the new venture. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents A vehicle collision in Sistan and Baluchestan Province kills at least 28 people, all Afghan nationals. (BBC News) Law and crime 2019 Saugus High School shooting A school shooting at Saugus High School in Santa Clarita, California, injures five students, two fatally. The 16-year-old gunman, identified as Nathaniel Berhow, shoots himself, is hospitalized, and dies a day later. (The Cincinnati Enquirer) 2017–18 Spanish constitutional crisis After the admission of the European Arrest Warrant against her, ousted Catalan Education Minister Clara Ponsatí, who is in a "self-exile" in Edinburgh, appears in court and is bailed without charges hours after. (BBC News) Politics and elections 2019 Hong Kong protests Chief Superintendent of Police of Hong Kong Tse Chun-chung says protesters' acts are "another step closer to terrorism". (Reuters) Japan–South Korea relations South Korean government officials announce that Japan and the United States are interested in renewing the GSOMIA pact between Japan and South Korea to maintain bilateral cooperation between the two nations in defense issues. (Yonhap News Agency) 2019 Bolivian protests, 2019 Bolivian political crisis Bolivian police use tear gas to break up a peaceful pro-Morales counter-protest in La Paz, then block about a dozen pro-Morales senators from entering the nation's legislature. Pro-Morales demonstrators respond with cries of "dictatorship" and throw stones at the police. (The New York Times) Politics of Moldova Ion Chicu is sworn in as Prime Minister after the collapse of Maia Sandu's government on 12 November. (Reuters)

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(Closed) Saugus High School shooting

Tragic, but consensus will not emerge to post, and discussion will inevitably turn into US mudslinging. Stephen 22:38, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 

talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Shooting at Saugus High School in Santa Clarita, California, USA (Post)
News source(s): https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/los-angeles-county-deputies-respond-report-santa-clarita-school-shooting-n1082231

Credits:

• Nominated by
  talk · give credit
  )

Article updated

Nominator's comments: The calamity in Santa Clarita has made national news. One person has been killed and countless injured. This is a high-profile situation — politicians like

talk) 19:34, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/los-angeles-county-deputies-respond-report-santa-clarita-school-shooting-n1082231

• Not wishing to partake in the rest of this conversation, I will note that To exclude this from the Main Page would be a disservice... is not an argument for (or against) Main Page inclusion or any Wikipedia action, as we are not here to
  right great wrongs. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 19:43, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]

• This is a high-profile, national event. One person has been killed. It certainly merits inclusion in the Main Page, just like the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland.
  talk) 19:48, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Oppose. School shootings are regretfully a common event in the United States, and as they go this is a relatively minor one- and I get that sounds terrible to say. The event is certainly a terrible event generally and of extreme importance to the community the school is in. This is, however, a global encyclopedia and we have to make certain decisions about what goes on the Main Page. If this shooting is significant enough, there would likely need to be a permanent spot on the Main Page for posting all of them as they happen. Politicians routinely comment on them and doing so isn't always an indicator of importance. Trying to
  right the great wrong of shootings is not the role of ITN or Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 19:52, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]

• How many times do we have to go through this? Shootings are routine in the United States. Americans regard them as normal and acceptable, and a fair exchange for a right to possess lethal weapons. The politicians there haven't taken any action for decades and are not likely to do so in the foreseeable future. A car bomb in Baghdad has far more long-term domestic and international impact. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:57, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This is not the place to express views on guns in the United States, regardless of their merits. 331dot (talk) 19:59, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• I am not expressing any views on guns. I am just saying that this event is very high-profile and should be included on the Main Page. One person has died in what is generally considered a safe city.
  talk) 20:00, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]

  Sanjay7373 My comment was addressed to Hawkeye7. 331dot (talk) 20:03, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

  ]

  Well I am not either. I was only commenting on the impact. That politicians on the campaign trail have commented seems routine; a media rep will often pose a question about a current event. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:14, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Also, I don't see anything about a car bomb in Baghdad on the main page.
  talk) 20:04, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]

• Oppose tragic for the community but sadly run of the mill. Thryduulf (talk) 20:17, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• And now another person has died. This is a national and international news story, and it certainly warrants inclusion on the main page. In fact, it should be included on the main page, just like shootings in Parkland, Orlando, Las Vegas, etc.
  talk) 20:26, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]

Those shootings had much higher levels of casualties. If we posted every shooting like this in the United States, that's all we would be doing here. 331dot (talk) 20:28, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, sadly. And @

Sanjay7373: Please stop posting so many of your own comments on this nomination; I understand how you feel, but it's not good form. Funcrunch (talk) 21:12, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

A better way to look at this: if there was a mass stabbing in France that killed two people, that'd also not make ITN. Neither would any mass casualty incident which killed two people in Canada (unless the people who died were notable: such as an assassination of a prominent political figure or something). Nothing really to do with it being in the US. -- Rockstonetalk to me! 22:20, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose As others have said, shootings in the US are too common place to every one up, and this, with only 1-2 deaths, fails to meet "MINIMUMDEATHS". Yes, it is tragic, but too commonplace. --Masem (t) 20:30, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Also, car bombs are pretty common in Baghdad in the same way shootings are common in the USA. In addition, Santa Clarita is a relatively safe community. A massacre in Compton might not be as notable as one in Santa Clarita.
  talk) 20:38, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Oppose per others. Aside from the notability of the event, the article isn't really up to par for ITN anyway - it's barely passed stub-level. ~mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 20:46, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• This event is pretty notable, as evidenced by the reactions not only from Santa Clarita, but from politicians across the country in Washington, D.C.
  talk) 20:48, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]

As I indicated, politicians routinely comment on tragic events and doing so is no indication of its significance. Maybe if a law was passed as a result, but not now. 331dot (talk) 20:51, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Which do you think is more notable: the construction of a Hindu temple in India, or the deaths of 2 innocent students at a school in Santa Clarita? A Hindu temple is just a building, here, two students have died and countless more were injured.

talk) 20:56, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

That's a false equivalency. We judge each nomination on its own merits. 331dot (talk) 21:02, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The injured are not 'countless', either. 331dot (talk) 21:03, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• I had a feeling this would be nominated if for no other reason than this occurred in Los Angeles County. You have made your point, Sanjay, but there's just not enough for this to be fit for ITN due to the high frequency of mass shootings in the US. With that said, strong oppose. Also, regarding your comparison to the Hindu temple story, please be mindful of your systemic bias.--WaltCip (talk) 21:06, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose, but for a different reason than the people trashing our gun laws: even if this shooting took place outside of the US, it still wouldn't be notable enough for ITN. It's tragic, but there are neither enough deaths nor any indication that it'll impact things long term in order to warrant a blurb. -- Rockstonetalk to me! 22:17, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose Lacks long term notability. Nonstopmaximum (talk) 22:31, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose, the last school shooting in the US that was posted on ITN was the
  Spokoyni (talk) 22:33, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Oppose – For all the reasons expressed, once again, above. – Sca (talk) 22:34, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

(Posted) RD: Vashishtha Narayan Singh

Article: Vashishtha Narayan Singh (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NDTV, India Today
Credits:

• Nominated by DannyS712 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Nizil Shah (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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WP:ITNRD.

 --DannyS712 (talk) 19:16, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

• Oppose Needs a copyedit and there are some unreferenced claims.-- P-K3 (talk) 19:51, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak Oppose - A few sources needed, then looks good to go ~mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 20:16, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support now after updating. Thanks Nizil! ~mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 15:06, 15 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose Insufficient depth of coverage: lists some positions that he worked in, but nothing mentioned regarding his contributions to the field of mathematics. Spencer^T•C 13:54, 15 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Striking oppose given explanations below. While I don't support the nomination due to concerns about depth of coverage, marking as ready as there does appear to be consensus to post. Spencer^T•C 03:52, 19 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Updated/organised/expanded with references. -Nizil (talk) 14:41, 15 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Spencer, Mike gigs, and Pawnkingthree: Please reconsider you votes. I have updated article. May require minor copyediting. -Nizil (talk) 14:41, 15 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Thank you for your referencing work. My position remains since there have been no new additions regarding his career work as a mathematician. Spencer^T•C 15:41, 15 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• @Spencer: Please see my comments at Talk:Vashishtha Narayan Singh#Mathematician vs Academic. -Nizil (talk) 04:52, 16 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• I see, it looks like he did not contribute much to mathematics and the article is reflective of that. I will be honest, the article does not do a good job explaining why Singh is notable. Is he notable for being lost on the train journey? If so, then the article should be expanded more to reflect that. Right now, the article is basically a CV in prose form without much meat to it. Best, Spencer^T•C 00:00, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• @Spencer:, as I have written on talkpage, he is notable for "his circumstances" instead of "his accomplishments". I have tried to dive deeper in his circumstances like being lost etc but most of the information is untrustworthy/differing in details and anecdotal so I refrained from adding it. The article could have been better with more in depth information but I believe that this start-class basic article is enough to be in ITN. Regards, -Nizil (talk) 05:26, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Several sentences need rewriting in grammatical English. Stephen 10:03, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• @Stephen: Sorry. I am not native English speaker. I welcome copyediting by others. -Nizil (talk) 05:26, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak support it seems like a leap from being lost on a train for four years to being a professor. This looks incomplete. What's there, while a bit messy, is ok. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 18:45, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted Kees08 (Talk) 06:36, 19 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Branko Lustig

Article: Branko Lustig (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/schindlers-list-producer-branko-lustig-dies-87-67015227
Credits:

• Nominated by DannyS712 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Well referenced article --DannyS712 (talk) 19:03, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

• Oppose for now; Filmography unreferenced.-- P-K3 (talk) 19:49, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose per P-K3 ~mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 20:17, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose - ping me when ready.BabbaQ (talk) 00:18, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose well referenced besides the seven [citation needed] tags. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 18:45, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Gordie Gosse

Article: Gordie Gosse (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/speaker-of-the-house-ndp-mla-gordie-gosse-1.5358686
Credits:

• Nominated by Miraclepine (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Speaker of the House of Assembly of Nova Scotia (2011–2013). Just cleaned up some unsourced content, but should look good. ミラP 17:04, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

• Support - Short article but sourcing looks good ~mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 18:29, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak oppose. The election result is unsourced. Also, he was in office from 2003-2015 so why is only the 2013 result included? Thryduulf (talk) 20:21, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support. Article looks good. LefcentrerightTalk (plz ping) 21:01, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose As with many other start-class politician articles nominated to RD, very minimal information about what he accomplished in his role as a politician (policies, political issues, legislation passed, etc.) beyond "Gosse implemented a strict policy banning the use of mobile devices, including smart phones in the Nova Scotia House of Assembly during Question Period". Spencer^T•C 12:48, 15 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support - looks good to go in my POV.BabbaQ (talk) 12:59, 15 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment The 2013 election result now has a source attached to it. ミラP 02:51, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted Kees08 (Talk) 07:19, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

November 13

Portal:Current events/2019 November 13

November 13, 2019 (2019-11-13) (Wednesday) edit history watch Armed conflicts and attacks War in Afghanistan November 2019 Kabul bombing A suicide car bomb kills 12 people and injures 20 others near the Interior Ministry in Kabul, Afghanistan. (Al Jazeera) (Yahoo! News) Terrorism in Indonesia A suicide bomber kills himself and injures six other people when he detonates near police headquarters in Medan, Indonesia. (Deutsche Welle) Gaza–Israel clashes (November 2019) Israeli airstrikes leave 22 Palestinians (20 militants and 2 civilians) dead and dozens injured. (Haaretz) More than 200 rockets are fired into Israel from Gaza. (New York Post) An Islamic Jihad rocket commander and five relatives are killed in an Israeli airstrike. (The Times of Israel) Islamist insurgency in Mozambique, Mozambique–Tanzania relations Jihadists kill six civilians and injure seven in a village near the Mozambique–Tanzania border. All the victims are Tanzanian nationals, while the terrorists are identified as Mozambicans. (News24) Crime in Poland Two people are arrested in Poland for planning to kill Muslims in an attack inspired by the 2011 Utoya/Oslo attacks by Norwegian mass murderer Anders Behring Breivik, and the Christchurch, New Zealand mosque shootings. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents A bus collision with a truck near Nitra kills 13 people and leaves at least 17 wounded. The disaster is the deadliest in Slovakia in a decade. (Reuters) International relations Japan–North Korea relations, Japan–South Korea relations Japanese government spokesman denies the report. (The Japan Times) 2019 Venezuelan presidential crisis Interim President of Bolivia Juan Guaido's government after he recognizes her as President of Bolivia on Twitter. (Daily Sabah) Law and crime Catholic Church sexual abuse cases The sexually assaulting three teenage choirboys. (Reuters) After the South Korean government launches an investigation into comfort women, a survivor tells the press that Japan "lacked honor" for failing to attend the South Korean court's proceedings. (Reuters) Politics and elections 2019 Hong Kong protests Hong Kong leader Carrie Lam vows not to give in to protesters as chaos continues into Wednesday morning. (The Straits Times) Schools, transport links and businesses close amid rising clashes in the city. (Reuters) Evo Morales government resignation Bolivia's exiled former president Evo Morales rejects the presidency of opposition senator Jeanine Áñez, but police bar lawmakers from his party from entering the legislature to undo it. (The Washington Post) Two people were killed on in clashes between Bolivian police and supporters of former president Evo Morales. In total, 10 people have been killed so far since political turmoil broke out in Bolivia. (Al Jazeera) Politics of Tunisia Rached Ghannouchi is elected Speaker of the Assembly of the Representatives of the People of Tunisia. (France 24)

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(Posted) RD: Tom Spurgeon

Article: Tom Spurgeon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

• Nominated by Newyorkbrad (talk · give credit)
• Updated by mike_gigs (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Well-known comics journalist, died yesterday. Article is well-sourced and has been updated. Newyorkbrad (talk) 15:58, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

• Support - I added a couple of refs to a couple unsourced claims, looks good to go now ~mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 18:28, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Don't see any issues now referencing has been improved.-- P-K3 (talk) 19:47, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted. Thryduulf (talk) 20:23, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Niall Tóibín

Article: Niall Tóibín (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): RTÉ, Independent.ie, The Irish Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Waddie96 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Not much info yet as to how he died, only reported about 10 minutes ago. comrade waddie96 ★ (talk) 12:07, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

• Oppose - Sourcing not quite there yet ~mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:05, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support - sources improved Joseywales1961 (talk) 21:18, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose per mike, referencing needs more work.-- P-K3 (talk) 19:52, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment While resolving the last CN tag, I came across c-p COPYVIO text, and have tagged the appropriate section. I am unsure if the source is copyright protected.130.233.3.140 (talk) 11:27, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Reply Hi. I'm not sure which part of the section you think was COPYVIO. But, as per CLOP/COPYVIO check on that section, the only content with a material overlap is the sentence which starts "From Ryan's Daughter and Bracken in the 1970s...". I wrote the original form of that sentence. Myself. In 2005. I did not copy it from a Wordpress site. Or any other source. The current form of that sentence is based on some amends in 2007. Those amends (2007) were made a full decade before that Wordpress site was published (in 2017). If there is any overlap in content, then I would suggest that it is because that Wordpress page was copy/pasted from the Wikipedia article. Rather than the other way around. I have removed the COPYVIO tag. Cheers. Guliolopez (talk) 12:15, 18 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This was for the in-article line "He also acted for the radio, such as his guest appearance in the BBC Radio 4 series Baldi" which is verbatim (save tense) from reference 10, someone's personal website that is both not a Wiki-mirror and appears to be his own (presumably original) writing, and not found on any other non-mirror website. I tagged it just so that someone would take a look.130.233.3.140 (talk) 06:35, 19 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Raymond Poulidor

Article: Raymond Poulidor (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Spiegel
Credits:

• Nominated by Zwerg Nase (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating
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Nominator's comments: Notable cyclist, Vuelta winner, several podiums at the Tour de France, immortal rivalry with Jacques Anquetil. Article needs some work, I will try to get to as much as I can later today. Zwerg Nase (talk) 12:02, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

• Oppose - Prose is pretty undersourced. Hard to tell which of his results are sourced as well ~mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:04, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Kieran Modra

Article: Kieran Modra (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, ABC News
Credits:

• Nominated by RebeccaGreen (talk · give credit)
• Updated by 
  KH-1 (talk · give credit), Aussiesportlibrarian (talk · give credit) and Canley (talk · give credit
  )

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Article well sourced and updated. Australian Paralympic swimmer and tandem cyclist, died in cycling accident. RebeccaGreen (talk) 10:48, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

• Support - Seems sourced and ready.--BabbaQ (talk) 11:01, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support - Seconded. Nice looking article ~mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:02, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
•  Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:13, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

November 12

Portal:Current events/2019 November 12

November 12, 2019 (2019-11-12) (Tuesday) edit history watch Armed conflicts and attacks Gaza–Israel conflict Islamic Jihad Movement in Palestine (PIJ) targets in Gaza Strip. (NPR) Disasters and accidents Mondobhag train collision Two passenger trains collide head-on in Kasba, Bangladesh, killing at least 16 people and injuring over 100. (Yahoo! News) effects of global warming on oceans, Acqua alta An exceptional high tide of 187 centimetres (6.14 ft) hits flooded Venice, Italy. It is the second highest acqua alta in Venetian history, after the 1966 Venice flood. Two deaths are reported. (NDTV) (BBC News) (The Guardian) International relations Cuba–Spain relations Spanish Monarch to visit Cuba. (The Washington Post) Law and crime LGBT rights in Uganda Police in Uganda raid a gay-friendly bar in Kampala and charge 67 people with "common nuisance" in what is described as the "latest attack on Uganda's LGBT community". (The New York Times) Crime in China A man attacks a kindergarten class in Kaiyuan, China, with chemical spray, injuring 51 children and three teachers. (CNN) Crime in Thailand In Chanthaburi Province, Thailand, an ex-policeman shoots and kills two people, including a former prime minister's lawyer and a plaintiff, before being killed by return fire. (ABC News) Politics and elections 2019 Hong Kong protests As the situation worsens with clashes in the central financial district, police say violence is bringing the city to the "brink of total breakdown". Large-scale protests continue near the City University of Hong Kong, Chinese University of Hong Kong, and other districts including Central and Tai Po. (Reuters) After police shoot a protester with live ammunition, Hong Kong leader Carrie Lam speaks out and labels the protesters as "selfish" for "paralyzing" the city and urges all students not to take part in protests. (Reuters) Police investigate protesters for attempted murder after they are filmed setting a 57-year-old man on fire during an argument. (CNA) November 2019 Spanish general election PSOE and Pablo Iglesias, leader of the left-wing Podemos, announce a first government agreement that will constitute the first coalition government in Spain's democratic history. This follows the failure to reach an agreement last summer and the rise of the far-right party Vox. (The New York Times) 2019 Catalan protests, Catalan independence movement Protesters block the two main passages between Spain and France. In La Jonquera, on the border between Catalonia and France, French National Police try to expel rioters. (The Guardian) (BBC News) The Parliament of Catalonia approves a resolution expressing willingness to exercise the right to self-determination concretely, mocking the warnings of the Constitutional Court, which suspends its effects shortly thereafter. (The New York Times) During the night, some major throughways of Barcelona and Tarragona and national roads in Basque Country are blocked for a few minutes. (The Local) Evo Morales government resignation Despite lacking a quorum in a session of the National Congress, Senator Jeanine Áñez immediately declares herself President of Bolivia due to the vacancy arising from the resignation and exile of Evo Morales. (The New York Times) 2019 United Kingdom general election Brexit Party will withdraw its candidates in the 317 seats that the ruling Conservative Party won in the last general election. The move is expected to increase the chances of a Conservative majority in parliament. (The Washington Times) Politics of Moldova A vote of no-confidence ousts the government of Prime Minister Maia Sandu after breaking the coalition government with Socialist Party. (Reuters)

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(Posted) RD: Edwin Bramall

Article: Edwin Bramall (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Times
Credits:

• Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see

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Nominator's comments: Article well sourced and updated --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:40, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

• Support - An admirable man and an impressive article ~mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 18:52, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Well sourced, a true hero and ready for the main page. Only question I would have, should we list it as "Edwin Bramall" or "Lord Bramall"? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 20:45, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  I have deferred to the article's current title — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:43, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

•  Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:43, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

November 11

Portal:Current events/2019 November 11

November 11, 2019 (2019-11-11) (Monday) edit history watch Armed conflicts and attacks Evo Morales government resignation Buildings are set alight in La Paz overnight in apparent retaliatory attacks after Evo Morales resigned under pressure from anger over his disputed re-election. (Reuters) Armed gangs attack people in Cochabamba who appear to be celebrating Evo Morales's resignation. (The New York Times) Drinking water supplies to La Paz and El Alto, Bolivia's top two largest cities, are cut off. (The New York Times) Former Bolivian President Evo Morales says he has accepted an offer of political asylum in Mexico and boards a Mexican government plane as Bolivian Army troops are deployed in the capital. (BBC News) Gaza–Israel conflict The Islamic Jihad Movement in Palestine's armed wing known as the Al-Quds Brigades, in an airstrike on a building in the Gaza Strip. PIJ confirms the death of Baha Abu al-Ata and his wife, vowing to "shake the Zionist entity to its core" in response. (Haaretz) (The Jerusalem Post) Israeli involvement in the Syrian Civil War Islamic Jihad Movement in Palestine. The strike killed one of the militant's son. (Haaretz) Three ISIL. (Al Jazeera) ISIL also claims responsibility for the killing of an Armenian priest and his father. (Vatican News) Gunmen kill nine in twin attacks in Punjab a Pakistan province. The ambushes killed two police officers, two intelligence officers and an informant in the first attack. The second attack happened at a checkpoint when unknown gunmen killed an officer and three others. (TOLOnews) (Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty) A 33-year-old Yemeni man stabbed and wounded three Spanish theatre actors in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Is not known if the attack is in protest against the war in Yemen or for the attacker's opposition to Saudi Arabia’s growing entertainment industry. (The Arab Weekly) Arts and culture The wreckage of United States Navy submarine USS Grayback (SS-208), which disappeared with its 80 crew members in the East China Sea on February 27, 1944 during World War II, is discovered on the sea floor using new drone technology. (BBC News) (CNN) Law and crime White Helmets, a volunteer civil defence organisation in Syria, is found dead near his home in Istanbul, Turkey. The cause of death is not known. (BBC News) Cristian Sabou pleads guilty to the murder of Valerie Graves. He is convicted and sentenced to life imprisonment with a minimum of 23 years 272 days. (The Guardian) Politics and elections 2019 Hong Kong protests Protesters in Hong Kong call for a city-wide strike amidst an escalation in violence. Police shot a man with a live round at point-blank range in Sai Wan Ho district, besieged the Chinese University of Hong Kong and the Hong Kong Polytechnic University, and fired tear gas inside the campuses. (Reuters) Embattled Hong Kong leader Carrie Lam says on Monday that violence has exceeded protesters' demands for democracy and labels the demonstrators as the "people's enemy". (Reuters) The Taneti Mamau amid reported discontent with the government's decision to switch its diplomatic recognition of Taiwan to recognition of the People's Republic of China. (Radio New Zealand) International reactions to the persecution of Rohingyas in Myanmar Fifty-seven countries file a lawsuit in the International Court of Justice against Myanmar, formally accusing their government of committing a genocide against the country's Rohingya population. (ABC News) 2019 United Kingdom general election Major parties put forward veterans' platforms for Remembrance Day, the first in a campaign season since the 1923 election, with the Conservatives proposing an amendment to the Human Rights Act so that it will no longer apply to The Troubles or other 20th-century actions and the Labour Party promising extra childcare for military families and a new railcard for veterans. This is the 100th anniversary of the two-minute silence and other Armistice Day commemorations worldwide. (BBC News) Science and technology Transit of Mercury In a rare celestial event, 2032. (CBS News)

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RD: Charles Rogers (American football)

Article: 

talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS News

Credits:

• Updated and nominated by DBigXray (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Arbor to SJ (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: C Class article with excellent sourcing DBigXrayᗙ 15:05, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

• Oppose Large swathes of text are unreferenced, contrary to assertion by OP. --Jayron32 16:47, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose A significant number of claims are unsourced, including many that are BLP issues (which apply to the recently deceased). Black Kite (talk) 20:53, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: James Le Mesurier

Article: James Le Mesurier (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Independent
Credits:

• Nominated by Miraclepine (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Philip Cross (talk · give credit), Jwslubbock (talk · give credit) and Mvolz (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see

White Helmets volunteer organization. Responses section needs a neutrality fix and there's one unsourced sentence in the "Work with the White Helmets" section, but other than that it looks good. ミラP 22:25, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

• Oppose orange tag will need resolving - when fixed, support. Well-cited article. Kingsif (talk) 22:59, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support when the orange tag is removed. The article is mostly well-sourced. RebeccaGreen (talk) 00:35, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment I've just edited the article a bit, adding more sourced information about his work with the White Helmets, and deleting an unsourced and incomplete sentence in that section. RebeccaGreen (talk) 01:14, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Support – Looks good now. Significant improvements made. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 08:05, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support The information in paretheses under Military service surely means something, but it's lost on ENGVAR and JARGON. Presumably, he was in the military while not under command, or somesuch. If that was the extent of his official service, then I don't know why there should be a Military service section.130.233.2.197 (talk) 12:05, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• It seems that he joined the army before he was on active service. His actual service is covered by "He was promoted to lieutenant on 11 August 1993, and to captain on 11 August 1996. He worked with the United Nations peacekeeping force in the former Yugoslavia. He retired from the military on 1 June 2000." So that's 7 years of military service, after 3 years at university sponsored by the army, and about 6 weeks on probation at Sandhurst. Perhaps that section could be edited to make that a bit clearer. RebeccaGreen (talk) 12:41, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• I believe this is the Officers' Training Corps, but someone with more knowledge of British military organization would need to confirm. The U.S. has a similar system called the Reserve Officers' Training Corps of which I am more familiar, but the source is not clear on this. --Jayron32 13:13, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delay until article is more settled. I'm not experienced with ITN proposals, but with the Turkish media talking about his wife saying Le Mesurier was thinking of suicide 15 days before his death and was on psychiatric medication, it looks like there likely will be significant messy developments before too long. I wouldn't add such stuff at the moment on WP:BLP and WP:RS grounds, but here is an example. Rwendland (talk) 16:06, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• He was on "psychiatric medication"? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:15, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Posted. Black Kite (talk) 20:14, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Transit of Mercury

Article: Transit of Mercury (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Mercury transits the Sun. (Post)
News source(s): The Independent, timeanddate.com
Credits:

• Nominated by Arseny1992 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Currently ongoing. Quite rare astronomical event. Arseny1992 (talk) 13:29, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Support It is not a super rare event (last was 3 yrs ago, next is about 20) but this is along the lines of total eclipses and the like, so fair enough to post. --Masem (t) 14:46, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

According to that article, the next transit of Mercury is projected for 2032 Nov 13, which is 13 years from now. Banedon (talk) 22:25, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - the article is not up to standard, several unsourced data in tables, sentences or even paragraphs. starship.paint (talk) 14:47, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  @Arseny1992: - I suggest you improve the article by citing sources for all information in text or tables. starship.paint (talk) 15:02, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose, there seems to be no prose about this specific transit, and the pattern of the article suggests there never will be any. --LukeSurl ^{t c} 15:41, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak oppose. Whilst this is indeed a rare event (next one is in 2032), and I've been watching a live stream of it, at this point it's little more than trivia. All the science that can be obtained from such events was extracted centuries ago. ITN did post 2012 transit of Venus, but that event got a lot more public attention and a stand-alone article. That's even more true of total eclipses, which still have difficulty filling an article with useful information. Other than 'rare event happened exactly as predicted', it's not clear what could be said about this transit. There's certainly no substantial new content in transit of Mercury (currently just a tense change). Creating a new article and getting it into DYK would be better than putting the generic article in ITN. Modest Genius ^talk 15:46, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - Well as this transit is about to end soon, so no point to post on ITN now. As astronomical events can be predicted to eternity into the future, this probably needs to be posted on ITN/R instead and be notified in due time without short notice before one occur (be it a transit or any type of eclipse). --Arseny1992 (talk) 15:55, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose, call for close Didn't seem particularly important, and is (almost) over now. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 17:50, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I'm not sure why something described by a reliable source as an ""incredibly rare celestial event" should be snow-closed. It won't happen for another 20-odd years. ITN does cover events that have completed, so no reason to just shut this down. Probably as notable (and indeed rarer) as many other predictable celestial events, such a total eclipse. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 18:25, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak support as notable as eclipses etc, and rare, as noted above, but the article could use some work. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 18:26, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose Article doesn't have much info on this more than one line in a table. If it's not notable enough to have more than a brief mention on the general article about the topic then surely it's not notable enough for ITN.  Nixinova  T / C   21:48, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose per Masem - it's not a rare event. Banedon (talk) 22:15, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  CLARIFICATION: Masem said it wasn't a "super rare" event, and it won't happen again for 20 years. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 22:18, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: I've reopened this nomination, which I felt was closed prematurely. Although I !voted oppose, 5v3 is not 'clear consensus', the nomination has been open for less than 24 hours, and the outcome could change if there is substantial expansion of the article (or creation of a new one). Let this one play out a bit longer. Modest Genius ^talk 11:27, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support The article is updated, the subject has some news coverage, the article is okay. Yes, it's not world-changing, but neither are the rote violence and protests that we post on ITN. We can call this a genuinely rare event that will not be repeated anytime soon without running afould of CRYSTAL.130.233.2.197 (talk) 11:53, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't see any prose update in the article. The 2019 event just has one line in a data table. Modest Genius ^talk 12:58, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support - Glad this was reopened. It is a sufficiently rare astronomical event. Definitely encyclopedic. WaltCip (talk) 12:04, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose The specific occurrence doesn't even seem to merit its own article (unlike eclipses, where we generally post the stand-alone article about the event). The information about this transit appears to be confined to a date in a chart. There's just not enough Wikipedia content about this event to make it worth posting to the main page. If there were a sizable stand-alone article, or at least a several-paragraph section in a more general article, I could support it. However, there is not enough there there. --Jayron32 13:16, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose – Consensus against on ephemeral nature of (past) event, lack of general visibility and lack of wider significance. – Sca (talk) 14:26, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose - I had to add 36 {{
  cn|date=November 2019}} tags because I already warned about unsourced information earlier, but it was not fixed. starship.paint (talk) 14:42, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]

But on the plus side, it could be illustrated with this pic. – Sca (talk) 23:01, 12 November 2019 (UTC) →[reply]

Comment IMHO requesting sources for

Common sense guess would work better. If a meteorite would start falling, or aliens from alternate dimension would be invading, the last thing you probably would be doing, is requiring news sources for claims. As for this transit, when it did occur, you as well probably could watch it happen: you don't get a transit or eclipse everyday, and well since this discussion haven't gathered much in favor for notability of a rare event, it may be closed, but is to be taken into account when next transit/eclipse is about to occur, so probably best to note such events as ITN/R criteria. --Arseny1992 (talk) 20:26, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

@Arseny1992: - in my view as a layperson in this field, nothing unsourced in the article fits simple obvious claims such as "1+1 equals 2." You can't expect our readers to be versed in astronomy. If you can find something to disprove my assertion, post it. starship.paint (talk) 08:27, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak oppose I sort of want to see this on the main page since it's not common by any measure, but there's no way an article on this would have enough data, as seen through the linked article not even being specific to the date. Pie3141527182 (talk) 23:32, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

November 11

Portal:Current events/2019 November 11

November 11, 2019 (2019-11-11) (Monday) edit history watch Armed conflicts and attacks Evo Morales government resignation Buildings are set alight in La Paz overnight in apparent retaliatory attacks after Evo Morales resigned under pressure from anger over his disputed re-election. (Reuters) Armed gangs attack people in Cochabamba who appear to be celebrating Evo Morales's resignation. (The New York Times) Drinking water supplies to La Paz and El Alto, Bolivia's top two largest cities, are cut off. (The New York Times) Former Bolivian President Evo Morales says he has accepted an offer of political asylum in Mexico and boards a Mexican government plane as Bolivian Army troops are deployed in the capital. (BBC News) Gaza–Israel conflict The Islamic Jihad Movement in Palestine's armed wing known as the Al-Quds Brigades, in an airstrike on a building in the Gaza Strip. PIJ confirms the death of Baha Abu al-Ata and his wife, vowing to "shake the Zionist entity to its core" in response. (Haaretz) (The Jerusalem Post) Israeli involvement in the Syrian Civil War Islamic Jihad Movement in Palestine. The strike killed one of the militant's son. (Haaretz) Three ISIL. (Al Jazeera) ISIL also claims responsibility for the killing of an Armenian priest and his father. (Vatican News) Gunmen kill nine in twin attacks in Punjab a Pakistan province. The ambushes killed two police officers, two intelligence officers and an informant in the first attack. The second attack happened at a checkpoint when unknown gunmen killed an officer and three others. (TOLOnews) (Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty) A 33-year-old Yemeni man stabbed and wounded three Spanish theatre actors in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Is not known if the attack is in protest against the war in Yemen or for the attacker's opposition to Saudi Arabia’s growing entertainment industry. (The Arab Weekly) Arts and culture The wreckage of United States Navy submarine USS Grayback (SS-208), which disappeared with its 80 crew members in the East China Sea on February 27, 1944 during World War II, is discovered on the sea floor using new drone technology. (BBC News) (CNN) Law and crime White Helmets, a volunteer civil defence organisation in Syria, is found dead near his home in Istanbul, Turkey. The cause of death is not known. (BBC News) Cristian Sabou pleads guilty to the murder of Valerie Graves. He is convicted and sentenced to life imprisonment with a minimum of 23 years 272 days. (The Guardian) Politics and elections 2019 Hong Kong protests Protesters in Hong Kong call for a city-wide strike amidst an escalation in violence. Police shot a man with a live round at point-blank range in Sai Wan Ho district, besieged the Chinese University of Hong Kong and the Hong Kong Polytechnic University, and fired tear gas inside the campuses. (Reuters) Embattled Hong Kong leader Carrie Lam says on Monday that violence has exceeded protesters' demands for democracy and labels the demonstrators as the "people's enemy". (Reuters) The Taneti Mamau amid reported discontent with the government's decision to switch its diplomatic recognition of Taiwan to recognition of the People's Republic of China. (Radio New Zealand) International reactions to the persecution of Rohingyas in Myanmar Fifty-seven countries file a lawsuit in the International Court of Justice against Myanmar, formally accusing their government of committing a genocide against the country's Rohingya population. (ABC News) 2019 United Kingdom general election Major parties put forward veterans' platforms for Remembrance Day, the first in a campaign season since the 1923 election, with the Conservatives proposing an amendment to the Human Rights Act so that it will no longer apply to The Troubles or other 20th-century actions and the Labour Party promising extra childcare for military families and a new railcard for veterans. This is the 100th anniversary of the two-minute silence and other Armistice Day commemorations worldwide. (BBC News) Science and technology Transit of Mercury In a rare celestial event, 2032. (CBS News)

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RD: Charles Rogers (American football)

Article: 

talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS News

Credits:

• Updated and nominated by DBigXray (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Arbor to SJ (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see

WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: C Class article with excellent sourcing DBigXrayᗙ 15:05, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

• Oppose Large swathes of text are unreferenced, contrary to assertion by OP. --Jayron32 16:47, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose A significant number of claims are unsourced, including many that are BLP issues (which apply to the recently deceased). Black Kite (talk) 20:53, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: James Le Mesurier

Article: James Le Mesurier (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Independent
Credits:

• Nominated by Miraclepine (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Philip Cross (talk · give credit), Jwslubbock (talk · give credit) and Mvolz (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see

White Helmets volunteer organization. Responses section needs a neutrality fix and there's one unsourced sentence in the "Work with the White Helmets" section, but other than that it looks good. ミラP 22:25, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

• Oppose orange tag will need resolving - when fixed, support. Well-cited article. Kingsif (talk) 22:59, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support when the orange tag is removed. The article is mostly well-sourced. RebeccaGreen (talk) 00:35, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment I've just edited the article a bit, adding more sourced information about his work with the White Helmets, and deleting an unsourced and incomplete sentence in that section. RebeccaGreen (talk) 01:14, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Support – Looks good now. Significant improvements made. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 08:05, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support The information in paretheses under Military service surely means something, but it's lost on ENGVAR and JARGON. Presumably, he was in the military while not under command, or somesuch. If that was the extent of his official service, then I don't know why there should be a Military service section.130.233.2.197 (talk) 12:05, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• It seems that he joined the army before he was on active service. His actual service is covered by "He was promoted to lieutenant on 11 August 1993, and to captain on 11 August 1996. He worked with the United Nations peacekeeping force in the former Yugoslavia. He retired from the military on 1 June 2000." So that's 7 years of military service, after 3 years at university sponsored by the army, and about 6 weeks on probation at Sandhurst. Perhaps that section could be edited to make that a bit clearer. RebeccaGreen (talk) 12:41, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• I believe this is the Officers' Training Corps, but someone with more knowledge of British military organization would need to confirm. The U.S. has a similar system called the Reserve Officers' Training Corps of which I am more familiar, but the source is not clear on this. --Jayron32 13:13, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delay until article is more settled. I'm not experienced with ITN proposals, but with the Turkish media talking about his wife saying Le Mesurier was thinking of suicide 15 days before his death and was on psychiatric medication, it looks like there likely will be significant messy developments before too long. I wouldn't add such stuff at the moment on WP:BLP and WP:RS grounds, but here is an example. Rwendland (talk) 16:06, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• He was on "psychiatric medication"? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:15, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Posted. Black Kite (talk) 20:14, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Transit of Mercury

Article: No article specified
Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)

| article = Transit of Mercury | article2 = | image = | blurb = Mercury transits the Sun. | recent deaths = no | ongoing = yes | altblurb = | altblurb2 = | altblurb3 = | altblurb4 = | sources = The Independent, timeanddate.com | updated = | updated2 = | creator = | updater = | updater2 = | updater3 = | ITNR = no | nom cmt = Currently ongoing. Quite rare astronomical event. | nominator = Arseny1992 | sign = Arseny1992 (talk) 13:29, 11 November 2019 (UTC) }}[reply]

• Support It is not a super rare event (last was 3 yrs ago, next is about 20) but this is along the lines of total eclipses and the like, so fair enough to post. --Masem (t) 14:46, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

According to that article, the next transit of Mercury is projected for 2032 Nov 13, which is 13 years from now. Banedon (talk) 22:25, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - the article is not up to standard, several unsourced data in tables, sentences or even paragraphs. starship.paint (talk) 14:47, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  @Arseny1992: - I suggest you improve the article by citing sources for all information in text or tables. starship.paint (talk) 15:02, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose, there seems to be no prose about this specific transit, and the pattern of the article suggests there never will be any. --LukeSurl ^{t c} 15:41, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak oppose. Whilst this is indeed a rare event (next one is in 2032), and I've been watching a live stream of it, at this point it's little more than trivia. All the science that can be obtained from such events was extracted centuries ago. ITN did post 2012 transit of Venus, but that event got a lot more public attention and a stand-alone article. That's even more true of total eclipses, which still have difficulty filling an article with useful information. Other than 'rare event happened exactly as predicted', it's not clear what could be said about this transit. There's certainly no substantial new content in transit of Mercury (currently just a tense change). Creating a new article and getting it into DYK would be better than putting the generic article in ITN. Modest Genius ^talk 15:46, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - Well as this transit is about to end soon, so no point to post on ITN now. As astronomical events can be predicted to eternity into the future, this probably needs to be posted on ITN/R instead and be notified in due time without short notice before one occur (be it a transit or any type of eclipse). --Arseny1992 (talk) 15:55, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose, call for close Didn't seem particularly important, and is (almost) over now. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 17:50, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I'm not sure why something described by a reliable source as an ""incredibly rare celestial event" should be snow-closed. It won't happen for another 20-odd years. ITN does cover events that have completed, so no reason to just shut this down. Probably as notable (and indeed rarer) as many other predictable celestial events, such a total eclipse. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 18:25, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak support as notable as eclipses etc, and rare, as noted above, but the article could use some work. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 18:26, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose Article doesn't have much info on this more than one line in a table. If it's not notable enough to have more than a brief mention on the general article about the topic then surely it's not notable enough for ITN.  Nixinova  T / C   21:48, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose per Masem - it's not a rare event. Banedon (talk) 22:15, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  CLARIFICATION: Masem said it wasn't a "super rare" event, and it won't happen again for 20 years. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 22:18, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: I've reopened this nomination, which I felt was closed prematurely. Although I !voted oppose, 5v3 is not 'clear consensus', the nomination has been open for less than 24 hours, and the outcome could change if there is substantial expansion of the article (or creation of a new one). Let this one play out a bit longer. Modest Genius ^talk 11:27, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support The article is updated, the subject has some news coverage, the article is okay. Yes, it's not world-changing, but neither are the rote violence and protests that we post on ITN. We can call this a genuinely rare event that will not be repeated anytime soon without running afould of CRYSTAL.130.233.2.197 (talk) 11:53, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't see any prose update in the article. The 2019 event just has one line in a data table. Modest Genius ^talk 12:58, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support - Glad this was reopened. It is a sufficiently rare astronomical event. Definitely encyclopedic. WaltCip (talk) 12:04, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose The specific occurrence doesn't even seem to merit its own article (unlike eclipses, where we generally post the stand-alone article about the event). The information about this transit appears to be confined to a date in a chart. There's just not enough Wikipedia content about this event to make it worth posting to the main page. If there were a sizable stand-alone article, or at least a several-paragraph section in a more general article, I could support it. However, there is not enough there there. --Jayron32 13:16, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose – Consensus against on ephemeral nature of (past) event, lack of general visibility and lack of wider significance. – Sca (talk) 14:26, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose - I had to add 36 {{
  cn|date=November 2019}} tags because I already warned about unsourced information earlier, but it was not fixed. starship.paint (talk) 14:42, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]

But on the plus side, it could be illustrated with this pic. – Sca (talk) 23:01, 12 November 2019 (UTC) →[reply]

Comment IMHO requesting sources for

Common sense guess would work better. If a meteorite would start falling, or aliens from alternate dimension would be invading, the last thing you probably would be doing, is requiring news sources for claims. As for this transit, when it did occur, you as well probably could watch it happen: you don't get a transit or eclipse everyday, and well since this discussion haven't gathered much in favor for notability of a rare event, it may be closed, but is to be taken into account when next transit/eclipse is about to occur, so probably best to note such events as ITN/R criteria. --Arseny1992 (talk) 20:26, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

@Arseny1992: - in my view as a layperson in this field, nothing unsourced in the article fits simple obvious claims such as "1+1 equals 2." You can't expect our readers to be versed in astronomy. If you can find something to disprove my assertion, post it. starship.paint (talk) 08:27, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak oppose I sort of want to see this on the main page since it's not common by any measure, but there's no way an article on this would have enough data, as seen through the linked article not even being specific to the date. Pie3141527182 (talk) 23:32, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

November 10

Portal:Current events/2019 November 10

November 10, 2019 (2019-11-10) (Sunday) edit history watch Armed conflicts and attacks Five Islamic State claims responsibility for the attack. (Fox News) The Armed Forces of the Democratic Republic of the Congo announces it has "neutralized" the leader of an offshoot of a Hutu militia, the Democratic Forces for the Liberation of Rwanda, in another blow to a "weakened group". (Reuters) Syrian Civil War, 2019 Turkish offensive into north-eastern Syria Turkey says a car bomb near the Syrian city of Tell Abyad killed at least eight civilians and injured twenty others. (The Washington Post) 2019 Hong Kong protests Protesters vandalize a subway station as violence breaks out across the New Territories amid anger over a demonstrator's death and the arrest of pro-democracy politicians. (ABC News) Arts and culture 2019 Japanese imperial transition The new Emperor Naruhito and his wife Empress Masako take part in a parade in central Tokyo as tens of thousands of onlookers line the streets in celebration of the emperor's enthronement. (Mainichi Shimbun) (Kyodo News Plus) (Associated Press) Politics and elections Evo Morales government resignation Bolivian President Evo Morales announces new general elections after accusations of fraud. (Deutsche Welle) (The New York Times) Hours after the announcement, Morales resigns from the presidency amid pressure from the coup'. (BBC News) (The Guardian) The constitutional successors of Morales, President of the Senate Adriana Salvatierra and President of the Chamber of Deputies Víctor Borda also resign. Mining Minister César Navarro also announces his resignation. (Reuters) Vice President of the Senate Jeanine Áñez becomes the acting president of Bolivia, the first woman to ascend to that office. (Time) 2019 Romanian presidential election People in Romania cast their votes in the country's latest presidential election. (Deutsche Welle) Israel–Jordan peace treaty Israel returns the territory of the "Island of Peace" to Jordan. (The Times of Israel) November 2019 Spanish general election Citizens of Spain head to the polls for the second general election within a year. (Deutsche Welle) The PSOE, headed by incumbent Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez, wins the election but loses 3 seats and its absolute majority in the Senate. Political deadlock remains. (The Guardian) Far-right Vox gains 28 seats and raises from fifth to the third national force. (BBC News) The center-right Citizens, the third national force going into the elections, goes from 57 seats in Congress to just 10, the biggest seat loss in the election. Albert Rivera quits as Citizens' leader as a result. (El País) (The New York Times) 2019 Chilean protests An American white supremacist shoots a protester in Reñaca. Before being detained by the police, he uploads a video to YouTube confessing the attack, claiming to have fired in self-defense. (The Washington Post) Interior Minister Gonzalo Blumel announces the government will propose the creation of a new constitution through the existing Congress instead of a constituent assembly as requested by the protesters. (Bloomberg News) Sports 2019 MLS Cup Playoffs The CenturyLink Field to win their second MLS Cup. (Major League Soccer)

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RD: Noel Ignatiev

Article: Noel Ignatiev (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New Yorker, LA Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Bobamnertiopsis (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see

How the Irish Became White —Collin^{t c} 03:22, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

(Posted) RD: Rick Ludwin

Article: Rick Ludwin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): USA Today
Credits:

• Nominated by Teemu08 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by 
  talk · give credit
  )

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see

WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: TV executive best known for his support of Seinfeld Teemu08 (talk) 22:34, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

•  Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:58, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Spanish general election

Article: November 2019 Spanish general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Spanish Socialist Workers' Party wins the most seats in the November general election but fails to obtain majority as the People's Party and the far-right Vox gain many seats. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Spanish Socialist Workers' Party wins the most seats in the second general election in Spain, but does not gain a majority.
News source(s): BBC, The Guardian, El País
Credits:

• Nominated by
  talk · give credit
  )

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on

talk) 01:53, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

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• Oppose needs a prose update of the results, more citations in the timeline and ideally some more prose here. Also, the opinion polls graph seems to go on into the future - it should be cut down to end in Nov 2019 so we can see the lines. Kingsif (talk) 05:18, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• We don't typically mention lesser parties in blurbs like this. Suggest altblurb. 331dot (talk) 16:52, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Still no prose in results. There is, however, a giant table-dump daughter article listing results by district, and some (poorly sourced) new prose under Aftermath. The content of the latter might be suitable for Results prose.130.233.2.197 (talk) 12:16, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose – The major contributor, Impru20, says that a prose summary is not needed. I guess we will never post Spanish elections any more. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 05:27, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• There is a small prose summary at the November 2019 Spanish general election#Aftermath. What I said is that a summary is not needed in the "Results" section, because all sources depict results with tables and, frankly, there is little sense in trying to describe with words what is already better described through a sourced table. Impru20^talk 05:42, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Resignation of Bolivian gov't; Jeanine Áñez becomes president-designate

Articles: 

forced to resign amid accusations of electoral fraud and military pressure.
News source(s): (BBC News) (CBS News) (Financial Times)

---- more sources coming soon, still on Live TV
Credits:

• Nominated by CoryGlee (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Zellfire999 (talk · give credit) and Kingsif (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Sources coming soon. --CoryGlee (talk) 21:01, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Support in principle, but Morales's resignation is barely mentioned in the article right now. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 21:19, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • That's totally true, I am working on it along other users users, but it's as hot as a hot dog. Not much info apart from the military pressure. --CoryGlee (talk) 21:25, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support - This is major news. Articles seems ready to be posted. BabbaQ (talk) 22:04, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support on the merits, should the blurb mention that the VP resigned too(as we don't know who is in charge yet). 331dot (talk) 22:19, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Generally a change of head of state is regarded as ITNR as well(though, again, we don't know who it is changing to yet). 331dot (talk) 22:23, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

331dot Hi my friend, as I said, it's so hot the news that it's overwhelming TV, I've just heard that military authorities have ordered the arrest of Morales. Too many changes at any moment. --CoryGlee (talk) 22:25, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Wait until we know who has taken over. Also I'm not wild about the blurb which seems to imply this was a military coup. It should reference the ongoing protests what the hell is going on -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:30, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support and added alt. Kingsif (talk) 22:44, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Kingsif Hi my friend, Jorge Faurie, Foreign Minister of Argentina made it clear on TN (Todo Noticias) TV channel, that Argentina would not grant asylum to Morales. That should be dismissed. :) ----- --CoryGlee (talk) 22:47, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Whoa! Coup d'état is a very loaded term. We would need very widespread, near unanimous, use of that term in reliable secondary sources to use it in wiki voice. The title of the new article is highly problematic. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:50, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I never suggested it was a coup. I didn't add that. --CoryGlee (talk) 22:53, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I only edited the article; it does really depend on who takes over as to whether it's a coup, but since it was the military turning on Morales, it's at least in the ballpark. edit: update to say that sources are citing or openly using the term because of the police action at least; sources added to article. Kingsif (talk) 22:59, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Support I think the blurb should include the fact that Morales resigned under pressure from the military. (Morales says he was not given a choice.) So I prefer the original blurb. Davey2116 (talk) 23:25, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose "Coup d'état"? Really? Morales disrespected his people will expressed in the
  talk) 00:26, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]

SirEdimon, my original nomination article target was 2019 Bolivian protests. I don't know who changed it and I don't understand it. It's been confirmed that Gen. Williams Kaliman suggested him to resign but not confirmed he launched a coup. --CoryGlee (talk) 00:32, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

Oh, I see. My opinion was about the article

talk) 00:37, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

• Comment I'm going to be BOLD and put this on hold pending more information and article discussions re. coup. The protest page should be fine as a target, but when I saw the coup page had been made, I ran with it. Kingsif (talk) 00:57, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm not sure what "on hold" means - does it mean that no discussion can be allowed? that an item cannot be posted? - and because there is not clear consensus to "hold", I have reverted at this time. If there is consensus to post and an updated article, then an item should be posted. If a new article becomes a better target, then that can be discussed here or in a new nom; I don't see any reason to put a nom on indefinite hold. Best, Spencer^T•C 01:05, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • An 'on hold' has been used before, it just means 'don't post even if there appears to be consensus, there's another issue being discussed'. Kingsif (talk) 01:09, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Blurb needs "why?" Is it because of voter fraud? Because he's native? Bad for business? Corrupt? Sadistic? Progressive? I typically forget which South American country Bolivia is, and I'm not the only one. Can we get a hint of the compelling political forces at play here, experts? Keep it vague, if need be, just some agreed motive. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:30, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Bolivia, a country you think about so little... Davey2116 (talk) 02:26, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Added Alt3 feat. Jeanine Áñez. Working on her article. Kingsif (talk) 03:02, 11 November 2019 (UTC) Also, coup title issue sorted.[reply]

• Support, with simple blurb Keep it simple, especially since this is a fast moving, current event. I prefer "After
  forced to resign amid accusations of electoral fraud".----ZiaLater (talk) 03:45, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Oppose alternative blurbs. His call for reelection comes from the OAS while his resignation comes from the coup. --107.77.223.113 (talk) 03:52, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Support blurb - Agree that shorter is better, but I’d go with the alt blurbs too. Article appears to be in good shape. Suggest timely post. Jusdafax (talk) 04:26, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support on notability. Hrodvarsson (talk) 04:27, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted the first alt-blurb as I think the successor is important. I'm about to put Morales' picture in the queue for protection. Thryduulf (talk) 10:53, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I believe the current blurb reads as if the protesters forced the government to resign. According to all sources this is not the case; the military forced the government to resign. Even as we justifiably agree not to use the term 'coup' as of now, we still cannot avoid the facts of the case. Davey2116 (talk) 06:29, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: T. N. Seshan

Article: T. N. Seshan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Times of India
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Nizil Shah (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see

WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former Chief Election Commissioner of India who brought significant changes and electoral reforms. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 19:38, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

• Oppose based on lack of citations. Kees08 (Talk) 03:01, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Kees08: Please reconsider your vote. Article is updated. -Nizil (talk) 07:43, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Support as updater. Article needs some copyediting and some more info in Career section. -Nizil (talk) 07:43, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted. Thryduulf (talk) 11:01, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Cyclone Bulbul

Article: 

Cyclone Bulbul hits the Bay of Bengal. (Post)
News source(s): BBC

Credits:

• Nominated by Sherenk1 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Moheen (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Hurricaneboy23 (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Very Severe Cyclonic Storm. Sherenk1 (talk) 02:16, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose for now – A bit too early to tell if this is worth posting. Bangladesh is notorious for catastrophic cyclones, but we don't have enough info at present. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 03:24, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 22:16, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Wait per Cyclonebiscuit. This might turn out to be a massively significant storm, but it isn't one currently. Thryduulf (talk) 11:14, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - 18 have died as of now, updated blurb. Sherenk1 (talk) 02:09, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support - the storm is now sufficiently significant and the article is in fairly good shape. NorthernFalcon (talk) 08:05, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support - might help people to get information around it at this juncture much . Devopam (talk) 08:08, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support - and good to go now.BabbaQ (talk) 23:53, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
•  Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:32, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

November 9

Portal:Current events/2019 November 9

November 9, 2019 (2019-11-09) (Saturday) edit history watch Armed conflicts and attacks 2019 Chilean protests Overnight, protesters forcibly storm the Argentine government's support for President Sebastián Piñera. Ambassador José Octavio Bordón is unharmed and now considering moving the embassy. (Buenos Aires Times) 2019 Bolivian protests Police guards outside Bolivia's presidential palace abandoned their posts and join the protest against Evo Morales. (Associated Press) (Fox News) Disasters and accidents Bushfires in Australia The bodies of three people killed by bushfires in Australia are found – two near Glen Innes, and one at Johns River – as fires that have destroyed at least 150 houses continue to burn in eastern New South Wales and Queensland. (The Sydney Morning Herald) Half a million people are evacuated from the Cyclone Bulbul. (CNN) Law and crime Ayodhya dispute The Supreme Court of India rules in favor of Hindus over a place of worship that has been the center of disputes between them and the Muslim community in the country. (Reuters) Politics and elections President Mahamadou Issoufou. (The Patriotic Vanguard)

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Neutro Shorty concert stampede

Article: Neutro Shorty concert stampede (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Four teenagers are killed, and over 50 injured, in a stampede at a park concert in Caracas, Venezuela. (Post)
News source(s): El País VPItv
Credits:

• Created and nominated by Kingsif (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Not much more to say - lots of teenagers trying to get in early, crushing each other. All deceased age 14. Kingsif (talk) 22:40, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose trivia. Other sections of the main page may satisfy. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 22:42, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• While I don't challenge the oppose, I guess it's "only" three four deaths, I do want to ask why you think it's trivia. A human stampede on Saturday is certainly news, no? And I can't imagine it serves better at DYK... Kingsif (talk) 22:46, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• It's a very low loss of life, we've had many many articles about stampedes with higher death tolls that weren't considered particularly newsworthy. Venezuela even had a stampede just last year with many more killed. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 13:44, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Support This type of events aren't common in Venezuela, with the exception of
  talk) 23:15, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]

• Not common in Venezuela, but there was one only last year? Hard to judge the significance of your claim, or indeed of this event, without knowing how common human stampedes are worldwide every year? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:45, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Support Article is of sufficient quality to appear on the main page. --Jayron32 13:21, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support - I want to warn against systemic bias that tends to take place among !voters when news stories of stampedes start popping up. There's often a subconscious assumption that these happen only in developing countries and that therefore the bar to posting should be much higher for those same countries. That should not distract from how individually newsworthy these events are, or how uncommon they can be in specific regions.--WaltCip (talk) 13:26, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support. Newsworthy event and article is in decent shape. There is no reason to assume that stampedes at concerts happen so often that it is trivial to report on it (Category:Human stampedes in 2019 only contains three articles and the other two are not related to musical acts). Other such disasters, such as Love Parade disaster, were featured in ITN as well. As a side note, I'm surprised that a band that is so popular that people trample each other to see it has no article yet. Regards SoWhy 13:38, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose Walt's point is well taken - human stampedes happen everywhere. Note the deaths of 3 in anglophone Ireland this year was not even nominated. If we are not going to post every stampede, it follows that we will post only those with large body counts or larger context (government inaction, etc). This has neither. GreatCaesarsGhost 13:47, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• How many are there? Do we have an article that tells us? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:50, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Indeed we do. They're frequent enough that I don't think a stampede that kills 4 is blurbable per se. GreatCaesarsGhost 18:45, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]

Thanks. I tend to agree. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:12, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose I'm unsure that this rises to the scale of ITN. We didn't post the similar one in Ireland not long ago, and the article isn't particularly great either. Black Kite (talk) 20:03, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2019 United Kingdom floods

No consensus to post. Stephen 23:05, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 

talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ An ongoing flood that is happening in Sheffield and Derbyshire in the United Kingdom (Post)
News source(s): BBC

Credits:

• Nominated by LC1829 (talk · give credit)

Article updated

 LC1829 (talk) 16:49, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose unless this flood gets much worse. 331dot (talk) 17:00, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment – RS coverage seems scant outside UK or maybe EU. – Sca (talk) 17:37, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose, at least at present. It's causing localised disruption but they're not the worst floods in the UK in the recent past and (so far at least) have only resulted in 1 death. We can revisit this if they go on for a prolonged time and/or get significantly worse. Thryduulf (talk) 21:53, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose The flooding has now largely subsided [12] and while the one death is tragic I don’t think the flood is ITN level of significance. The article is still a stub as well. P-K3 (talk) 22:19, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose Didn't reach the level of notoriety for the front page I feel. I wasn't directly affected by the floods but it was more the "shock" value of it that made it newsworthy.--Trans-Neptunian object (talk) 23:22, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) Kartarpur corridor

Article: 

Sikh pilgrims visa-free access to Gurdwara Darbar Sahib (pictured) for the first time since the partition.
News source(s): Dawn

Credits:

• Nominated by Guy in the Mall (talk · give credit)
• Created by Amanverma121 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by 
  talk · give credit) and Kautilya3 (talk · give credit
  )

Article updated

Nominator's comments: This was also nominated in November last year. Guy in the Mall (talk) 10:04, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Support in principle – A welcome change to our usual postings and a marked change to the state of India–Pakistan relations. I am not sure about the wording of the blurb though. Seems one-sided. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 10:58, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • The
    Sikh holy sites between India and Pakistan for the first time, is inaugurated. Mount Patagonia (talk) 11:18, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
    ]

    Support alt 2 3 --- Coffeeandcrumbs 14:10, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment needs copyedit "Pakistan constructed 4.7 KM of dedicated expressways, including 800 meter bridge over the River Ravi". Nolo on notability. --LaserLegs (talk) 11:26, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support - Added alt blurb. Article looks good. Sherenk1 (talk) 11:29, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment – Of doubtful general interest. – Sca (talk) 13:14, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support. Even NYT & BBC are carrying the news of this significant development but oppose using Alt2 as the flow of pilgrims is only one-sided. So giving equal weight to both countries would be a total eyewash. Bigfoot Yeti (talk) 14:57, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  I doubt the word "historic" will ever appear on the Main Page. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 15:50, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  What do you think of the other alt blurb I wrote above? It's a bit wordy but I think it addresses this issue. Mount Patagonia (talk) 17:28, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  Nice. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 19:00, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Support alt 3. Banedon (talk) 22:18, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support alt 3. Important to the international conflict in that region as a positive sign of change. --Masem (t) 03:55, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support - Such a goodwill from Imran Khan while the tensions remain high in the region. STSC (talk) 08:38, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support - Border corridor between two nuclear nations and undergoing rough diplomatic relations at the same time. Mods please post it now.Regards,
  theTigerKing  11:50, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Support it is a major news, no problems in the article that can prevent this from mainpage. Added the names of Kautilya3 and DiplomatTesterMan as updaters. Good work guys. --DBigXrayᗙ 12:14, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Not ready until the article gets a copy edit for grammar. Can't have stuff like "In 2019, Pakistan army placed a bomb on display," or "Pakistan constructed 4.7 km of dedicated expressways, including 800 meter bridge over the River Ravi" linked from the main page. Close, but not ready. --LaserLegs (talk) 14:42, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  Fixed those sentences, I think. Kinda hard to see an issue if you don't explain the issue. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 16:51, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Support alt 3-- BoothSift 02:23, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted Stephen 02:53, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Ayodhya dispute

Article: Ayodhya dispute (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ India's Supreme Court makes a long-awaited ruling on a disputed religious site in the northern holy city of Ayodhya. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The disputed holy site of Ayodhya in northern India should be given to Hindus who want a temple built there, the country's Supreme Court has ruled.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In an unanimous decision, the Indian Supreme Court rules the disputed holy site in the northern city of Ayodhya should be given to the Hindus.
Alternative blurb III: ​ The Supreme Court of India delivers a unanimous verdict in favor of the construction of a Hindu temple at the disputed holy site in Ayodhya.
News source(s): BBC, AP, Reuters, Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Sherenk1 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Kautilya3 (talk · give credit) and Vanamonde93 (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Long awaited ruling. Sherenk1 (talk) 05:51, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Wait but leaning oppose There is major concern about violence erupting from the decision (pitting Hindu vs Muslim) and that might be worth posting about. But if the court rules (either way) and the net result is most heating gathers but no significant violence, it won't have much importance to the rest of the world. --Masem (t) 06:21, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • A comment : those that are saying this is an important part of the Hindu/Muslim issue in India, this article does not reflect that importance. Yes, it's a long-disputed site, but nothing expresses how major this affects the larger issue between these two faiths. --Masem (t) 17:34, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong Support One of the most important judgement delivered by the Supreme Court of India (which cannot be appealed) since independence and pending since 19th century. The judgment does not change the world politics but brings to an end the history of the dispute. The events surrounding the subject have shaped India's history to this date. Is widely covered by the international media (as it is a significant event). [13] [14] [15][16]. Regards,
  theTigerKing  06:52, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Comment - The case has been going on for decades, and is a major judgement for the SC. But I would oppose it as it won’t influence world politics at all. That is the only thing that can stop this from becoming a blurb, however, so this probably will become a blurb...
  RedBulbBlueBlood9911 (talk) 06:57, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Support pending cleanup grammar is actually not horrible, but there are some sentence structure issues that need fixing like "While we have had a mosque bearing an inscription". CN tags need fixing of course and the timeline section isn't backed completely by the massive BBC reference used to source it. --LaserLegs (talk) 11:23, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak suppport - While this might not have any bearing on the international scene, it is still a major landmark case for one of the largest nations on Earth, and my understanding is that this case has cast a huge shadow on Hindu-Muslim relations in India for the past two decades. It's also considered a major victory for the current government, whose party has campaigned for decades to build a temple there. There is still a matter of cleaning up the article as mentioned above. Mount Patagonia (talk) 11:37, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • On a somewhat related note, here's a proposed alternate blurb: In an unanimous decision, the Indian Supreme Court rules the disputed holy site in the northern city of Ayodhya should be given to the Hindus. Mount Patagonia (talk) 11:37, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong support from somebody not coming or related to India. I see some people from the Europe looking for more information today and it should be here on the front page. The importance of this goes way beyond India.  « Saper // @talk »  12:30, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• support - Seems ready for posting as well.BabbaQ (talk) 12:38, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment – Although the ruling has received RS coverage, its general significance seems questionable. – Sca (talk) 14:32, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - There is a new article being worked on. Should that be the target? Sherenk1 (talk) 15:01, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • There is no reason that the verdict should be a separate article. The original article is short enough to include that, and you lose all the context by separating it. --Masem (t) 17:36, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong Support - It's one of the more central issues in
  talk) 15:59, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Support, a major political and social development in a country of over a billion people. As NYT has put it, "a historic verdict on a dispute that has roiled the country for decades"[17]. Nsk92 (talk) 19:48, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support alt 3. Banedon (talk) 22:18, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose - It's just a domestic affair without any global significance. STSC (talk) 08:30, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Please do not oppose an item because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is unproductive. 2409:4071:2015:9D21:87FA:4220:4248:60D (talk)

I don't mind it's relating to one country, my main point is the event has no global significance, nor even regional significance. STSC (talk) 09:20, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Support - A very notable dispute has been solved. Good to go as well.BabbaQ (talk) 10:19, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support The article is in decent shape and this is international news.Added Kautilya3 and Vanamonde93 as updaters, good work. --DBigXrayᗙ 12:18, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Not ready until the unreferenced parts of the timeline which are not from the large BBC article have references. --LaserLegs (talk) 14:39, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support I think 2019 Supreme Court verdict on Ayodhya dispute would be a better target, but this seems good to go. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 20:22, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Ready-- BoothSift 02:24, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted Stephen 22:18, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Thich Tri Quang

Article: 

talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Thanh Nien, BBC

Credits:

• Nominated by Bumbubookworm (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see

WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Vietnamese monk who led protests in South Vietnam from 1963-66 during which there were many changes in government. Died in the evening of 8 November but this was kept secret until 9 November after the funeral. Bumbubookworm (talk) 22:23, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

• Support, the fact that official Vietnamese media can not avoid reporting Thich Tri Quang´s death underlines his notability as a person of major political influence during the war. The article needs some additional info about his early years and his fate after the war. JimRenge (talk) 00:13, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Added early years and later years Bumbubookworm (talk) 02:15, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Looks well referenced.-- P-K3 (talk) 18:43, 12 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted Stephen 01:06, 13 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

November 8

Portal:Current events/2019 November 8

November 8, 2019 (2019-11-08) (Friday) edit history watch Disasters and accidents A 5.9-magnitude earthquake strikes 60 km (35 miles) from East Azerbaijan Province, in northwestern Iran, killing at least six and injuring more than 300. The United States Geological Survey warns that "significant casualties are likely and the disaster is potentially widespread". (Al Jazeera) An explosion in a mine in Teutschenthal, Saxony-Anhalt, Germany, injures two workers and traps around 30 underground in a secure area. All are rescued several hours later. (Deutsche Welle) Law and crime Takuma Sakuragi, a 76-year-old former Chinese authorities since then. (Kyodo News Plus) (Los Angeles Times) A federal judge orders the immediate release of former Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva. (Reuters) 2019 Hong Kong protests A student from Hong Kong University of Science and Technology, named Chow Tsz-lok, died after suffering brain damage following a fall during anti-government protests. (The Guardian) (The New York Times) Impeachment inquiry into Donald Trump During her testimony before U.S. House investigators last month in the impeachment inquiry against President Donald Trump, Fiona Hill, Trump's former top adviser on Russia and Europe, said that she received death threats and "hateful calls" and was the subject of false "conspiracy theories" as part of a targeted harassment campaign she claims was implemented after she agreed to cooperate with the inquiry, according to a deposition transcript. (NBC News) Politics and elections ISIL prisoners on Monday. (Reuters) Under pressure of sanctions by Prime Minister of Guinea-Bissau Faustino Imbali resigns. (Yahoo! News) 2019 Bolivian protests Several dozen policemen were seen joining the protests against Evo Morales' government in at least three cities. Bolivia's defence minister stated that no "military measures" would be taken against the policemen, but added that he would "get" the disobedient officers. (Reuters) (The Guardian)

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2019 Mauritian general election

Article: 

WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 Manish2542 (talk) 00:50, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

• Oppose for now. Article needs expansion before it can be posted to the main page. At present it's a borderline stub. Will reconsider on improvements. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:07, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose at present. Not more than a stub and results table is empty.  Nixinova  T / C   03:21, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose at this time. Barely a stub. I mean the results table is still empty. The infobox hasn't even been updated. There is no info regarding the campaign & all the political parties that contested the election. LefcentrerightTalk (plz ping) 10:12, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Stale) RD: Robert Freeman

Now stale. Black Kite (talk) 15:27, 15 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Robert Freeman (photographer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline Hollywood
Credits:

• Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see

WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Photographer of several of the Beatles albums and other artists. Article is not too far off in quality, but does need a good amount of sourcing. Masem (t) 23:12, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

• Oppose not close to main page quality. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 23:33, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose per nom, a lot of work needed on the referencing. P-K3 (talk) 22:06, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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(Closed) Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva

(non-admin closure) Consensus to post will not develop.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 10:28, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Former Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva (pictured), arrested for 580 days, has been released. (Post)
News source(s): Aljazeera, CNN, The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by MSN12102001 (talk · give credit)

 MSN12102001 (talk) 22:58, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose We really don't post the releases of people from prison, even former world leaders. --Masem (t) 23:12, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose good faith nom, per Masem. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:22, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose ibid. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 23:32, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose per all, I don't think a prison release is itself usually notable enough for here. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 23:48, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose. This release is on a technicality as he has not exhausted his appeals yet. If he was exonerated of charges and released, that might be different. 331dot (talk) 02:26, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose Lula (and several other people) was released due to a new constitutional understanding by Brazilian Supreme Court. Lula was not acquitted of any of the crimes he's accused of.--
  talk) 02:57, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Oppose Politicians around the world get arrested and released frequently. We don't actually post them. LefcentrerightTalk (plz ping) 10:03, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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(Closed) Ongoing: Joker (2019 film)

Strong consensus against posting. – Ammarpad (talk) 15:15, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Joker (2019 film) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
News source(s): IndieWire, Forbes, MarketWatch, EuroNews, CNN, France24, Al Jazera
Article updated

Nominator's comments: Surprisingly, this has become the highest R-rated movie in history a month after its release. The R-rating category is quite distinct from other ones, so a record for it (as opposed to biggest movie ever is IMHO) worthwhile. Even the threats of shooters was notable. But the biggest feat of this movie is how it has ingrained itself into the culture that protests around the world use the Joker's mask. It's rare that a Hollywood movie has such a distinct cultural impact, and I think as long as it keeps popping up at protests around the world, this should be featured in ongoing. 205.175.106.108 (talk) 20:46, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose Entertainment trivia w/o a blurb. It's sunny and 85 here, but I see SNOW in the forecast. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:50, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Joker_(2019_film)#Social_commentary trivia indeed /s. 205.175.106.108 (talk) 20:52, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Snow close Hideously shallow trivia doktorb _words^deeds 21:02, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose Not really what the Ongoing section is for.-- P-K3 (talk) 21:05, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• This is absolutely ridiculous. 30 minutes after nomination is not a suitable timeframe to determine if something should be snow closed.--WaltCip (talk) 00:06, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  I would agree that the closure is premature. So I'm re-opening, without prejudice. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 00:12, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong oppose I can't see how we can support a piece of contemporary media as an ongoing topic. If there were numerous protests specifically surrounding the film going on worldwide that endured for several days, maybe. But that's not the case here. --Masem (t) 00:25, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support some kind of a blurb, Oppose ongoing. We can post sports records right? We can post the record sale price of some painting right? So we can post this too. Article is excellent. --LaserLegs (talk) 01:36, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • There are certain sports records that are long-standing points of perfection (eg the four minute mile, or the more recent 2-hr marathon). Random records we don't post unless its part of another story. Same here, especially since we have to add the cavaet of "highest grossing R rated films", in contrast to when Avengers Endgame surpassed all films previously and did not need any clarifying caveats. --Masem (t) 01:40, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • We've posted numerous times record auction prices for paintings (maybe other crap). The article is excellent, our
      WP:ITN#Purpose seems satisfied to me. I mean ... is it terrible if we push out the blurb for a week old baseball game or a staggeringly irrelevant train accident? Come on.... --LaserLegs (talk) 01:49, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
      ]
• Oppose. There is nothing to justify ongoing. A blurb could have been considered when it became the highest-grossing R-rated film but that was 24 October (reported 25 October [18]) so that's old news. The record was also broken in 2016 by
  American rating for American theaters). PrimeHunter (talk) 02:25, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Strong oppose for ongoing as this is completely unsuitable for that spot. Oppose blurb per PrimeHunter, it's more significant in the UK as it was reported yesterday [19] that it is now the highest-grossing 15-rated film beating The Full Monty (1997) by £0.2m. However that does indicate how arbitrary the record is when you have to qualify by country and rating. Thryduulf (talk) 10:01, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose per PrimeHunter. Let's wait till some film beats Gone with the Wind or Avengers: Endgame. The modifier "R-rated" makes me think this achievement is commonplace and to be expected as the world becomes less prudish. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 11:09, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose – Inappropriate destination. Of doubtful significance. – Sca (talk) 13:20, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose. Even if The GlittFather had got "a six-figure sum" in royalties for being the co-writer of "Rock and Roll Part 2". Martinevans123 (talk) 13:43, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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November 7

Portal:Current events/2019 November 7

November 7, 2019 (2019-11-07) (Thursday) edit history watch Disasters and accidents A Cirrus SR22 crashes into a house in Upland, California, killing the pilot. (Los Angeles Times) Law and crime LGBT rights in Malaysia Five Malaysian men are sentenced to six months in jail, fined, and caned for "attempting gay sex". (Reuters) The International Criminal Court sentences Bosco Ntaganda to 30 years in prison for war crimes as leader of the National Congress for the Defence of the People which operated in the Democratic Republic of the Congo. (Al Jazeera) 2019 Bolivian protests The mayor of MAS party, is attacked by opposition protesters who dragged her through the streets barefoot, covered her in red paint and forcibly cut her hair. (BBC News) Limbert Guzman, a 20-year-old student, is killed following clashes between supporters and opponents of Bolivian President Evo Morales. (Voice of America) Politics and elections 2019 Mauritian general election Citizens of Mauritius cast their vote in the country's latest parliamentary election. Militant Socialist Movement, led by incumbent Prime Minister Pravind Jugnauth wins a huge majority securing the re-election. (Foreign Brief) (The New York Times) (Reuters)

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(Posted) RD: Nabaneeta Dev Sen

Article: Nabaneeta Dev Sen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): India Today
Credits:

• Nominated by DBigXray (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Nizil Shah (talk · give credit) and RebeccaGreen (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see

WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: C Class article with excellent sourcing DBigXrayᗙ 16:22, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

• Comment: Could use some mild copyediting and some parts of her Career/Literary Career sections are unreferenced. Spencer^T•C 16:43, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose terrifying bullet-point article with many uncited claims. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 21:19, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak support. Referencing & formatting concerns have been addressed, though there are still some paragraphs uncited. LefcentrerightTalk (plz ping) 10:07, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment There is quite a lot of unsourced information - I am searching for and adding sources. RebeccaGreen (talk) 11:12, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support – She seems quite a significant literary figure. Article has been ausgemistet. – Sca (talk) 13:41, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support – Marked ready. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 07:27, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Article now represents her achievements and has adequate sourcing. RebeccaGreen (talk) 08:15, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted Kees08 (Talk) 16:38, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Margarita Salas

Article: Margarita Salas (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): El País
Credits:

• Nominated by Alsoriano97 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by RebeccaGreen (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see

WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Salas has been one of the greatest and very awarded Spanish scientists, as she had a key role in DNA investigations. Alsoriano97 (talk) 10:44, 7 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

• Oppose - citations needed for her awards ~mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 12:44, 7 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Thanks @RebeccaGreen:! Everything seems to be sourced now, so changing to support ~mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 17:40, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose not even close. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 09:24, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose. Citations are needed. LefcentrerightTalk (plz ping) 12:19, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support. Article looks good. LefcentrerightTalk (plz ping) 07:56, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose - ping me when improved.BabbaQ (talk) 14:28, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I am adding citations; there is also other information which could be added (honorary doctorates, editor of scientific journals, etc). I will ping others when I think it's ready. RebeccaGreen (talk) 14:38, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support @The Rambling Man, Lefcentreright, and BabbaQ: All content is now sourced, and her professional career is more fully covered. The article could be improved and expanded, but I think it is adequate now for RD. Please ping me if you still have concerns. RebeccaGreen (talk) 04:40, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support – Let's post. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 08:11, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted. Thryduulf (talk) 10:04, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

November 6

Portal:Current events/2019 November 6

November 6, 2019 (2019-11-06) (Wednesday) edit history watch Armed conflicts and attacks Terrorism in Tajikistan Twenty gunmen open fire around a border checkpoint between Tajikistan and Uzbekistan, killing a border guard and a policeman. Fifteen assailants are killed and five others captured. (Al Jazeera) A knife-wielding man launched a random assault wounding eight people, including four foreign tourists and four locals, before being arrested in Jerash, Jordan. A Mexican tourist and a Jordanian tour guide are seriously injured. Among the injured there is a bus driver stabbed while trying to stop the assailant from entering a cafeteria full of tourists. (BBC News) Allied Democratic Forces insurgency Ten civilians are killed by DR Congo. (France 24) Insurgency in the Maghreb Thirty-seven people are dead and 60 others are injured after gunmen attack a Canadian gold mining company convoy on a road in Burkina Faso. (BBC News) France announces it will send ground troops to three border areas in Burkina Faso. (Al Jazeera) 2019 Yala attack Gunmen kill 15 people and injure five at a security checkpoint in Yala Province, Thailand. The attack is the most deadly in years. (Reuters) (Bangkok Post) 2019 Hong Kong protests Hong Kong pro-government politician Junius Ho and his assistant are hospitalized after being stabbed by a man pretending to be a supporter. The perpetrator is arrested. (BBC News) (CNN) (South China Morning Post) LeBarón family massacre A suspect has been arrested for the mass shooting in Sonora, Mexico. (USA Today) 2019 Iraqi protests At least three people are killed, and a further 17 wounded, when security forces fire at protestors trying to block a bridge in the military was banned from using live rounds. (Al Jazeera) Business and economy Facebook–Cambridge Analytica data scandal A court filing by California Attorney General Xavier Becerra reveals for the first time that the state launched an 18-month investigation into Facebook’s privacy issues in response to the Cambridge Analytica scandal. The filing accuses the company of refusing to cooperate with investigators, and asks the court to require them to turn over information regarding third-party access to data and changes in privacy settings. (Reuters) International relations Israel–Jordan relations Israel releases two Jordanian citizens it held in detention since August, after the Jordanian government successfully negotiated for their release on Monday. (Al Jazeera) Nuclear program of Iran French media reports that Iranian nuclear scientists began injecting uranium into centrifuges in the presence of International Atomic Energy Agency inspectors at the Fordow Fuel Enrichment Plant. Effectively it turns the plant from a research site into an active nuclear site, in further violation of the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action. (Al Jazeera) Law and crime Dutch police evacuate passengers and crew onboard an Air Europa flight at Amsterdam's Schiphol Airport to investigate reports of a "suspicious situation". The airline later tweets it was a false alarm. (BBC News) (NL Times) 2019 Chilean protests Regional prosecutor for East Santiago Manuel Guerra announces his intentions to investigate 14 police officers for allegedly torturing protestors. (Reuters) Two former Twitter employees are charged for spying on at least 6,000 users on behalf of Saudi Arabia. (BBC News) Politics and elections 2019–20 Lebanese protests Protestors sit-in at numerous government ministries, offices of major utility company Électricité du Liban, and property development sites at Zaitunay Bay in Beirut as protests enter their fourth week. (Al Jazeera) Hundreds of students at schools and universities join the protests. (Al Jazeera)

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(Posted) Danuvius guggenmosi

Article: Danuvius guggenmosi (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Scientists describe a new species of ancient great ape, Danuvius guggenmosi. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ A 11.6 million year old fossil found in Germany is a described as a new great ape species, Danuvius guggenmosi, which was walking upright at least 6 million years earlier than human ancestors did.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Scientists describe a new species of ancient great ape, Danuvius guggenmosi, capable of upright walking.
News source(s): Nature, Newsweek, Der Speigel, NY Times, CBC, The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Brandmeister (talk · give credit)
• Created by Rowan Forest (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Described as capable of upright bipedal walking, challenging "the accepted idea that bipedal walking evolved much later in the ancestors of modern humans". The paper in Nature appeared yesterday. Currently tagged for further development, however. Brandmeister^talk 21:08, 7 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: blurb does not give any hints of notability; should include "leading scientists to believe apes started walking upright X years before previously thought" or something like that.  Nixinova  T / C   23:02, 7 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Obviously encyclopedic topic, and very exciting find! The article is short, but well referenced and gets the information across in an accessible way. Very nice to see something other than political drama and violence for once. I have added an altblurb to address the above comment.130.233.2.47 (talk) 08:35, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• The blurb(s) need work. Altblurb 1 is ready. This lineage may have evolved bipedalism earlier than our lineage, but split from us long before we evolved it. Danuvius guggenmosi made no genetic contribution to us. This discovery does not challenge any aspect of the out of Africa hypothesis, nor the timing of our evolution of any character traits. Abductive (reasoning) 09:19, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose apart from the unreferenced category, there's nothing in the article indicating that the description took place around this time. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 09:31, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Done Brandmeister^talk 10:08, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • Still some citation needed and disambiguations in there. Looks like a tendency to overlink too, but that's not a major factor. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 21:36, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support despite the typical pro-hominid bias at ITNC. Would we be considering this if it were a ceboidea or (god forbid) a tarsier? GreatCaesarsGhost 13:41, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • It depends. Other sizeable mammals got their chance, olinguito was posted in 2013. Brandmeister^talk 16:42, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support I think new major primate species should be covered in ITN, and the first bipedal great ape should be covered also, since for human ancestors, this meant some 30% increase in brain capacity. 205.175.106.108 (talk) 20:51, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support – I wish Madelaine Böhme et al was mentioned by name in prose. I hate how our species articles do not document who first described the species. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 10:37, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted Stephen 23:01, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

November 5

Portal:Current events/2019 November 5

November 5, 2019 (2019-11-05) (Tuesday) edit history watch Armed conflicts and attacks Yemeni Civil War, Yemeni peace process Yemen and the Southern Transitional Council sign a power-sharing deal in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, to put an end to infighting between the two groups in Aden. (Al Jazeera) Mexican Drug War LeBarón family massacre Mormon fundamentalists, including six children, are killed in an ambush by suspected cartel members in Sonora, northern Mexico. (The Independent) Law and crime LGBT rights in the Cook Islands The extended to women as well. Homosexuals face up to seven years of imprisonment on the islands. (Radio New Zealand) Crime in Italy Three firefighters are killed while two others and a policeman are injured after an explosion at an abandoned farm building in Quargnento, Piedmont, Italy. The explosion was caused by two bombs placed in the building. (Fox News) Murder of Ana Kriégel An Irish judge sentences two 15-year-old boys to jail for the 2018 murder of 14-year-old Ana Kriégel in suburban Dublin. The boys were 13-years-old at the time they murdered her and are the youngest people convicted of murder in Ireland. They have not been named due to their age. One boy was sentenced to life in detention to be reviewed after twelve years—he was also sentenced to eight years for sexual assault to run concurrently with the murder sentence. The other boy was sentenced to 15 years in prison, but his sentence will be reviewed after eight years instead of twelve. Her parents said that "justice has been served for Ana", but about the sentences that "forever is not long enough". (RTE News and Current Affairs) (RTE News and Current Affairs2) Impeachment inquiry into Donald Trump United States Ambassador to the European Union, reverses his previous testimony, admitting to a quid pro quo in the withholding of military aid for Ukraine. (The New York Times) Politics and elections 2019 Virginia elections, 2019 Kentucky gubernatorial election Democrats win majorities in both houses of the Senate and House), resulting in Democratic trifecta control of the governorship and General Assembly for the first time since 1993. Democratic Kentucky Attorney General Andy Beshear defeats Republican incumbent Matt Bevin to win the governorship of Kentucky. (Vox) (The Washington Post) (CNN)

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(Closed) Ongoing Removal: Impeachment inquiry against Donald Trump

No consensus for removal --LaserLegs (talk) 19:50, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 

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Ongoing item removal (Post)

Nominator's comments: No mayor events here since last week. I suggest removal at this moment and a potential renomination later. --Tone 12:01, 5 November 2019 (UTC) --Tone 12:01, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

• Support removal so long as we're willing to revisit this when the public testimony starts (subject to quality article updates) --LaserLegs (talk) 12:15, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - I'm a little confused. Did the impeachment inquiry end and I just missed it? WaltCip (talk) 12:20, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support removal as per above - Sherenk1 (talk) 12:22, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose removal updated now --LaserLegs (talk) 16:29, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak oppose this remains in the news, although major events seem slow. Banedon (talk) 12:32, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Remove and add blurb when impeachment happens. Nothing in the interim will be all that important. GreatCaesarsGhost 12:39, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support removal And I suggest that we simply blurb major events if/when they happen. After the Nth "Trump is finished" moment since November 2016, I think we should treat future such moments a little more critically and even-handedly. See:
  Ukrainian corruption conspiracy theory vs. Trump–Ukraine scandal130.233.3.131 (talk) 12:44, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Support Removal per others ~mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 12:47, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support removal nothing to see here at the moment. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 13:42, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose – Again weekends! Just yesterday there was a major development with the release of deposition transcripts. I was just considering how to incorporate that into the article. I object to this repeated attempts to remove this item while U.S. is asleep. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 14:14, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • @
    Coffeeandcrumbs:, @Banedon: if you want this to stay in the box, just update the article. I agree the release of transcripts (and the looming start of public hearings) are noteworthy events -- just update the article and it'll stay in. --LaserLegs (talk) 14:24, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
    ]
    • Will do.  Working. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 14:29, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Done. Two more transcripts are expected to drop today; two of the "three amigos". --- Coffeeandcrumbs 16:22, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose removal There is extensive text in the article covering events of last Wednesday and Thursday, as well as Monday of this week (yesterday). The requirement for keeping something on ongoing is regular updates, which needn't be every single day; given that the news cycle often slows down on weekends (non-working days in the US), it is understandable that there will be a lull on those days. We have extensive, multiple paragraph updates about events of three of the last four weekdays. That's certainly often enough. --Jayron32 17:06, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose per Jayron32 and Coffeeandcrumbs. We need to take a breath and stop with these regular attempts to remove this from ongoing when it's pretty clear this is a major event that will continue to generate news. Short lulls over weekends are to be expected. Seriously, this is the sort of thing that "ongoing" was intended for. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:19, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose. While it may ebb and flow a bit, it is clearly a major recurring news topic, and I don't see any likelihood that this is really going away soon. Seems silly to remove it now only to put it back in a week when open hearings make another burst of news. Dragons flight (talk) 17:25, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose removal per above.--WaltCip (talk) 18:15, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose removal per above. I do not understand the obsession with trying to remove events that are clearly still ongoing, and getting regular updates. Davey2116 (talk) 18:16, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose removal - per Jayron32, Coffeeandcrumbs and Ad Orientem. Since a consensus to remove is unlikely, I suggest closing this. Jusdafax (talk) 18:27, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose per everyone else. The impeachment will likely reach a head around Thanksgiving, and by the end of December, it'll be time to remove it barring something extraordinary. No reason to remove it now. I don't really understand the rush to remove this. -- Rockstonetalk to me! 18:37, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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(Removed) Ongoing Removal: 2019 Turkish offensive into north-eastern Syria

Article: 2019 Turkish offensive into north-eastern Syria (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)

Nominator's comments: Only small changes to the article in the last 5 days. I suggest removal at this moment and a potential renomination later. --Tone 12:01, 5 November 2019 (UTC) --Tone 12:01, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Support removal per nom --LaserLegs (talk) 12:18, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support removal as per above - Sherenk1 (talk) 12:22, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support. Banedon (talk) 12:31, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Remove Always felt more like a blurb to me. GreatCaesarsGhost 12:39, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support removal Although the article has been updated somewhat, the details are very mundane for such an event, and if nominated as stand-alone blurbs, they would surely SNOW.130.233.3.131 (talk) 12:45, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support removal again per others... lots of clean up today! ~mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 12:48, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
•  Done. Bye Bye Bye. --Jayron32 14:39, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Ongoing Removal: 2019 Hong Kong protests

Article was a suitable candidate for removal when nominated, and has since been updated. --LaserLegs (talk) 19:49, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 

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Ongoing item removal (Post)

Nominator's comments: Oldest blurb is from 30 October. Since 31 October (5 days), two pieces of trivial information have been added: a man's ear was bitten off (who is the nihilist here?) and a statement that HK in now in recession. Updates to daughter article indicate that someone has fallen down some stairs fleeing tear gas, 6 (six!) journalists had a sit-in, in addition to other routine protest antics. No one is nominating this for AfD, but can we agree that this event can leave Ongoing? 130.233.3.131 (talk) 07:07, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

• Oppose - in the first weekend of November we already have [20] fights between police and protesters in malls leading to over 70 injuries, and [21] 325 arrests (just added to article). Sources describe [22] a chaotic weekend of protests, and that the protests [23] show no sign of abating. starship.paint (talk) 07:56, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  Content for November in main article expanded to around 200 words. [24] Jayron32 - you requested an expansion. starship.paint (talk) 14:09, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Support removal Per
  WP:ITN "In general, articles are NOT posted to ongoing merely because they are related to events that are still happening". A few lines of prose about a "chaotic weekend" added at the last minute to stave off removal without details about what actually made the weekend chaotic does not make an update. The protests may be "ongoing" but the only time the article gets an update is when someone nominates it for removal. Get it out of the box already. --LaserLegs (talk) 09:37, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]

  Let’s be reasonable,

  List of November 2019 Hong Kong protests has been continually updated, and it has around 1000 words of content. Editors could easily have put that in the parent article, but possibly refrained from doing so to prevent undue weight on the most recent events. starship.paint (talk) 10:15, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

  ]

  Oppose that article too then "Six reporters staged a silent protest at a routine press conference held by the police force." yeah that's not ongoing. --LaserLegs (talk) 11:50, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Support removal unless a more detailed update is made to the above article. The current article has only a sentence or two update about recent events. If and when the article is updated to a more substantial description of recent events, I will change my vote. --Jayron32 11:55, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  Keep. Article expansions are sufficient, article is up to date with regular events related to just about every day of the past several weeks. Checks off all of the ongoing boxes. --Jayron32 14:14, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Support removal as per above - Sherenk1 (talk) 12:22, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose removal this remains very much in the news. Banedon (talk) 12:30, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Remove All of life is "ongoing." The continuation of repetitive and predictable events are not even blurbable. Protesters will protest, the "police" will police them. When and if things escalate, we can bring it back. GreatCaesarsGhost 12:39, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak support removal as it is being updated a bit, but as we move on this ongoing event seems to be becoming the norm for how people spend their weekends in HK ~mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 12:51, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose – (keep) – This persistent political phenomenon remains the No. 1 problem for the world's most populous country, a single-party state – with no end in sight. – Sca (talk) 13:31, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support removal Yes, the event continues to happen, but it is no longer a major story drawing headlines every day, which is what Ongoing is meant for. Long-winded, simmering stories are not good for Ongoing. Should the situation change, we can re-add it, but right now, its like Brexit and Trump Impeachment - we know these are still happening, but not at the top of the news coverage anymore. --Masem (t) 14:13, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support (removal) - The anti-government movement maybe ongoing but the current event is not. Just incidents of thuggery and vandalism at weekends would not make the current event as "ongoing", as far as ITN is concerned. STSC (talk) 14:52, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose - (keep) There is indeed much to add as there are planned future protests, and just a few days ago one protester fell off a buidling and got critically injured. The daughter artice of the page is getting constantly edited as well, with more and more content being added to it. It can be seen that the protest might escalate again. There is always something new to add. For yout information, Hong Kong protests still manage to stay in the news. Therefore, I strongly believe that this article can stay in ITN. Asd34567 (talk) 15:35, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: Constantly being updated, still being one of the biggest crisis ever to have happened in Hong Kong and China. Development of the protests have been extremely volatile and will likely escalate once again if the student falling "some stairs fleeing tear gas" didn't get better from his severe brain injuries. OceanHok (talk) 15:54, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment this is the third time that this story has been a candidate for removal and only saved when someone updated it after being nominated here -- "The purpose of the ongoing section is to maintain a link to a continuously updated" this feels like "punctuated updates" I'm not sure it really qualifies for continued inclusion --LaserLegs (talk) 16:30, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  Dude, again with the "gotcha" comment: Who cares that someone made the article better after it was brought up for removal. We aren't trying to "catch" people doing anything nefarious here. We're trying to make articles better. No one loses because the article was improved when someone brought up the issue here. Maybe you should back off on these objections, and instead congratulate all of the editors who worked diligently to get the article up to standard. What's it to you if the article got better? Isn't that the entire point of this discussion? --Jayron32 17:11, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose removal again, per above. The article is still being adequately updated. Davey2116 (talk) 18:14, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose removal -- it's still an ongoing event. -- Rockstonetalk to me! 18:39, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose removal this is very much still in the news, with new events occurring regularly. This continues to make headlines around the world, so I don't see why we should remove it when people are likely going to be coming here looking for answers about it. --PlasmaTwa2 19:01, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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(Removed) Ongoing Removal: 2019 Chilean protests

Article: 

talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)
Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Oldest blurb is from 30 October. Since 31 October (5 days), no new information has been added to this article. Some amount of NPOV tag warring. 130.233.3.131 (talk) 06:52, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

• Support removal article is stale and not very detailed to begin with --LaserLegs (talk) 09:38, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support removale Even the stuff from last week is miniscule, the most recent substantive information is almost 2 weeks old. It's stale. --Jayron32 11:56, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support removal as per above - Sherenk1 (talk) 12:22, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Remove per nom. GreatCaesarsGhost 12:39, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support removal as few meaningful updates have been made lately ~mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 12:51, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
•  Removed — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:47, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

November 4

Portal:Current events/2019 November 4

November 4, 2019 (2019-11-04) (Monday) edit history watch Armed conflicts and attacks 2019 Iraqi protests At least five people are killed, and up to 30 wounded, when security forces fire live rounds at protestors trying to scale a barricade near Ahrar Bridge in Baghdad. (Al Jazeera) The Iraqi government cuts off internet access in much of the country, including a total blackout in Baghdad, amid continued civil unrest. (Reuters) LeBarón family massacre Gunmen kill 9 American Mexican Mormons in Sonora, northern Mexico. (BBC News) (USA Today) (BBC News) Sinai insurgency Sinai over the month. (Reuters) Nine crew members of a Norwegian ship were kidnapped off the coast of Benin. (BBC News) Disasters and accidents The Niagara Parks Commission says the wreckage of the Niagara Scow, stuck in the rapids above Niagara Falls since 1918 before being moved downstream about 164 feet due to a strong storm, is being monitored as it moves closer to the edge of the falls, but that the scow could be stuck in its new position for "days or years." (Sky News) (CTV News) International relations Iran–United States relations On the 40th anniversary of the Iran hostage crisis, Atomic Energy Organization of Iran chairman Ali Akbar Salehi announces his government has doubled the amount of advanced centrifuges limited by the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, and are working on a prototype that is fifty times faster than those allowed. He blames the United States's withdrawal from the agreement last year for these actions. (Al Jazeera) United States withdrawal from the Paris Agreement The United States notifies the United Nations of its formal withdrawal from the Paris Agreement. (NPR) Japan–South Korea relations South Korean President Shinzō Abe at ASEAN summit in Bangkok. (The Hankyoreh) Law and crime Tax returns of Donald Trump The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit rules that Mazars, a global audit, accounting and consulting group, must turn over eight years of U.S. President Donald Trump's tax returns in its possession to New York County District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr. (Forbes) Impeachment inquiry into Donald Trump The U.S. State Department try to take part in throughout his career, with the exception of the Trump administration. (CNN) Jim Jordan to the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence so that the Republican Party can more effectively challenge the impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump. (Mediaite) Politics and elections 2019 Speaker of the British House of Commons election Members of the UK House of Commons vote to elect a new Speaker of the House, replacing the retiring John Bercow. The Labour Party's Sir Lindsay Hoyle defeats Chris Bryant in the fourth and final ballot. (The Guardian) Politics of Romania The vote of no-confidence. (ABC News) Science and technology Voyager program interstellar space from its Voyager 2 spacecraft. (The Guardian) (Jet Propulsion Laboratory) Sports Hulman & Company, owners of the Indianapolis Motor Speedway and INDYCAR, LLC (including the IndyCar Series), announces its sale to Penske Entertainment Corp., a subsidiary of Penske Corporation, parent company of Team Penske. The transaction is expected to close in January, pending regulator approval and ends 74 years of Hulman-George family ownership of the historic race track. (The Washington Post)

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(Closed) Al Ahed FC

Consensus will not develop. Stephen 05:42, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 

April 25 to win the AFC Cup
Alternative blurb II: ​ In football, Al-Ahed become the first Lebanese side to win an international competition
Alternative blurb III: ​ In football, by winning the AFC Cup, Al-Ahed become the first Lebanese side to win an international competition
News source(s): The AFC.com, Fox Sports Asia, FaLebanon

Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Nehme1499 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Kaiser23 (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: a current event Nehme₁₄₉₉ (talk) 23:16, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose secondary to the top-tier AFC Champions League Stephen 00:06, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose We don't typically post this. – Ammarpad (talk) 04:56, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose. This is a second-tier competition in one of the weakest confederations. Football already gets plenty of coverage in ITN (see
  WP:ITNR); the Copa Libertadores and UEFA Champions League are the only continental club competitions that are worth posting. Modest Genius ^talk 12:07, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]

Ok I won't argue with this, I wasn't aware of

WP:ITNR when posting the nomination. Nehme₁₄₉₉ (talk) 12:32, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

Note, that not being on the ITNR list does not preclude this from being posted - it just means that the nomination should illustrate the impact/importance of the event explicitly. Notable firsts, broken records, etc. can all be used to get a non-ITNR event posted. I don't see any for this particular nomination, but don't let that discourage you from making non-ITNR nominations in the future.130.233.3.131 (talk) 12:51, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I have added a couple of alternative phrases. Nehme₁₄₉₉ (talk) 16:26, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose I dont see the article supporting either blurb II and III, or should it read "the international competition" instead of "an international competition". That aside, I need evidence of coverage from non-sports publications to justify a blurb.—Bagumba (talk) 04:26, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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RD: Gay Byrne

Article: Gay Byrne (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-50289744
Credits:

• Nominated by Kevin McE (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see

WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Enormously important broadcaster in Ireland Kevin McE (talk) 17:11, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

• Oppose too much unreferenced material for a BLP on the main page. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 18:33, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Would be better if a few more refs were added to some sentences, but there seems to be at least one ref per paragraph and 64 overall. Good enough. ~mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 20:57, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  I think you've misread

  WP:V. It's not about how many refs there are per para or how many refs there are in total. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 20:59, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

  ]

  I think that if you are trying to apply BLP to RD then you have missed the point of at least one of those abbreviations.

  What is the material challenged or likely to be challenged that lacks a reliable, published source? Kevin McE (talk) 22:12, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  Please read

  WP:BLP again before trying to be so clever. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 22:45, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

  ]

  I think if you fix the [citation needed] issues then you'll stand a chance of the article being posted. Otherwise, you'll see this fail. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 22:37, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Support come on guys, it's Gaybo. --Lottolads (talk) 03:58, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  @Lottolads: - if you want the article passed - know that the article won't fix itself. starship.paint (talk) 08:25, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment FWIW, the CN tags are justified. The very first one I tried to tackle exposed wrong information in the article.130.233.3.131 (talk) 08:15, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose far too much of the article is uncited. It's already heavily tagged; someone needs to do some research and start placing citations where the cn tags are in order to see this posted. --Jayron32 11:58, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose Still some citation needed tags that need to be sorted before Gay can appear on the front page. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 08:57, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

LeBarón family massacre

Article: 

talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Nine American Mexicans were killed and six were injured after gunmen opened fire on a three cars convoy near the US border. (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times The Washington Post CNN

Credits:

• Nominated by
  talk · give credit
  )
• Created by 11S117 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Hodgdon's secret garden (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Also known a the Sonora massacre, significant coverage. While murders in the Mexican Drug War are common, deaths of American citizens aren't. Victims were members of the LeBarón family and some were burned alive. Impact in the US-Mexico diplomatic relations. 

talk) 23:17, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

• Oppose – It is usually very clear when a shooting or killing event rises to ITN-level. It receives wall-to-wall coverage. I am not seeing that here. Clearly notable enough for an article but not for ITN. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 12:55, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

November 3

Portal:Current events/2019 November 3

November 3, 2019 (2019-11-03) (Sunday) edit history watch Armed conflicts and attacks 2019 Ethiopian clashes The death toll of recent clashes in the Oromia Region of Ethiopia rises to 86. (Reuters) 2019 Hong Kong protests Four people are injured at a mall as a knife-wielding man attacks a crowd in Hong Kong. The suspect, a pro-Beijing Mandarin speaker, is subdued and arrested by police. (BBC News) War in Afghanistan (2001–2021) At least nine Afghan security forces are killed in clashes with Taliban forces in northeastern Afghanistan. (WION) Business and economy Saudi Vision 2030 Riyadh stock exchange, with shares totalling up to two percent of the firm's worth made available at its IPO launch. Valued at US$1.2 trillion, the company is being partially privatized to reduce the kingdom's economic dependence on oil. (BBC News) McDonald's CEO Steve Easterbrook is fired for having a relationship with an employee. Current company president Chris Kempczinski immediately assumes his position. (BBC News) Disasters and accidents Thirty-three people are injured, four critically, when a FlixBus overturns at an exit near Amiens, France. (BBC News) Politics and elections 2019 Venezuelan presidential crisis Following similar measures by Argentina last month, the government of El Salvador expels diplomats of the government of Venezuela led by Nicolás Maduro. (BBC News) 2019 Iraqi protests Protestors storm the Iranian consulate in Karbala, where they set fires around the building and replaced the Iranian flag with an Iraqi one. (Al Jazeera) Sports 2019 FIA Formula One World Championship Lewis Hamilton wins his sixth Driver's Championship title at the 2019 United States Grand Prix. (Motor Authority)

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(Posted) RD: Yvette Lundy

Article: Yvette Lundy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian [25], Le Monde [26], France Bleu [27]
Credits:

• Nominated by RebeccaGreen (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see

WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Member of French resistance, concentration camp survivor and testifier, recipient of the Legion of Honour, died aged 103. RebeccaGreen (talk) 09:57, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

• Support – Looks good to me. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 10:55, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support updated and well referenced --DannyS712 (talk) 18:23, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted. Thryduulf (talk) 19:06, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

2019 New York City Marathon

Articles: Geoffrey Kamworor (talk · history · tag) and Joyciline Jepkosgei (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Geoffrey Kamworor and Joyciline Jepkosgei, both of Kenya, win the men's and women's races of the 2019 New York City Marathon, respectively. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ At the New York City Marathon, Kenyans Geoffrey Kamworor and Joyciline Jepkosgei (pictured) win the men's and women's foot races, respectively.
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Mike gigs (talk · give credit)
• Updated by mike_gigs (talk · give credit)

One or both nominated events are listed on

WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Both winners articles look alright. Topic is ITN/R ~mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 13:08, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

Comment The 2019 race should be the bold link, not the winners. Added alt blurb patterned after 2019 Boston Marathon.—Bagumba (talk) 15:34, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose until the 2019 race article has some prose, regardless of what article(s) get bolded. Thryduulf (talk) 15:51, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose minor urban event. ——SN54129 15:53, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  We'll disregard this

  WP:POINTY oppose. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:03, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

  ]

  • @Muboshgu: Please do not be rude. York is a beautiful city, and of regional importance, but its marathon is no way suitable for ITN. London, yes, but because it's national: all others are merely provincial. ——SN54129 16:41, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    So you're either making a POINT or exhibiting a legitimate CIR issue? – Muboshgu (talk) 16:52, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

    @Serial Number 54129: this race is one of 6 World Marathon Majors. starship.paint (talk) 08:21, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  @

  bad faith (see above) deserve neither my time nor an apology. Thanks for the heads up though. ——SN54129 11:55, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

  ]

• Comment: Item is ITN/R and if other major city marathons get posted, so should this one. --Trans-Neptunian object (talk) 15:58, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • @
    WP:ITN/R so there is already consensus that it is significant enough to post, meaning both your comments are irrelevant. The only items for discussion are whether the articles are of sufficient quality and what the blurb should be. Thryduulf (talk) 16:02, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
    ]

  Trans-Neptunian object, this one will be posted if the article quality is of a certain standard. This one is a microstub with a couple small tables. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:04, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Thryduulf my comment was a reply to the one above it. Sorry if I didn't make that clear, at least to some. --Trans-Neptunian object (talk) 20:39, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose worst article I've seen nominated at ITN for a loooonnnngg time. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 18:34, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose That article needs a lot of work. Kingsif (talk) 18:49, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose. Wow that article is awful. It's not even a stub, more like a placeholder. Modest Genius ^talk 19:57, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  Honestly, I don't think it's that bad. It has the core bits of information that 90% of readers will be looking for: who won, where they're from, what times. Let's be realistic about how people use Wikipedia. Unless something truly unusual happened, most people aren't going to sit down for an extended reading session. (I assume we're talking about 2019 New York City Marathon.) Zagalejo^^^ 20:59, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • That defeats the whole purpose of ITN.  
    C  04:31, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
    ]

• Strong oppose alt. Article contains a total of three sentences giving no more information than in this blurb, has formatting issues, and only 1 RS. It is in no state to go on to the main page. Neutral on blurb1.  
  C  04:31, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Oppose (Main article's permalink). There's really an attempt at article there and now we have skeletal tables to help in writing the article proper. I will review it again when it reaches stub level. – Ammarpad (talk) 04:50, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose 37 words of prose in three sentences is not an article. This needs a massive expansion if anyone wants to see it on the main page. --Jayron32 11:59, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment For reference, the 2019 Boston Marathon got posted and didn't need an overwhelming amount of prose, for any who might want to expand. I'm guessing that the 1500 min prose size that DYK uses would suffice.—Bagumba (talk) 12:26, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2019 Formula One World Championship

No consensus to post at this time. Stephen 22:54, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: 2019 Formula One World Championship (talk · history · tag) and Lewis Hamilton (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Lewis Hamilton wins the 2019 Formula One World Championship at the 2019 United States Grand Prix. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In Formula One, Lewis Hamilton wins the World Championship while Mercedes wins the Constructors' Championship.
News source(s): Official website Autosport
Credits:

• Nominated by Jaclar0529 (talk · give credit)
• Created by Prisonermonkeys (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Mateka9911 (talk · give credit), Ar558a (talk · give credit) and Gorrrillla5 (talk · give credit)

One or both nominated events are listed on

WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Pretty noteworthy since this is Lewis's 6th title, which puts him one title behind Schumacher's record. jaclar0529 (talk) 10:44, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

• Comment I didn't read all of Lewis Hamilton but the 2019 season has a one sentence update. 2019 Formula One World Championship tagged and missing refs. 2019 United States Grand Prix no prose. Needs work. --LaserLegs (talk) 12:40, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  The ITNR instructions say we should be featuring the winner of the Championship (Hamilton) and the winner of the Constructors' (Mercedes), so the altblurb is what should be given your consideration. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 12:53, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  Shouldn't Mercedes's WCC win have been a separate INT post since they won it at the previous race? jaclar0529 (talk) 13:16, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Wait. There are still two more races left in the season, and ITNR is for the conclusion of the series. Although Hamilton and Mercedes now have unassailable leads, the other positions have not yet been settled. We should wait for the final race; that time could also be used to improve the articles. Modest Genius ^talk 15:03, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Wait per Modest Genius. We
  don't know what (if anything) significant will happen in the last two races - it's not impossible that Hamilton or Mercedes will be disqualified from the championship, someone suffer a career-ending injury (or worse), etc. Thryduulf (talk) 15:56, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]

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(Posted) RD: Ren Xuefeng

Article: Ren Xuefeng (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Radio Free Asia
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Zanhe (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see

WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Death announced this day. The actual date of death has not been disclosed yet. Zanhe (talk) 22:40, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

• Support - He was picked to replace the negotiator for China-US trade talks [28]. STSC (talk) 05:27, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support good to go as with almost all of Zanhe's nominations. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 11:05, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted. Thryduulf (talk) 15:59, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Gert Boyle

Article: Gert Boyle (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): oregonlive.com
Credits:

• Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see

WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: She led Columbia Sportswear, article looks decent to me. Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:35, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

• Support - Seems fine to me. No referecing issues.--
  talk) 22:05, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Support - article is well referenced. -Zanhe (talk) 06:41, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted Kees08 (Talk) 07:24, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

November 2

Portal:Current events/2019 November 2

November 2, 2019 (2019-11-02) (Saturday) edit history watch Armed conflicts and attacks Syrian Civil War A Turkish border. It kills 13 people and wounds more than 30 others, mostly civilians. (Reuters) War in Afghanistan A bomb blast kills nine children, aged seven to ten, who were on their way to school in Takhar Province. (BBC News) Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant Turkish Interior Minister Süleyman Soylu announces that ISIL prisoners will be sent back to their home countries. (Reuters) ISIL claims responsibility for the attack in Mali on 1 November that killed 54. (NBC News) Abu Ibrahim al-Hashimi al-Qurayshi. (Voice of America) Illegal militant loggers in the Amazon rainforest shoot dead an indigenous activist named Paulo Paulino Guajajara and wounds another. (Reuters) Business and economy The hydraulic fracturing, also known as "fracking", a technique for the recovery of oil or gas reserves. (Reuters) Politics and elections 2019 Hong Kong protests Protestors vandalize numerous businesses, such as HSBC and the offices of Xinhua News Agency, and set fire to the entrance of numerous metro stations after police violently clashed with protestors earlier in the day. (Reuters) 2019 Iraqi protests Thousands of protestors block the roads leading to Umm Qasr Port near Basra, demanding the end to foreign influence in the country. The blockades were set up after security forces clashed with protestors earlier. (Al Jazeera) Science and technology A shipwreck stuck at Niagara Falls moves for the first time in 101 years due to high winds and heavy rains. (MSN) Sports 2019 Rugby World Cup South Africa defeat England 32–12 to be crowned World Champions for the third time. (NBC Sports)

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RD: Marie Laforêt

Article: Marie Laforêt (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): RFI, Swiss Info
Credits:

• Nominated by
  talk · give credit
  )

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see

talk) 22:07, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

• Oppose for now, needs many citations Kees08 (Talk) 07:19, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose mostly unreferenced. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 11:06, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Walter Mercado

Template:ITN candidate

• Support. Article is sourced and well-written. Morgan695 (talk) 18:34, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support - sourced and good to go.BabbaQ (talk) 21:40, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Don't we require that the Work section is fully cited? There are a couple of other uncited statements in the article as well. Kees08 (Talk) 00:19, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes we do (require works to be sourced). If a single source can cover them all, great, but otherwise we need a ref for each work, or something akin to an ISBN for books to validate they exist. --Masem (t) 00:25, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • talk) 01:52, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
      ]
      • I spy three more unsourced passages. The bit on his website seems real promotional too, and is cited to his website, pretty much the definition of promo. Sorry if I am being too hard on this, if any other admin feels it is ready to promote feel free. I am on the conservative side of promoting currently since I am a new admin. Thanks for understanding. Kees08 (Talk) 07:17, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Works section is now referenced, Spanish sources accepted AGF. Hrodvarsson (talk) 04:01, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support good to go. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 11:44, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
•  Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:14, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Rudy Boesch

Template:ITN candidate

• Support Article is of good length and is well-sourced. 12zaPziP (talk) 17:23, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Was surprised to see a well-documented article here and not solely focused on the Survivor-related stuff. --Masem (t) 20:44, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Posted Unusually solid article. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:23, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Thuliswa Nkabinde-Khawe

Template:ITN candidate

• Oppose – Stub-ish article. Can we add a couple more sentences about her career? I also could not verify the birth date and birth place when doing a spot check. We need to add more in-line citations. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 14:17, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Re I have tried to do a little bit of improvements. I derived her birth date from her ID number found here. The first six digits are usually the person's birth date (YYMMDD) and in this case, her ID number's first six digits were "730104", meaning she was born on 4 January 1973. She joined the provincial legislature in May 2009 and served as head of a few committees prior to her appointment as an MEC (provincial minister) in May 2019. She was barely in the post for five months before she passed away, so there was not actually time for her to do a lot, but she was married to a very prominent politician in Gauteng, Jacob Khawe. LefcentrerightTalk (plz ping) 17:42, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

Please

cite your sources for birth date and birth place in the article. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 05:02, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

• Support --- Coffeeandcrumbs 11:14, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak support small but alright. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 11:09, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Template:Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:18, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2019 Rugby World Cup

Template:ITN candidate

• Support. Obviously as a South African. The article looks good. LefcentrerightTalk (plz ping) 11:54, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support. It's highly notable and should be included in the ITN news section. Well I also included
  2019 Rugby World Cup Final as second article which was not originally nominated. Abishe (talk) 13:13, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Oppose – I don't see a final match summary anywhere. We usually bold link the final so it might be easier to focus on
  2019 Rugby World Cup Final. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 13:45, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]
  • Support – Ready to post. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 14:32, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose final needs prose. Support when this is done. Kingsif (talk) 13:46, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I am extremely sorry and I removed the link
  2019 Rugby World Cup Final and you can proceed with 2019 Rugby World Cup instead. Abishe (talk) 13:50, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]
  • You did nothing wrong. I and Kingsif would have brought up the Final match summary issue anyway. It does not matter which article we use. We still need a final match summary in prose in order to post. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 14:09, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Question why post the wall of tables minimal prose tournament article instead of the "Final" article? --LaserLegs (talk) 21:01, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Don't know - I've added a blurb pointing to Final article instead, but it has even less on the match than the one line of prose the main article does. Kingsif (talk) 22:11, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• What in the world is Pen, Con and Try? Rugby union is played in less than half of the world's countries don't assume everybody knows what those are. Howard the Duck (talk) 23:13, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Whereas the item currently on the Main page just assumes the whole world plays? They're actually three separate ways to score: Penalty, Try and Conversion. Maybe more links are needed. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:53, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed

Template:U... This world is so Americentric and Wikipedia is no exception. comrade waddie96 ★ (talk) 18:00, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply

]

• Comment it'd be really nice to put Strasburg back into the image (which was removed for absolutely no reason what so ever) before Duane goes in. --LaserLegs (talk) 23:40, 2 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose mention of Man of the Match There is no mention at Wikipedia:In_the_news/Recurring_items#Notes that this is customary, and the lack of a Man of the Match link specific to Rugby World Cup makes me question its significance.—Bagumba (talk) 07:00, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I've added blurb II, which is modelled after the posting from 2015 ("In
  the final)—Bagumba (talk) 07:59, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Oppose the target article(s) say not much more than the blurb(s). The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 11:08, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I expanded the description of the final on 2019 Rugby World Cup. I must distance myself from the comment above that states this article is a "wall of tables with minimal prose". There is clearly prose in every section except "Statistics". – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 14:09, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support alt blurb 2 - This is a no brainer. It is a major sporting title and the article has enough prose and is well sourced. Spiderone 15:02, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Support comrade waddie96 ★ (talk) 17:56, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment – FYI, the
  final article does not have a match summary. If we want to post now, which I think we should, we should only bold link 2019 Rugby World Cup. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 19:38, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Comment - the image isn't yet protected. When the bot has done its job I'll post it with a link to the tournament only. Black Kite (talk) 20:45, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Posted using a combination of Alt2 (per ENGVAR) and Alt1. Black Kite (talk) 20:52, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Question could you put the Strasburg image back in till tomorrow morning since it was bumped for 2 days ... or head over to
  WT:ITN
  and lets get this image swapping habit either codified or killed?

  Really no need. MVP Strasburg had two shots at the main page, that's more than enough for local sports competition. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 21:19, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  Fine, not a hill to die on. I do wish we would just leave the images alone from now on. Cheers TRM. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:15, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  Well FWIW I agree, it all started with the Nobel Prize bonkers behaviour where it was virtually impossible to say who was going to feature next. But someone knew I suppose. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 07:23, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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(Closed) Kincade Fire, 2019 California power shutoffs

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• Oppose California goes up in fire nearly every summer. Here's also numerous fires going on, so as to focus only on one (or one specific site burned) is inappropriate. And we have already rejected the PG&E shutoff before. --Masem (t) 05:25, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I looked through the archives and the only entry for PG&E was not commented on. It was
    Template:U, about two hours before the auto-archive. It's big news here in Cali, but it's more of a temporary disruption than anything for now (and yet power line fires still erupted in numbers...). I'd oppose posting it. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 07:57, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
    ]
• Oppose – The large scale evacuation is the only standout part of this as thankfully the fire has been less destructive than it could have been. As Masem mentioned, it's fire season and something truly exceptional has to happen (such as the concurrent Camp and Woolsey fires last year) for them to reach ITN. The media is great at sensationalizing these fires, especially with public anger toward power companies growing. It's easy to get swept into that media frenzy when, overall, things have been on the quieter side this year up until now. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 07:57, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak Support we post floods during the monsoon season, cyclones during cyclone season, earthquakes in earthquake prone regions - the argument that "California has fires every year therefore we should not post" is not logical unless applied to all regions of the world equally. The PG&E shutoffs are a new thing coming out of the bankruptcy inducing lawsuits after last years fires. Weak only because the articles are no better than the usual disaster stubs that we post but support because of the PG&E angle. --LaserLegs (talk) 09:51, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • However, very few have actually died in these fires, whereas we post the above disasters only when there are numerous deaths. --Masem (t) 14:07, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • Ok, great, well if you could just let me know what the
      WP:MINIMUMDEATHS are for a natural disaster in a highly developed first world nation with enforced building codes and high tech emergency management, and again for barely developed nations with unregulated housing in high risk areas, then we'll be all set. This story, BTW, is "In the news" --LaserLegs (talk) 14:44, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
      ]
  • Indeed, such trivial Cali-fires are now like low-count mass shootings in the US, no longer of any real interest. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 14:36, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose minor first world inconvenience. The Rambling Man (Staying alive since 2005!) 11:04, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment – Perhaps if there was demonstrable permanent impact such as environmental damage. The blurbs don't seem to indicate anything more than a temporary inconvenience. Thankfully, California is just too good at evacuating people. Are there any financial figures for damages perhaps? Or number of houses destroyed? These things we can maybe consider posting. Intentional power shut-off and the destruction of a winery does not rise to the level we usually post at ITN. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 11:37, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment – Looks like fires are settling down – evacuation orders lifted. – Sca (talk) 18:40, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose per most of the above. Additionally this has been going on for well over a week and the nomination should be treated as stale. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:38, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose purely on quality. Contrary to the above !votes, this is a significant event which goes much beyond the yearly forest/brush fires. 10% of the population of the world's 6th largest economy are losing power, and not only because of the fires. The
  2019 California power shutoff article has tags though, and these would have to be addressed before it can be posted.130.233.3.131 (talk) 07:30, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Oppose - Wildfires in California are about as unremarkable an occurrence as tropical storms in Florida or monsoons in India. The event would need to be particularly astonishing or catastrophic to distinguish itself. This currently is neither. WaltCip (talk) 12:16, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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