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Redirects for discussion (RfD) is the place where potentially problematic redirects are discussed. Items usually stay listed for a week or so, after which they are deleted, kept, or retargeted.
- If you want to replace an unprotected redirect with an article, do not list it here. Turning redirects into articles is wholly encouraged. Be bold!
- If you want to move a page but a redirect is in the way, do not list it here. For non-controversial cases, requested move.
- If you think a redirect points to the wrong target article, this is a good place to discuss what should be the proper target.
- Redirects should not be deleted just because they have no incoming links. Please do not use this as the only reason to delete a redirect. However, redirects that do have incoming links are sometimes deleted, so that is not a sufficient condition for keeping. (See § When should we delete a redirect? for more information.)
Please do not unilaterally rename or change the target of a redirect while it is under discussion. This adds unnecessary complication to the discussion for participants and closers.
Before listing a redirect for discussion
Please be aware of these general policies, which apply here as elsewhere:
- Wikipedia:Redirect – what redirects are, why they exist, and how they are used.
- Redirects" sections.
- Wikipedia:Deletion policy – how we delete things by consensus.
- Wikipedia:Guide to deletion – guidelines on discussion format and shorthand.
The guiding principles of RfD
- The purpose of a good redirect is to eliminate the possibility that readers will find themselves staring blankly at "Search results 1–10 out of 378" instead of the article they were looking for. If someone could plausibly enter the redirect's name when searching for the target article, it's a good redirect.
- Redirects are cheap. They take up little storage space and use very little bandwidth. It doesn't really hurt things if there are a few of them scattered around. On the flip side, deleting redirects is also cheap because recording the deletion takes up little storage space and uses very little bandwidth. There is no harm in deleting problematic redirects.
- If a good-faith RfD nomination proposes to delete a redirect and has no discussion after at least 7 days, the default result is delete.
- Redirects nominated in contravention of Wikipedia:Redirect will be speedily kept.
- RfD can also serve as a central discussion forum for debates about which page a redirect should target. In cases where retargeting the redirect could be considered controversial, it is advisable to leave a notice on the talk page of the redirect's current target page or the proposed target page to refer readers to the redirect's nomination to allow input and help form consensus for the redirect's target.
- Requests for deletion of redirects from one page's talk page to another's do not need to be listed here. Anyone can remove the redirect by blanking the page. The G6criterion for speedy deletion may be appropriate.
- In discussions, always ask yourself whether or not a redirect would be helpful to the reader.
When should we delete a redirect?
The major reasons why deletion of redirects is harmful are:
- a redirect may contain non-trivial edit history;
- if a redirect is reasonably old (or is the result of moving a page that has been there for quite some time), then it is possible that its deletion will break incoming links (such links coming from older revisions of Wikipedia pages, from edit summaries, from other Wikimedia projects or from elsewhere on the internet, do not show up in "What links here").
Therefore consider the deletion only of either harmful redirects or of recent ones.
Reasons for deleting
You might want to delete a redirect if one or more of the following conditions is met (but note also the exceptions listed below this list):
- The redirect page makes it unreasonably difficult for users to locate similarly named articles via the search engine. For example, if the user searches for "New Articles", and is redirected to a disambiguation page for "Articles", it would take much longer to get to the newly added articles on Wikipedia.
- The redirect might cause confusion. For example, if "Adam B. Smith" was redirected to "Andrew B. Smith", because Andrew was accidentally called Adam in one source, this could cause confusion with the article on Adam Smith, so the redirect should be deleted.
- The redirect is offensive or abusive, such as redirecting "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" to "Joe Bloggs" (unless "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" is legitimately discussed in the article), or "Joe Bloggs" to "Loser". (G3 may apply.) See also § Neutrality of redirects.
- The redirect constitutes self-promotion or spam. (Speedy deletion criterion G11may apply.)
- The redirect makes no sense, such as redirecting "Apple" to "Orange". (Speedy deletion criterion G1may apply.)
- It is a Speedy deletion criterion R2may apply if the target namespace is something other than Category:, Template:, Wikipedia:, Help:, or Portal:.)
- If the redirect is broken, meaning it redirects to an article that does not exist, it can be immediately deleted under speedy deletion criterion G8. You should check that there is not an alternative place it could be appropriately redirected to first and that it has not become broken through vandalism.
- If the redirect is a candidates for speedy deletion criterion R3, if recently created.)
- If the target article needs to be moved to the redirect title, but the redirect has been edited before and has a history of its own, then the title needs to be freed up to make way for the move. If the move is uncontroversial, tag the redirect for round-robin move. If not, take the article to Requested moves.
- If the redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article, and the target article contains virtually no information on the subject.
Reasons for not deleting
However, avoid deleting such redirects if:
- They have a potentially useful page history, or an edit history that should be kept to comply with the licensing requirements for a merge (see Wikipedia:Merge and delete). On the other hand, if the redirect was created by renaming a page with that name, and the page history just mentions the renaming, and for one of the reasons above you want to delete the page, copy the page history to the Talk page of the article it redirects to. The act of renaming is useful page history, and even more so if there has been discussion on the page name.
- They would aid duplicate articles less likely, whether by redirecting a plural to a singular, by redirecting a frequent misspelling to a correct spelling, by redirecting a misnomer to a correct term, by redirecting to a synonym, etc. In other words, redirects with no incoming links are not candidates for deletion on those grounds because they are of benefit to the browsing user. Some extra vigilance by editors will be required to minimize the occurrence of those frequent misspellings in the article texts because the linkified misspellings will not appear as broken links; consider tagging the redirect with the {{R from misspelling}} template to assist editors in monitoring these misspellings.
- They aid searches on certain terms. For example, users who might see the "Keystone State" mentioned somewhere but do not know what that refers to will be able to find out at the Pennsylvania(target) article.
- Deleting redirects runs the risk of breaking incoming or internal links. For example, redirects resulting from page moves should not normally be deleted without good reason. Links that have existed for a significant length of time, including WolVes) and old subpage links, should be left alone in case there are any existing links on external pages pointing to them. See also Wikipedia:Link rot § Link rot on non-Wikimedia sites.
- Someone finds them useful. Hint: If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do. You might not find it useful—this is not because the other person is being untruthful, but because you browse Wikipedia in different ways. Evidence of usage can be gauged by using the wikishark or pageviews tool on the redirect to see the number of views it gets.
- The redirect is to a closely related word form, such as a plural form to a singular form.
Neutrality of redirects
Just as article titles using non-neutral language
{{R from non-neutral name
Non-neutral redirects are commonly created for three reasons:
- Articles that are created using non-neutral titles are routinely moved to a new neutral title, which leaves behind the old non-neutral title as a working redirect (e.g. Climategate → Climatic Research Unit email controversy).
- Articles created as POV forks may be deleted and replaced by a redirect pointing towards the article from which the fork originated (e.g. Barack Obama Muslim rumor → deleted and now redirected to Barack Obama religion conspiracy theories).
- The subject matter of articles may be represented by some sources outside Wikipedia in non-neutral terms. Such terms are generally avoided in Wikipedia article titles, per the neutral point of view policy. For instance the non-neutral expression "Attorneygate" is used to redirect to the neutrally titled Dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy. The article in question has never used that title, but the redirect was created to provide an alternative means of reaching it because a number of press reports use the term.
The exceptions to this rule would be redirects that are not
Closing notes
- Details at Administrator instructions for RfD
Nominations should remain open, per policy, about a week before they are closed, unless they meet the general criteria for speedy deletion, the criteria for speedy deletion of a redirect, or are not valid redirect discussion requests (e.g. are actually move requests).
How to list a redirect for discussion
STEP I. | Tag the redirect(s).
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STEP II. | List the entry on RfD.
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STEP III. | Notify users.
It is generally considered good practice to notify the creator and main contributors of the redirect(s) that you nominate. may be placed on the creator/main contributors' user talk page to provide notice of the discussion. Please replace RedirectName with the name of the respective creator/main contributors' redirect and use an edit summary such as: Notice of redirect discussion at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion]]
Notices about the RfD discussion may also be left on relevant talk pages. |
- Please consider using What links here to locate other redirects that may be related to the one you are nominating. After going to the redirect target page and selecting "What links here" in the toolbox on the left side of your computer screen, select both "Hide transclusions" and "Hide links" filters to display the redirects to the redirect target page.
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Current list
March 19
Thalassic (album)
- Thalassic (album) → Ensiferum#Discography (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Needless disambiguation, let alone the wrong target. The
2023 Mother's Day photograph by Catherine, Princess of Wales
- 2023 Mother's Day photograph by Catherine, Princess of Wales → Where is Kate?#Mother's Day photograph (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Suggesting Delete as an implausible search term. The photograph was taken in 2024, not 2023, and is of, not by, Catherine, Princess of Wales. The redirect was likely created as a result of an editor's !vote to rename Where is Kate? to the redirect in the AfD discussion, evidently mistaking the year and preposition. IgnatiusofLondon (he/him • ☎️) 01:28, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: wrong year smh my head 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 02:08, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
DFTS
Rarely, if ever, referred to that way. Googling, the most common topic is Defense Freight Transportation Services which we don't have an article about, and I don't see any use of this abbreviation elsewhere Wikipedia. Could be a typo of DFTD, since they're one off on a QWERTY keyboard, but I don't think it's worth keeping a typo of an abbreviation. Rusalkii (talk) 01:21, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig. This is used for the Durand Football Tournament Society (which organises the Durand Cup) and Defence Fixed Telecommunications Service (mentioned at Defense Switched Network). The connection here is as the plural of DFT (Devil facial tumour), DFTs is most commonly used on Wikipedia in the meaning discrete Fourier transform (usually as "DFTs") but also New Zealand DFT class locomotives. Thryduulf (talk) 03:02, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
Lumbersexual
- Lumbersexual → Lumberjack#Lumbersexual aesthetic (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Currently points to a busted anchor, not sure where to redirect it to maybe Hipster (contemporary subculture) or 2010s_in_fashion —blindlynx 00:36, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Lumberjack#Lumberjack fashion, which seems to be the new name of the original section. Rusalkii (talk) 01:22, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- Just redirect to Lumberjack#Lumberjack_fashion ---Another Believer (Talk) 01:24, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
March 18
List of 2025 Indian Premier League personnel changes
- List of 2025 Indian Premier League personnel changes → Indian Premier League (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Delete. We don't even have an article about the season yet (2025 Indian Premier League is a redirect to the main article), so this is definitely too soon. Thryduulf (talk) 02:23, 19 March 2024 (UTC)]
Geydar Ilkhamovich Aliyev
- Geydar Ilkhamovich Aliyev → Heydar Aliyev Jr. (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Was at this title for about a day. This is a Russianization of the name which as far as I can tell is not used anywhere; Google gives zero hits for this form. I have been able to find one instance of "Heydar Ilkhamovich", used by a commenter on a newspaper article. Rusalkii (talk) 23:32, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
England Island
- England Island → Great Britain (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned in page, Google results seem to be for a mix of New England Island and various other islands in England, not the island of Great Britain. Rusalkii (talk) 22:31, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Perhaps this could be redirected to List of islands of England which includes New England Island, though this reads more like a search term and likely can be handled as such (i.e. delete). ― Synpath 00:57, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to List of islands of England, which is the most helpful we can be to readers and far more helpful than search results. Thryduulf (talk) 02:26, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
Meeting the of the heads of state of German-speaking countries
- Meeting the of the heads of state of German-speaking countries → Meeting of the heads of state of German-speaking countries (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Meeting of the the heads of state of German-speaking countries → Meeting of the heads of state of German-speaking countries (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Extra "the" in unlikely places. Rusalkii (talk) 21:48, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
Next Azorean regional election
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Was at this title for a while, so I am somewhat reluctant to recommend deletion, but it'll be confusing as soon as the election takes place. There isn't an obvious umbrella/disambig page for Azorean elections. Rusalkii (talk) 21:22, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- ]
- Retarget to Legislative Assembly of the Azores as that will inform people searching when the next election is planned as soon as we have information on it. Targeting next election redirects to articles about the relevant legislative body or elections in the relevant country/region is somewhat standard practice, and in this case we don't have an article about Elections in the Azores/Azorean elections that I can find, and Template:Azorean elections has no information about the next election. Elections in Portugal#Autonomous Regions elections has three sentences of prose covering elections in the Azores and Madeira, which makes no mention of the next election, and a link to the unhelpful template. Thryduulf (talk) 02:35, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
Cognitive Brain Research Unit
- Cognitive Brain Research Unit → Risto Näätänen (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The Cognitive Brain Research Unit is a unit at the University of Helsinki. The current target is the unit's founder, who also directed it from 1991-2006. Not much is said about the unit at the current target, so I'm not sure if it will be satisfactory for people looking for it. However, I don't see it mentioned on University of Helsinki, either. I'm curious what the best target for this could be. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 21:04, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep, I haven't been able to find a mention anywhere else on Wikipedia and a sentence seems better than nothing. Rusalkii (talk) 23:37, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
November (upcoming film)
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The film is no longer upcoming, and nothing links here. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 21:01, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per ]
- Delete per nom; was at this title for two years; despite that doesn't seem to be getting any hits at this point. Rusalkii (talk) 23:39, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above --Lenticel (talk) 00:13, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. This was getting regular hits until mid-late December, but nothing since indicating that it's utility has now ended. Thryduulf (talk) 02:38, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
Type 1 machine gun
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There seem to be several machine guns referred to this way (Type 1 heavy machine gun, Ho-103 machine gun) . I'd disambig the page, but the current redirect target was at this name since 2007 so there's a lot of history, and it gets hundreds of page views a month presumably all looking for the old name. Looking for opinions on whether to keep the current target or disambiguate, especially from someone familiar with this area. Rusalkii (talk) 19:26, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Dabification wouldn't delete the history the way deletion would. Just... edit the page, lol. Especially since the current target should logically show up as one of the DAB page's entries. It'd likely be a good idea, though, to look through the What Links Here page and edit anything specifically looking for the Type 98/Type 1 to point directly there instead of to what's going to be a DAB. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 19:37, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
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Reopening as a separate nomination this time. Again, this shoud be dabified since the name also refers to
Format specifiers
Reopening as a separate nomination this time. Again, this shoud be dabified since the name also refers to
Placeholder (Computing)
- Retarget to the dab section as a {{R from incomplete disambiguation}} per nom. Thryduulf (talk) 19:27, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Move to WP:RDAB situation as "computing" isn't a proper noun. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:15, 18 March 2024 (UTC)]
- Retarget to the dab section as per Thryduulf, then create Placeholder (computing) as a second redirect that also targets to the same dab, both with {{R from incomplete disambiguation}}. I don't see how moving a redirect as per Crouch would be helpful, but if we have the incorrectly capitalized version, it only makes sense to also have the correctly capitalized version. Also, the bigger problem is still the target, not the name of the redirect. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 20:41, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- I agree that the lowercase disambiguator should just be created as well (and mark this one as a {{WP:MOVEREDIRECT (basically don't move a redirect unless it's necessary, and moving this one isn't). "(Computing)" and "(computing)" are equally plausible search terms. Thryduulf (talk) 02:43, 19 March 2024 (UTC)]
- I agree that the lowercase disambiguator should just be created as well (and mark this one as a {{
Lord Cameron (minister)
- Lord Cameron (minister) → David Cameron (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
There is now another Lord Cameron who is a government minister (
- Retarget to Lord Cameron: retargeting makes the most sense (and I guess it's more futureproof as well) 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 16:13, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Talkback) 17:57, 18 March 2024 (UTC)]
- Retarget to Lord Cameron per above --Lenticel (talk) 00:20, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
Live at Montreux 1981
- Live at Montreux 1981 → Mike Oldfield albums discography (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Mike Oldfield is not the only artist to have a release titled "Live at Montreux 1981". Numerous artists have the same titled release including James Brown , Stray Cats, David Sanborn, Maggie Bell and Midnight Flyer, Yellowjackets (band) and more. --Picard's Facepalm • Made It So Engage! • 14:53, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate: could probably disambiguate to the discographies of the artists who have made a release with that title? 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 16:47, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- EDIT changing vote to Redirect to Live at Montreux per User:TubularWorld's comment (makes sense to redirect there, seeing as that disambiguation exists already) 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 18:13, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate or simply redirect to Live at Montreux: as per User:Picard's Facepalm's comments TubularWorld (talk) 17:57, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Live at Montreux as per HotMess and TubularWorld. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 18:42, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget makes more sense to me than DA, as they will track back in 2 clicks to the Live at Montreux article anyhow. --Picard's Facepalm • Made It So Engage! • 18:50, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Live at Montreux per Picard Facepalm and TubularWord, although that page could do with cleanup (particularly sorting into some sort of logical order). Thryduulf (talk) 19:36, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- It's in alphabetical order (based on artist name) 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 01:52, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
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Bay State Savings Bank
- Bay State Savings Bank → Worcester, Massachusetts (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned at target. This is a bank which could potentially be notable. I suggest deletion per
- Delete: per WP:SURPRISE anyway. 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 16:49, 18 March 2024 (UTC)]
- Delete per nom. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:16, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
Shewtambar
- Shewtambar → Śvetāmbara (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Unlikely typo. — kashmīrī TALK 13:10, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. I agree this is an unlikely typo for the article name, however it is a plausible misspelling or typo of "Shwetambara" (one of the alternative spellings listed in the lead). It gets lots of google hits as an exact term, so it may even be a correct alternative spellin/transliteration itself. Thryduulf (talk) 13:14, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep It is trivial to find usage of this spelling: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%22Shewtambar%22&ia=web Why did you even think it is an unlikely typo, @Kashmiri:? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 13:53, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
VOG-L04 11.0.0.170(C792E10R1P3)
- VOG-L04 11.0.0.170(C792E10R1P3) → Huawei P30 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This code is not mentioned at the target article. Apparently is only linked from commons, but its existence is entirely confusing as the only component in this redirect that is present on the page for the phone's model is "VOG" (No 11.0., no C792, etc). The subsequent address, missing space and all, does not seem to be a likely search term or helpful redirect, generally speaking. Utopes (talk / cont) 07:46, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, it's a technical redirect so that the automatically generated links from images taken with my phone on Commons under "software used" work properly. The links work properly for most other phones, but since I use a North American Huawei (pretty rare these days), I wanted the link to work properly as well. Félix An (talk) 08:23, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. I've tagged it as a {{R from file metadata link}}, which explains the benefit of redirects of this nature. Thryduulf (talk) 12:51, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
Burnie board
- Burnie board → Masonite (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- BurnieBoard → Masonite (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
No mention of the word "burnie" at the target article. To that effect, there is only one mention of "burnie board" on Wikipedia, which is in the List of buildings designed by architect John Dalton, as the Burnie Board Residence and Administration Building. Utopes (talk / cont) 06:05, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment the history of the camelcase redirect contains an external link [1] which explains the connection "A 1960s advert for Burnie Board – it appeared in an Australian magazine in 1963. [...] 'Burnie Board' is a type of hardboard or Masonite. The Burnie Paper Mill (1937–2010), Burnie, Tasmania, produced paper, high-grade sawn timber and sheet material like 'Burnie Board'" and multiple other web hits also back up that it was also a type of or similar to masonite, but everything seems to indicate it was a product only or primarily of the 1950s-60s so I would expect most reliable sources to be offline. Thryduulf (talk) 12:58, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as per Thryduulf's findings. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 18:46, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
Link.com
I wanted to test this, and it turns out that "link.com" is a separate website that is built by stripe. Stripe's own domain is "stripe.com" and already exists as a redirect. The target in question makes no mention of "Link" on its own, or "link.com" for that matter. The article does make a passing mention of Stripe's "Payment Link" portal, but having the url as a redirect when this portal is barely present at the article may be confusing. The citation in the Stripe article that discusses the payment link portal, does not mention link.com. Utopes (talk / cont) 06:03, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- It's now briefly mentioned in Stripe, Inc.#Other. 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 18:38, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
Gelovani (disambiguation)
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This page was leftover after I merged its contents to
- Keep:
as the section Notable people with the surname is not large enough for the page to be considered as "performing a disambiguation-like function"
- well, you did copy over the contents of the disambiguation page (which performed the function of disambiguating) over toWP:G14. To be honest, I'd consider reverting Gelovani (disambiguation) back to being a disambiguation page, if House of Gelovani isn't supposed to be treated as a disambiguation page. 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 03:03, 2 March 2024 (UTC)]
- I guess you make a point in the first half of that paragraph; I hadn't thought about that. My thought process was that Gelovani (disambiguation) shouldn't have been a DAB page, it should have been a surname page, so why not just merge it to a section of House of Gelovani since it already lists several people with the name, and since I have seen many examples like that before. Though now that I think about it, I'm not sure that every Gelovani listed is part of the family, so maybe it should be reverted back and changed to a name page. I'll let other editors weigh in. AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 04:28, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
- Well, it's safe to assume that Prince Varlam Gelovani definitely was part of the noble house (being officially recognized with the princely title). Did some digging on some Georgian genealogy/nobility sites It appears that Mikheil Gelovani was a first cousin of Prince Varlam[2], and it also appears that Archil Gelovani might have been Varlam's third cousin once removed[3] (assuming ofc that David Kaikhosrovich Gelovani did in fact have a son called Almaskhan, who might have actually existed according to Geni[4]). However, I can't see anything linking Mirza Gelovani or Sopho Gelovani to the noble house. 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 15:41, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
- I guess you make a point in the first half of that paragraph; I hadn't thought about that. My thought process was that Gelovani (disambiguation) shouldn't have been a DAB page, it should have been a surname page, so why not just merge it to a section of House of Gelovani since it already lists several people with the name, and since I have seen many examples like that before. Though now that I think about it, I'm not sure that every Gelovani listed is part of the family, so maybe it should be reverted back and changed to a name page. I'll let other editors weigh in. AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 04:28, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
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Benjie the Bay State Beagle
- Benjie the Bay State Beagle → Worcester, Massachusetts (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
No shred of a mention of this mascot anywhere at the target page. Utopes (talk / cont) 05:55, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment This appears to be the mascot for a local bank, Talkback) 13:42, 18 March 2024 (UTC)]
- Delete: Redirect fails WP:SURPRISE. 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 16:50, 18 March 2024 (UTC)]
- Delete per nom. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:17, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete created by a CIR blocked user Mach61 04:58, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
Stomp N' Holler
- Stomp N' Holler → Worcester, Massachusetts (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned or alluded to at the target article in any capacity. Utopes (talk / cont) 05:55, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Appears to be a local band. I'm not sure would the band would be notable enough for an article, but, at any rate, this doesn't feel like something that would be mentioned at the target. - Talkback) 13:46, 18 March 2024 (UTC)]
- Delete: Redirect fails WP:REDYES in case the band somehow does achieve notability. 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 16:51, 18 March 2024 (UTC)]
- Delete per nom. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:18, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
Western physical culture
- Western physical culture → Physical culture (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
While it is true that this culture did exist in the west, it is not described as the "western physical culture" anywhere in the article, nor does the article have anything to do with this being a purely western phenomenon besides that it "originated in Germany, US and UK", while also covering the phenomena in Australia. Utopes (talk / cont) 05:49, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- All of the countries you mentioned are considered Western countries. And calling something 'Western' doesn't mean that it has to only be found in the West, rather that its origin or character has some significant basis in the West. However, it is possible to retarget to Western sports if the current target is deemed unsatisfactory. I might also consider developing the redirect into a full article of its own. GreekApple123 (talk) 15:52, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- I have left the redirect 'Western physical culture' in place, but have created an article within that page. My primary vote would be to keep the article that I wrote within the page. GreekApple123 (talk) 17:37, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Article-ify as per GreekApple123. Let's see where they're going with this one! 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 18:50, 18 March 2024 (UTC)]
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Furthermore, it does not seem like strings of characters such as this would be useful or helpful for readers on Wikipedia. This is not a likely search term, and the only information we have at the target list, for this topic, is "yes" (it exists) Utopes (talk / cont) 04:52, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- It feels like this specific emoticon wants to be retargeted to Homer Simpson. It also does not feel like it deserves to be retargeted there. Delete as per nom. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 11:53, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Reading the actual fish would get thrown at me if I added it. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 17:20, 11 March 2024 (UTC)]
- Reading the actual
- Keep. Harmless, unambiguous and mentioned at the target. Thryduulf (talk) 13:27, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, I'll mention that this has now been removed from the target, along with other overly-specific and not particularly applicable examples of pop culture figures. Utopes (talk / cont) 07:29, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- ...Eh, fair enough. Changing my vote back to Delete, then, for the same reason as my first comment on this discussion. Also fair enough, on the deletion of【=◈︿◈=】. At least no fish were involved. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 07:42, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
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Me & Mrs. C
A piece of programming not mentioned at the target, no mention of "me and" or "me &" although there is some loose mentions around Wikipedia of this programming. Not currently suitable as a redirect here though, and it doesn't look like there's any other substantial mentions that could draw a target, from what I'm seeing here. Utopes (talk / cont) 05:41, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. The closest thing to a suitable target I've found is 1986 in American television#Debuting this year but as that's just an entry in a table I don't think that's enough. Thryduulf (talk) 16:04, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
Law 1129
- Law 1129 → Conscription in Cuba#Cuban conscription until 1991 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The number "1129" does not appear anywhere at the target article. Attaching this as a law number, without any context as to what the law that has the number #1129, is currently unhelpful to readers as a confusing redirect. Searching for "Law 1129" reveals many laws with this number, not related to conscription in Cuba. Utopes (talk / cont) 05:29, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
Tenemos
This misspelling of Greek temenos, created as a duplicate article a few minutes before redirection and merger by its author, makes it difficult to find mentions of the Spanish word tenemos 'we have' using search. Such mentions include the Wiktionary page and those in Present tense#Portuguese and Spanish present indicative tense, Spanish conjugation#tener, 'to have (possession)' (and in the lead of that article), and Spanish grammar#Cleft sentences, as well as partial title matches, quotes, and citations in various other articles.
I think the Spanish conjugation article makes the most sense as a target, though {{Wiktionary redirect}} would also make sense. PleaseStand (talk) 08:59, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, for the reasons you mention about difficulty in search. I don't see the need for this redirect. - Dyork (talk) 13:55, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - should absolutely NOT go to a very common verb form in another language. Anyone trying "to find mentions of the Spanish word tenemos 'we have' using search" on Wikipedia is using the wrong website! Johnbod (talk) 15:35, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
- In that case, shouldn't you be voting "keep"? Because this type of spelling error should be fairly common, and readers might be baffled not to find anything when typing it. A temenos is a precinct, especially a sacred precinct, a fanum. It makes sense to have redirects from its likely misspellings, unlike various forms of Spanish verbs. P Aculeius (talk) 13:42, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as a plausible misspelling of temenos. Conjugations of Spanish verbs should not preclude the creation of redirects for likely misspellings in English Wikipedia. P Aculeius (talk) 13:45, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per editor P Aculeius. Just categorized the redirect and left a hatnote about the dicdef. ed. put'er there 11:53, 6 March 2024 (UTC)]
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- Keep per P Aculeius. - Talkback) 13:50, 18 March 2024 (UTC)]
Osborn Corners, Ohio
- Osborn Corners, Ohio → Bath Township, Summit County, Ohio (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
A location by the name of "Osborn Corners" does not seem to pop up at this page, nor any place at all (much less one in Ohio). Utopes (talk / cont) 05:27, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
- There is a Wikidata item for Osborn Corners in this township, Osborn Corners (Q122546244). However, I'm not sure what you mean by "pop up"; that it's not mentioned on the Bath Township page, or something else. Kk.urban (talk) 06:37, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hey man im josh (talk) 18:05, 11 March 2024 (UTC)- Tentative keep. While it's true that Osborn Corners doesn't show up in Wikipedia except for said township, a few google searches do turn up Osborn Corners being a real location in Ohio-- including Google Maps, which notably has a pin for it as a 7 minute drive from its pin for Bath Township. I'd say that redirecting Osborn Corners to where Bath Township is tracks-- what we probably need is a reference to Osborn Corners added to the Bath Township page, not the redirect deleted. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 18:58, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- It should probably be mentioned at the target since as noted it does show up on Google Maps. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:10, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
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Americanas
- Americanas → Lojas Americanas (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
There are 41 different topics named Americana at the disambiguation page, which this retail chain does not happen to be located on. Lojas Americanas is the only title that includes the "plural" version in the title, but it seems to me as if many of the singular pages can also be interpreted as a plural, which could possibly warrant a target-pull. Utopes (talk / cont) 05:20, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. It's clear the nominator has not done a full BEFORE here as every single hit on the first seven pages of my google search (I didn't look further) is related to the current target, which is referred to as just "Americanas" in the article (although this could be more explicit). The article also notes that the brand's website is americanas.com.br and the operating company is "Americanas SA". Thryduulf (talk) 13:05, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Alternatively, I DID search this before, and apparently got vastly different results than you. The Brazilian chain did come up, but "Lojas Americanas" was only the first/third/ninth result for me, and S.A. Americanas was the tenth. The second result was Google Maps, consisting of multiple "Americanas" locations that weren't Lojas. The fourth result was for "Americana Manhasset", the fifth result was "The Americana at Brand (in CA)", the sixth result was Wikipedia page for Americana (culture), the seventh result was for Palm City Americanas (with the s, a sports club), and the eighth result was for Merriam Webster's definition of "Americana".
- Refining the search with just hits for the plural "(Americanas)" did make the results more Brazil-oriented, but not to the extent you described, as there were still other websites sprinkled in such as Palm City's. Wanted to bring it here because at the end of the day this was still the plural form of a disambiguation page with many entries, some of which can be referred to with this title, so it wouldn't hurt to bring it here to seek input. Utopes (talk / cont) 05:10, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as per Thryduulf. I'll be honest, I was about to recommend deletion before I read Thryduulf's comment, went "There's no way, that has to be some sort of Google-grabbing-local-data thing" (despite Thryduulf, upon further investigation, being British according to his user page), before I searched myself and got the exact same result of the first few results being nothing but Lojas Americanas.That said, adding a hatnote to Americana to the target wouldn't be a bad idea. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 18:58, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- From where I'm from, in Brazil, there are stores that are simply titled "Americanas". Brazilians have come to refer to these stores using the term "Americanas" as a shorthand. For example, when talking about where to go shopping, we tend to say, "Let's go to Americanas," without specifically mentioning "Lojas." Cathodography (talk) 19:07, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
Liberal Focus Team
- Liberal Focus Team → Liberal Party (UK) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Liberal Alliance Focus Team → SDP–Liberal Alliance (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
"Focus team" is never mentioned at the target page, and the sparing mentions of "focus" and "team" are not in context of any sort of Focus Team. Utopes (talk / cont) 05:13, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, I've also gone ahead and bundled "Liberal Alliance Focus Team", which has even less mentions of "focus" or "team", i.e. zero mentions in any capacity. Utopes (talk / cont) 05:22, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: The Lib Dems (and their precursors in the Liberals and the SDP-Liberal Alliance) have fielded election candidates under the banners of 'Liberal Focus Team' and 'Liberal Alliance Focus Team', usually in local elections. For example, take a look at the results of the 1986 London Borough Council elections. On a related note, they still stand 'Liberal Democrat Focus Team' candidates in recent local elections across the country. 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 16:36, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I'm gonna just comment since I'm the one who created them but the reason i created the redirects is because it is a distinct description used for dozens of candidates fielded by those parties in the 1970s and 80s TheHaloVeteran2 (talk) 21:52, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
Bimrad metro station
- Bimrad metro station → Surat Metro (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
"Bimrad" is not mentioned at the target article; Bimrad metro is not mentioned anywhere on Wikipedia for that matter. Unhelpful for people that search this term to end up at a page without relevant content. Utopes (talk / cont) 05:01, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and mark as a {{Bhimrad metro station and {{R from misspelling}}. "Bimrad" is a very plausible misspelling of "Bhimrad", which is the name of a station listed in the target article. Thryduulf (talk) 13:09, 18 March 2024 (UTC)]
Sutorius junquilleus
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A species name which used to be, but is no longer mentioned at the target article. Was changed without edit summaries in May 2020 to the title of this redirect; the editor that made these changes was later blocked after repeated warnings for a different situation. These silent changes were later reverted in 2023, due to no discussion of the change to begin with from 2020. The relationship to this name is still unclear, and unhelpful due to no mention. Utopes (talk / cont) 05:00, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Synonym of Neoboletus junquilleus ([5]), which doesn't have an article. As the target explains, junquilleus is similar to, and has been considered a synonym of pseudosulphureus, but is currently regarded as a distinct species. Plantdrew (talk) 15:48, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, in agreement with Plantdrew. From what I see it has a number of synonyms, none of which are the target article. [6] [7] [8] Naming mushroom species and keeping track of those names seems very fraught. ― Synpath 21:31, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
Food street
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- ) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
As noted by the page mover, the term "food street" can be highly ambiguous and exist all over the globe, evidenced from searching "food streets" on Wikipedia. Street food looks like the most suitable term out there, which branches off into Street food of Mumbai, Street food of Chennai, etc, although perhaps there is a difference between this and the multiple food streets, such as Gawalmandi Food Street or VV Puram Food Street, etc. Utopes (talk / cont) 04:53, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose retarget to Street food. Feels very ah... how do I put this, Mad Hatter-y? "You might as well say that 'I see what I eat' is the same thing as 'I eat what I see.'" A 'food street' would be a street where food is sold, while 'street food' is instead food that is sold on the street. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 19:08, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- I just read over the Street food article, and it seems as though it is a mix of describing the food sold on the streets in the top section (street food), and then the next section describes the shops that are on streets that sell food (food streets). In fact, at this point, looks as though this article is not sure which topic it is meant to refer to, and the top section may need rewriting to accommodate both concepts and/or the article may need splitting. Not sure at this point. Steel1943 (talk) 20:27, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Well, if THAT ain't a WP:SURPRISE and a half. I do concur that that article needs a rewrite and/or split, though I'm going to hold my vote where it is for now-- mostly because, while you're correct in that that's where the information is now, it doesn't feel like it should be where the information SHOULD be. (It's a bit like the discussion a while back on Not real, and how I mentioned that the option that seemed most correct would be to redirect it to Real, except that the idea was silly.) 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 20:52, 18 March 2024 (UTC)]
- Well, if THAT ain't a
- I just read over the Street food article, and it seems as though it is a mix of describing the food sold on the streets in the top section (street food), and then the next section describes the shops that are on streets that sell food (food streets). In fact, at this point, looks as though this article is not sure which topic it is meant to refer to, and the top section may need rewriting to accommodate both concepts and/or the article may need splitting. Not sure at this point. Steel1943 (talk) 20:27, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I have added Food Street to the nomination. Steel1943 (talk) 20:17, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Street food since the concept of "food streets" seem to be explained there, though the top/lead section is not too clear regarding explaining that both concepts (food sold on streets, and the streets which the food is found) are present in the article. (The article may need a bit of a rewrite or some splitting into another article, but it seems at the present time, the concept as defined by the redirects is present in Street food.) Steel1943 (talk) 20:27, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
Thermodynamics of nanostructures
- Thermodynamics of nanostructures → Thermal transport in nanostructures (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The redirect should be deleted. The name of the page was an error, it appears that an editor thought that Thermodynamics was short for Thermal dynamics which it is not. The page has been changed to the more appropriate title Thermal transport in nanostructures. The redirect is incorrect, as it is not on thermodynamics, so would take readers in the wrong direction. I cannot find an actual page on thermodynamics in nanostructures, so it should be removed for the moment. Ldm1954 (talk) 04:52, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep for now as an {{R from move}}, unless the phrase clashes with another topic. The article has used the former title for almost ten years and may become hard to find without the redirect. ― Synpath 21:43, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Please note that the old name is misleading -- that should matter most. The science clashes. Ldm1954 (talk) 22:32, 10 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- N.B., the redirect is comparable to having a redirect from
"Star""Satellite" to "Milky Way" -- misleading without rationale. Please check the article content. Ldm1954 (talk) 22:37, 18 March 2024 (UTC)- I'm not sure how misleading the redirect really is. As far as I understand, the physics of thermal transport would be a subset of thermodynamics. If I'm hopelessly wrong there, then sure, it might be harmful enough to delete. Even then, I don't think that this is wholly unreasonable thing to be mistaken about (hence a useful redirect).
- Regardless, deleting the redirect would break several internal links, which are easy to fix, but one should do that ahead of deletion. External links might exist as well, but that's more difficult to assess. I'd say that the redirect should be left alone for a month or three to see if it becomes unused. If that is established then it may make sense to revisit deleting this, but it still seems ]
Security & Privacy
- Security & Privacy → IEEE Security & Privacy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Security and Privacy → IEEE Security & Privacy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Refers to the wrong journal (https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/journal/24756725)
- Note I've combined these two nominations that had identical rationales. Thryduulf (talk) 04:53, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
DhK
- DhK → Dhaka (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- DHk → Dhaka (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Dhk → Dhaka (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Seemingly unlikely for DhK to be more associated with Dhaka than with the DHK disambiguation. As far as I can tell, none of the pages there have a need to capitalize the K at the end. Granted, Dhk is a redirect to Dhaka, and DHk was created at the same time and seems more fine as a double capital in a three letter acronym. But going "capital lowercase capital" feels too specific to warrant one target, and is probably better pointed at the disambig page. Utopes (talk / cont) 04:37, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, as it turns out, the same person made all three so it's not like a long-term consensus, so I'm going to bundle them all here. DHK has a few other options for targeting, even if Dhaka is the biggest article on the page. Utopes (talk / cont) 04:40, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget all to DHK from other capitalisation. 176.33.243.118 (talk) 14:58, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
The Greater War
- The Greater War → World War II (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Is never called the "Greater War" at the target article. All uses of the word "greater" (all two of them) are not (neither) in the context of wars. Without context, this redirect could be seen as subjective and/or confusing. Utopes (talk / cont) 04:26, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Reliable sources all seem to use this term to describe either WWI or conflicts (including WWI) in the first quarter of the 20th century, e.g. 1908-24 [9], 1914-24 [10], 1914-18 [11], 1914-18 [12], 1911-23 [13]. The first of those links is to a series of books (none cover the entire period) that might be notable, but even if it isn't there isn't a single article we have that would be the correct target for all of these meanings. Thryduulf (talk) 04:50, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, I have personally never seen or heard it called this. Slatersteven (talk) 11:27, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. The entire reason we stopped referring to WW1 as the Great War was because WW2 matched it- not exceeded it. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 19:11, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
Abu Sa'idAban ibn Taghlib ibn Rubah al-Kindi
Eomys orientalis
A particular species that is not mentioned at the stub of the genus it points to. Utopes (talk / cont) 03:04, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per ]
- Comment as creator Lenticel, it is not customary for articles to created for individual species of extinct animals, only entire genera. Anonymous 12:48, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for the info. However, I did see some potential references during my GSearch so I thought one can make a stub out of it. --Lenticel (talk) 00:15, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, not mentioned at target. It is not customary to have articles for fossil species, but it also isn't customary to create redirects for them. It would be better to make sure that the list of species in the genus article is up-to-date than to create redirects for species that aren't mentioned in the genus article. Eomys quercyi has some incoming links; Eomys orientalis does not. No other Eomys species have redirects. Plantdrew (talk) 15:55, 18 March 2024 (UTC)]
Idealwise separated
- Idealwise separated → Completion of a ring#Krull topology (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not actually defined at target (but mentioned at Local criterion for flatness). 1234qwer1234qwer4 03:04, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
Yar Chally
- Yar Chally → Naberezhnye Chelny (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Neither "Yar" nor "Chally" are mentioned at the target article. Utopes (talk / cont) 03:01, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep "Yar Chally" is the romanization of the city's Tatar name, Яр Чаллы, which is mentioned in the article. 🤓 WeaponizingArchitecture | scream at me 🤓 03:21, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Ah, interesting. @WeaponizingArchitecture: It could be worthwhile to put the romanization somewhere next to such name to add context for people that click on/use this term, and why it targets the place that it does? If a mention is added I'd be good to withdraw this. ^^ Utopes (talk / cont) 04:05, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- There was one added to the article a while ago next to the IPA transliteration, dunno what happened to it. 🤓 WeaponizingArchitecture | scream at me 🤓 04:59, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Ah, interesting. @WeaponizingArchitecture: It could be worthwhile to put the romanization somewhere next to such name to add context for people that click on/use this term, and why it targets the place that it does? If a mention is added I'd be good to withdraw this. ^^ Utopes (talk / cont) 04:05, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
Adelfia (roman noble)
- Adelfia (roman noble) → Adelphia (Roman noblewoman) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Incorrect spelling, capitalization, and grammar. Was at this page for a few minutes until moved. And come to think of it the page should probably be merged to Sarcophagus of Adelphia, since she's only known from that... Rusalkii (talk) 02:51, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, as the capitalization is wrong and improbable to be searched for; but the spelling is correct—the Latin inscription is the source of the spelling, and if it's misspelled, then people might be expected to search under that spelling. I don't see any issue with the grammar, except insofar as "Roman" should be capitalized; but that's not a separate problem. I haven't looked into merging, but the argument seems reasonable, if the sarcophagus is her source of notability. This isn't the right place to discuss a merger, but you could just be bold and merge them if there's no obvious objection. That should only affect the target of a redirect, but the redirect should be properly capitalized if we're to take it as a plausible search term. P Aculeius (talk) 15:53, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom --Lenticel (talk) 00:16, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
A Bridge of Words
- A Bridge of Words → Hiroaki Sato (translator) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This is a book anthology that does not appear, nor is it ever alluded to at the target translator's article. It's currently linked via a hatnote on the Bridge of Words article as the only incoming link to this redirect. Utopes (talk / cont) 02:47, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
Jonathan Höfler
- Jonathan Höfler → Jonathan Hoefler (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I don't believe this person's name is ever spelled with the "ö", and they're American so this doesn't seem like a likely mistake from a language that does have it. Rusalkii (talk) 02:04, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, my search also confirms this conclusion. The redirect has zero lifetime pageviews as well. Iljhgtn (talk) 02:23, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
Human respect
- Human respect → The Foundation for Harmony and Prosperity (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
For such a broad concept, it seems as if this search term would be for people looking for respect (with respect to humans), i.e. just the contents of Respect. Human respect does not seem more particularly associated with a non-profit in Sacramento than it would be with just, respect in the general sense. Utopes (talk / cont) 01:43, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep/comment, since the redirect/page did not previously exist, and given WP:CHEAP, i did not think there was much of a problem here. I created a new redirect though that uses the exact phrase that is associated with this particular group, "philosophy of human respect" as a new redirect. If that full phrase, which seems predominantly to be used by this group, is preferred, then I suppose we could delete "human respect" by itself. Iljhgtn (talk) 02:20, 18 March 2024 (UTC)]
- I agree with the WP:CHEAP aspect; a useful redirect that exists is always more preferred than a useful redirect that does not exist. Once a useful redirect exists, it'd be a waste to delete it per WP:CHEAP. However, as long as it exists, it's most beneficial to ensure that it leads to the most likely target for that title. "Human respect", in my eyes, seems to be a likely search term. Now that we have it, I feel like the most expectable location for this title would be the page for Respect as a general page for a general term, rather than at the Sacramento non-profit. If "human respect" is strongly correlated with the non-profit as opposed to "respect", a hatnote could be warranted then. Utopes (talk / cont) 02:45, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Interestingly, Google mostly gives results on the Catholic sin of human respect. I don't think we cover it anywhere, but it looks like there are enough sources it may be notable on its own. Rusalkii (talk) 02:54, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- welp, I've mentioned it on Fear of God for the time being (seeing as the two are somewhat related concepts) 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 18:10, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget-- either to Respect as per nom, or to Fear of God as per Rusalkii and HotMess. Don't delete, but don't keep where it is, either. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 19:15, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think that redirecting to WP:SURPRISE. 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 01:48, 19 March 2024 (UTC)]
- I don't think that redirecting to
White International
- White International → White émigré (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The word "International" is not mentioned at the target page. Utopes (talk / cont) 01:07, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, we tripped over each other nominating this one. My original deletion rationale: I don't believe the Russian emigres are commonly referred to in this way. Google gives mostly a couple different similarly named trucking companies which I don't believe we have pages for. This is linked twice, both in the context of a early 20th century political movement which I don't think is closely tied to Russian emigres and would need context on the target page in any case. Rusalkii (talk) 01:10, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as per Utopes and Rusalkii. Has this 'page gets simultaneously nominated by two editors' thing happened before? lol 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 19:16, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
March 17
The Sultanates of Lanao: Guardians of Moro Identity and Independence
- The Sultanates of Lanao: Guardians of Moro Identity and Independence → Confederate States of Lanao (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
"Guardians of Moro Identity and Independence" not remotely mentioned at the target page. This page was essentially a promotional essay with broken citations and copyvio problems that didn't last 10 minutes before getting tagged and later becoming a redirect by Mako001. I don't think there's anything salvageable in the history here, and as a redirect title it does not appear to be likely or suitable besides that. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:59, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
Between Greetings
- Between Greetings → List of programs broadcast by Seoul Broadcasting System (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
A potential program not listed at the list of programs. No mention of "Between Greetings" anywhere on Wikipedia. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:53, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
Revolutionary Spain
- Revolutionary Spain → Spanish Revolution of 1936 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
There are many different Spanish Revolutions described at Spanish Revolution; the term "Revolutionary Spain" only appears once outside of the citations, so it's unclear whether this particular term is associated with just the 1936 revolution, or if it is more generalized. Spain could have been described as in a "revolutionary state" during any of its revolutions. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:46, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per nom. Thryduulf (talk) 04:23, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per nom --Lenticel (talk) 07:22, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not quite familiar with y'all's terminology ("retarget per nom") but I'm okay with redirecting it to the Spanish Revolution disambiguation page instead, makes more sense. AethyrX (talk) 18:54, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
Merger Regulation 2004
- Merger Regulation 2004 → European Union merger law (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The European Union merger law does not seem to be referred to as "merger regulation 2004", as the full title (including 2004) does not appear at the target, although "merger regulation" does. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:42, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
Oz lab
- Oz lab → Australian labour law (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Oz labour → Australian labour law (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The Australian labour law is never referred to as "oz labour" or "oz lab" at the target page. It's unlikely to be searched for using this highly-offhand term. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:36, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
MT25i
"MT25i" not mentioned at the target. The letters "MT" are never said together, and the number "25" is not present anywhere at the page. This may be a model number, but it's unclear how useful of a redirect this is as the title is never mentioned as a synonym. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:23, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- MT25i is the model number of Sony Xperia neo L. S03311251 (talk) 01:41, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep This appears to be a {{]
%d
%d is a format string specifier that is used by both
- Disambiguate in the same fashion as %s ... since two possible targets is greater than none, meaning deletion of the redirect probably is not the solution here. Steel1943 (talk) 00:18, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig per Steel1943. Thryduulf (talk) 04:24, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Dabify per Steel1943. --Lenticel (talk) 05:35, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Nickps (talk) 13:05, 18 March 2024 (UTC)]
Wikipedia:REVERT
- Wikipedia:REVERT → Help:Reverting (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
All other redirects such as
- Comment. This has a very large number of links, we should not retarget this unless we are certain that these links were intended for the WP space page not the Help space page. I've not (yet) looked. Thryduulf (talk) 04:25, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
Nhà Bè River
- Nhà Bè River → Đồng Nai River (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Nha Be River → Đồng Nai River (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned in target. I believe the Dong Nai (apologies for lack for diacritics) flows through Nha Be province, but I can't find any evidence that it is referred to that way. I don't read Vietnamese, so there may be important sources I'm missing. Rusalkii (talk) 20:48, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Also Nha Be River. Is there an automated way to bundle redirects for deletion, or does it need to be done manually? Rusalkii (talk) 20:49, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- I've a couple of times seen people list a bunch of redirects using a tool, then going back to bundle them after the fact manually. I myself have found it far easier to just manually list a bundle instead of trying to use a tool. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 21:06, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Was going to nominate the diacritic-less version when I came across it, so thank you Rusalkii for opening this! The two are now bundled, as requested. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:27, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Given that I was also planning on nomming this, it only makes sense I !vote delete as well. Not mentioned, unclear relationship, not a useful redirect. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:28, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The Vietnamese wikipedia has more info, I've added a mention and source for this to the article in question here. Pieceofmetalwork (talk) 08:01, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
F angels
As far as I can tell, Engels isn't referred to this way anywhere and certainly not in the article. Google search gives a smattering of minor companies, social media accounts, and mistyped biblical references. Rusalkii (talk) 20:38, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, upon further consideration, this should be deleted per Rusalkii's search and the complete lack of this redirect ever being used really. If I may ask @Rusalkii, how did you find this redirect and decide to nominate it for deletion in the first place? Iljhgtn (talk) 20:51, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
Battle of Sangrana
- Battle of Sangrana → Battle of Amritsar (1634) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This event was the casus belli for the Battle of Amritsar. A relatively minor incident, with seemingly minimal casualties, does not need an entire Wikipedia article. We're better off including this article's content as the prelude for the events of the Battle of Amritsar. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 20:38, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Is this a misdirected WP:AFD? This isn't currently an article, just a redirect. The article doesn't currently mention Sangrana, but if it was in fact a prelude to the Battle of Amrisar then a redirect to the section describing the battle of Sangrana within the Battle of Amritsar seems exactly correct. Rusalkii (talk) 20:42, 17 March 2024 (UTC)]
- Note: this was an article until earlier today, when it was WP:BLARed by the nominator, who then brought it here. That appears to have been a misguided action based on a misunderstanding of a suggestion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Battle of Sangrana. - Eureka Lott 01:37, 18 March 2024 (UTC)]
- Restore without prejudice to an AfD or merge discussion. Thryduulf (talk) 04:27, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Restore per Thryduulf. - Talkback) 13:39, 18 March 2024 (UTC)]
- Restore as per Eureka, Thryduulf, and Presidentman. This isn't AfD. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 19:20, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia:YESTRUTH
- Wikipedia:YESTRUTH → User:Sennalen/Prefer truth (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Target essay was userfied due to being contrary to consensus. It hence does not deserve a projectspace shortcut. * Pppery * it has begun... 19:10, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, some essays in userspace may have shortcuts in the Wikipedia space. Take WP:THREE as an example, it is in Wikipedia space, but leads to the userspace of User:RoySmith.]
InTheAstronomy32 (talk) 20:16, 18 March 2024 (UTC)- The distinction there is between essays that (mostly) follow the standard consensus like that one (which I'm actually surprised isn't at Wikipedia:Three best sources) versus essays that were almost deleted at MfD because they openly defy it. * Pppery * it has begun... 21:05, 18 March 2024 (UTC)]
- The distinction there is between essays that (mostly) follow the standard consensus like that one (which I'm actually surprised isn't at
- Delete. Some essays in userspace do have WP space shortcuts, but most don't. It all depends on whether there is consensus that a given essay should have one, and that's based on the essay's individual merits. In this case, I see an essay that far from having broad community support has exactly the opposite. WP shortcuts is sometimes OK for essays that have both broad support and opposition, but not ones that have near unanimous opposition. Thryduulf (talk) 02:21, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete WP shortcuts for acclaimed user pages such as WP:OWB are welcome but shortcuts for pages that are not accepted by the community should be removed to avoid the impression that the page has community endorsement. Johnuniq (talk) 05:19, 19 March 2024 (UTC)]
Sex reassignment therapies
- Sex reassignment therapies → Transgender health care#Gender-affirming care (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The term was already outdated and was replaced by
- Keep. People need to stop nominating redirects for deletion because they're "outdated". Not only is this still a common term, but even if it was no longer used, it should still be kept for its historical use. Kk.urban (talk) 18:56, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- As I said in the nomination - this redirect is unused. There is no purpose in keeping it around as that means someone may use it again in another article instead of using the correct new ]
- Internal links are not the only purpose for redirects. Someone may very well search this term from outside Wikipedia, or there may be external links. Talkback) 23:56, 17 March 2024 (UTC)]
- Internal links are not the only purpose for redirects. Someone may very well search this term from outside Wikipedia, or there may be external links.
- As I said in the nomination - this redirect is unused. There is no purpose in keeping it around as that means someone may use it again in another article instead of using the correct new ]
- Keep Per Kk.urban. * Pppery * it has begun... 19:10, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Per Kk.urban. - Talkback) 19:19, 17 March 2024 (UTC)]
- Keep per Kk.urban. This is literally the sort of thing a redirect is for-- if someone searches for a term that's out of use, and gets redirected to a better term, that's not a bug, that's a feature. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 19:33, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Kk.urban and Lunamann. Thryduulf (talk) 04:33, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
November 9 1989
- November 9 1989 → Fall of the Berlin Wall (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- November 9, 1989 → 9 November in German history (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The redirect of a poorly formatted date to a particular event makes little sense, so
- This date is not simply 'poorly formatted'-- it's Americanly formatted! As the US was one of the two global superpowers pushing a side of the Cold War, one of the major events that marked the end of said conflict having a redirect written in this manner is far from surprising. That said, Retarget to 1989#November, which has not only a link to Fall of the Berlin Wall, but also a note that November 9th was when the 47th government of Turkey was formed. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 04:22, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- American date with month in the first place needs a comma. A proper format would be November 9, 1989. I have no objections against redirecting the correctly spelled November 9, 1989. Викидим (talk) 05:01, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep in mind that these are redirects, not articles. We don't need to worry about what's pretty and perfect when naming a redirect, because not always will the general public type in something that's pretty and perfect. Instead, we need to worry about what's plausible for the general public to type. A dropped comma is perfectly within plausibility. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 05:36, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- American date with month in the first place needs a comma. A proper format would be November 9, 1989. I have no objections against redirecting the correctly spelled November 9, 1989. Викидим (talk) 05:01, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep checking a couple events: we have ]
- Keep as a plausible search term and by far the most significant event to happen on that date. Thryduulf (talk) 12:13, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- Note: November 9, 1989 (with a comma) is currently a redirect to 9 November in German history. If the nominated page is targeted elsewhere as a result of this discussion, the page with the comma should be updated to match. - Eureka Lott 15:44, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Talkback) 17:40, 10 March 2024 (UTC)]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Bundled November 9, 1989.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 08:52, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget both to Fall of the Berlin Wall - 9 November in German history is inferior since the only event on this day it mentions is the fall of the Berlin Wall. * Pppery * it has begun... 19:10, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
Gros Michel foreign names
Eastman Village
- Eastman Village → Harrow, London (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Eastman Village is not mentioned at the target article. The only mention of "Eastman" is in a link to the Kodak article. Utopes (talk / cont) 01:56, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- It seems to be a new housing estate on the site of a Kodak[14]. Maybe it should me covered in the target. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:57, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- The article has "a large industrial premises was built in 1890 by the American Eastman Kodak company in Wealdstone, and by 1965 there were over 100 buildings on a 55-acre site at Kodak Harrow, employing 5,500 people", which I believe is now Eastman Village. I would want a better source than what I have to actually add this to the article, though. Rusalkii (talk) 20:45, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
Western era
- Western era → Modern era (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
"Western era" not mentioned in the target article. The implication of "modern era", "modern history", and "modern times" from the article is that this is happening right now, and equivalent to western in usage. Was created by the creator of Post-Western era; that seems to be a better location to talk about the concept of a "western era", if any suffice. Utopes (talk / cont) 01:55, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Do NOT keep at current location. Referring to the modern era as the 'western era' is... extremely euro-centric??? Heck, with how pervasive Japanese and Chinese culture are right now, you could just as easily call the Modern era the "Eastern era" and be just as correct as if you called it the "Western era". Either delete, or retarget to somewhere else. I'm loathe to target it to Wild west)? 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 03:36, 17 March 2024 (UTC)]
- Retarget or secondarily delete, this is neither common usage nor an equivalence I'd like to see promoted. "Western" doesn't usually seem to imply "wild west" except in fairly narrow American history contexts. Post-western era seems like a good target, since it implictly defines "western era". Westernization would be my second choice but at that point I think it may be better to delete. Rusalkii (talk) 18:42, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Might be a good idea to turn it into a disambiguation page, with the "Wild West era"-related page being one possible redirect. GreekApple123 (talk) 16:15, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
Kansas City shooting
- Kansas City shooting → 2024 Kansas City parade shooting (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This redirect should be deleted mainly because as was said last time, shootings in Kansas City are frequent, including one literally today. The Super Bowl parade shooting IMO should just be merged into
- Comment I understand an RM is underway for this article, but that being said, I feel that that shouldn’t impact this given how this is not a suggested name (I don’t think) and there have been RMs for this article since the day it happened. --134.6.74.198 (talk) 20:40, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep The Talkback) 21:37, 9 March 2024 (UTC)]
- Disambig A very rough search suggests that about half the current google results for "Kansas city shooting" are for the 2024 parade shooting. (Compare a search for "Kansas city shooting" and "Kansas city shooting" -parade -"Super Bowl". This seems suggestive that it's the primary topic, given that the remaining half is divided up between several different topics, but not overwhelming. Other shootings that have pages that might be referred to as such include Shooting of Ralph Yarl, Overland Park Jewish Community Center shooting, and the above-mentioned Kansas City massacre. I would support creating a disambig page and targeting there, but in the absence of such a page this target seems more helpful than deletion. That being said, re-opening discussion so soon after previous discussion closed seems to be in bad form. Rusalkii (talk) 04:42, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- WP:TROUT nom for reopening discussions so soon, then either Keep as per previous discussions, or Dabify as per Rusalkii. (For the record, I'm leaning towards Keep, as it's the result of the previous discussion.) 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 05:21, 10 March 2024 (UTC)]
- Keep as far as I can tell nothing has changed in the last 2 weeks. Thryduulf (talk) 12:23, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete or Dabify as per Rusalkii. This knee-jerk redirect is obviously nonsense, as the nominator said. — Smuckola(talk) 14:51, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Strong dabify. More than one Kansas City shooting. In fact, there've been hundreds of shootings; while we might not have articles for all of the hundreds, the ones we do have articles for still fare pretty highly pageview wise, and regularly contend with 2024 event even with its WP:RECENTISM bonus. [15] Redirecting this umbrella term for one shooting in an entire major city is wholly unhelpful and obscures the other notable shootings that people may have been searching for. Utopes (talk / cont) 00:45, 17 March 2024 (UTC)]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 00:56, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Category:Crime in Kansas City, Missouri (since Category:Shootings in Kansas City, Missouri doesn't exist), following the same principle as disambiguating, as ambiguous with numerous other events. * Pppery * it has begun... 19:10, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Would it really be helpful to send readers looking for encyclopedic content, to an unfamiliar page such as a category? This would be a deviation from the norm of, say, Chicago shooting or Nashville shooting among multiple others. The category can be linked from the hypothetical DAB if it needs to. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:14, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- I oppose this - we have an article on the exact event the significant majority of people are going to be looking for (the current target, yes it's recent but that doesn't mean it's not the primary topic) that has a hatnote to the event most other people are going to be looking for. Retargetting to a category that is much broader and which doesn't help people who don't know that the Kansas City massacre was a shooting is actively unhelpful. Thryduulf (talk) 04:41, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
March 16
Baby Zoomers
- Baby Zoomers → Generation Z (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This article does not ever refer to Gen Z as "Baby Zoomers". While the name "zoomer" is certainly a play on the generation name of Baby Boomers, the incusion of "baby" here is unclear and suggests a baby-related topic, possibly Zoomer babies or young Zoomers, etc. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:48, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. This also seems to be a TV mini series according to GSearch. --Lenticel (talk) 01:22, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Given that zoomers (if meaning Gen Z) aren't babies anymore, this term is both misleading and implausible. Kk.urban (talk) 18:58, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: This Forbes article mentions the term in the way which the creator intended ... the redirect refers to the subject in the target. However, since I'm not sure if this is enough to bypass potential ]
Movimiento antiglobalización
- Movimiento antiglobalización → Anti-globalization movement (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This article is about a movement not necessarily associated with the Spanish language. There doesn't seem to be a need for a Spanish redirect in this case. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:43, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as per WP:RLANG. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 03:38, 17 March 2024 (UTC)]
Kannada Films Databse
- Kannada Films Databse → List of Kannada-language films (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
"Databse" = unlikely misspelling. Steel1943 (talk) 20:34, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:RTYPO. One missing letter IS in the realm of plausibility. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 02:06, 10 March 2024 (UTC)]
- This typo is not any more plausible than the removal of any other single character from the word. It's considerably less plausible than, e.g. Kannada Film Database with film in the singular or Kannad Film Database (Kannad would be a natural typo for Indian English users for reasons having to do with how Indian languages work)— note that these redirects don't exist. Should they all have redirects? That's 20 redirects for a single page. Brusquedandelion (talk) 16:07, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oh hey, look, an opportunity to use my own essay! WP:OTHERSTUFF, and don't actually serve to illustrate what's wrong with the redirect.As for the plausibility argument? ...As I said before, one missing letter IS within the realm of plausibility, no matter where in the redirect it shows up. It's when you get to two spelling mistakes or missing/added letters or the like where the redirect starts to stretch plausibility. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 03:45, 17 March 2024 (UTC)]
- Oh hey, look, an opportunity to use my own essay!
- This typo is not any more plausible than the removal of any other single character from the word. It's considerably less plausible than, e.g. Kannada Film Database with film in the singular or Kannad Film Database (Kannad would be a natural typo for Indian English users for reasons having to do with how Indian languages work)— note that these redirects don't exist. Should they all have redirects? That's 20 redirects for a single page. Brusquedandelion (talk) 16:07, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, insufficiently plausible typo. Brusquedandelion (talk) 16:08, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete, unlikely misspelling and no affinity for missing this vowel in an otherwise common word that isn't prone to typos. Utopes (talk / cont) 00:15, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
Lake Surikiña
- Lake Surikiña → Taypi Chaka Quta (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I don't think Taypi Chaka Quta and Lake Surikiña are the same thing. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 14:00, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
- Tentative keep. Plug "Lake Surikiña" into Google Maps, and you get Taypi Chaka Quta. (Noteably, if you instead plug Surikiña River in-- which is a redlink 'See Also' on the Taypi Chaka Quta page-- you get Rio Surikiña, a river less than 20 miles away from the lake.) Seems to me like a 'two names, one location' thing- which is exactly what a redirect is for. (Although the alternate name should really be discussed in the article. Perhaps if someone can track down where it came from and why?) Lunamann 🌙🌙🌙 The Moooooooniest (talk) 15:42, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete I can't find info about this lake. I even tried Lago Surikiña and still came up with nothing. --Lenticel (talk) 01:26, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
Misspelled metro stations
- Jyotindra Nath Nandi metro station → Kolkata Metro Line 6 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Yuva Bharati Kirangan metro station → Kolkata Metro (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Should have been deleted under
- Retarget Jyotindra Nath Nandi metro station to Talkback) 14:22, 8 March 2024 (UTC)]
- "Yuva Bharati Krirangan" is an alternative name for Salt Lake Stadium, and therefore can be used for Salt Lake Stadium metro station although no one uses it. In both cases though, I do not think it is a plausible misspelling. Search function should be sufficient for such cases. —CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 14:30, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
- "Jyotindra Nath Nandi metro station" seems to get used relatively frequently based on pageviews. Talkback) 13:46, 13 March 2024 (UTC)]
- That is probably because the Template:Kolkata Metro route diagram had the wrong spelling until I fixed it hours before the nomination: [16]. I suspect all of the views came from Kolkata Metro which displays the route diagram. The views are too few to log onto clickstream data though. —CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 19:51, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- "Jyotindra Nath Nandi metro station" seems to get used relatively frequently based on pageviews.
- "Yuva Bharati Krirangan" is an alternative name for Salt Lake Stadium, and therefore can be used for Salt Lake Stadium metro station although no one uses it. In both cases though, I do not think it is a plausible misspelling. Search function should be sufficient for such cases. —CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 14:30, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
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Non-existent metro line and stations in Kolkata
- Bibhuti Bhushan metro station → Kolkata Metro (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Loknath metro station → Kolkata Metro (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Mother Teresa metro station → Kolkata Metro (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Priya Thakur metro station → Kolkata Metro (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Swami Vivekananda metro station → Kolkata Metro (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Sri Ramkrishna metro station → Kolkata Metro Line 1 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Jibananda metro station → Kolkata Metro Line 4 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Maulana Abul Kalam Azad metro station → Kolkata Metro Line 4 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Red Line (Kolkata Metro) → Kolkata Metro Line 4 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Kolkata Metro often uses names of cultural leaders, social workers, and freedom fighters in naming its metro stations. These 8 metro stations, however, neither exist nor would you find any reference about them on the web, except Wikipedia mirror sites. Many of these redirects had started as standalone articles, but they were fully unreferenced. These names were mentioned in the main Kolkata Metro article as far back as 2011 (later removed, but retained in templates), however, the only surviving reference from the time (archived) does not mention these names at all. It is very likely that these names were made up and had not actually been given to these metro stations.
Red Line did not ever exist on Kolkata Metro. Creator was deoablock-ed. —CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 07:06, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
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Messianic Noahides
- Messianic Noahides → Anabaptism (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I am unsure what this group actually believes or if they in fact exist, but search results suggest something similar to Messianic Judaism and certainly not Anabaptism. Rusalkii (talk) 06:54, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment same editor created ]
- Delete I find very few mentions of this phrase through a Talkback) 16:36, 9 March 2024 (UTC)]
- Delete this doesn't seem like an accurate description of Anabaptism, and it's neither a commonly used term nor does it have a clear meaning. Kk.urban (talk) 17:05, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- keep about 2 years ago I started research into Messianic Hebrews because I had also assumed that they were the same as Messianic Jews but it turned out that the Messianic Hebrews denounce Messianic Jews as a "Synagogue of Satan" and instead promote something called "Messianic Noahide Judaism". Upon research into that religion it turns out that it was founded along Anabaptist lines by Baptist Ministers in 2003 and that the modern day non-Messianic Noahide movement split from it in 2005. Since they are too small for their own article it seemed best to simple redirect it to the religion which it is based on at least until there is enough data to build a good article on the topic. Ioan.Church (talk) 18:21, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- Would you happen to have any source on hand for that? Could be helpful to add a section to Anabaptism about it. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 18:56, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- Only from what is published by the Messianic Noahide groups themselves which one can find when one does a Google search for "Messianic Noahide". The biggest group only has 2180 members and runs a YouTube channel. There are a handful of books which. ention Messianic Noahides only enough for a stub article to be written so I thought it would be best to redirect it rather than write a stub but if people want the redirect to be deleted then the best option is for the stub to be written. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ioan.Church (talk • contribs) 23:05, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- ...In that case, I'd say that they aren't notable-- information published by the Noahides themselves do not count as reliable secondary sources. In this case, I support deletion. If you really do feel like they deserve a section or article, and can find enough sources to support it, WP:BOLD. Although if I may add, 2k members doesn't seem notable enough for a youtube channel, much less a religious sect. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 23:51, 10 March 2024 (UTC)]
- ...In that case, I'd say that they aren't notable-- information published by the Noahides themselves do not count as reliable secondary sources. In this case, I support deletion. If you really do feel like they deserve a section or article, and can find enough sources to support it,
We should bare in mind that Anabaptists (with the exception of the Mennonites) are a collection of minority groups so 2000+ and a YouTube channel and website is notable considering the
- Eh, fair enough as to the numbers- a single person can be notable enough for Wikipedia, after all. What makes something notable is the sources, not the concept/number of people/ect, as per WP:N. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 09:30, 12 March 2024 (UTC)]
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- Delete: This is misleading and confusing; the article for Messianic Noahide should be nominated for deletion as well (or incorporated into this discussion). Kind regards, AnupamTalk 16:06, 17 March 2024 (UTC)]
Ashraf Abdullah Ahsy
- Ashraf Abdullah Ahsy → Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned anywhere on Wikipedia. 1234qwer1234qwer4 00:06, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete for now. GSearch says that there are materials to build a section about the prisoners within article. I do have to warn anyone who'll try though. The stories are quite dark.--Lenticel (talk) 01:01, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Restore pre-BLAR revision. It even has an image of the prisoner and the dog during the interrogation. Although NorthBySouthBaranof's edit summary said "Mergify", I didn't find any merge done. Hence I have tagged it as {{R with history}}. Jay 💬 07:06, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
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Baby Lich
- Baby Lich → List of Adventure Time characters#The Lich (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Appears in the background for about a minute in one episode, has little use in navigation. (Oinkers42) (talk) 14:29, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete unless a better target is found. The concept of a Lich shows up in more places than just Adventure Time, I'm certain that a 'Baby Lich' could crop up in a far more notable place than a quick sight gag in one episode of a show. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 16:13, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
Gunter (Extinct World)
- Gunter (Extinct World) → List of Adventure Time characters#Gunter (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The Extinct World has very little differences from the main universe, except that all of the characters died at one point. This has little use in navigation. (Oinkers42) (talk) 14:28, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as WP:CRUFT. The fact that this just navigates to the entry on the non-Extinct World version of Gunter probably says everything here. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 16:11, 16 March 2024 (UTC)]
Peppermint Butler (Black & White World)
- Peppermint Butler (Black & White World) → List of Adventure Time characters#Peppermint Butler (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The Black & White World appears for one episode as a gag. It has very little relevance to the franchise as a whole. (Oinkers42) (talk) 14:26, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as WP:CRUFT, just like Extinct World Gunter. I repeat-- the fact that this just navigates to the entry on the non-B&W World version of the character says everything here. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 16:12, 16 March 2024 (UTC)]
Name, image, and likeness
- Name, image, and likeness → Student athlete compensation (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I propose to retarget this to Personality rights. Name, image, and likeness are stock terms in reference to personality rights of all sorts of celebrities, far beyond student athletes. See, e.g., Monk v. N. Coast Brewing Co., Case No.17-cv-05015-HSG (N.D. Cal. Jan 31, 2018), contesting use of "the name, image and likeness of Thelonious Monk"; Lucchese, Inc. v. John Wayne Enters., LLC, EP-17-CV-135-PRM (W.D. Tex. Jul 31, 2017), regarding "rights to famed actor John Wayne's name, image, and likeness"; Cousteau Soc'y, Inc. v. Cousteau, 498 F.Supp.3d 287 (D. Conn. 2020), regarding "use of Jacques-Yves Cousteau's name, image, and likeness", etc. BD2412 T 02:42, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- Dab? The existing incoming links all refer to student athlete compensation. For decades in the US, university athletes were not allowed to be paid. This specifically deals with the newer rules in US college sports. Seems like a disambiguation page is an option. Not sure if there is a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Also note that the Nil dab page only has an entry the the student athlete topic, in case the abbreviation also applies to the general personality rights' use.—Bagumba (talk) 03:02, 16 March 2024 (UTC)]
- @Bagumba: There is nothing to disambiguate, as these are not two different things. They are the same thing, whether applied to student athletes or movie stars. See Sarah Wake and Addison Fontein, NCAA Athletes Will Need a New Playbook to Score on Tax Day, Bloomberg Law (September 2, 2021): "Individuals typically have the right to control the commercial use of their identity, including their name, image, and likeness, which is known as the right of publicity or personality rights". BD2412 T 03:21, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- @BD2412: From a legal perspective, I understand. Unless Personality rights is deemed the primary topic (no opinion yet), I'm not sure if it makes sense for a reader that's looking specifically for college sports to have to wade through a large article, find the US portion, then skim to find the link to the relevant dedicated page.—Bagumba (talk) 03:37, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Bagumba: There is nothing to disambiguate, as these are not two different things. They are the same thing, whether applied to student athletes or movie stars. See Sarah Wake and Addison Fontein, NCAA Athletes Will Need a New Playbook to Score on Tax Day, Bloomberg Law (September 2, 2021): "Individuals typically have the right to control the commercial use of their identity, including their name, image, and likeness, which is known as the right of publicity or personality rights". BD2412 T 03:21, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- Probably no need to have similar discussions in two places at once (see Talk:Student athlete compensation), but copying my comment from there: One or even a handful of random uses of the words as a phrase are not enough to make it a generic term. A search for
"name image and likeness"
on Google Scholar shows results only about college athletics on the first I don't know how many pages. Even limited just to sources from before 2020, I don't see a stock use of the phrase until result 15, and then not again 30. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 03:04, 16 March 2024 (UTC)- It's not a "scholarly" phrase, it's a legal one. If you look at legal cases, they arise in hundreds of them with respect to celebrities of all kinds. If you want me to provide hundreds of examples, I will. The phrase is practically a synonym for personality rights. BD2412 T 03:15, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- I don't doubt that it's widely used, but the college athletics sense still seems to be a primary meaning even in a legal context. See, e.g., this Justia search (it's less total but still most when limited to law texts). I agree with your comment above that a hatnote would be justified either way. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 04:05, 16 March 2024 (UTC)]
- I don't doubt that it's widely used, but the college athletics sense still seems to be a
- It's not a "scholarly" phrase, it's a legal one. If you look at legal cases, they arise in hundreds of them with respect to celebrities of all kinds. If you want me to provide hundreds of examples, I will. The phrase is practically a synonym for personality rights. BD2412 T 03:15, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate — Name, image, and likeness (NIL) is a common phrase used to refer specifically to the NCAA regulations. The NCAA policy is notable enough for its own article, either at WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for the phrase. Add disambiguation page then decide later if it should live at Name, image, and likeness or Name, image, and likeness (disambiguation) or be solved by hatnotes. PK-WIKI (talk) 09:17, 16 March 2024 (UTC)]
- Keep Evidence presented above suggests this is the primary topic. A hatnote can be added for disambiguation purposes. - Talkback) 13:09, 16 March 2024 (UTC)]
- Keep per Presidentman. This appears to be the primary topic for this phrase, whether it is the primary topic for the concept doesn't really matter. Thryduulf (talk) 15:03, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Primary topic. Poor timing to nominate this during an ongoing RM. 162 etc. (talk) 16:23, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- @162 etc.: It's just such a mind-boggling exercise in recentism. The phrase is temporarily associated with student athletes because that was the controversy that was most recently resolved. BD2412 T 17:48, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- Language can evolve. Wikipedia reflects what reliable sources say. 162 etc. (talk) 18:33, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- We might as well redirect Touchdown to College football on Saturdays, since the sources will then be reporting on touchdowns occurring in collegiate games. BD2412 T 18:40, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- Language can evolve. Wikipedia reflects what reliable sources say. 162 etc. (talk) 18:33, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- @162 etc.: It's just such a mind-boggling exercise in recentism. The phrase is temporarily associated with student athletes because that was the controversy that was most recently resolved. BD2412 T 17:48, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per nomination. I am unimpressed with the disambiguation or keep arguments above. Both are recentist, and in the former case, I think as a general principle we ought to retarget to the broadest meaning of a term that could be either more general or more specific, since readers who want the more specific definition can always find it within the broader article. Sdkb talk 04:43, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
EPOP
Not mentioned in the target article. Without mention, someone may be using this redirect to try to look up a music-related topic, such as Electropop. Delete. Steel1943 (talk) 01:10, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate. There is also the "egalitarian price of proportionality (EPOP)" in Price of fairness and the "Elongin BC Polycomb Repressive Complex 2 associated Protein (EPOP)" in SKIDA1. BD2412 T 03:25, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- Dabify per BD2412 --Lenticel (talk) 01:30, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
Petersburg and Five Forks
- Petersburg and Five Forks → Battle of Five Forks (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Case of
March 15
Spergerrand
Not mentioned at target. In fact, I don't think the word "Spergerrand" is mentioned anywhere else on the Internet, other than a few wikipedia scrapers.(The spelling vaguely suggests to me that the word could(?) be a portmanteau of "Asperger's" and "random", but as for why one would use such a term to refer to Bitcoin is beyond me.) As far as I can tell, this word was coined for the very first time in the history of humankind when Your Lord and Master created this redirect way back in 2012. So, delete. Duckmather (talk) 21:08, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- delete per nom, wasn't able to find any non-Wikipedia uses. Rusalkii (talk) 23:45, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as an invented WP:NEO. I suspect it's more likely a portmanteau of sperg and Krugerrand. - Eureka Lott 02:35, 16 March 2024 (UTC)]
- delete per nom, wasn't able to find any non-Wikipedia uses. Never heard of it, appears to be jargon. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 07:18, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above --Lenticel (talk) 01:30, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Not a real term. (Looking at the author’s contributions they seemed to have had some sort of vendetta against Bitcoin) StreetcarEnjoyer (talk) 02:40, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
Tokyo International Airport
- ) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
It could refer to any of the two international airports in Japan. Interstellarity (talk) 18:44, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. "Tokyo International Airport" is officially Narita Airport as Tokyo, you'd have to specify "New Tokyo International Airport" or "Tokyo-Narita International Airport". -- Tavix (talk) 18:54, 15 March 2024 (UTC)]
- Keep: already sufficiently disambiguated via hatnote. 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 20:28, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
NIAF
"NIAF" is not mentioned at the target, probably because it's not used commonly to mean "National Iraqi Armed Forces". It is used to mean National Italian American Foundation but we have no article about that. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:28, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig for now. The National Italian American Foundation is clear primary topic and very likely notable, but until we have an article then it should be a disambig. Other uses include National IA Forum (mentioned at UK cyber security community#Cross-sector bodies), Nigerian Institute of American Football (mentioned at American football in Nigeria), Netherlands Institute for Animation Film (mentioned at EYE Film Institute Netherlands#EYE Collection Centre but I'm not certain this is enough for a dabmention), and Nigerian Infrastructure Advisory Facility (no good mention). Thryduulf (talk) 14:42, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig per above. Seems to be enough to make a DAB page, though I will note that National Italian American Foundation has been deleted twice through AfD. AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 01:03, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
Viennoise
Not mentioned in the target article, leaving the connection between the redirect redirect and the target clear unclear. The article formerly at the target title, Vienne (department), does not mention the redirect either. The closest title match I could find, and the most common match via third-party search engines, is Viennoiserie, but I'm not sure if that is correct. Steel1943 (talk) 14:37, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
KeepRetarget to Vienne (department) as before. The adjectival form is unlikely to be used for the various other villages etc with the name, at the disam page. Did you mean "unclear"? Johnbod (talk) 16:06, 15 February 2024 (UTC)- @Johnbod: Yes, and did you mean "retarget to Vienne (department)"?. Steel1943 (talk) 16:48, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Viennois already targets Vienne, Isère so this course of action is consistent. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:45, 24 February 2024 (UTC)]
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- Delete per Viennois should almost certainly remain unchanged, but should not influence the decision on what to do with Viennoise. Rosbif73 (talk) 14:02, 26 February 2024 (UTC)]
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- Just keep it as is then. --Joy (talk) 20:18, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Rosbif73's detailed explanations. Jay 💬 10:58, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
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Dchicha
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This redirect was created by means of an undiscussed move and reverted immediately after. However, it is a title that is not mentioned at the target page, and seemingly not a noteworthy alternative name. Utopes (talk / cont) 05:31, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
- Add mention this does seem to be an alternative name for the target based on google searches, and noting both names seems particularly common in French-language sources (e.g. the lead at fr:Chorba frik states "Dchicha" (alternatively transliterated "tchicha") was the original name). Thryduulf (talk) 12:23, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. If this was created as essentially an administrative error, and is not mentioned on the target page, nor is a noteworthy alternative name... then let's just get rid of it. - Dyork (talk) 14:00, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete There is no mention of such name in the target article (a variant of the Chorba), nor should there be. Tchicha refers to barley semolina, which is different from Frik (also known as Freekeh). M.Bitton (talk) 13:04, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
Shalini Bathina
- Shalini Bathina → The Venery of Samantha Bird (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Actress mentioned at several pages, including
]Tyrone Brown (actor)
- Tyrone Brown (actor) → The Venery of Samantha Bird (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Actor mentioned at several pages beyond just the one, including at
]Doug Savan
- Doug Savan → The Venery of Samantha Bird (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This is seemingly an actor that played in this movie. Not synonymous with the movie by any means, and a red link seems to be more worthwhile for this purpose.
A reflection into November 2023, and wow. The history here is so egregious and I can't believe I didn't see this when the initial SPI was coming along. The creator of this redirect also created the page it points to. It was made by Crafterstar in draftspace, and was moved by their own sock into mainspace, which had earlier swindled a page mover perm out of process, and didn't leave a draftspace redirect when moving to main, for some reason. Hiding evidence that it was once a draft? Beyond me. Utopes (talk / cont) 08:35, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Meant to add that my external searches for this actor turned up exclusively Doug Savant topics. Utopes (talk / cont) 08:37, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- I'm guessing you meant September 2023 since that's when Crafterstar/Ebbedlila made the article and then sockpuppet-shoved it into mainspace. In any case, yeah, that's... that's pretty blatant sockpuppetry. ...In any case, though, they're pretty solidly blocked indefinitely, and the case shut. So, back on topic...Delete as per nom and WP:REDLINK seems like the way to go. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 08:57, 15 March 2024 (UTC)]
Adam Faison
- Adam Faison → The Venery of Samantha Bird (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Adam Faison is mentioned on the pages of several films, including
]Starry Cat
- Starry Cat → Teen Suicide (band) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned at the target. Only bears one mention on Wikipedia, being an alternate name for Ricky Eat Acid, who is a part of this band. Utopes (talk / cont) 08:07, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Ricky Eat Acid. If the user wanted info on the band from searching up one alternate name for one of the members, the band is mentioned in the article's opener. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 08:16, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
Keep. Starry Cat was a bunch of Teen Suicide songs that were released as a standalone project to raise money for one of the band members. It may not be reflected in the article, but I can just make that change and reference it. It wouldn’t make sense to redirect to Ricky Eat Acid — the same members who participated on the Starry Cat album are the (now-past) band members listed on the Teen Suicide page.Leggomygreggo8 (talk) 02:00, 16 March 2024 (UTC)- Then... why is Starry Cat listed as one of Ricky Eat Acid's aliases on his page, if Starry Cat was an alias for the whole band?? Prolly should fix that one while you're at it, lol. Will change my vote to Keep after this change. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 02:03, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oops, you edited it before I could fix my comment. It should be redirected to the page you specified. I realized Sam recorded Starry Cat alone, and although it was released for the benefit of a Teen Suicide member, he was the solo architect of the album. My apologies. Leggomygreggo8 (talk) 02:07, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- Ah, fair enough. Keeping my own vote as Retarget, then. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 02:15, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oops, you edited it before I could fix my comment. It should be redirected to the page you specified. I realized Sam recorded Starry Cat alone, and although it was released for the benefit of a Teen Suicide member, he was the solo architect of the album. My apologies. Leggomygreggo8 (talk) 02:07, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
Legislative committee
Newly created redirect; using the word "legislative" in the title would seemingly imply something more specific than ending up at the general page for committees. While there is material about legislation at the target, from my point of view the more-specific operator in this title is "legislative", and due to this Legislature may be a more preferable target here. Utopes (talk / cont) 08:03, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
Public Accounts
- Public Accounts → Public accounts committee (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
There are many titles on Wikipedia that include "Public Accounts" in the title. In regards to having the same name,
Industrial labor, Labor, labour
- Industrial labor → Industrial society (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Industrial Labor → Capitalism#Wage labor (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- ) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
These redirects should most likely be synchronized, but I'm not sure which target is the most proper. (Note:
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- Retarget Industrial Labor and Industrial labour to Talkback) 15:25, 1 March 2024 (UTC)]
- Delete per WP:REDLINK. We should encourage an article to be written on this topic. voorts (talk/contributions) 22:25, 1 March 2024 (UTC)]
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Manae
- Manae → List of generation IV Pokémon#Mime Jr. (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
implausible misspelling(?) of its japanese name, manene. also unlikely speculation, as it was also named in gen 3. results only showed an in-game trainer and an anime production staff member with this name cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:03, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
- Delete or weak retarget. The top results all relate to some non-notable tiktokers/youtubers, Inanidrilus manae - longstanding consensus has repeatedly been that redirects from specific names are not useful, so I don't support targetting it here; and Manaé Feleu, a French rugby union player but I can't find any evidence that she's commonly referred to by her first name alone (searching for Manae rugby -Feleu finds only places where her surname has been misspelled) so while I don't oppose retargetting it here it's not my first choice. Thryduulf (talk) 12:48, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate per Thryduulf's findings. Steel1943 (talk) 20:53, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
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- Disambiguate: Probably no harm in disambiguating to the articles Mime Jr. really isn't useful. 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 20:41, 15 March 2024 (UTC)]
Tantras
- ) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
It makes no sense for the links tantra and tantras go to different articles. Retarget to tantra. JIP | Talk 19:25, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget as per nom. Given the proposed target already has a hatnote pointing to the current target, I don't see any sort of problem with this change. (Don't forget to mark as R from plural.) Lunamann 🌙🌙🌙 The Moooooooniest (talk) 19:57, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oop, also, forgot to add: Apparently, this was an R from page move. Still, feels like it makes more sense to point to the singular form. Lunamann 🌙🌙🌙 The Moooooooniest (talk) 20:00, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
Weak keep since it does not seem to make sense to refer to the subject at Tantra in a plural form. (However, if a disambiguation page were to be created for "Tantra/Tantras", this redirect could be retargeted there.) Steel1943 (talk) 23:23, 7 March 2024 (UTC)- Retarget to Tantra per above --Lenticel (talk) 00:51, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as a disambig for Tantras (Buddhism). Tantras in plural refers to Tantra texts, not the Tantra system.--Redtigerxyz Talk 12:22, 9 March 2024 (UTC)]
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Superdome (Stadium)
- Superdome (Stadium) → Caesars Superdome (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I believe this to be an ambiguous term and, as such, it should be redirected to Superdome, where there are four stadiums that go by/have gone by this name. Bringing this here due to a dispute on the target with Abhiramakella. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:02, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
- The Burswood Dome and the Sydney SuperDome are arenas, not stadiums. Abhiramakella (talk) 17:33, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete the correct title WP:RDAB redirect. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:04, 6 March 2024 (UTC)]
- Stadium is a proper noun. Abhiramakella (talk) 16:39, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- The usage of "[Ss]tadium" in the disambiguator is not a proper noun. In other words, the subject at Stadium (capitalized in Wikipedia because the first letter of a title always needs to be capitalized), the subject referenced in the disambiguator, is not a proper noun. Steel1943 (talk) 22:03, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- Stadium is a proper noun. Abhiramakella (talk) 16:39, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per nom. The capitalisation of the disambiguator does not magically make this somehow implausible. Thryduulf (talk) 22:04, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
- I agree, the capitalization is not something I was at all considering. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:33, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Crouch, Swale. The very low pageviews since its recent creation leads me to believe this is not a common typographical choice or error. - Talkback) 22:33, 6 March 2024 (UTC)]
- Delete per Crouch, Swale and WP:TROUT the redirect's creator for creating a redirect with a disambiguator containing improper capitalization ... since they have recently created several such redirects. Steel1943 (talk) 23:23, 6 March 2024 (UTC)]
Delete perWP:RDAB as per Crouch, Swale. A note that RDAB specifically lists capitalization of (Disambiguation) as something to delete. Lunamann 🌙🌙🌙 The Moooooooniest (talk) 23:47, 6 March 2024 (UTC)]Keep as per Abhiramakella.While 'stadium' is not, in fact, a proper noun, Abhiramakella is correct in that the Caesars Superdome is the only stadium we have information on that is referred to by the moniker "Superdome". While it is true that 'arena' and 'stadium' are often used as synonyms, technically, a stadium is open to the sky, while an arena has a roof. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 01:45, 9 March 2024 (UTC)- Wait, hold on, Caesars Superdome has a roof. Withdrawing vote entirely now, is Caesar's Superdome a stadium!?!? 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 01:50, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- A stadium can have a roof. Abhiramakella (talk) 17:37, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- ...then what the heck is the difference between the two? If it's a distinction without a difference, then this needs to go to the DAB. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 19:36, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- A stadium can have a roof. Abhiramakella (talk) 17:37, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Wait, hold on, Caesars Superdome has a roof. Withdrawing vote entirely now, is Caesar's Superdome a stadium!?!? 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 01:50, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. This redirect should be kept to Caesars Superdome because that is the only stadium in which that was nicknamed "Superdome". Abhiramakella (talk) 16:54, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- This in no way addresses why you capitalized the disambiguator unnecessarily, and then apparently created the redirect with proper disambiguation capitalization, Superdome (stadium), about a month later. Steel1943 (talk) 17:01, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- Capitalization errors happen often. Just because a page name has an incorrect way of capitalization does not mean that it should not be redirected to a page. Abhiramakella (talk) 17:30, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- Our search function automagically detects capitalization differences, and without this redirect, the search function would treat a query for "Superdome (Stadium)" as if it were a query for "Superdome (stadium)" and redirect appropriately. Lunamann 🌙🌙🌙 The Moooooooniest (talk) 17:50, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- Using incorrect subject capitalization on disambiguators can be problematic, considering that means the incorrectly-capitalized title can be linked (which is bad in the case of disambiguators since it doesn't hint to the editor that a correction needs to be made to the title), and it can obscure other functionalities in Wikipedia, such as assessing page views of a redirects' usage. I think WP:RDAB to accommodate this, but it sure is leading me that direction.) Steel1943 (talk) 22:12, 7 March 2024 (UTC)]
- I think with the exception of the fact redirects not including the word "disambiguation" in the title don't interfere with disambiguation link fixes the same principals apply. In the case of 501(c)(3) is an example or what would not be an RDAB redirect. Crouch, Swale (talk) 22:27, 7 March 2024 (UTC)]
- Maybe those examples should be included in RDAB, as examples of what NOT to delete. Lunamann 🌙🌙🌙 The Moooooooniest (talk) 00:56, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Steel1943 and Lunamann:
Our search function automagically detects capitalization differences
this is only true for some methods of finding Wikipedia content and cannot be relied on. The points about making it harder to use some tools are irrelevant - firstly we should always prioritise readers over editors and that means we fix our tools to work with the encyclopaedia rather than "fixing" the encyclopaedia (usually when it's not actually broken) to work with our tools; secondly if it were relevant it would be a reason to delete every redirect that differs only in capitalisation. When plausible miscapitalisations occur outside parentheses we keep the redirect because we recognise how valuable they are to readers, when plausible miscapitalisations occur inside parentheses we should do the same because they are equally valuable to readers. Thryduulf (talk) 01:26, 8 March 2024 (UTC)- Because readers are unlikely to look for a title with incorrect capitalizations. Readers qualifying titles like Wikipedia will expect them to be the way we correctly title things. WP:UNNATURAL notes]
i.e. an error specific to Wikipedia titling conventions that would likely not be arrived at naturally by readers, thereby adding to the implausibility
. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:30, 8 March 2024 (UTC)- Readers do look for titles with incorrect capitalisations - that's why we have Category:Redirects from miscapitalizations and nobody has ever provided any evidence that they distinguish between words inside and outside of parentheses. The fact that these redirects keep getting created is yet more evidence that people do arrive here naturally and so do benefit from their existence. Also note that what you quote is referring to things like missing parentheses not capitalisation. Thryduulf (talk) 21:47, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
- RDAB makes reference to "(Disambiguation)". Crouch, Swale (talk) 21:57, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
- RDAB is an essay expressing opinions that reflect very varying levels of consensus for it's disparate points. On this point it is harmfully wrong. Thryduulf (talk) 23:21, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
- ...One more place whereWP:COSTLY is itself costly, huh? I've already written a counterargument piece regarding WP:PANDORA lol, am waiting on an opportunity to use it 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 01:37, 9 March 2024 (UTC)]
- I think the point is that there is a limit to redirects being cheap and creating them for incorrectly capitalized qualifiers crosses the line of not being useful while creating clutter since deleting them enables search to correct the capitalization and keeping/maintaining such redirects though not particularly costly is reduced by not having such redirects. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:45, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- RDAB is an essay expressing opinions that reflect very varying levels of consensus for it's disparate points. On this point it is harmfully wrong. Thryduulf (talk) 23:21, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
- You are right. Abhiramakella (talk) 17:45, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- RDAB makes reference to "(Disambiguation)". Crouch, Swale (talk) 21:57, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
- Readers do look for titles with incorrect capitalisations - that's why we have Category:Redirects from miscapitalizations and nobody has ever provided any evidence that they distinguish between words inside and outside of parentheses. The fact that these redirects keep getting created is yet more evidence that people do arrive here naturally and so do benefit from their existence. Also note that what you quote is referring to things like missing parentheses not capitalisation. Thryduulf (talk) 21:47, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
- Because readers are unlikely to look for a title with incorrect capitalizations. Readers qualifying titles like Wikipedia will expect them to be the way we correctly title things.
- I think with the exception of the fact redirects not including the word "disambiguation" in the title don't interfere with disambiguation link fixes the same principals apply. In the case of
- Capitalization errors happen often. Just because a page name has an incorrect way of capitalization does not mean that it should not be redirected to a page. Abhiramakella (talk) 17:30, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- This in no way addresses why you capitalized the disambiguator unnecessarily, and then apparently created the redirect with proper disambiguation capitalization, Superdome (stadium), about a month later. Steel1943 (talk) 17:01, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
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CinemaWins
- CinemaWins → CinemaSins#Parodies (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Parody YouTube channel which seems to lack the secondary sources required to actually mention it in the article of the thing it's parodying. Talk:CinemaSins#CinemaWins? has some circular reasoning that we have to include a section about it because the redirect exists. I suggest deleting the redirect. Belbury (talk) 09:49, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete-- both the redirect AND the mention- unless someone can find secondary sources. If secondary sources are found, happily keep. Lunamann 🌙🌙🌙 The Moooooooniest (talk) 13:45, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
- i found a pair of top however many lists that mention cinemawins, and nothing else
- one from hidden remote, and another from study breaks. i'm not sure either of them could be considered reliable, but i guess it's proof that the channel exists cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:52, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
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Kanpachi
- Kanpachi → Greater amberjack (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Kampachi → Greater amberjack (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
"Kanpachi" is not mentioned on the target page. I tried to verify this myself and got very conflicting results about whether this is the correct target. Kanpachi is definitely a Seriola, but is it this Seriola? I don't know how to evaluate which of these sources are reliable and would appreciate input from someone who does. Wikispecies agrees that this is the correct target, but of course, that's user-generated. Kanpachi is a Japanese word and in katakana is カンパチ, if this helps anyone. asilvering (talk) 21:04, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate/ The Japanese Wikipedia article ja:カンパチ is about Seriola dumerili (greater amberjack), but says (translated by Google) "S. rivoliana is very similar to this species and is sometimes confused with this species." Searching FishBase for the common name "kanpachi" only returns S. dumerili.
- However, searching Google for "kanpachi" returns pages that mention the scientific name Seriola rivoliana(some calling it "Hawaiian kampachi", others just calling it "kanpachi"). And pages that don't mention a scientific name often make it clear that they are referring to a fish that is farmed (not wild-caught) in Hawaii (i.e. Seriola rivoliana). From what I'm seeing from Google, I think "kanpachi", in English, refers to S. rivoliana more often than S. dumerili.
- Common names for fish eaten as seafood often refer to multiple species. The US FDA says that Lutjanus campechanus is the only species that can be marketed as "red snapper", but there is zero enforcement and I regularly see fish labelled as red snapper with a country of origin well outside the range of L. campechanus. Plantdrew (talk) 22:17, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment added Kampachi, which is an alternative romanisation of the same Japanese word, pointing to the same target. 59.149.117.119 (talk) 23:15, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. Fishbase has Kanpachi as the Japanese common name for Seriola dumerili and Hirenaga-kanpachi (longfin kanpachi) as the Japanese common name for Seriola rivoliana. While we can't use Wikipedia as a source for material in articles, the fact that editors at the Japanese Wikipedia have Kanpachi at Seriola dumerili suggests it is the primary topic. I think the redirect as is or disambiguation can both be supported, but if the article doesn't mention kanpachi then we should disambiguate. — Jts1882 | talk 07:35, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
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Raspberry Ukraine
- Raspberry Ukraine → Ukrainians in Kuban (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
no mention on target page. I have no idea what this means, tried a quick google, nothing immediately obvious. Redirect should be deleted unless someone can add supporting content at Ukrainians in Kuban. asilvering (talk) 17:16, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- it's based on a weird historic name and subsequent wonky translation of 'Malynovyi Klyn' see Klyn. Sorry it seems that i forgot to get rid of the pipe on that page when i made the redirect—blindlynx 17:41, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- Renaming Ukrainians in Kuban to Malynovyi Klyn in line with other Klyn pages might be a solution—blindlynx 18:21, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Besides the nom's concern, for some reason, this redirect made me think of Raspberry Pi, and that's not right. Steel1943 (talk) 22:46, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Utopes (talk / cont) 07:14, 15 March 2024 (UTC)- Support for Blindlynx's suggestion. Seems correct to me? 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 07:24, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
Website previously known as Twitter
- Website previously known as Twitter → Twitter (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- The website previously known as Twitter → Twitter (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Requesting deletion for unencyclopedic search terms that are unlikely to be frequently sought after or helpful as most readers looking for Twitter would just search for that and go from there, plus it is still largely called Twitter on the site and by many media and news outlets. Trailblazer101 (talk) 01:15, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, plus no mainspace links to either one. GSK (talk • edits) 01:55, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
Delete as perWP:UNHELPFUL, a test search for "Website previously known as Tumblr" had Tumblr as the very first result. Presumably, if we removed this redirect, the same would still hold for Twitter. Lunamann 🌙🌙🌙 The Moooooooniest (talk) 02:58, 5 March 2024 (UTC)]- Keep both as per a smart kitten and Thryduulf, who are right on all counts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lunamann (talk • contribs) 14:04, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- ...I... what???? That was supposed to be an edit of the comment above it. It displayed correctly in the past. How in the name of sanity did THIS happen??? ...Why does nonsense like this keep happening to me specifically? First Discussions stuffed the entirety of RtD into my collapsible, then Twinkle stole my reply meant for one discussion and put it under a different one, and now this nonsense. It's like these bot scripts have it out for me or something, lol Lunamann 🌙🌙🌙 The Moooooooniest (talk) 14:19, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep both as per a smart kitten and Thryduulf, who are right on all counts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lunamann (talk • contribs) 14:04, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep both. Variations of the phrase
[the website] formerly known as Twitter
have been used (& are being used) by a number of reliable sources - e.g. [17], [18], [19], [20], [21], [22], [23] - thus making this a likely & potentially helpful search term (engagingnot a reason for deletion - especially so with redirects such as these ones, which can validly exist as search terms. All the best, —a smart kitten[meow] 13:26, 5 March 2024 (UTC)]- I feel like these should use “formerly”, rather than or at least as well as “previously”, as these quotes are usually worded in that way. –Gluonz talk contribs 13:59, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- Fair point (I must have skimread the exact wording of the redirects too quickly!). My opinion would be that both forms could exist as redirects, given that
previously
is a synonym offormerly
. (For what it’s worth, at a search, I’ve found sources also usingpreviously
- e.g. [24], [25], [26]) All the best, —a smart kitten[meow] 14:14, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- Fair point (I must have skimread the exact wording of the redirects too quickly!). My opinion would be that both forms could exist as redirects, given that
- I feel like these should use “formerly”, rather than or at least as well as “previously”, as these quotes are usually worded in that way. –Gluonz talk contribs 13:59, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep both per a smart kitten. These are highly plausible search terms, given that phrases like this are how many people are referring to the website previously known as Twitter. The longer it becomes since it was known as Twitter the more likely it will be that people don't know what is being referred to, and even those who do won't know the title of our article given how ambiguous "X" is. Thryduulf (talk) 13:35, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep per the third reply; the second reply brings my opinion slightly towards ‘delete’ but still within the ‘keep’ range. –Gluonz talk contribs 14:00, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Unlikely search term. InfiniteNexus (talk) 18:52, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- Both redirects show evidence of being used, getting 12 (Website) and 40 (The website) hits between October and February. The latter particularly is evidence these are not actually unlikely. Thryduulf (talk) 19:24, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- Unlikely doesn't mean never. Should we make redirects for animal that barks, country shaped like a boot, and playwright who wrote Romeo and Juliet next? These belong on Jeopardy!, not Wikipedia. InfiniteNexus (talk) 19:32, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- The issue with that is that WP:UNHELPFUL. (And this is coming from a relatively new user that has been trying to wrap my brain around this for the past couple of weeks, and also, who tried to cite that very argument earlier on in this very discussion.)That said, WP:COSTLY nonsense notwithstanding, I wouldn't mark this as one of those redirects. As smart kitten and Thryduulf have pointed out, this phrase (or at least, a variant of it) gets used in reliable sources all the time to refer to Twitter/X, and has been ever since the name change. Lunamann 🌙🌙🌙 The Moooooooniest (talk) 19:48, 5 March 2024 (UTC)]
- If you can find evidence that people are searching Wikipedia for those terms, especially if they are frequently used in multiple independent sources, then they would likely make useful redirects (although "animal that barks" is ambiguous - Bark (sound) notes that dogs, wolves, coyotees, foxes, seals and other animals all make that noise)). However as Lunamann points out, whether they are or are not useful search terms is completely irrelevant to whether these redirects are useful search terms. Thryduulf (talk) 19:55, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- I meeeaaan, if you put animal that barks -> dog up on RfD, I'd recommend retargeting to Bark (sound). But we're getting into the weeds. Lunamann 🌙🌙🌙 The Moooooooniest (talk) 20:11, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- Y'all must be cat people... InfiniteNexus (talk) 22:23, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- shoutouts to pokémon for having ]
- Y'all must be cat people... InfiniteNexus (talk) 22:23, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- The issue with that is that
- Unlikely doesn't mean never. Should we make redirects for animal that barks, country shaped like a boot, and playwright who wrote Romeo and Juliet next? These belong on Jeopardy!, not Wikipedia. InfiniteNexus (talk) 19:32, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- Both redirects show evidence of being used, getting 12 (Website) and 40 (The website) hits between October and February. The latter particularly is evidence these are not actually unlikely. Thryduulf (talk) 19:24, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:PANDORA, we could otherwise end up with things like Country previously known as Swaziland or Parish previously known as Halstead Rural. There is no merits that I can see that we would treat this one differently than all the other things that have been renamed. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:05, 5 March 2024 (UTC)]
- What makes this different is that multiple sources frequently refer to it as "(the) website previously known as Twitter" as a name, not just as temporary clarification, in the same way "WP:CRYSTAL - we judge redirects on their own merits, not on the merits of other redirects that someone might theoretically create at some point in the future (and there isn't even evidence to support the underlying assumption that it will encourage such creations). Thryduulf (talk) 20:17, 5 March 2024 (UTC)]
- ...Prince-mind? Lunamann 🌙🌙🌙 The Moooooooniest (talk) 20:19, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- "Website previously known as Twitter" only gets around 529 Google hits most of which are from Wikipedia. It doesn't appear to be a common term unlike "The artist formerly known as Prince" which is mentioned in the target and has about 135,000 hits, similarly "Country previously known as Swaziland" has about 528 hits. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:54, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- More like 9 news results, three of which are invalid. I guess that must be some users' definition of "widely used by reliable sources". InfiniteNexus (talk) 22:23, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- I mean, if the country of Swaziland were only recently renamed to Swaziland, still regularly referred to as Swaziland by most people, and kept getting referred to with the phrase "Country previously known as Swaziland" in reliable publications, then yeah, I could see us ending up with The Artist Formerly Known as Prince. Lunamann 🌙🌙🌙 The Moooooooniest (talk) 20:18, 5 March 2024 (UTC)]
- I think that's the point, it seems Prince is sometimes actually named as "The artist formerly known as Prince" which "Country previously known as Swaziland" is just a sentence so is not a plausible redirect. In other words the "Country previously known as" is just a modifier rather than a name. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:01, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
- Ehhh. I mean, during the time period where Prince was referred to as 'The artist formerly known as Prince', his name was actually File:Prince logo.svg. (You can probably see why people referred to him as 'The artist formerly known as Prince') In that case, I'd argue that 'The artist formerly known as' would also just be a modifier. Lunamann 🌙🌙🌙 The Moooooooniest (talk) 23:53, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
- I think that's the point, it seems Prince is sometimes actually named as "The artist formerly known as Prince" which "Country previously known as Swaziland" is just a sentence so is not a plausible redirect. In other words the "Country previously known as" is just a modifier rather than a name. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:01, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
- What makes this different is that multiple sources frequently refer to it as "(the) website previously known as Twitter" as a name, not just as temporary clarification, in the same way "
- delete per "no one refers to it as x". aside from elon and organization 13
- on a more serious note, i think the "previously" would require that the target article not be named "twitter" cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:24, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- We don't require readers to know what our article is titled before they can read it, indeed that's the point of redirects like this. "no one refers to it as x" would be a valid argument against moving the article but is completely irrelevant here - rather it's a reason why this redirect is useful. Thryduulf (talk) 14:02, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Serves no practical purpose. Almost anyone would simply type in "Twitter" or "X", not this sentence. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 19:20, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep harmless, not a Pandora's box as the titling of "website previously known as twitter" might even be more of a popular name in the modern landscape than "X" is, which is hard to say for any other "former name" of anything. People who know it's not Twitter anymore can very plausibly search for the subject in this way. Utopes (talk / cont) 07:40, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, search strings, not redirect titles. We already have properly titled X, formerly known as Twitter. If the argument is that readers may not know the new name of twitter, they will go to Twitter first anyway. But if the target was X (and not Twitter), I could consider a weak keep. Jay 💬 07:45, 12 March 2024 (UTC)]
- IAR in order to close the subpage. No prior relists with 6 !votes delete and 5 !votes keep.]
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Utopes (talk / cont) 07:13, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Implausible search term. Why would somebody search this instead of just searching for Twitter instead? StreetcarEnjoyer (talk) 15:11, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per A smart kitten. -- Tavix (talk) 19:48, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
Idioprothoraca
- Idioprothoraca → Embioptera (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Rhipineoptera → Orthoptera (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Terms that are only linked from Sociality as their only mentions on Wikipedia, and neither are mentioned at their respective targets. Utopes (talk / cont) 06:37, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- I can vouch for the fact it was only used for the taxonomic families with redlinks. I don't really care that much about my enwiki articles, as most of them were made for redlink fixing. I didn't do much research on the names too. So, Delete. RiggedMint (talk) 14:45, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. These were proposed as clades that include more than their current targets (Idioprothoraca is Dermaptera). These clade names don't seem to be accepted by anybody other than the person (Nikita Kluge) who named them, and he has a idiosyncratic approach to nomenclature (he uses Saltatoria for what everybody else calls Orthoptera). The clade names nominated here were linked in a previous version of the Neoptera article, but that article no longer follows Kluge. Plantdrew (talk) 16:53, 15 March 2024 (UTC)]
Peach Tree
- ) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- I will mention, this redirect seems to have been created as a mistake when moving Peach Tree War to Peach War, and apparently not an intentional pointage here. But, figured I'd bring this here to discuss the diffcaps redirect that was created as a result. Utopes (talk / cont) 06:24, 15 March 2024 (UTC)]
- Delete as per nom. This isn't necessary, and if left, might generate quite a bit of WP:SURPRISE for anyone who was simply wanting an article on peach trees. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 06:28, 15 March 2024 (UTC)]
- For the record, I am not opposed to instead retargeting to Peach. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 13:34, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to ]
- Redirect would have been created when I accidentally moved Peach Tree War to Peach Tree. Immediately reverted this move then moved Peach Tree War to Peach War. Peach War is the more common usage, although a few secondary sources use Peach Tree War. Griffin's Sword (talk) 14:10, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
Railway Approach
- Railway Approach → Hung Hom station (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not a topic mentioned at the target article. The only time the word "approach" is ever said at the target is in the sentence: "New approach tracks have also been built." Appears to possibly be a general topic, without any context at the target. Utopes (talk / cont) 06:17, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete my search results are overwhelmed by street names in England. Thryduulf (talk) 14:49, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
Rutland Quadrant
- Rutland Quadrant → Kowloon Tong (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
No mention of "Rutland" or "Quadrant" at the target article. The only mention that "Rutland Quadrant" has on Wikipedia is within a table on Route 1 (Hong Kong), not wikilinked. Utopes (talk / cont) 06:15, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
Ho King Toi
Topic is not covered at the target article, no mentions of the subject, nor anywhere on Wikipedia. Utopes (talk / cont) 06:14, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
Sahrang
"Sahrang" has no mention at the target article, and the three mentions it has on Wikipedia are within the same citation used three times, not related to Iran. Utopes (talk / cont) 06:13, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Back when the redirect was created, the article did list that "sahrang" (Persian for 'tricolor') was an alternate name for the flag. This was changed in January of this year, and now simply states that Tricolor (not the Persian word, the English word, which is a little odd to me considering this is literally Iran, aka Persia, we're talking about) is the alternate name of the flag. Gonna attempt to flag down the editor who made that change, maybe they have some input here... 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 06:51, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
5:-)
An emoticon not mentioned at the target, and no longer mentioned at List of emoticons either. The five is supposed to indicate Elvis Presley's haircut, presumably. Utopes (talk / cont) 04:13, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Elvi5 Pre5ley has left the building, this should too. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 05:37, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- That is pretty darn cute to see in this day and age. Delete 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 20:52, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
Ghanaians in Sweden
Hoothi
Delete. The initial target was
]- Retarget to Houthi, and their name comes from a flubbed reading of a throwaway line from The Brain of Morbius of all things!) 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 20:31, 15 March 2024 (UTC)]
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Sayyid Muhammad
- Sayyid Muhammad → Mohammed Abdullah Hassan (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
"Sayyid" (and other spellings) is an honorific; "Muhammad" (and other spellings) is a very common name. There are dozens of people who might be referred to as Sayyid Muhammad and this redirect has no one good target. Note Sayyid Mohammad, Sayed Mohammad are red. I suggest delete to enable Search to work uninhibited. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:33, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate: Looks like this page was previously a disambiguation page, but got turned into a redirect due to WP:DABSISTER). 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 18:20, 7 March 2024 (UTC)]
- Keep The actual article title is Wiki compliant. Inconvenient as it is, people simply do not read Wikipedia's policies before using our encyclopedia. I think it would be a little narcassistic to punish them for their ignorance. The redirect covers how many peops commonly know him (many not even knowing that Sayyid is an honorific) and is thus a plausible search term. As and when these dozens who have been referred to as Sayyid Muhammad surface we can expand the page from redirect to disambig. I note Sayyid Mohammad, Sayed Mohammad are red. The answer for anyone who is disturbed by this is to turn those links blue via a redirect. Tiny Particle (talk) 18:37, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Tiny Particle: I do not accept that Mohammed Abdullah Hassan is the primary topic for "Sayyid Muhammad". Is there evidence that he is? Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:38, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 23:41, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
Ontario, CA
- Ontario, CA → Ontario, California (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Once again, it should be retargeted to Ontario. It seems like common sense here. LilianaUwU (talk / contributions) 23:06, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget – I admit that I'm from Ontario and maybe biased, but literally every piece of mail uses Ontario, CA as an abbreviation. The province is definitely the primary topic over the American city. I'm okay with the disambiguation option as well, but I think it's a disservice to readers to assume they're looking for the place in California. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 23:35, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Not that I doubt you, but I'm surprised by the statement that "literally every piece of mail uses Ontario, CA as an abbreviation." In the US, I would never include ", US" at the end of a domestic address, and I never see the country name or abbreviation on domestic mail I receive. If I were mailing to someone in Canada, I would write out the word "CANADA" in full. Just curious. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 13:39, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Clovermoss: To fact check your above statement that
literally every piece of mail uses Ontario, CA as an abbreviation
, Canada Post's addressing guidelines do not use "CA". Therefore, I can reasonably conclude that your statement is false. Most mail would tend to follow what formatting the Post recommends. -- Tavix (talk) 21:48, 15 March 2024 (UTC)- Maybe not every Canadian does it, then. But they'd understand what you mean by it, at the very least because it is incredibly common to see Ontario, CA on mail and in mailing addresses, regardless of what Canada Post officially suggests. I'm going to be stepping away from this conversation going forward because I've said my piece and this is honestly making me angry because it's a sky is blue level conclusion around here. I think the very fact that this discussion keeps happening is proof that Ontario, CA is not an unambiguous reference to California. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 21:53, 15 March 2024 (UTC)]
- If it's as common as you claim, then it should be easy to provide examples, no? I'm really trying to find examples on my end: WikiHow shows CANADA on a separate line (no CA). Here's a Reddit thread where a few users give examples of Canadian addresses, and none of them include "CA". Here's a source showing three different acceptable formats, none of which include "CA". etc. etc. I really don't mean to upset you, but when a claim is challenged you really ought to be able to back it up. -- Tavix (talk) 22:16, 15 March 2024 (UTC)]
- If it's as common as you claim, then it should be easy to provide examples, no? I'm really trying to find examples on my end: WikiHow shows CANADA on a separate line (no CA). Here's a Reddit thread where a few users give examples of Canadian addresses, and none of them include "CA". Here's a source showing three different acceptable formats, none of which include "CA". etc. etc. I really don't mean to upset you,
- Maybe not every Canadian does it, then. But they'd understand what you mean by it, at the very least because it is incredibly common to see Ontario, CA on mail and in mailing addresses, regardless of what Canada Post officially suggests. I'm going to be stepping away from this conversation going forward because I've said my piece and this is honestly making me angry because it's a
- Retarget to Ontario (disambiguation). CA is Canada's two letter country code and I think the province would be the expected result for the 15 million Canadians that live in Ontario. On a lot of websites you actually only select two letters when selecting your country or they'll only display the two letters and a Canadian flag. The province is clearly the primary topic given that it's not disambiguated. But the city would still be an expected result for some, which is why I'm okay with disambiguate. The city feels like the third best target, behind the province then the disambiguation page. Hey man im josh (talk) 23:41, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Since some people cannot seem to find instances where "Ontario, CA" is used to refer to the province, I've found 50 instances where it does:
- Barrie, Ontario
- https://www.ubereats.com/ca/city/barrie-on
- https://saferspaces.ca/store/barrie-police/
- https://www.squash.org.au/club/view/Barrie-Athletic-Club
- https://www.barrietowtruckservice.com/roadside-assistance-barrie-ontario
- https://chatime.ca/locations/?location=Toronto,%20ON,%20Canada&radius=5
- https://wildwoodovens.com/portfolio/pizza-oven-barrie-ontario-ca/
- https://www.knothouse.ca/
- https://www.unbelievabowl.ca/ourstory.html
- https://www.propassportphoto.com/store7491/
- https://residential.torlys.com/store/barrie-carpet-hardwood/
- https://ca.trustpilot.com/review/liftow.com/location/barrie
- https://thrivespring.com/organizations/urbanpantrybarrie/
- https://ca.linkedin.com/company/barrietoday
- Toronto, Ontario
- https://ca.linkedin.com/company/city-of-toronto÷
- https://www.americanexpress.com/en-tr/travel/discover/property-results/dt/4/d/Toronto,Ontario
- https://www.somethingelserecords.ca/our-lady-peace-live-at-the-el-mocambo-toronto-onta.html
- https://ca.linkedin.com/company/torontosmayor
- https://chystophersamuael.medium.com/panel-builder-in-toronto-ontario-ca-574df9fa0688
- https://www.applyboard.com/schools/toronto-metropolitan-university-formerly-ryerson-university
- https://www.discogs.com/release/27182877-Our-Lady-Peace-Live-At-The-El-Mocambo-Toronto-Ontario-CA
- https://globalbridge-edu.com/seneca-college-york-campus-toronto-ontario-ca/
- https://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/wm193V1_Casa_Loma_Toronto_Ontario_CA
- https://allevents.in/toronto/aew-forbidden-door-live-on-ppv-toronto-ontario-ca/200024289853947
- https://www.locanto.ca/toronto/ID_6575961424/PLC-Programming-in-Toronto-Ontario-Ca.html
- Ottawa, Ontario
- https://ca.linkedin.com/company/city-of-ottawa
- https://dominicanu.ca/
- https://ca.linkedin.com/company/us-embassy-ottawa
- https://ridewithgps.com/ambassador_routes/1802-perimeter-of-ottawa?lang=en
- https://actionnetwork.org/events/womens-march-ottowa-ontario-ca-httpbitly2hjhtu9-2?source=widget
- https://solarific.co/ca/ontario/ottawa
- https://www.employmentservice.sl.on.ca/fr/node/59
- https://www.styleseat.com/m/search/ottawa-ontario-ca
- https://www.ubereats.com/ca/store/healthy-planet-unit-b10-ottawa-ontario-ca-k2t-1b9/ESZ2c-E7UgKy3j3_XuIUBQ
- https://quicktask.com/featuredjobs/gazebo-assembly-ottawa-ontario-ca-3/
- https://chatime.ca/store/ottawa-somerset/
- Hamilton, Ontario
- https://www.emedevents.com/organizer-profile/mcmaster-university
- https://www.linkedin.com/school/uwaterloo/
- https://www.crsautomotive.com/what-to-see-in-hamilton-ontario-canada/
- https://ca.linkedin.com/company/city-of-hamilton
- https://ca.linkedin.com/company/hamilton-family-health-team
- https://en.perto.com/ca/hamilton-6433/firstontario-concert-hall-63940/menopause-the-musical-2-cruising-through-the-change-10346291/
- https://chatime.ca/store/hamilton-downtown-hamilton/
- https://www.lgbtqandall.com/resources/clarity-restored-counselling-and-therapy-hamilton-ontario-ca/
- https://accsell.my-ubertor.com/Properties.php/Details/217
- https://www.emedevents.com/canada-medical-conferences/ontario/hamilton
- https://www.propassportphoto.com/store7366/
- General references that seem to always use "Ontario, CA"
- Expedia
- WeatherBug
- Ebird
- Mappit
- These, among many, many, other examples, are part of why it's a reasonable expectation for Canadians that this redirect would lead to the province. Sorry if formatting is bad and that it's just links, but I did this from mobile. Hey man im josh (talk) 01:24, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- Most of those aren't reliable sources, and while a lot of those links don't work or don't include "Ontario, CA" in any way, those that do match "Ontario, CA" when searching the page for that term are only doing so as part of the address specifying the city, none of those are referring to the province itself as "Ontario, CA", it's part of a larger address specifically referring to a city, and is never used on its own and never used to refer to the province, so that's not evidence that the redirect should point to the province when it's not used that way in reliable sources. - Aoidh (talk) 04:48, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- Someone gets you 50 links that use "Ontario, CA" and you dismiss them as unreliable sources? It's the usage here that counts, not whether the link is a RS. LilianaUwU (talk / contributions) 07:26, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- As I already said in the comment above, the reliability of the sources was not the only issue, and indeed wasn't even the primary issue. Many of them don't even include the term, and none of them use this redirect's title "Ontario, CA" to refer to the province, not a single one. I checked each one. It is indeed the usage that counts and still no source, reliable or otherwise, has been provided that refers to the province as "Ontario, CA", the closest we get is partial matches in town-specific terms, like "Toronto, Ontario, CA", which is not the focus of this redirect while references to the city match the redirect term exactly and unambiguously. The data does not support the claim that the province is ever referred to using this redirect title, and the WikiNav data does not support the claim that readers are confused by the redirect's target. My intention was merely to point out the issue with, for example, some of sources listed not even including the term, but I think I'm past the point of commenting here too much so I'll leave it at that. - Aoidh (talk) 09:20, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- The reliability is entirely irrelevant, I'm not using these as sources in articles. I'm demonstrating that "Ontario, CA", is something Canadians see regularly. They're contextually perfectly valid. I could actually post hundreds of more examples but I had thought 50 would be adequate to show that we do frequently see that formatting. Also, to be clear, you're incorrect about the links not working or not including "Ontario, CA". If you ctrl+F you'll find at least one usage on every one of those links. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:22, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- As I already said in the comment above, the reliability of the sources was not the only issue, and indeed wasn't even the primary issue. Many of them don't even include the term, and none of them use this redirect's title "Ontario, CA" to refer to the province, not a single one. I checked each one. It is indeed the usage that counts and still no source, reliable or otherwise, has been provided that refers to the province as "Ontario, CA", the closest we get is partial matches in town-specific terms, like "Toronto, Ontario, CA", which is not the focus of this redirect while references to the city match the redirect term exactly and unambiguously. The data does not support the claim that the province is ever referred to using this redirect title, and the WikiNav data does not support the claim that readers are confused by the redirect's target. My intention was merely to point out the issue with, for example, some of sources listed not even including the term, but I think I'm past the point of commenting here too much so I'll leave it at that. - Aoidh (talk) 09:20, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- Someone gets you 50 links that use "Ontario, CA" and you dismiss them as unreliable sources? It's the usage here that counts, not whether the link is a RS. LilianaUwU (talk / contributions) 07:26, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- Most of those aren't reliable sources, and while a lot of those links don't work or don't include "Ontario, CA" in any way, those that do match "Ontario, CA" when searching the page for that term are only doing so as part of the address specifying the city, none of those are referring to the province itself as "Ontario, CA", it's part of a larger address specifically referring to a city, and is never used on its own and never used to refer to the province, so that's not evidence that the redirect should point to the province when it's not used that way in reliable sources. - Aoidh (talk) 04:48, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- Since some people cannot seem to find instances where "Ontario, CA" is used to refer to the province, I've found 50 instances where it does:
- Retarget to Ontario (disambiguation) as a {{R from incomplete disambiguation}}. There doesn't seem to be a clear primary topic between California and Canada with about equal numbers of people in the discussions expecting each target. Thryduulf (talk) 00:57, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Ontario (disambiguation) as a {{R from incomplete disambiguation}}, per Thryduulf above. The two-letter initialism "CA" can be a postal code for California or an abbreviation for Canada, and both are equally plausible in different contexts. – Epicgenius (talk) 01:07, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep
(with retargeting to the dab page as a second choice). Most anyone looking for the Canadian province is just going to search for plain "Ontario", which is of course the PTOPIC for the plain name. But with the ", CA", the standard postal address for the city in California? It should point to the city in California. There's already a hatnote pointing to Ontario, for anyone who is confused enough to search for it this way. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 01:13, 15 March 2024 (UTC)- Striking my second choice for a dab retarget. On second thought, this makes everyone click through twice, which isn't great. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 01:21, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- CA is the standard postal address for the country of Canada, too. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 01:33, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Mailing addresses would be disambiguated to the city level, e.g. "Toronto, ON" or "Toronto, ON, Ca" or even "Toronto, Ontario, Ca" but it would not be "Ontario, CA" by itself. - Aoidh (talk) 01:39, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Addresses are often listed different ways. I'm on mobile right now, but looking at the top 5 LinkedIn pages of Ontario cities by population, they all include "Ontario" instead of "ON" and "CA" instead of "Canada" at the end of the address. Hey man im josh (talk) 03:48, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Mailing addresses would be disambiguated to the city level, e.g. "Toronto, ON" or "Toronto, ON, Ca" or even "Toronto, Ontario, Ca" but it would not be "Ontario, CA" by itself. - Aoidh (talk) 01:39, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- CA is the standard postal address for the country of Canada, too. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 01:33, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Striking my second choice for a dab retarget. On second thought, this makes everyone click through twice, which isn't great. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 01:21, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - Nothing has changed since the last few discussions, and there's certainly no evidence that there has been any shift in usage. While CA sometimes refers to Canada in certain contexts, and Ontario is a province in Canada, the exact phrase "Ontario, CA" itself is used in reliable sources to refer to the city in California, not the province in Canada. Both now and the last time this was discussed last year I could not find any instances of "Ontario, CA" being used to refer to the Canadian province, but if such instances do exist they are by far an exception. To change the redirect target to suggest that "Ontario, CA" is used to refer to the Canadian province would be inaccurate and misleading and does not reflect usage in reliable sources. Usage in sources show that the Californian city is the clear and unambiguous primary topic for this exact phrase. - Aoidh (talk) 01:22, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- "They are by far the exception" – Try searching for city name, Ontario, CA. I just did it with my own city and several others, you'll find thousands of examples. This type of format is why there would be such a familiarity and assumption by Canadians that "Ontario, CA" is associated with the province. It's also the ISO 2-letter country code for Canada and, as someone from the province, I get a lot of mail with "city name, Ontario, CA" on it. Hey man im josh (talk) 02:44, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- This isn't a proposal for any redirect related to "[city name], Ontario, CA" any more than it is about the phrase "Ontario" itself, which of course the province would be the primary topic for. Each redirect stands on its own merits, and if the argument is that the redirect should target the province, then there should be evidence that "Ontario, CA" refers to the province rather than being included in a string related to a city. Throughout now four RfDs nobody has been able to provide a single instance of "Ontario, CA" being used to refer to the province, therefore then the city in California is the primary topic for this redirect and the current target is the valid one, and the hatnote at the top more than adequately addresses any edge cases where there may be confusion due to related terms from partial matches in mailing addresses. I can't find any instance of "Ontario, CA" referring to the province itself; when reliable sources use "Ontario, CA" they are referring to the city, and the redirect currently does and should continue to reflect that demonstrated usage. - Aoidh (talk) 02:54, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- You won't find "Ontario, CA" because everybody includes more than that in their addresses. It's about the expected result when you search a term. In this case, Canadians who have regularly seen these types of addresses would naturally, and quite reasonably, assume that the version without a city would be referring to the province. The number of people who are aware of the town of Ontario is significantly dwarfed by those who see and use "Ontario, CA" every day while referring to the province. Not to mention international folks who would assume, based on the consistent 2-letter usage of "CA" for Canada, that Ontario, CA, would be referring to the province. Hey man im josh (talk) 03:21, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- The issue is that assumption is not backed by any evidence whatsoever of even a single instance, whereas usage for the city unambiguously and overwhelmingly is, and that theoretical confusion is already addressed by the hatnote, alleviating any concern such confusion would bring while still accurately redirecting to what reliable sources mean when they use the term "Ontario, CA". Also it was very quick to find international sources that use CA to refer to California, so the assumption that international readers would assume CA=Canada is not reflected by sources either. Reliable sources should be used over ]
- What do you believe the purpose of a redirect is? I believe it's to redirect people to the expected result. In this case, it's ridiculous to draw a conclusion that Canadians who see "Ontario, CA" regularly as part of larger addresses should somehow not associate that with the province after essentially being trained to do so. As such, the expected result, for myself and a large number of people, is the province. That's why the dab page makes the most sense, if not the province itself. Hey man im josh (talk) 03:42, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- It is to redirect people to the expected result. How though do we determine what result is expected? Given that not a single reliable source, even Canadian ones, use this term for the province, that's an unlikely edge case barring evidence to the contrary, and for that edge case there is a hatnote. Canadians (being ~2% of English speakers) possibly confusing the meaning of Ontario, CA (and that confusion is not reflected by sourcing whatsoever) is not an issue due to the hat note and is not cause to change the redirect target without evidence that it's a more likely target, which there isn't any. By actual redirect clicks, WikiNav shows it's not something people are being overly confused by, especially when looking at how people are arriving at Ontario. - Aoidh (talk) 04:11, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- I think your wikilink about the redirect being not "what comes to mind" supports the province being the target, actually. Per the example given at that page:
What first comes to your mind when you hear the word Java? It may be coffee or a programming language, but the primary topic belongs to the island with over 150 million people living on it.
- Ontario is a province with 15 million people, the American city has a population of 175,000 and is likely not what the average reader typing "Ontario, CA" is looking for. You cite just one newspaper article using the commonly used abbreviation for California as a state and while I'm sure you could find more, I could also find countless examples of CA being used in reference to Canada as well. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 03:51, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- This redirect is not Ontario, nor is it CA, but very specifically "Ontario, CA" and every instance of the specific term "Ontario, CA" used to refer to something in reliable sources is only used to refer to the city in California, it's not even an issue of which is more commonly used, there's zero evidence of the province being referred to as "Ontario, CA". The city is the primary topic for this specific term as shown through sources. The point about what CA may mean internationally is that it's a grey area and assumptions shouldn't be made as to what people think when they see "CA", though not directly relevant as again this redirect is a very specific term and has only one meaning in reliable sources, and while it's not unreasonable to expect that there will be readers that expect a different result, that's an issue that already has a solution. - Aoidh (talk) 04:11, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- I'm genuinely perplexed that you think that there's zero evidence out there for the province itself being referred to as Ontario, CA and that reliable sources only ever talk about the American city exclusively. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 04:25, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Do you have reliable sources that refer to the province specifically as "Ontario, CA"? I can't find any, let alone enough that would demonstrate confusion. The city mailing address makes it part of a term that makes sense in that context, but that partial match is not the term itself and the province is never the subject of those addresses. - Aoidh (talk) 04:27, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- I'm genuinely perplexed that you think that there's zero evidence out there for the province itself being referred to as Ontario, CA and that reliable sources only ever talk about the American city exclusively. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 04:25, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- This redirect is not Ontario, nor is it CA, but very specifically "Ontario, CA" and every instance of the specific term "Ontario, CA" used to refer to something in reliable sources is only used to refer to the city in California, it's not even an issue of which is more commonly used, there's zero evidence of the province being referred to as "Ontario, CA". The city is the primary topic for this specific term as shown through sources. The point about what CA may mean internationally is that it's a grey area and assumptions shouldn't be made as to what people think when they see "CA", though not directly relevant as again this redirect is a very specific term and has only one meaning in reliable sources, and while it's not unreasonable to expect that there will be readers that expect a different result, that's an issue that already has a solution. - Aoidh (talk) 04:11, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- What do you believe the purpose of a redirect is? I believe it's to redirect people to the expected result. In this case, it's ridiculous to draw a conclusion that Canadians who see "Ontario, CA" regularly as part of larger addresses should somehow not associate that with the province after essentially being trained to do so. As such, the expected result, for myself and a large number of people, is the province. That's why the dab page makes the most sense, if not the province itself. Hey man im josh (talk) 03:42, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- The issue is that assumption is not backed by any evidence whatsoever of even a single instance, whereas usage for the city unambiguously and overwhelmingly is, and that theoretical confusion is already addressed by the hatnote, alleviating any concern such confusion would bring while still accurately redirecting to what reliable sources mean when they use the term "Ontario, CA". Also it was very quick to find international sources that use CA to refer to California, so the assumption that international readers would assume CA=Canada is not reflected by sources either. Reliable sources should be used over ]
- You won't find "Ontario, CA" because everybody includes more than that in their addresses. It's about the expected result when you search a term. In this case, Canadians who have regularly seen these types of addresses would naturally, and quite reasonably, assume that the version without a city would be referring to the province. The number of people who are aware of the town of Ontario is significantly dwarfed by those who see and use "Ontario, CA" every day while referring to the province. Not to mention international folks who would assume, based on the consistent 2-letter usage of "CA" for Canada, that Ontario, CA, would be referring to the province. Hey man im josh (talk) 03:21, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- This isn't a proposal for any redirect related to "[city name], Ontario, CA" any more than it is about the phrase "Ontario" itself, which of course the province would be the primary topic for. Each redirect stands on its own merits, and if the argument is that the redirect should target the province, then there should be evidence that "Ontario, CA" refers to the province rather than being included in a string related to a city. Throughout now four RfDs nobody has been able to provide a single instance of "Ontario, CA" being used to refer to the province, therefore then the city in California is the primary topic for this redirect and the current target is the valid one, and the hatnote at the top more than adequately addresses any edge cases where there may be confusion due to related terms from partial matches in mailing addresses. I can't find any instance of "Ontario, CA" referring to the province itself; when reliable sources use "Ontario, CA" they are referring to the city, and the redirect currently does and should continue to reflect that demonstrated usage. - Aoidh (talk) 02:54, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- "They are by far the exception" – Try searching for city name, Ontario, CA. I just did it with my own city and several others, you'll find thousands of examples. This type of format is why there would be such a familiarity and assumption by Canadians that "Ontario, CA" is associated with the province. It's also the ISO 2-letter country code for Canada and, as someone from the province, I get a lot of mail with "city name, Ontario, CA" on it. Hey man im josh (talk) 02:44, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
Before I do so (I want to avoid showing numerous examples you might discount as irrelevant) can you elaborate a bit more on what exactly you mean about partial matches? Because neither is really the term itself, is it? Afterall, Ontario, CA is either an abbreviated version of
- What I mean is that a source uses the exact phrase "Ontario, CA" to refer to something, for example the city itself, news organizations, the FAA (though an American entity) all use "Ontario, CA", the exact term being discussed here, to describe the city with no disambiguation used or needed. I can find no evidence that the same is true of the province itself, and per the WikiNav link above readers are not being confused by this either. - Aoidh (talk) 06:41, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think the Los Angeles Times is fair to use as an example here. LilianaUwU (talk / contributions) 06:54, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- I think it's perfectly reasonable as it demonstrates usage, but here's one that's not local at all. Do papers in the province of Ontario use "Ontario, CA" in the same way? - Aoidh (talk) 07:24, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- I disagree with Liliana, I think the Los Angeles example is fine. Thank you for finding sources that are more specific than the last one (I'll give some examples of what I mean when I'm less busy today). I wouldn't say that particular usage is really used by papers within Ontario to describe Ontario, so that is a different usage. I'm more inclined to disambiguate this now. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 11:20, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- I'm on my lunch break so I haven't had time to dig much (will have more time later), but I did find this page in a book that expresses the concept that the exact term of Ontario, CA can indicate the province, as the international travel website Expedia assumes that this is what one is looking for if you use that exact phrase as a search term, with the American city being the very last option provided. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 16:07, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- That example is expressing that given the query
Ontario, CA
there is a 99% chance that the user meansOntario, California
, so giving Canadian results first is not well-designed UI. -- Tavix (talk) 16:39, 15 March 2024 (UTC)- The author's argument is that it isn't well designed UI but I think there's a reason Expedia uses it like that. Regardless, the author's answer is also in an American specific context. They state that if you ask any American, they'd be expecting the city, their location data indicated they were American, etc. It's easy enough to flip that argument around to apply to Canada: if you ask any Canadian they'd expect Ontario, CA to lead to the province. Hence why the incomplete disambiguation idea is probably the best one. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 17:35, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Well the author argued that the UI is so bad that it would have had to have been designed by a robot, so I really don't think it's making the point you want it to make... Also, the second part of your reply is a ]
- It's not a fallacy if it's genuinely true. Ask any Canadian what "Ontario, CA" means and they'll say the province. I've come to the conclusion that the disambiguation idea is the best one because of Thryduulf's rationale, it's reasonable for people to expect either of these results. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 20:26, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Well the author argued that the UI is so bad that it would have had to have been designed by a robot, so I really don't think it's making the point you want it to make... Also, the second part of your reply is a ]
- The author's argument is that it isn't well designed UI but I think there's a reason Expedia uses it like that. Regardless, the author's answer is also in an American specific context. They state that if you ask any American, they'd be expecting the city, their location data indicated they were American, etc. It's easy enough to flip that argument around to apply to Canada: if you ask any Canadian they'd expect Ontario, CA to lead to the province. Hence why the incomplete disambiguation idea is probably the best one. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 17:35, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- That example is expressing that given the query
- I'm on my lunch break so I haven't had time to dig much (will have more time later), but I did find this page in a book that expresses the concept that the exact term of Ontario, CA can indicate the province, as the international travel website Expedia assumes that this is what one is looking for if you use that exact phrase as a search term, with the American city being the very last option provided. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 16:07, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- I disagree with Liliana, I think the Los Angeles example is fine. Thank you for finding sources that are more specific than the last one (I'll give some examples of what I mean when I'm less busy today). I wouldn't say that particular usage is really used by papers within Ontario to describe Ontario, so that is a different usage. I'm more inclined to disambiguate this now. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 11:20, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- I think it's perfectly reasonable as it demonstrates usage, but here's one that's not local at all. Do papers in the province of Ontario use "Ontario, CA" in the same way? - Aoidh (talk) 07:24, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think the Los Angeles Times is fair to use as an example here. LilianaUwU (talk / contributions) 06:54, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to DAB page as per Thryduulf. CA can easily stand for either Canada or California, meaning that CA is quite useless as a disambiguator. Since we can't tell for certain which page the user actually wants to go to, we need to go to the DAB page. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 05:41, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Since this is getting contentious, I'm going to refine my take on this:
This is a very contentious and controversial topic, with accusations of americentrism, canada-centrism, et cetera. However, I'd like to point out three things:- One, that the only person who feels that it should be fully retargeted seems to be the nominator, and that everyone else seems to be either wanting to keep the existing target or retarget to the DAB.
- Two, that retargeting to the DAB would be best as it offers up the least amount of harm and surprise in every scenario.
- Three, that this doesn't even matter in the long run, as both targets already have hatnotes pointing to each other, with the province pointing to the DAB and the city pointing straight to the province.
- My vote remains at retargeting to the DAB, but these hatnotes add another place we should add this-- to Wikipedia:Lamest_edit_wars/Redirects_and_disambiguation_pages. Y'all are getting this worked up over basically nothing. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 09:59, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- Since this is getting contentious, I'm going to refine my take on this:
- Retarget to disambiguation page, per the reasoning that both uses are valid; we should of course try to eliminate links that use this redirect where possible. FWIW, the BBC and Guardian both use "Ontario, CA" to refer to the American city, not the Canadian province. SounderBruce 08:22, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to disambiguation page, as per Thryduulf and others. We shouldn't expect readers outside North America to be familiar with either state or country postal codes. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 13:37, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, especially per BDD's evidence in the 2015 discussion. This is a common format for American cities, but not for Canadian provinces. Perhaps most tellingly, the other Canadian redirects of this format (eg: Quebec, CA) were not created until during last year's RfD. If this were a common way to search for Canadian provinces, you would think someone in the last twenty years of Wikipedia would have thought to create it, but instead it took an RfD prompt to do so. Also, can anyone show evidence of "Ontario, CA" being used in prose to refer to the Canadian province? -- Tavix (talk) 14:05, 15 March 2024 (UTC)]
Upgrading to Strong Keep after doing a deep dive on the topic. In fact, I would go as far as to claim that the format "Ontario, CA" unambiguously refers to the California city. I have yet to find any evidence of the Canadian province referred to as "Ontario, CA" and I have tried.On the other hand, this redirect has 29(!) links that all refer to the California city. -- Tavix (talk) 22:26, 15 March 2024 (UTC)- Assuming "Ontario, CA" always refers to the city in California is one of the most Americentrist takes I've ever read. LilianaUwU (talk / contributions) 22:58, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- It's not an assumption, it's a conclusion I've reached after multiple hours researching the topic. If you have evidence showing "Ontario, CA" referring to the province, I'd love to see it. I'm always happy to change my opinion in the face of new evidence. -- Tavix (talk) 23:10, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- I threw up 5 examples above that I found from a little bit of Googling via mobile. Canadians are absolutely trained to recognize "Ontario, CA", as referring to the province. Hey man im josh (talk) 23:29, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- It's not an assumption, it's a conclusion I've reached after multiple hours researching the topic. If you have evidence showing "Ontario, CA" referring to the province, I'd love to see it. I'm always happy to change my opinion in the face of new evidence. -- Tavix (talk) 23:10, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Assuming "Ontario, CA" always refers to the city in California is one of the most Americentrist takes I've ever read. LilianaUwU (talk / contributions) 22:58, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Ontario (disambiguation). This discussion has indicated that "CA" is not a clear identifier and can be interpreted as California or Canada. Utopes (talk / cont) 19:34, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Ontario (disambiguation). The redirect is ambiguous. A searcher copy-pasting this portion of an address could be looking for either target. ― Synpath 22:12, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Ontario (disambiguation) per above. I can't imagine I could explain it any differently than all these other comments, so I'll just leave it at "It could refer to both so it should go to somewhere that lists both". QuietHere (talk | contributions) 08:06, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Ontario (disambiguation): CA can be confused with California and being used as an abbreviation for Canada is not common in US sources. (My first thought on seeing this was "there's an Ontario in California?") StreetcarEnjoyer (talk) 02:58, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Ontario (disambiguation). I'm neither USAnian or Canadian and I have to say I hadn't even heard of Ontario in California, but after reading this discussion I think there are valid reasons for both the Canada and California places so it's best to retarget to the disambiguation page. JIP | Talk 08:37, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
2024 Polish farmer's protest
- ) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I suggest deleting it, because it's not grammatically correct redirection to an old name of this article. Karol739 (talk) 22:50, 14 March 2024 (UTC) Edit: I've made a typo, correct link for the redir is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Polish_farmer%27s_protest. Karol739 (talk) 22:51, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep both as a very plausible misspelling and a {{R from move}} (made less than 24 hours before this nomination). Thryduulf (talk) 00:58, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. I completely agree with Thryduulf's reasoning. Kk.urban (talk) 04:24, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
Geneva suggestions
- Geneva suggestions → Geneva Conventions (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Per
- This is a meme, often in the format "Geneva Convention? More like Geneva Suggestion", indicating that the one saying the phrase intends to commit war crimes. So, less an implausible misnomer, more a joke/meme redirect. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 21:54, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- That explains the orgin at least. Is there the possibility of adding content about the meme into the article? Or should it still be considered for deletion under criteria 8 (not being used in the article)? Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 22:03, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- could just retarget to Geneva Conventions#New challenges :^) 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 22:21, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Unfortunately I can't find enough information about it to get a concrete source-- the only things most search results come up with are people using the meme, or information on the Geneva Conventions themselves. Not notable enough to include in the article, which means... we shouldn't have this redirect. Delete. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 22:21, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- That explains the orgin at least. Is there the possibility of adding content about the meme into the article? Or should it still be considered for deletion under criteria 8 (not being used in the article)? Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 22:03, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- sounds like something max0r would say. delete as just barely not vandalism, and also as not mentioned in the target, and also as not notable enough to be mentioned in the target, and also as plain ol' innacurate cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 22:30, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- I wasn't expecting RfD to get me to binge Incorrect Summary lol. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 01:58, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - It's a meme-derived redirect that is not mentioned in the target article and doesn't seem like a plausible search term since the meme already indicates the actual thing it's referencing. - Aoidh (talk) 04:51, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete-This is a joke based redirect that would be utterly implausible for anybody genuinely interested in the Geneva Conventions to reach. Sincerely, Guessitsavis (she/they) (Talk) 11:25, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Very Weak Keep, (possibly my most futile keep !vote of all time), the article can still be interpreted as, (albeit mandatory and highly enforced to avoid crimes against humanity), "suggestions". If Geneva Rules wasn't already its own topic, I think that'd be an acceptable redirect to Geneva Conventions as well. All results for this term are in relationship to the Geneva Conventions, even if only offshoots of the "suggestions" joke. For people that don't know what the conventions are actually called, and only are aware from the "suggestions" meme version, this may have a usecase. Utopes (talk / cont) 19:43, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- I mean, the "suggestions" meme does typically drop the actual name in the setup to the joke, i.e. how I typed it out in my first comment... my own delete !vote still stands. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 01:54, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
Testicular ectomy
- Testicular ectomy → Castration (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I can find very little to support the idea of "ectomy" as its own word- the only thing I can find is our sister site Wiktionary's definition: wikt:ectomy. Every other resource I can find treats 'ectomy' as a suffix, not its own word. This therefore seems like a very unlikely search term. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 21:47, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Rename to testiculectomy - Testiculectomy is a likely search term for what is properly an orchiectomy. Searching that term on Google will include all the hits for orchiectomy for you (you may not want to click any of the links!) This demonstrates that Google already consider that one to be a likely redirect. The current redirect is not a likely search term (and, in fact, can be distracting for a couple of valid search terms). Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 08:32, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- welp, Testiculectomy exists now (it's a redirect to Orchiectomy) 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 20:59, 15 March 2024 (UTC)]
- OK then this one can go. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 21:11, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- tbf if you see a redirect in RFD that you think should be renamed, I suppose there's nothing stopping you from being WP:BOLD and creating that new redirect yourself 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 22:16, 15 March 2024 (UTC)]
- Behold, the reason voting to rename redirects is rare and hard to come by. They're-- dare I say it?-- WP:CHEAP. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 02:01, 16 March 2024 (UTC)]
- Behold, the reason voting to rename redirects is rare and hard to come by. They're-- dare I say it?--
- tbf if you see a redirect in RFD that you think should be renamed, I suppose there's nothing stopping you from being
- OK then this one can go. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 21:11, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- welp,
Mouhammed Diop(footballer, born 2000)
Monkeyz and Dolphinz
- Monkeyz → Petz#Petz since 2006 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Dolphinz → Petz#Petz since 2006 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Speaking of Petz, both of these redirects target a section that no longer exists. Notably, while the article also no longer mentions either of these by name, both refer to extant titles in the Petz series. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 19:28, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Forgot to add: Redirects were made in 2010, both by the same author. The section they pointed to was then deleted in August 2013, due to being, quote, "unsourced commentary." 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 19:32, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- and a quick part 2: I was going to notify the person who removed the section, but they seem to have left Wikipedia according to their talk page. With some rather angry words directed at ArbCom. Hm. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 19:39, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the ping, as I wouldn't have remembered that I had created these even if I saw them listed. Though I admit these redirects appear to be rarely used, I think the best thing to do would be to copyedit the article and include the other titles to give a complete picture of the series. The Gameplay section includes Pigz and Bunnyz, so including the other two wouldn't be that out of place (though arguably they could all be moved to a better section that lists the games). I'm unclear why the article would only include what it calls the "Main series" games, but exclude others, particularly when the infobox lists titles that are listed no where else in the article. Based on the existence of Catz: Your Computer Pet, which led to the other animals or games being considered commentary or extraneous. So essentially, I would !vote keep, but to also copyedit the page to expand on games in the series, though I don't want to make those edits while this discussion is inconclusive. —Ost (talk) 00:35, 15 March 2024 (UTC)]
- For the record, my listing here is mostly due to the 'refined to nonexistent section' issue, and I agree with you that if they were added back to the article (which they should be), these redirects (...redirectz?) need to be kept and refined to wherever in the article they now show up. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 05:45, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the clarification, which may have been in response to my rather detailed reply. I made some edits to the page, including an Animals section, but you may have a better idea for what section should include the content. From what I saw when searching, there may not be a Pigz game, though the animals were in some later Dogz titles. —Ost (talk) 04:37, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- For the record, my listing here is mostly due to the 'refined to nonexistent section' issue, and I agree with you that if they were added back to the article (which they should be), these redirects (...redirectz?) need to be kept and refined to wherever in the article they now show up. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 05:45, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
Central Booking
- Central Booking → Baltimore City District Courthouses#Central Booking (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This redirect should probably be deleted. "Central booking" is a generic term which can be and is used to refer to processing centers for arrestees in jurisdictions all over the United States. (I don't know if this applies to elsewhere in the English-speaking world). It certainly does not have a stronger association with Baltimore, Maryland than any other municipality, all of which have their own central booking. If this redirect isn't deleted, it should maybe be targeted to either the prison or arrest article. Dennis C. Abrams (talk) 19:06, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate There also appears to be a song by Talkback) 20:39, 14 March 2024 (UTC)]
?D
Not mentioned at the target, nor at List of emoticons. Existed as a one sentence article, for one minute, by an editor with one edit, named Muk-one, before being tagged as CSD gee-one, before finally becoming the redirect it is today. Utopes (talk / cont) 16:24, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. No emoji containing "?D" is listed at Emoticon or List of emoticons. Thryduulf (talk) 19:20, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
O)
Similarly to C), no version of "O)" or ":O)" exists at Emoticon nor List of emoticons. Unlike the technical variations with different punctuation such as hyphens and colons in title, those already have a strong correlation with emoticons. But in this case, with it being a letter followed by a punctuation mark, considering this as a letter might be safer than immediately assuming that "O)" is in reference to an unmentioned emoticon, even if the "o" might be seen as a nose sometimes. Utopes (talk / cont) 16:19, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Neither "O)" or ":O)" is listed at Emoticon or List of emoticons. Thryduulf (talk) 19:24, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
C)
C) is not listed at either Emoticon or List of emoticons, nor are there any technical variations such as a hypothetical ":C)", if it existed. I'm not convinced that the letter C followed by a punctuation is unambiguously in reference to an emoticon, as there are several topics related to either C or C (disambiguation) that a parenthesis could be in reference to. Utopes (talk / cont) 16:13, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. No emoji containing "C)" is listed at Emoticon or List of emoticons. Thryduulf (talk) 19:25, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
Template:Import-blanktable
- Template:Import-blanktable → Template:Row hover highlight (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This template was merged to {{row hover highlight}} after Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2022 July 4#Template:Import-blanktable. During the course of the merger, consensus was reached (discussion) to no longer support the class name used by this template as it was unintuitive (these templates work by enabling a css class to be used on a table). Therefore, I see this as a costly redirect given that the functionality previously provided by this template no longer works, and it is not a likely search term (did you guess that "import-blanktable" has anything to do with cursor highlights?). Nothing was actually merged from this template to the new one, so it is not needed for attribution purposes. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 16:09, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete after no more transclusions. Once the remaining transclusions are replaced by {{mw-datatable}} there is no longer any need for this template redirect. See: Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Import-blanktable. There are no transclusions remaining in articles. --Timeshifter (talk) 17:25, 14 March 2024 (UTC)]
Alien Baltan
Alien not mentioned at the target page. Utopes (talk / cont) 16:06, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: Not mentioned there, but is included in a lot of other related pages, to the point where I don't think there's another valid target but that it should go somewhere relevant. Tag with Template:R to article without mention and Template:R from fictional character, and maybe another editor will come along and add it later. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 08:02, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
;-;
- ;-; → List of emoticons (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- ; ; → Emoticon#Asian style (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- ;n; → List of emoticons (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Another set of emoticons with unexpectedly different targets. Using semicolons as eyes, but switching the mouth style, does not seem logical to have a difference in topics here, between the list and the general page. Utopes (talk / cont) 15:28, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Refine all to List of emoticons#Eastern. Might as well have the best of both worlds. Alternately, one could make an anchor on the appropriate part of the list and target there, although it's close enough to the top of the Eastern section that it's not hard to find from my suggestion. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 15:48, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
')
- ') → List of emoticons (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- '( → Emoticon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Another set of two emoticons, and in this case I'm really not seeing why :') would go one way and :'( would go the other. Utopes (talk / cont) 15:13, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Target both to the list, they both show up pretty early there. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 15:42, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- -
- - - → List of emoticons#Shame (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- - -; → Emoticon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- - -;; → Emoticon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- (- -) → List of emoticons#Shame (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Another set of emoticons with an unexpected difference in targets. This set consists of emoticons with hyphens for eyes, but the inclusion of a sweat semicolon is what separates these. Utopes (talk / cont) 15:09, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Given the examples given at List of emoticons#Shame includes one that has a sweat semicolon, I'd say target them all there. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 15:39, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I agree with targeting the last three to List of emoticons#Shame, but would it be a good idea to target "- -" to the dab page at "--" and perhaps adding a mention of the emoticon there? I feel like that could be more useful, but would that affect incoming links too much? ObserveOwl (chit-chat • my doings) 14:29, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, nevermind. Looking at the dab, I honestly don't expect anyone to type "- -" with a space while searching for any of the current entries on the dab. It is more likely that people are typing with an underscore, so yes, target them all to the emoticons list section. ObserveOwl (chit-chat • my doings) 14:48, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
-)
- -) → Emoticon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- -( → Emoticon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- -/ → List of emoticons (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- -\ → Emoticon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
A handful of emoticons structured like this are targets to either Emoticon or List of emoticons. In this case, these are all have the nose and mouth, although the eyes don't appear for technical reasons (but do at the page). I'm not seeking deletion, but rather that the difference in targets may be unexpected. Utopes (talk / cont) 14:51, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Seems harmless enough, and they do successfully get you where you need to go, even if they look a little ugly while doing it. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 14:55, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Utopes So... you're seeing utility in navigating readers to these two topics, but would prefer for the internal search engine to do that instead of short-circuiting to one of the two? Why? --Joy (talk) 14:55, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Both smiling emoticons, frowning emoticons, and slash emoticons are discussed at both the general emoticon page, and at the list of emoticons page. Among this particular set where the emoticons are structured nearly identically, the difference in targets does not seem expectable. Nothing about ":-/" would make someone think they were going to a list instead of the general page about emoticons. While still ongoing, Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 11#XD (Emoticon) has signaled that the overarching list might be a preferable target for individual emoticon redirects. (I'll emphasize in the nomination that I'm not seeking deletion here.) Utopes (talk / cont) 15:02, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- I admittedly missed the fact that they were going to different places. I'd point them to the list, as per Utopes. (This would be a Retarget for everything but :-/ ) 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 15:37, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Utopes it would be best to actually say where you want to retarget, because this made me think you want to delete them. --Joy (talk) 17:23, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Both smiling emoticons, frowning emoticons, and slash emoticons are discussed at both the general emoticon page, and at the list of emoticons page. Among this particular set where the emoticons are structured nearly identically, the difference in targets does not seem expectable. Nothing about ":-/" would make someone think they were going to a list instead of the general page about emoticons. While still ongoing, Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 11#XD (Emoticon) has signaled that the overarching list might be a preferable target for individual emoticon redirects. (I'll emphasize in the nomination that I'm not seeking deletion here.) Utopes (talk / cont) 15:02, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment These redirect eixst due to technical limitations - specifically page names cannot begin with a colon, leading colons are ignored in search strings (so e.g. "-" and ":-)" lead to exactly the same place) and have a technical meaning in links (e.g. for interwikis) so e.g. -) and -) ([[-)]] and [[:-)]]) lead to the same page. Thryduulf (talk) 19:27, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
Stuffedies
- Stuffedies → Stuffed toy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Stuffedie → Stuffed toy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Stuffedy → Stuffed toy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Does not appear on page with these names. Google searches don't seem to cough up support for any of the above being in-use terminology for stuffed toys. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 14:18, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Was heading over to the creator's talk page in order to notify, when I discovered... a memorial page. I... don't think they'll be offering any input on this one. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 14:27, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom on grounds that there doesn't seem to be a topic associated with these terms. Perhaps JuJube knew something we don't, but we appreciate their contributions to the project and honor their memory. ~ Pbritti (talk) 15:12, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: There seems to be a now-defunct plushy store site under that name, but it came afterwards and is unarchived. Otherwise, this doesn't seem a term that is used. StreetcarEnjoyer (talk) 01:41, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
Toy bunny
There are about a billion different ways to make a toy bunny that isn't a stuffed toy. Plastic, metal, wood... 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 14:11, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
Bunnyz
Does not appear on target page. Google search results indicate a spinoff of the Petz series. History contains a page dedicated to a single non-notable rabbit plush. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 13:59, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to ]
Bunion, tailor's
- Bunion, tailor's → Tailor's bunion (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Strangely formatted and essentially unused. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 13:35, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, this seems to be useless. JIP | Talk 13:40, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. This is almost the way it appears in the indexes etc of other sources so it's a plausible search term and completely harmless. Thryduulf (talk) 14:08, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep It's listed this way on MeSH and probably in other print sources, also it's a common indexing method like LASTNAME, FIRSTNAME. Kk.urban (talk) 04:27, 15 March 2024 (UTC)]
The Cyclone Money Crib
- The Cyclone Money Crib → A Financial Fable (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The alternative name "The Cyclone Money Crib" for "A Financial Fable" does not seem to exist. Googling for it only finds one page, on the Disney Wiki, where it appears to be pretty obvious that the Disney Wiki copied the content from Wikipedia. No incoming links for this redirect. Delete. JIP | Talk 13:16, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
The Icarus Lives EP
- The Icarus Lives EP → Periphery (band) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This EP does not appear to exist. Seems to have been confused with the single "Icarus Lives!" and the Icarus EP. I vote to delete. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 04:25, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
Delete as per nom.(I prefer the Madeon song, but that's neither here nor there.) 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 10:21, 14 March 2024 (UTC)- Weak keep: There is some coverage out there referring to the "Icarus EP" as the "Icarus Lives EP" (such as here and here), and the album is titled "Icarus Lives EP" (not "Icarus EP") on apple music and amazon music, so I'd say there's a reason for this redirect to exist. 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 11:46, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Honestly, the fact that it's currently being sold as Icarus Lives EP on Apple Music and Amazon Music is enough for me to change my vote to Keep. Nice find! 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 12:29, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Then perhaps it's just Periphery (band) which is mistaken on the title, and my mistake for trusting it to have that correct. Strange. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 06:21, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Not necessarily, given the album art for the EP does say that it is the "Icarus EP". I guess both titles are correct?? Correct enough for redirects, anyways. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 06:31, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- I'm guessing that the album was initially going to be called the Icarus Lives EP (and was initially announced as such), then they realized it sounded a bit scuffed so they renamed it to Icarus EP, but they weren't able to change the name of it on the online storefronts, or something else along those lines. 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 15:18, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Not necessarily, given the album art for the EP does say that it is the "Icarus EP". I guess both titles are correct?? Correct enough for redirects, anyways. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 06:31, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per HotMess. Thryduulf (talk) 14:09, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Withdrawing this given everything HotMess and Lunamann wrote above. It's close enough to be considered a valid alternate title, and it's not getting in the way of anything. Thanks everyone for your helpful responses. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 07:53, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
Deepak Hosptial (Medtiya Nagar) metro station
- Deepak Hosptial (Medtiya Nagar) metro station → List of Mumbai Metro stations (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Delete per other pages with "Hosptial" in its page title, and
- Deliete as per nom. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 10:21, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
"Politically Incorrect"
I don't believe this redirect name with quotes is necessary, especially considering the article Politically Incorrect (without quotes) already exists and covers a completely different topic (and links to a disambiguation page that leads to /pol/). Bsoyka (t • c • g) 02:54, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 04:26, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. If kept, retarget to Politically Incorrect (disambiguation) 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 11:35, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- "Delete" per nom. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:36, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. WP:TSC states to avoid using quotation marks. Of course, this is a redirect, but I see no reason not to follow the policy. I assume strings like this can mess with searching. ― Synpath 00:26, 16 March 2024 (UTC)]
Evan Young (YouTuber)
- Evan Young (YouTuber) → SSSniperWolf (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Redirects to a person who the target is in a legal dispute with, but aside from that is unrelated. Geardona (talk to me?) 01:47, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Weak retarget to SSSniperWolf#Legal dispute with Evan Young: seeing as that's where the information related to him on Wikipedia actually is 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 11:21, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per HotMess. Thryduulf (talk) 11:51, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
Virginia campaign
- Virginia campaign → Battle of the Wilderness (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Virginia Campaign → Battle of the Wilderness (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Virginia campaign of 1864 → Battle of the Wilderness (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Virginia Campaign of 1864 → Battle of the Wilderness (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Clearly the current target is too specific. The 1864 versions could potentially be disambiguated between the
- Retarget the following:
- The latter retarget includes a five-way hatnote that includes all three pages listed by nom as potential dab targets. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 11:33, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
Wow something I did on Wikipedia 18 years ago. Anyway yes I agree the redirect is too specific and I think the proposed changes are reasonable. David (talk) 15:54, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment as nom I support the retargets for the 1864 versions above, but still feel deletion is best for the unqualified versions due to ambiguity. For instance, in addition to numerous ACW campaigns, it may also refer to the Yorktown campaign of the Revolutionary War; enwiki's article gives it explicitly as an alternative title. Google hits are mostly unrelated to either war. Mdewman6 (talk) 18:47, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- I suppose disamabiguation at Virginia campaign (with the capitalized version retargeted there) may be better than deletion. I have drafted a dab page under the redirect. Mdewman6 (talk) 19:12, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Tossing my support on here. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 19:20, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- I suppose disamabiguation at Virginia campaign (with the capitalized version retargeted there) may be better than deletion. I have drafted a dab page under the redirect. Mdewman6 (talk) 19:12, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support DAB page per Mdewman6 and retarget per Lunamann. - Talkback) 20:40, 14 March 2024 (UTC)]
Sultanate of Morocco
A more helpful redirect would be to History of Morocco. Morocco's heads of state are presently maliks, not sultans. asilvering (talk) 01:00, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support. "Sultanate of Morocco" is very vague, so a general article like History of Morocco is the best bet. R Prazeres (talk) 01:16, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per nom --Lenticel (talk) 03:02, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate: This is plausible search term for multiple subjects, including the Alawi dynasty and List of rulers of Morocco, which were at one time sultans. I say include History of Morocco as another listed item in such a disambiguation. ~ Pbritti (talk) 15:10, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate per Pbritti, if the reader is searching for this term they are presumably not searching for modern Morocco, but it's open to what they would actually be searching for. CMD (talk) 07:15, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
Le geek
Le utterly redundant 'le' redirect has arrived (and is very likely to promptly depart from the face of wikipedia). 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 00:55, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Man, talk about a blast from the past. I don't see why a way of saying something like you would in an unfunny meme a decade ago is a plausible search term/redirect. ~ Pbritti (talk) 02:12, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- there were a few more like this in yesterday's discussions as well 🙃 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 11:29, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per HotMess and Pbritti. Kk.urban (talk) 04:33, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Unneeded meme redirect StreetcarEnjoyer (talk) 17:53, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
EasyTimeline syntax
- EasyTimeline syntax → Help:EasyTimeline syntax (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Eastern Huasteca Nahuatl phonology
- Eastern Huasteca Nahuatl phonology → Help:IPA/Nahuatl (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Retarget toNahuatl phonology 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 01:21, 14 March 2024 (UTC)]- EDIT: Retarget to Huasteca Nahuatl#Phonology per the wub 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 11:24, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget, but to Huasteca Nahuatl#Phonology. the wub "?!" 09:27, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
Latin Orthodox Catholic Christian
- Latin Orthodox Catholic Christian → Latin Church (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Does not seem to be a plausible term or phrase regardless of where it redirects. I tried searching for the phrase using a couple of different search engines and could not find anything that contains that exact phrase. No other Wikipedia article links to it. It was created in 2011 by a user for whom this is their one and only edit. I know redirects are cheap, but there is no harm in deleting this redirect. — Archer1234 (t·c) 00:00, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Bettering the Wiki (talk) 01:10, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: as nominator — Archer1234 (t·c) 01:14, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: In some corners of the Catholic forum/blog world–particularly portions that saw their heyday c. 2003–this is a term that someone could have plausibly invented. However, it's an implausible search term that I've never seen despite years of looking at stuff about this topic. ~ Pbritti (talk) 02:10, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: getting some major self-contradictory Reformed Orthodox Rabbi Bill Clinton vibes from this redirect ngl 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 12:36, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
March 13
EasyEnglish
- EasyEnglish → Wycliffe Global Alliance#Associated organisations (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Delete. This is
- Comment: Well, EasyEnglish does exist, and was produced by MissionAssist, an associated organization of Wycliffe Global Alliance, so I can understand the rationale behind this redirect existing. 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 01:04, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
Le stay inside man
- Le stay inside man → Agoraphobia (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Le STAY Inside Man → Agoraphobia (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
> browsing wikipedia instead of having a life
> le funny shitpost greentext redirects have arrived
> chuckle to self
> realize that they're inevitably gonna get RFD'd and deleted at some point
> cry inside
> idea
> send them out in style befitting the shitposty nature of them
> smile
> remember that it's all meaningless and won't change the outcome anyway
> continue to cry inside whilst bemoaning my lack of a life
Anyway I suggest we delete these. 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 22:42, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Le deletion as per nom. No sense in keeping an ancient, no-longer-relevant meme redirect. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 11:38, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Pwn - delete as unnecessary meme redirect with 0 views in the last 90 days
- StreetcarEnjoyer (talk) 17:35, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
Controversy over study buddies for international students in China
- Controversy over study buddies for international students in China → Shandong University (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Unlikely search term that is a bit generic and may or may not refer to Shandong University. LibStar (talk) 22:30, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Looking at the page history, it appears that the former contents of that page got merged into the final sentence of Shandong University#Recent history (1980–present), after it got PRODded yesterday (see this version of the page). Not sure off the top of my head what the protocol for this situation is, but I suppose that knowing the context may be of some use for this discussion. 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 22:52, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: I'm the editor who originally PRODded the article, and I still think there should not be an article on this, for the reasons I stated there (it's not an encyclopedic topic, just a one-off event). I agree with the nominator that even if this content is preserved somewhere else, the present redirect is not a likely search term. The only reason I can see for keeping it is to avoid breaking incoming links, but there are very few of those anyway (few enough that it would be trivial to manually fix them), and most of them are just see-alsos in articles with no more than a vague relationship to this one.
My only caveat is that almost-blanking the page and then deleting the redirect might be seen as having sneakily deleted the article while circumventing AfD. Deleting the article is the outcome I favor anyway, but I can understand if others might see this as unfair. 2001:49D0:8511:2:61FD:D141:8697:4A7F (talk) 15:27, 18 March 2024 (UTC) - If both PROD and BLAR are contested then the content should be restored and sent to AfD. Thryduulf (talk) 15:55, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Restore and ship to AfD as per Thryduulf. There's a sneaking suspicion that we have a cold front coming in, looking at the article, but if it's contested, then I do think the contest should be given a proper arena. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 19:24, 18 March 2024 (UTC)]
St. Stephen's International School
- St. Stephen's International School → St. Stephen's School Rome (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
St. Stephen's School Rome is not known as "St. Stephen's International School". Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:17, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep The article refers to the school as an "International School" in the infobox, and this is an {{Talkback) 22:47, 28 February 2024 (UTC)]
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- Weak keep: Looking at their 'about' on their website (https://www.sssrome.it/about/welcome-to-st-stephens), the
<title>
of it isSt. Stephen's International School | Welcome to St. Stephen's | St Stephen's School
- the school's still using 'St. Stephen's International School' within its branding and such, so I'd say the redirect does make sense. 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 23:36, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
Contemporary capitalism
- Contemporary capitalism → Capitalism (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This phrase is mentioned in the target article at
]- Retarget to Talkback) 22:16, 4 March 2024 (UTC)]
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"Job creator(s)" and "Job creation"
- Job creator → Employment (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Job creators → Capitalism (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Job creation → Unemployment#Remedies (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Seems unclear what the target of these redirects should be. Honestly, I'm surprised that their target is not Company, though I guess an Economy could, in theory, create jobs as well. Hmm, even a Government can create jobs... Steel1943 (talk) 21:48, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. The first two should definitely lead to the same page, I can see arguments both ways for the third. Job creation scheme to point there rather than the top of that article) but it reflects only one use of the term. I'm not sure about employment as a target, it's a better fit for job creation than job creator(s) I think, but not perfect. More thinking required. Thryduulf (talk) 23:27, 28 February 2024 (UTC)]
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- Delete unless someone can find reliable sources that define idiomatic uses of the term, and we find somewhere to target the redirects. For "job creator(s)", I'd be fine with soft redirects to "job creator" and "job creators", respectively. Paradoctor (talk) 14:05, 14 March 2024 (UTC)]
Contract labor
- Contract labor → Employment (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Contract labour → Employment (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Contract Labour → Employment (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Since the subjects of these redirects probably refer to work done on a contract basis, I do not believe the current target or its section Employment#Independent contractor to be the best target for these redirects. From what I found, the best fit for these redirects is probably retarget to Employment contract. Steel1943 (talk) 23:52, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- Refine to Talkback) 02:54, 29 February 2024 (UTC)]
- The way Employment#Independent contractor is currently written defines the term in a fashion akin to describing a "gig worker", which is not contracted labor but rather labor that can be done at almost the leisure of the worker ... which is why I really do not believe readers searching these redirects are looking for that subject. Steel1943 (talk) 02:58, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
- Then we have different definitions of "contract labor," which is synonymous to "independent contractor" to me. Talkback) 03:12, 29 February 2024 (UTC)]
- Maybe this is grounds for a DAB or hat? 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 02:15, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- I would be fine with a DAB. I doubt that one is really a primary topic over the other. It's just a matter of how you define it, I suppose. Talkback) 00:07, 14 March 2024 (UTC)]
- I would be fine with a DAB. I doubt that one is really a primary topic over the other. It's just a matter of how you define it, I suppose.
- Maybe this is grounds for a DAB or hat? 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 02:15, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- Then we have different definitions of "contract labor," which is synonymous to "independent contractor" to me.
- The way Employment#Independent contractor is currently written defines the term in a fashion akin to describing a "gig worker", which is not contracted labor but rather labor that can be done at almost the leisure of the worker ... which is why I really do not believe readers searching these redirects are looking for that subject. Steel1943 (talk) 02:58, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
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2,6-Dinitrotoluene
- 2,6-Dinitrotoluene → Dinitrotoluene (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Please delete. Redirect is circular when starting from target dab page; arguably squatting on article namespace and certainly matches
- Delete: per nom 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 22:53, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete unhelpful redirect. It would make sense to keep it if Dinitrotoluene provided useful summaries of the isomers, but it does not. ― Synpath 23:07, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom --Lenticel (talk) 00:11, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
Power of Two
- Power of Two → Swamp Ophelia (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Ambiguous, and I don't see the song as
- Retarget either proposal is sensible to me. Unrelated: your signature is infuriating for how it has such a gradual incline. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:29, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Initially, I had planned to place it vertically, but then my medication kicked in. ;) Paradoctor (talk) 21:42, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Power of two. Seems to be the primary topic and there's a hatnote pointing to the dab anyways. --Lenticel (talk) 00:12, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
List of "Cops/COPS/C.O.P.S." episodes
- ) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- List of COPS episodes → COPS (animated TV series)#Episodes (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- List of C.O.P.S. episodes → COPS (animated TV series)#Episodes (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I know we just had a discussion for
- Keep. Disambiguate with hatnotes at the target sections. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:02, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
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- Nominator comment: At the minimum, I think List of COPS episodes should be retargeted to Cops (TV program)#Episodes per the "COPS" confusion and since the show with 30+ seasons is significantly more notable than a show which aired for one season almost 40 years ago. Steel1943 (talk) 04:54, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to dab page. Create a list of episode redirect for each series using their main article title and disambiguation. Gonnym (talk) 10:34, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget the COPS one to Cops (TV program)#Episodes, keep the others: per Steel1943, and maybe disambiguate with {{redirect}} hatnotes in those sections in the articles 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 23:01, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
Finnster
Jonathan Medina
- Jonathan Medina → Jhonnatan Medina-Álvarez (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Redirects from an an actor who doesn't have a page to a random tennis player Heyallkatehere (talk) 08:27, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep or covert to DAB page. Google search shows results for this as an alternate name for the tennis player. Actor, footballer and an athlete all link to page, so could also convert to disambiguation page. Jevansen (talk) 08:35, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
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Draft:Skånska Socialdemokratiska Partiet
- Draft:Skånska Socialdemokratiska Partiet → Feminist Initiative (Sweden) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Bogus draft redirect. Vif12vf/Tiberius (talk) 01:50, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. This was a draft article in Swedish about the same topic as the target page so ]
- Comment This was a draft that was tagged for speedy deletion that I turned into a redirect because I thought it might be a possible search term. I also wasn't positive about the status of the content as a hoax and this was my solution because it preserved the content that could be reviewed later by an editor with a deeper knowledge of the subject matter. I have no investment in this redirect but you might notify the draft creator if that hasn't been done yet. They aren't very active but they did edit in February. Liz Read! Talk! 03:48, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
- A google search turns up with nothing, and there is no party or branch of the Swedish social democrats with this name. It quite frankly does not exist! The name also does not indicate any supposed affiliation with FI, but with the social democrats. Vif12vf/Tiberius (talk) 20:11, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:WikiProject Elections and Referenda/Overview of results
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Elections and Referenda/Overview of results → Elections by country (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Elections and Referendums/Overview of results → Elections by country (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Bunch of confusing/unlikely
- The first redirect is an {{WP:CHEAP - these don't have some of the same potential issues as XNRs from mainspace, in that (for example) there's no risk of a reader accidentally falling through a 'trap-door' to projectspace. All the best, —a smart kitten[meow] 23:13, 5 March 2024 (UTC)]
- Note: Notified Wikipedia:WikiProject Elections and Referendums about this discussion. All the best, —a smart kitten[meow] 23:13, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
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Ownership of articles
- Ownership of articles → Wikipedia:Ownership of content (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Cross namespace redirect with only links to mostly discussion archives. It is unlikely for users to link this page whatsoever. Toadette (Let's discuss together!) 19:04, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Copyright#Ownership as it's the closest thing I can think of to the topic described by the redirect name. Lunamann 🌙🌙🌙 The Moooooooniest (talk) 19:15, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Wikipedia:Ownership of articles redirects. Looking at Google results, the most common result is internal policies on various wikis (at least some of them probably inspired by our policy), followed by queries about/discussion of the policy on Wikipedia (a mix of UGC and academic discourse). Looking for hits unrelated to Wikis, there are results regarding copyright (especially of works produced by academics), copyright/ownership of website articles (especially knowledge base articles), and ownership of physical property (e.g. relation to pawn brokers and marriage). I don't support retargetting to copyright#Ownership as that's too deep in the article and too short to really help most people without all the preceding context. Ownership is the best target I've found as while it's more general than the search term is looking for, it does cover all aspects of ownership and contains a hatnote to the current target. Thryduulf (talk) 19:49, 5 March 2024 (UTC)]
- Weak retarget though Google for this term in quotes mainly returns Wikipedia it does return other uses. Unlike say Articles for deletion it doesn't seem like a particularly likely search term especially given the project page was renamed to "content" to reflect its not just articles. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:55, 5 March 2024 (UTC)]
- Delete There's an issue over the ownership of articles published in academic journals, so there is a possible encyclopedic article that could use this title. The assignments of copyrights of journal articles to the journal publisher a thing that happens, and has garnered some controversy and pushback. -- 65.92.247.66 (talk) 05:58, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
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- @Crouch, Swale: which target are you proposing to retarget to? Lunamann and I have suggested different ones. Thryduulf (talk) 12:01, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Thryduulf: Copyright#Ownership though it doesn't seem like a very good target to it might just be better to delete. Crouch, Swale (talk) 12:12, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
South Central region
Wikipedia:SURVEY
France 2024
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 September 3 § China 2008 – Retarget to 2008 in China
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 September 3 § Brazil 2016 – Retarget to 2016 in Brazil
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 September 6 § Italy 2026 – Delete (no appropriate retarget option at the time)
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2019 September 26 § Japan 2020 – Delete all (China 2022, France 2024, and USA 2028 were included)
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 24 § CountryName Year redirects to events – Delete all 10 (no appropriate retarget option at the time)
- Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 February 20 § Qatar 2023 – Retarget to 2023 in Qatar
- France 2024 → 2024 Summer Olympics (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Bringing this here based on a dispute with Abhiramakella. Based on consensus in past discussions, including one that resulted in the deletion of this redirect in the past, CountryName YYYY redirects are not unambiguously associated with events. Proposing to redirect to 2024 in France, which wasn't an option at the time this redirect was last deleted. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:39, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget as per nom and per consensus from past discussions. Seems legit to me. Lunamann 🌙🌙🌙 The Moooooooniest (talk) 16:43, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all As overly vague. As an aside, I noticed someone recreated many of the older "Foo 20XX" redirects that had been deleted previously. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 19:14, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Zxcvbnm: Do you have an example of any of these that were recreated after being previously deleted? The reason these were previously deleted would be contextually relevant, as a couple of these past deletions had no relevant target pages to retarget to. Hey man im josh (talk) 20:03, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 07:16, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to 2024 in France: per nomination, seems a better for it. StreetcarEnjoyer (talk) 17:40, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
Pappoos
Not mentioned in target article, leaving the connection between the redirect and the target unclear. Most likely, this is a
]- Delete. Trying to search around, and am getting vague, spotty references to the comic book character being referred to as "Pappoos" or "Pappus" in another language. I think we can chalnk this up to WP:FORRED. Lunamann 🌙🌙🌙 The Moooooooniest (talk) 13:07, 5 March 2024 (UTC)]
- Delete as best I can tell this relates to a Malayalam animated cartoon "based on" the target (but that's based on unreliable sources so may be incorrect). Putting "Pappoos" into Google Translate and asking it for Malayalam gives "പപ്പൂസ്", searching that does back up the connection so I think we can safely say this is a ]
- Consider redirecting to Papoose as a possible misspelling – Pappoose already redirects there, and differs by only the presence of one silent character. — BarrelProof (talk) 22:53, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Delete or retarget?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 07:15, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
Barphic
The term "barphic" is not mentioned at the target article, nor is it mentioned anywhere on Wikipedia. Utopes (talk / cont) 05:56, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: could be an incredibly unlikely double-typo for 'graphic', but I can't see any traces of this word existing anywhere 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 19:23, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Other than that one Usenet post there seems to be nothing else suggesting this was used or refers to ASCII art. StreetcarEnjoyer (talk) 17:50, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
Look of disapproval
- Look of disapproval → List of emoticons#Western (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Without any other context, I feel that a look of disapproval would be quite associated with Disappointment and Regret, and not exclusively a stare-emoticon. This term is otherwise vague for looks of disapproval. Utopes (talk / cont) 04:52, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Disappointment. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 13:46, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Disappointment can be a motive, but disapproval can just as well be accompanied by satisfaction, if one personally dislikes the perp. Paradoctor (talk) 22:23, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- I was hoping there would be more intuitive/related content at ]
- Refine to ಠ_ಠ.
- While the expression "look of disapproval" exists, it is not idiomatic, it's meaning completely derives from its parts. Should sourcable idiomatic uses other than the emoticon become known in the future, we'll disambiguate. Paradoctor (talk) 22:04, 18 March 2024 (UTC)]
List of common emoticons
Le Lenny Face
- Le Lenny Face → List of emoticons (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Is not referred to as "Le Lenny Face" anywhere at the target article. The grammatical article of "le" obfuscates the search term and is as useful as attaching "the" to any subject (i.e. not that useful). Utopes (talk / cont) 04:41, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
Weak Keep.This is a name for ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) -- an emoticon that does appear on the list. Not entirely certain how much precedent there is for appending "Le-" to the front, though. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 09:26, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, ]
- Hm. Well, in that case, updating to Weak refine to List_of_emoticons#Lenny_Face to match those. If we keep this, it might as well go right to the emoticon actually described as a Lenny Face. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 13:34, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, ]
- Weak Retarget to List of emoticons#Lenny Face: If le lenny face is gonna be kept, may as well retarget it to le lenny face. 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 19:24, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Nobody has made an argument for keeping the "le-" version, Lunamann says above that they don't know how much precedent the "le-" has while saying "if we keep this". Utopes (talk / cont) 19:36, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- True. In terms of reasons to keep it - in both of the sources cited for Lenny Face in List of emoticons#Lenny Face, it is acknowleged as being "le lenny face". But in terms of reasons to delete it - it looks like most of the existing 'le' redirects out there either exist for reasons related to French or are blatantly RFD-worthy shitpost redirects. 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 23:22, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Nobody has made an argument for keeping the "le-" version, Lunamann says above that they don't know how much precedent the "le-" has while saying "if we keep this". Utopes (talk / cont) 19:36, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and refine to List of emoticons#Lenny Face. Alternative name per KnowYourMeme and Dictionary.com. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paradoctor (talk • contribs) 22:14, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- P.S.: Both refs in the list entry mention "Le Lenny Face" as an alternative name. Paradoctor (talk) 22:16, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
Desu face
Not mentioned at the target page, nor anywhere on Wikipedia. Contains very crufty 2008 edits (all unsourced of course). Utopes (talk / cont) 04:39, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Of the examples that show up in the 2008-era articles,
•^•
does not appear on the list, while:<
simply shows up under the entry for Frown. (>:
is simply a backwards version of the latter.) 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 22:45, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
Keyboard faces
Emoji are also keyboard faces, but the title is vague enough that the current target is probably not the most suitable, if any. Contains 2 edits of June 2009 history. While it looks like patrollers were lax about the "online emotions" unsourced cruft list, let's just say that NPP today would not approve of the immediate CSD within 2 minutes of creation and conversion into a redirect immediately after 💀. (Looking back on it, at least the text was legible so it wouldn't be complete nonsense imo). Nevertheless, very 2009 :v Utopes (talk / cont) 04:14, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
List of online emotions
The target page is certainly not a list of emotions that you can experience online. Contains 4 edits worth of May 2008 history before evaporating into a redirect. Quite 2008 I'd say :v Utopes (talk / cont) 04:10, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, this doesn't seem like a plausible way to describe "emoticons". Kk.urban (talk) 05:11, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Even if you ignored nom and Kk.urban's very poignant talking points, the current target isn't even a list. Did the author want to target to List of emoji. Just chuck it in the bin. ò~ó 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 10:52, 13 March 2024 (UTC)]
- Delete per above --Lenticel (talk) 00:14, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
Kao maaku
Neither "Kao maaku" nor "maaku" are mentioned at the target page. Utopes (talk / cont) 04:06, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
Weak delete. Potentially meant to refer to Kaomoji? 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 04:32, 13 March 2024 (UTC)- Retarget to Kaomoji. It took some digging, but Kao maaku is (was?) definitely used as a synonym for kaomoji. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 13:54, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
Eastern-style emoticon
- Eastern-style emoticon → Emoticon#Japanese style (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
No mention of "eastern" nor "eastern-style" emoticons that are named in this specific way at the target page. There is also no "Japanese style" section at the target page. Utopes (talk / cont) 04:05, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
Keep,'eastern' is a plausible method of describing things of Chinese and Japanese origin. (Edit: The correct target IS there, am on mobile and it's hard to swap between the two and check but I think it's the Kaomoji section) 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 04:24, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Re edit: There is no section titled "Japanese style" at the target page. Utopes (talk / cont) 04:34, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Found it-- the section existed, it just wasn't under "Japanese style". Re-refine to Emoticon#Kaomoji (Japan ASCII movement) or Retarget to Kaomoji. (Either works, given the former hatnotes to the latter.)𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 10:37, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Re edit: There is no section titled "Japanese style" at the target page. Utopes (talk / cont) 04:34, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Emoticon#Kaomoji (Japan ASCII movement). The Japanese, Chinese and Korean styles used to be grouped into one heading in the aticle but are now split over three, starting with the Japanese so readers looking for Chinese or Korean can just continue reading. Thryduulf (talk) 12:17, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
Thread emoji
- Thread emoji → Emoticon#Unicode (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
No mention of threads at the target article. Any emoji can be used in a thread, and is not automatically an emoticon. The refinement of Unicode is also not particularly specific to threads either. Utopes (talk / cont) 04:04, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
Delete.The section redirected to does pertain to emoji-- specifically, pointing out that a subset of emoji, the ones depicting faces, are referred to as "emoticons". However, as nom points out, nothing on this entire page pertains to 'threads', except perhaps the idea elsewhere on the page that certain emoticons/kaomoji come from 4chan or 2channel. (Emoticons/kaomoji, for the record, that are not emoji, and thus don't pertain to the section being redirected to.) (9_9) 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 12:05, 13 March 2024 (UTC)- Retarget to 🧵 itself redirects to Thread (yarn), and I've added a hatnote pointing to Thread (online communication) and the supplemental symbols there. Thryduulf (talk) 12:28, 13 March 2024 (UTC)]
- Redirect - 🧵 is indeed what I was thinking of when I created the redirect, looking to either copy the symbol or find its code point. Given the hatnote there, Thread (yarn) is indeed a better target, and loads more helpful than just a Unicode table. Well done, Thryduulf. -- Beland (talk) 17:25, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget as per Thryduulf and Beland. Thank you! 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 11:41, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
Awesome face
- Awesome face → Emoticon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Awesome Face → Emoticon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
There is no mention of "Awesome face" at the target article, nor anywhere on Wikipedia for that matter. Utopes (talk / cont) 03:59, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. If this is what I think it is (the 2000s-era proto-emoji meme face), this is not an emoticon in the first place (as an emoticon is constructed using text characters). Barring a better target, just delete. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 10:46, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
Restore this version of Awesome Face and retarget Awesome face to it, without prejudice to AfD. I don't know that deletion is inevitable, as if sourceable it might make sense to merge it to Smiley (not a question for RfD). Thryduulf (talk) 12:36, 13 March 2024 (UTC)- Hm. Y'know, I don't think I'd normally be opposed to this. However...Noteably, the article (proto-article?) shown doesn't link to any sources, but does describe a few pages regarding the Awesome Face. Unfortunately, while researching in order to find them, I came across... this. The current Know Your Meme article on this topic has a near word for word copy of this proto-article as part of their own article on the subject, with most deviations from it probably able to be chalked up to the fact that our version was BLAR'd 12 years ago, while KYM's was updated and worked on. I don't want to say that KYM copied from us-- it's just as likely that this is copying KYM.If this article gets restored, it won't just need sources, it will require a complete rewrite in order to evade accusations of plagiarism. (At the very least, KYM has all of the sources implied by our version of the article.) 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 13:11, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- After some further digging, I am now reasonably certain that that version of the article is blatant nuked with the force of a thousand suns. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 15:57, 13 March 2024 (UTC)]
- I agree with the assessment that the only edit at Awesome Face is an exact copy-paste-without-attribution from KnowYourMeme with zero valid, original content. Utopes (talk / cont) 19:40, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- After some further digging, I am now reasonably certain that that version of the article is blatant
- Hm. Y'know, I don't think I'd normally be opposed to this. However...Noteably, the article (proto-article?) shown doesn't link to any sources, but does describe a few pages regarding the Awesome Face. Unfortunately, while researching in order to find them, I came across... this. The current Know Your Meme article on this topic has a near word for word copy of this proto-article as part of their own article on the subject, with most deviations from it probably able to be chalked up to the fact that our version was BLAR'd 12 years ago, while KYM's was updated and worked on. I don't want to say that KYM copied from us-- it's just as likely that this is copying KYM.If this article gets restored, it won't just need sources, it will require a complete rewrite in order to evade accusations of plagiarism. (At the very least, KYM has all of the sources implied by our version of the article.) 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 13:11, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
Facial Expression Markup Language
- Facial Expression Markup Language → Emoticon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The target page is not about Facial Expression Markup Language, and "markup language" does not occur anywhere in the body of the article. Perhaps in the past there used to be something here, but that does not seem to be the case anymore. Utopes (talk / cont) 03:58, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Virtual Human Markup Language which doesn't use the exact phrase but does mention facial expressions and is about the same topic that google hits indicate is the main meaning. Thryduulf (talk) 12:41, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
Colon Bracket
A vague name that is not mentioned at the target page, yet can reasonably imply other punctuation topics. The history is possibly the most 2005 of them all, created in 6 edits by an editors' only 6 edits. However, it has dubious usefulness as a redirect here. Utopes (talk / cont) 03:56, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as per nom. Seems to denote
:]
or:[
, which can indeed be emoticons, but I'm not sure this 'spelling out' of an emoticon is a useful and plausible search term? ...What, is it meant for people searching for emoticons using speech to text?? (6_9) 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 12:11, 13 March 2024 (UTC) - Keep. Very clearly takes people to the content they are looking for, it's not ambiguous or in the way of anything else so it's both helpful and harmless. Thryduulf (talk) 12:42, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
Less than three
- Less than three → Emoticon#Western (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
While a heart can definitely be formed as <3, this is still a general statement that does not apply to emoticons alone. It's pointed here for a while, yet there's also Less Than Three with different caps. Utopes (talk / cont) 03:52, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Dabify: Move the existing ]
- Retarget to Less than 3 without prejudice to swapping that page with this redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 12:43, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Move Less than 3 to here, as per Rosbif73. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 11:45, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
List of smiley codes
The phrase "smiley code" is not mentioned anywhere on Wikipedia, and this page is certainly not a list of them. Has some 2005 cruft history to list the three primary emotions that humans can muster: Happy, Sad, and Money Smiley. Utopes (talk / cont) 03:49, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
Smarticon
"Smarticon" not mentioned at the target page, nor anywhere on Wikipedia for that matter. Utopes (talk / cont) 03:46, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- While this redirect was certainly correct in 2007 and I still use it the same way sometimes these days, a quick Internet search shows that the use of the word has changed over the last 17 years. Fine by me to change/delete/keep it. Looking through the other redirect discussions: thanks for your work. RichiH (talk) 07:12, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
Midget emoticon
"Midget" is not mentioned anywhere at the page, much less "midget emoticon", which isn't mentioned anywhere. Contains one edit worth of 2005 cruft swiftly removed. Utopes (talk / cont) 03:45, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Seems safe, and prudent, to remove entirely. RichiH (talk) 07:14, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom --Lenticel (talk) 00:16, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
Facebook Emoticons
Facebook is not discussed at the target page; emoticons exist on all platforms regardless of the host, so there's nothing to be gained from a specific redirect here. (Does contain some very 2009-esque history though). Utopes (talk / cont) 03:44, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. No mention at target. The history is cute. :3 –CopperyMarrow15 (talk | edits) Feel free to ping me! 01:02, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
Chalamius
No mention of "Chalamius" at the target page, nor anywhere on Wikipedia for that matter. Utopes (talk / cont) 03:42, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete GSearch just turns up Urban Dictionary and a bunch of user names for different websites --Lenticel (talk) 00:17, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
Verticon
- Verticon → Emoticon#East Asian style (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Verticons → Emoticon#Asian style (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
No mention of "Verticon" at the target page, nor anywhere on Wikipedia besides in a section of ASCII art as a section header without any meaningful content nor specific description. Utopes (talk / cont) 03:41, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
Photocon
No mention of "Photocon" at the target page, nor anywhere else on Wikipedia. PhotoCON is a pretty safe retargeting option, but perhaps there's a reason for this redirect to exist that I'm not familiar with. Utopes (talk / cont) 03:39, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to PhotoCON for now as plausible caps variant. I think it could also point to a photography conference or contest article but we don't have those. --Lenticel (talk) 00:20, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
Epic Face
No mention of "Epic Face" at the target page, nor anywhere on Wikipedia for that matter. Utopes (talk / cont) 03:38, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- This is a synonym of Awesome Face, so if that is restored (as I recommend at #Awesome Face) then this should be retargetted to it. Thryduulf (talk) 12:45, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Given this was originally a redirect to Awesome Face and then got retargeted to Emoticon as an {{R from avoided double redirect}}, I'm Supporting Thryduulf on this one, in that if Awesome Face is restored or rewritten, this should be retargeted to it. That said, given what I brought up, I'm not so sure that will happen, so, barring that, delete. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 13:26, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
Japanese Emotions
Japanese emotions are not purely "emoticons", even if some emoticons are Japanese. Misleading and unhelpful redirect, not discussed anywhere at the target page. Utopes (talk / cont) 03:37, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Kaomoji, a Japanese emoticon-link art form that predates modern emoticons, was on (very old, c. 2006) versions of emoticon, and likely was the intended subject of this title. Bernanke's Crossbow (talk) 21:24, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete this _onfusing misspelling. ― Synpath 23:00, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Japanese people can feel emotion and are not limited to text based representation. StreetcarEnjoyer (talk) 17:44, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
Graemlin
No mention of "Graemlin" at the target page, nor anywhere on Wikipedia for that matter. Utopes (talk / cont) 03:36, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Google tells me that Graemlin is a computer model - "General and robust alignment of multiple large interaction networks" but I don't understand enough of results to say more. Whatever it is though it's not related to emoticons. Thryduulf (talk) 12:48, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above --Lenticel (talk) 00:21, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
Emotext
Section title no longer exists. No mention of "EmoteXT" or "Emotext" anywhere on Wikipedia. Utopes (talk / cont) 03:36, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment This was merged and redirected following Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Emotext (2006). Unfortunately the Wikiblame tool is currently giving me timeout errors when trying to find when and why it was removed. Thryduulf (talk) 12:52, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- The "Emotext" section of Emoticon appears to have been removed in this September 2006 edit by Stev0. Bernanke's Crossbow (talk) 21:18, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
Battle of Monocracy
- Battle of Monocracy → Battle of Monocacy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This redirect appears to be an attempt at a pun disguised as a typo implying the battle was somehow related to monocracy, which it was not. Delete. Mdewman6 (talk) 01:16, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep This is not a pun or typo, but a common misspelling/mishearing/misremembering of the name that is used in multiple independent sources. For example, [28], [29], [30] (first picture caption), [31] (fourth picture caption), [32], [33] ("About this item"), [34] and plenty more. Thryduulf (talk) 12:58, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per Thryduulf. - Talkback) 13:42, 13 March 2024 (UTC)]
- Keep per above and tag with from misspelling. Skynxnex (talk) 18:14, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep I took the liberty of tagging it as suggested by Skynxnex. Paradoctor (talk) 16:15, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
Terrorism in Israel
- Terrorism in Israel → Timeline of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This redirect might need a new target. Important because it is used in the {{
- Create content here as suggested on the talk page by LilianaUwU and Sawyer-mcdonell this could be a disambig, list or overview article. Thryduulf (talk) 15:21, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
- Make it an actual page. This could very well be a summary of terrorism in Israel like Terrorism in the United States is. LilianaUwU (talk / contributions) 15:47, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig for now, to be turned into an overview article - terrorism in Israel is certainly a notable topic with RS, and I agree with Liliana that it can be a standalone article. Also, there has been terrorism in Israel unrelated (or not directly related) to the I-P conflict, so readers aren't getting a full picture of the topic from the redirect. I have some concerns about NPOV with the redirect target as well, and creating a content page would help. sawyer * he/they * talk 19:07, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
- WP:REDYES argument for deletion. Alternatively, disambiguation has been proposed but it's not entirely clear which articles would be listed on such a disambiguation page.]
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Rosguill talk 18:22, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
- 'Disambig for now, to be turned into an overview article - per Sawyer-mcdonell and Liliana. Marokwitz (talk) 16:53, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Rosguill's earlier relist comment still applies.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, asilvering (talk) 00:21, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Disambig with possibility of expansion, per above. Mindful of the relisting comments above -- in addition to the current target, I would suggest that the following articles could be included in the disambiguation: Israel and state-sponsored terrorism, Jewish extremist terrorism, Palestinian political violence, Israeli settler violence. All of these are, I think, topics that a reader might reasonably be hoping to find information on. There may be others. -- Visviva (talk) 01:36, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
March 12
Associated Press Service
- Associated Press Service → Associated Press of Pakistan (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I can't find any evidence that the Associated Press Service still exists, nor that it's connected with the Associated Press of Pakistan. Dan Bloch (talk) 20:04, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: The Associated Press Service is a separate entity that appears to have went offline midway through 2023. voorts (talk/contributions) 23:10, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
- Restore this version, which was erroneously BLARed by an anon. No prejudice against sending to AFD. - Talkback) 00:40, 3 March 2024 (UTC)]
- Restore article and send to AfD per ]
- Delete - The article suggested for restoration from 2022 is only a small article without enough sources to really establish Notability. Given that, rather than restore and send to AfD, I would just suggest deleting it here. - Dyork (talk) 02:21, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
- Restore article per Presidentman. Whether sources demonstrate notability is a question for AfD not RfD. Thryduulf (talk) 09:48, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
- Restore article and ship to AfD as per Presidentman, Lenticel, and Thryduulf. Lunamann 🌙🌙🌙 The Moooooooniest (talk) 13:50, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete or keep as a redirect. Sources that appear in the hidden stub are no longer working, so it would be pointless to restore. Better to leave as is since there's already a hatnote placed at the current target which resolves the confusion. CycloneYoris talk! 05:33, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Utopes (talk / cont) 23:51, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Just pick one: Restore and AfD, or Delete. Maybe it's the wrong venue, maybe it's the right venue. But it would be quite pointless to keep relisting this. --Paul_012 (talk) 09:11, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Indeed, this is the time for a bartender close, not a relist. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 09:40, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
Mind Power (series)
- Mind Power (series) → The Learning Company (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- ) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Delete or add sourced mention to target, where it isn't mentioned. Narky Blert (talk) 14:27, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. This was originally created as an article (at Mind Power series, which I've added to this nomination). Rosguill tagged it with {{Notability}}, then three days later Scope creep redirected it with the edit summary "Brochure article. G11. References are specific to the products existance, packaging etc with no standalone notability.". Thryduulf (talk) 15:32, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- Merge or delete. If it can be sourced (I've not looked), a slightly condensed version of the prose in this revision should be merged to The Learning Company#Software and both redirects refined to point at that mention. If it can't be sourced, delete. Thryduulf (talk) 15:36, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- Comment by nom. If Mind Power (series) can be sourced and therefore retained as a redirect, it should be added to Mind Power, which I earlier today converted from a redirect to a DAB. Narky Blert (talk) 19:15, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Also notified of this discussion at the talk pages of the target and creator.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 17:51, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - There is no mention of “Mind Power” anywhere on the target page, and so someone redirected to The Learning Company may be very confused as to why they were redirected there. - Dyork (talk) 02:15, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Utopes (talk / cont) 23:51, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
Metaltronica
- Metaltronica → Electronicore (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
this term seems to exist, but not in the context of music, so a redirect to electroniccore doesn't make any sense FMSky (talk) 16:40, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: A google search for 'Metaltronica' on its own does crowd the search with references to an Italian medical instrument manufacturer (which may be worthy of an article?), however, searching for 'Metaltronica music' does reveal that it is indeed used as a music genre title, by artists like FRANK NILE and DJ Mahoutsukai (although how related these two examples are to each other, and how related they are to Electronicore, may need some investigation-- I notice that FRANK NILE seems to be under the impression as of three weeks ago that he created the genre whole cloth, while DJ Mahoutsukai's work is from three years ago.) I'm not sure whether these two examples are enough to keep, and the Italian medical instrument manufacturer may require disambiguation. Lunamann 🌙🌙🌙 The Moooooooniest (talk) 17:16, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - Do not see the connection to “Electronicore”, and also no mention of anything like “Metaltronica” on target page. - Dyork (talk) 02:24, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment the second: The name 'Metaltronica' seems to be a portmanteau of 'Metal' (as in Metalcore) and 'Electronica', the two components of Electronicore according to Electronicore. The idea of "Metaltronica" being an independently-coined name for the same genre seems to track to me. That said, you are correct in that it doesn't show up on the page. Lunamann 🌙🌙🌙 The Moooooooniest (talk) 13:53, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Utopes (talk / cont) 23:51, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
Gossip On This
Gossip On This is not mentioned on the target page, and after a quick search, I don't see a connection between these two topics. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 19:16, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
UFC event
This redirect could have numerous targets relating to UFC. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 19:10, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to List of UFC events to align this with UFC events. - Eureka Lott 20:33, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per Eureka Lott. Thryduulf (talk) 21:44, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to List of UFC events. Cassiopeia talk 22:51, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to List of UFC events per above --Lenticel (talk) 22:17, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
Two Areas
- Two Areas → Sudanese conflict in South Kordofan and Blue Nile (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This redirect could apply to too many topics to be valuable. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 19:04, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom as way too ambiguous to be useful. Four of the first ten hits on my google search were related to anti-wrinkle injections (which I really did not expect!) but that's not enough for primary topic and nothing else got more than one hit. Thryduulf (talk) 21:59, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: I'm not super invested in this, but it's a widely-used term for the topic that I had redirected it to. I don't see how it hurts to keep the redirect, whereas deleting it makes the topic almost impossible to find by that (common) name for it. Wikipedia has lots of articles with titles which can refer to other things, particularly in cases such as anti-wrinkle injection lingo, where the topic isn't necessarily fit for a Wikipedia article. If there are multiple possible relevant topics it could refer to, shouldn't that mean it needs a disambiguation page, rather than being deleted? GeoEvan (talk) 22:58, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Can you share any reliable sources that use this term? Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 02:14, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Thryduulf, very generic -- 65.92.247.66 (talk) 05:11, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per GeoEvan, and possibly disambiguate (at WP:DIFFCAPS) if someone can identify a good set of targets. --Paul_012 (talk) 00:30, 17 March 2024 (UTC)]
If a greater wave shall fall it will fall upon a song
- If a greater wave shall fall it will fall upon a song → Wherever You Will Go (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This redirect is based on a misunderstanding of the song's lyrics. The song lyrics read, "If a great wave shall fall / And fall upon us all". Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 19:02, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- How common of a mondegreen is it? If it's a common enough misunderstanding of the lyrics, it should be kept, but otherwise, throw it out. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 20:07, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Considering there are zero Google hits, I'd guess it's not at all common. --Paul_012 (talk) 11:23, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- delete per Paul_012's findings --Lenticel (talk) 22:18, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete ExclusiveEditor Notify Me! 06:18, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
Doramon
Delete. This is a redirect with one single incoming link from a page in the User namespace. Apparently just another misspelling or typo. 1.36.109.173 (talk) 16:48, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. This a very well used redirect (39 hits in the 30 days prior to this nomination, over 200 last year) evidencing that this is a very plausible search term, especially for people who have heard the name but not seen it written. As noted at the top of the page
Redirects should not be deleted just because they have no incoming links.
and redirects from common misspellings and typos are good redirects to have (see Category:Redirects from misspellings). Thryduulf (talk) 17:27, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Doramon resembles popular wrong pronunciation of Doraemon. Only reason it could have been nominated for deleteion was implausible typo, which it clearly is not. ExclusiveEditor Notify Me! 19:56, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect is for common typo mostly and not incoming links, however it could also be a reason----ExclusiveEditor Notify Me! 19:58, 12 March 2024 (UTC) ----- to save it. ExclusiveEditor Notify Me! 10:23, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, as per WP:RTYPO a redirect needs multiple typos before it's considered implausible. One missing E is not enough. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 20:08, 12 March 2024 (UTC)]
- Keep, the word is difficult to spell, can definitely be searched by people unfamiliar with the subject, plausible typo. Utopes (talk / cont) 08:23, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep seems to be an actual alias of the character according to Doraemon: Nobita's Three Visionary Swordsmen. --Lenticel (talk) 03:29, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, it is not anomaly, per [42], it is Doraemon's alias for the movie's plot in dreamworld counterpart. ExclusiveEditor Notify Me! 06:32, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
Atimes.com
- Atimes.com → Asia Times (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Delete Keep per Paul_012. This domain (now a redirect to malware) belonged to a different organisation called Asia Times. We risk confusing and misleading readers by having this redirect. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 16:28, 12 March 2024 (UTC).
16:28, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. No sense in inadvertently directing users to a malware site. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 16:35, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. How are they supposed to be different organisations? The article already covers the entirety of its history. Atimes.com was their old domain until 2019 when they moved to asiatimes.com, and continued to redirect there until it expired in 2020, according to the Wayback Machine. --Paul_012 (talk) 11:18, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Rich Farmbrough, could it be that you misunderstood the site's history? I see you recently mentioned on the target article's talk page that Asiatimes.com existed in 1996, but that's a different, unrelated site. Look at the Wayback Machine's calendar and you'll see that Asiatimes.com only became active in 2019, before which the site was at Atimes.com. --Paul_012 (talk) 09:07, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Not a good idea to lead our readers to malware. --Lenticel (talk) 22:21, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Lunamann, Lenticel, in what circumstances would the existence of a redirect lead readers to the site? Redirects serve the reverse purpose. It leads readers who actually type in the domain to the article with which the domain used to be associated. The only way someone could be led to the site from the redirect is them checking "What links here" in the tools menu, then sifting through the hundreds of links (or selecting "Hide links") to find the URL, then deliberately typing it in the address bar. Anyone doing so would probably know enough to understand the risks. (Though maybe a warning template for such redirects might be useful.) --Paul_012 (talk) 09:04, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Fair enough. Still feels weird to have it here, though, especially without such a warning template... 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 09:44, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Lunamann, Lenticel, in what circumstances would the existence of a redirect lead readers to the site? Redirects serve the reverse purpose. It leads readers who actually type in the domain to the article with which the domain used to be associated. The only way someone could be led to the site from the redirect is them checking "What links here" in the tools menu, then sifting through the hundreds of links (or selecting "Hide links") to find the URL, then deliberately typing it in the address bar. Anyone doing so would probably know enough to understand the risks. (Though maybe a warning template for such redirects might be useful.) --Paul_012 (talk) 09:04, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
Grounded videos
- Grounded videos → Vyond#Grounded videos (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The section ‘Grounded videos’ was removed. Delete this redirect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aitraintheeditorandgamer (talk • contribs) 02:54, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Note: The Grounded videos is originally nominated for deletion by User:Aitraintheeditorandgamer in this edit, and the template was mistakenly added to the wrong page. Therefore, I am correcting this entry here. – DreamRimmer (talk) 13:15, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment the section was removed in this edit by Ohnoitsjamie on 10 March this year. The rationale for removal was "not supported by sources". Thryduulf (talk) 16:27, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Restore section. While I'll accept that a random essay on autism in kids and a random article on Caillou being taken off the air are definitely not acceptable sources for a section on the Grounded Videos meme, the source from Geek.com is perfectly valid and definitely supports the article, and though nowadays it's normally a dead link, the Wayback Machine has our backs. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 21:26, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- @]
- I was, indeed, not aware of this, thank you. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 09:56, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- @]
- Delete and maybe salt: I told user web blog. I think there needs to be more reliable coverage on the subject beyond that one source or a passing mention, before I can reconsider reinstatement. Salting is mentioned here because the title was previously deleted five times prior to this request. --Minoa (talk) 20:05, 13 March 2024 (UTC)]
Adic
This page has a long history of pointing at various targets. Right now Arity has a link to p-adic number, one of the previous targets of this redirect, in the "see also" section (which I would consider misuse, as hatnotes should be used for this purpose). Incidentally, until 2018, this was redirecting to the article on the more general concept of Completion of a ring (which currently does not explicitly introduce the term "I-adic completion" but does so for the I-adic topology, while linking to the main article on that topic). It also briefly was some sort of disambiguation page, as the title (modulo capitalisation) can also be an abbreviation of Advanced Digital Information Corporation. The question is whether arity is the primary topic here (and the ambiguity should be resolved by hatnotes or a separate DAB page), or whether this title itself should be disambiguated. 1234qwer1234qwer4 13:03, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- This was a disambiguation page in 2006 (link), and it should be one again. The math section here can be expanded to include the other meanings besides the p-adic numbers. Redirecting to Arity makes little sense when the numbers are more common, and the people who keep trying to put ADIC back in suggest that it's needed for that as well. (Perhaps the two disambiguation pages should be combined, but then it should capitalized as here, not there.) —Toby Bartels (talk) 13:27, 12 March 2024 (UTC)]
- Re-Dabify as per Toby. Hopefully this should serve to handle the redirect tug-of-war. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 13:29, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate: as per Toby. Putting the contents of ADIC into here makes sense as well. 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 15:53, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- This should be disambiguated, I have no preference whether that is at Adic or ADIC, but there should be a single page covering both. Thryduulf (talk) 15:58, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Dabify Merging the dabs helps protect against the 2-dabs curse. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 21:49, 12 March 2024 (UTC).
- Dabify per above --Lenticel (talk) 02:23, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to ADIC (a disambiguation page) as all the dabify comments above suggest. The disambiguation page already exists. We do not need a second one. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:33, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Note that I have now added the term "I-adic completion" explicitly into the article. 1234qwer1234qwer4 16:51, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
Roxy (character)
- Roxy (character) → Foxy (Merrie Melodies) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned, and that's not Roxy. So, I suggest a retarget to Roxy (given name), due to no primary topic. 176.33.244.31 (talk) 12:41, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Roxy (given name)#Fictional characters, a refinement of the proposed retarget. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 13:15, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Roxy (given name)#Fictional characters: seeing as that's where the characters called Roxy can be found. 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 13:18, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to the section per above. Thryduulf (talk) 15:58, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Roxy (given name)#Fictional characters per above --Lenticel (talk) 02:33, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Roxy (given name)#Fictional characters: There are too many fictional characters named Roxy (including me) to have this pointing to a one off mention 'Foxy appeared along with his girlfriend (here christened "Roxy")' StreetcarEnjoyer (talk) 03:04, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
Brookville Police Department
- Brookville Police Department → Brookville, New York (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
no mention on target page, plausibly notable. asilvering (talk) 05:38, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
DeletEas pernom.WP:REDLINK. I uh, think you put this new RfD nomination right in the middle of an existing nomination, which means you stole the original version of this comment from Master of the TreboN Altarpiece ^^; That said, no harm no foul, as my vote for this one is mostly the same anyways! Lunamann 🌙🌙🌙 The Moooooooniest (talk) 04:42, 5 March 2024 (UTC)]- @Lunamann: What happened was the first non-bot edit of the day broke the top text that Twinkle uses to detect where to put new RfD nominations. But ... this is odd since apparently, per other nominations on this page, XFDcloser ... knew where to put the relisted nominations, even with the top matter looking abnormal. Maybe Twinkle could take a bit of code from XFDcloser to utilize for new RfD nominations in the same manner that XFDcloser determines where to place a relisted discussion? (Eh, might as well ping Novem Linguae so they are aware of this as they seem to be one of the most active editors at monitoring both tools these days.) Steel1943 (talk) 13:40, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- Huh. Weird. Lunamann 🌙🌙🌙 The Moooooooniest (talk) 14:20, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- Huh, weird! I didn't realize that's what happened and was wondering why your initial comment didn't seem to make sense. -- asilvering (talk) 17:19, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Lunamann: What happened was the first non-bot edit of the day broke the top text that Twinkle uses to detect where to put new RfD nominations. But ... this is odd since apparently, per other nominations on this page, XFDcloser ... knew where to put the relisted nominations, even with the top matter looking abnormal. Maybe Twinkle could take a bit of code from XFDcloser to utilize for new RfD nominations in the same manner that XFDcloser determines where to place a relisted discussion? (Eh, might as well ping Novem Linguae so they are aware of this as they seem to be one of the most active editors at monitoring both tools these days.) Steel1943 (talk) 13:40, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- I can add a mention of the department on the target page a little later today. I thought I did so already but I guess I am mistaken. My apologies. Infrastorian (talk) 16:17, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- I'll note, for the record, that this proposed edit would change my vote from Delete (er, DeletE) to Keep (or perhaps, Refine.) Lunamann 🌙🌙🌙 The Moooooooniest (talk) 16:23, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 07:26, 12 March 2024 (UTC)- Refine to Brookville, New York#Government, which now has a mention. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 08:23, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Brookville. The Indiana, Ohio, and Pennsylvania Brookvilles (at least) also have police departments, and the Ohio Brookville is about double the New York one's population. No telling which Brookville Police a reader is likely to be looking for. (Alternatively, if someone wants to put in the work, this could be a disambiguation page just among the four (?) Brookvilles with police departments.) -- Visviva (talk) 02:03, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. The mention added at Brookville, New York is so brief that it's hardly useful at all. There's no point retargeting to the place name's disambiguation page. --Paul_012 (talk) 01:32, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
November 2023 Terrorist Encounter in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa
- November 2023 Terrorist Encounter in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa → 2023 Tirah shooting (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
"Terrorist Encounter"? Was at this title for under a day. Rusalkii (talk) 01:53, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep. The incident does seem to described as an encounter with terrorists by contemporary news reports so it's not an implausible search term. Probably should be tagged as {{]
- Weak keep "Encounter" is a very common euphemism for a hit/shooting/gun battle etc in South Asian media, so a plausible search term. Johnbod (talk) 03:29, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Since both keep !votes are weak.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 07:24, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- As nom, amending my !vote to the same weak keep, I hadn't realized this was a common euphemism. Rusalkii (talk) 04:50, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep? Well, if everyone is weakly keeping, and nobody is voting against, how weak are the keep votes, really? Either way, tag as non-neutral and keep the R from move tag. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 05:50, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep most move (even early moves) should be kept unless they are misleading. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 15:07, 17 March 2024 (UTC).
Luxury home
- Luxury home → Real estate (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Luxury Home → Real estate (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Luxury homes → Category:Luxury real estate (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
After the merging of
- Is the "merge", then, a back-door delete? I've seen this done before, deliberately or accidentally. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 21:51, 12 March 2024 (UTC).
- It wasn't a merge; it was redirected as a result of AfD (though I don't actually see any policy-based reasoning in that discussion). --Paul_012 (talk) 09:18, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Restore and renomenate Luxury real estate when it gets restored.) 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 09:57, 15 March 2024 (UTC)]
- If you want to overturn the result of an AfD you need to nominate it at ]
- Keep first two, and retarget Luxury real estate (as I have done for the first two). Whatever action is pursued regarding the former article (usually the case should be raised with the closing admin before going to DRV), this should help ensure that the redirects are taken care of should it be restored. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:05, 15 March 2024 (UTC)]
- I would've enjoyed being told that before I nominated it a c k, I currently feel like I would like the floor to swallow me up 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 14:13, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
LGBT liberal
- LGBT liberal → Category:LGBT liberalism (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- LGBT liberalism → Liberalism (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
A story of two redirects created for the same circumstance, but resulted in vastly different outcomes. Both of these were created by a sockpuppet as an antonym redirect to LGBT conservatism. However, these two received target changes before they could be G5'ed. LGBT liberal went to Category:LGBT liberalism, which such a redirect-to-category-space I don't think is helpful nor necessary for this term. The title match to the category however, LGBT liberalism, ended up getting retargeted to Liberalism, where this terminology never gets mentioned. While the difference in targets is certainly a problem, I believe that between the "borderline-parallel category" and "page without mention", NEITHER of the existing solutions are a great fit for the terms. The only mainspace page that discusses these topics in tandem is LGBT+ Liberal Democrats, which might work, but even then it begs the question whether these sockpuppet terms are even needed to begin with, as none of the possibilities are stellar. Utopes (talk / cont) 06:43, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:REDLINK. LGBT liberalism seems like the sort of thing which could be turned into a standalone article (like LGBT conservatism) - with LGBT liberal probably redirecting to it - but that's probably not gonna happen any time soon whilst it's a redirect. 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 13:12, 12 March 2024 (UTC)]
- Delete as per nom and HOTmess, in absence of any page detailing the intersection of the terms this is an WP:XY situation. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 13:20, 12 March 2024 (UTC)]
Legal abuse
- ) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Legal abuses → Category:Abuse of the legal system (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
While permitted, redirecting to a category is not the most ideal outcome for readers, and existing targets in article space should be prioritized where possible. Was BLAR'd in 2022 and converted into a redirect to a particular category, but I feel Abuse#Legal abuse might be more appropriate and helpful for readers on a wider scale. While not much content exists at the page currently, it has the category handily linked right there. Utopes (talk / cont) 06:30, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget as per nom. Perhaps the redirects pointing there could spur some editors to flesh it out, hm~? 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 13:22, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Abuse#Legal abuse per nom, with a side of Template:R with possibilities 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 15:45, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per above, note it was originally a redirect in January 2010 to the suggested target and was converted to an article in July 2011 by the author. Crouch, Swale (talk) 22:33, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Abuse#Legal abuse per above. --Lenticel (talk) 02:52, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
Insect pest of grape
- Insect pest of grape → Category:Grape pest insects (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
In the grand scheme of redirects into category space, this title does not seem to have an apparent need as it stands. It currently exists as an unlikely search term for the subject, pointing at a title that just contains a handful of insect articles. Grape pest insects does not exist. Utopes (talk / cont) 06:21, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- On the one hand, this is some EXTREMELY strange and rather unlikely phrasing. On the other, I don't think there's really any better place for it to point, if kept. Delete as per nom, failing that, oppose any retarget effort until further notice. (Further notice being myself going 'Hey wait, that IS a good retarget' and changing my vote.) 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 06:29, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Pppery in the previous discussion:
oddly formatted, not a plausible search term
. -- Tavix (talk) 15:09, 12 March 2024 (UTC) - Delete for the lack of a good target. If we had List of grape pests, Pests in viniculture, a List of pests that contained some information about which were pests of grapes, or anything along those lines then I'd probably recommend retargetting there but we don't - indeed the only related titles I can find are List of pests and diseases of roses and List of insect pests of millets. Thryduulf (talk) 16:17, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Given we have a category page ready to go with all the information needed to make such a list article, I'm surprised we don't have a list article on the topic. That said, this isn't AfC. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 16:26, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per above. Agree that we could have a list about that topic in the future but that's not within the scope of RfD. --Lenticel (talk) 02:53, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as an unlikely search term and unnecessary ]
Texas–Permian Basin Falcons football players
- Texas–Permian Basin Falcons football players → Category:Texas–Permian Basin Falcons football players (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not particularly useful or conventional to target this cross-namespace redirect to a category of football players. Evidenced from [43], these types of redirects are mainly used for journals and not just any category that exists. Utopes (talk / cont) 06:01, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to WP:XNR. I'm not a fan of the "other stuff doesn't exist" argument from the nom. If the redirect is a useful search term and category space is the only logical place to target it, then I have no issue with an XNR there. (FWIW, I'm strongly in favor of deleting those journal XNRs). -- Tavix (talk) 16:23, 12 March 2024 (UTC)]
- Retarget per Tavix. Thryduulf (talk) 16:32, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
Uk public
- Uk public → United Kingdom constitutional law (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
R3 declined due to not recent (February vs November), this is an otherwise vague search term which doesn't exclusively apply to constitutional law, from my understanding. Utopes (talk / cont) 05:53, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: unclear meaning, not a useful disambiguation. Kk.urban (talk) 06:41, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to UK people) as a near-synonym. PleaseStand (talk) 08:13, 12 March 2024 (UTC)]
- Retarget as per PleaseStand. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 08:18, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per PleaseStand. The terms aren't quite identical, but they're close enough. Thryduulf (talk) 16:19, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget per PleaseStand as most plausible target --Lenticel (talk) 21:21, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Unclear on how or why there is an expectation of the word "public" equaling "people". Also, UK public does not exist. Steel1943 (talk) 18:55, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- ...Or retarget to Government of the United Kingdom, the target of UK public sector, since that seems to be the base subject of the redirects mentioned below by Wbm1058. Steel1943 (talk) 18:11, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. ]
Asenso Abrenio
- ) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
External sources have led me to believe this is a song/dance. No mention at the target, unclear relationship to a politician. Utopes (talk / cont) 05:51, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Okay so I've done some digging on the matter. Firstly, I've moved Maria Jocelyn Bernos to Joy Bernos, seeing as most of the info about her refers to her as 'Joy Bernos'. Secondly, there is a very strong link between 'Asenso Abrenio' and Joy Bernos. 'Asenso Abrenio' appears to be a campaign slogan used by her (as mentioned here https://abra.gov.ph/project-and-programs/joy-h-e-l-p-s/), but at the same time, I suspect that there may be some confusion between that and her party name. Looking at election results etc, she appears to be part of the 'ASENSO' party, but, looking at various pages here (such as Abra Provincial Board), she's apparently part of the 'Asenso Abrenio' party (not 'ASENSO'). Not sure if that qualifies as a reason keep/delete this redirect, but it's worth bearing in mind for this discussion (and for the subsequent cleanup either way). 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 15:04, 12 March 2024 (UTC)]
- FWIW, "Asenso" seems to be the "short name" for Asenso Abrenio, like "Dem", "Rep", "Lab" are for the Labour Party (United Kingdom). Howard the Duck (talk) 20:40, 12 March 2024 (UTC)]
- FWIW, "Asenso" seems to be the "short name" for Asenso Abrenio, like "Dem", "Rep", "Lab" are for the
- Comment I've left a note at Wikipedia talk:Tambayan Philippines (the relevant WikiProject) as input from those familiar with politicians/political parties in the Philippines will be particularly useful here. Thryduulf (talk) 16:24, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Ideally, a separate article should be created, and not just be redirected to an article of a party member who already has one. This party, in coalition with the National Unity Party (Philippines) won 1 seat in the 2022 Philippine House of Representatives elections (presumably Ching Bernos from Abra's at-large congressional district). I dunno if parties winning a seat in a national legislature makes it automatically notable, but it being redirected to a single person may not be right, unless that person is the sole embodiment of the party and no one else is, but this party is not like that as multiple members of the Bernos family have won under this label. So I guess Ching may have an equal dibs on the redirect as Joy, which probably means it has to be deleted if no one can come up with an article for it. Howard the Duck (talk) 17:47, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- As a sidenote, the party does possess a majority of seats in the Abra Provincial Board, but they seem to be a local party based entirely within Abra. 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 18:05, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- As per WP:N, what would make a party notable, afaik, wouldn't be the party winning the seat- it'd be the reputable news coverage reporting that the party won the seat, doing so with more than just one throwaway line. Find the sources, you find the notability. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 20:14, 12 March 2024 (UTC)]
- Unfortunately, it's not easy to find sources on the internet about a faraway province (from being elected to a national legislature; for political parties and even actual elections, there may be no such thing. Howard the Duck (talk) 20:30, 12 March 2024 (UTC)]
- It appears that political parties are covered under WP:ORG, if that's of any use. 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 22:12, 12 March 2024 (UTC)]
- WP:NPOL where there is an automatic threshold; for example, the three Bernoses that served as representatives are automatically notable, while the current governor of Abra, Dominic B. Valera, who hasn't served as congressman himself, isn't (all of these four people, including the governor, are related). At this point a quick Google search for me turns up nothing useful. I'd rather delete this than be redirected to just one of the Bernoses. Howard the Duck (talk) 22:16, 12 March 2024 (UTC)]
- It appears that political parties are covered under
- Unfortunately, it's not easy to find sources on the internet about a faraway province (from
- Delete for now as this is a party and not necessarily just the politician. It seems that this political party exists. However, cursory search of GNews, GNews Archives and GBooks shows me very few refs than can be used to make an article. --Lenticel (talk) 02:58, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- For bonus confusion, here is a source suggesting this is the slogan of the province she's governor of. My initial attempts in detangling this redirect left me sufficently confused I left it in the queue, thank you Utopes for getting to it. Rusalkii (talk) 04:55, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
Funny book
- Funny book → Comic book (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned in the target article. Without a specify code mention tying the redirect as an alternative name of the target page, the redirect is ambiguous since the only type of book which may be funny is not exclusive to Comic book. Steel1943 (talk) 23:28, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. The only thing I can think of as to why this exists is this definition for 'funnies' on Wiktionary. The issue (ha) is, the adjective "funny" is thought of a lot more than the noun. Not only are comic books not inherently funny, there are plenty of comedy books out there that aren't comic books. This sort of ambiguity kills the redirect. Lunamann 🌙🌙🌙 The Moooooooniest (talk) 03:12, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep Not all comics are funny, but “funny book” used to be a standard term for comic books, a la “the funnies”. I would never expect this term to lead anywhere but to comic book… but I say “weak” keep because I CAN imagine a different person less familiar with historical comics terminology who expected to end up at something like comic fiction or some existing pages about novels that are funny. ~ L 🌸 (talk) 17:31, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
- very very weak retarget to comic novel
or all star "the goddamn" batman & robin, the boy wonder, or delete as vague. if i read super mario 64's manual and get a laugh out of it, that would make it a "funny book" - i don't think whether or not it had some niche use before matters because that use is very much gone cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:24, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Delete: stupidly vague ngl 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 23:39, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. As LEvalyn pointed out, "funny book" was once used interchangeably with "comic book", just as newspaper comics were once called "funnies" and occurred on the "funny pages". The fact that this use is dated doesn't make it incorrect; people might run across the term and try to look it up. Unless there is another plausible target, it should stay where it is. And even though not all comic books are funny, and non-comic books may also be funny, I don't believe there has ever been a time when this specific phrase referred to anything else, and I don't find it plausible that most readers will expect it to go to a different target. P Aculeius (talk) 22:40, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
March 11
GTA7
Un-needed redirect from a unreleased title. Geardona (talk to me?) 04:56, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Incredibly premature ]
县
Would a solution similar to Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 February 13#市 be appropriate in this case as well? — Godsy (TALKCONT) 22:08, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- I suspect not, as wikt:县 seems to suggest this character is only used in simplified Chinese, not in Japanese, Korean, or traditional Chinese. Do you have other targets in mind besides Counties of China? —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 05:43, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Arguably this could redirect to 県 (Japanese shinjitai) being redirects for those countries, is also fine as it is. Adumbrativus (talk) 07:51, 12 March 2024 (UTC)]
List of arunachal pradesh cricketer
- List of arunachal pradesh cricketer → List of Arunachal Pradesh cricketers (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Delete. I can't see how this serves any purpose. It is lower case and singular, so who would enter that as a search term? Batagur baska (talk) 21:28, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Someone who doesn't hit the caps lock key and accidentally hits Enter before the last character? Seems plausible to me. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 21:56, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Very plausible that someone limited in English proficiency would use this term to get to that page. Nate • (chatter) 01:11, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep per WP:CHEAP, but the lack of pageviews (virtually 0 before this RfD) indicates this is an unlikely search term and may push me into supporting deletion. InterstellarGamer12321 (talk | contribs) 07:38, 12 March 2024 (UTC)]
- Delete per nom and creator (especially because of the singular), who admitted the mistake, and corrected it, one minute after creating it. If not for the keep votes, this would have qualified for WP:U1. Jay 💬 15:24, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
Osborn Corners, Ohio
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 18#Osborn Corners, Ohio
Tenemos
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 18#Tenemos
Matthew (Fire Emblem)
Deir el-Balah bombing
- ) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned anywhere in the article, and comments on the talk page indicate that there are no plans to add it. These are different events. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:49, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hey man im josh (talk) 18:04, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Flour massacre#Subsequent attacks. Jay 💬 05:39, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia:COURT
- Wikipedia:COURT → Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The Arbitration Committee is not a court. — JJMC89 (T·C) 09:54, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep or retarget. Someone using this redirect is plausibly looking for Wikipedia's court, and they should be taken to a page that explains that we don't have a court (or at least not a court of law) but the closest thing is the Arbitration Committee. The current page sort of does that, but not perfectly - Wikipedia:Guide to arbitration doesn't use the words exactly but does state "Arbitration is not a legal process", so would make an equally good target I think. Thryduulf (talk) 10:38, 19 February 2024 (UTC)]
- Delete. It's confusing and misleading. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 11:14, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
- 0 uses is kind of damning. The other redirects of the same sense have similarly low use [44][45][46]. (What the heck is [47].) Izno (talk) 18:00, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
- It's only existed for five weeks, and lack of incoming internal links is explicitly not relevant to whether a redirect should or should not be deleted. As for your "what the heck" this was redirected after the original content was moved to User:Alex756/Writ of Wikimedius, which is effectively an essay that emerged out of the discussions that created the Arbitration Committee. Basically it is saying (in attempted(?) legalese that an arbitration case can be requested either directly or by or via Jimbo, that Jimbo can direct a case to be opened and that Jimbo can investigate matters on his own if he wants. The first part is obviously still true (anyone can request a case directly), the second is also technically true (Jimbo can request a case in the same way as any other editor, including related to disputes he is asked to look at). Jimbo can't direct that a case be opened (anymore?). He can investigate a dispute if he chooses to do so, although he is very unlikely to do so and is very limited in what remedies he could impose (he renounced the right to unilaterally ban people in 2022 and gave up other advanced rights in 2023). Thryduulf (talk) 19:24, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
- Of the other examples of links of this sense, the first is a decade old, the second well on its way to that, and the third a year and a half old (and was previously deleted at MFD an eternity ago). That this one is only 5 weeks old doesn't inspire. Izno (talk) 22:01, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
- The other redirect's aren't relevant to this one, and the age isn't really relevant either. The redirect is not doing any harm - indeed as it serves to correct misunderstandings it's the opposite of misleading. Thryduulf (talk) 00:14, 20 February 2024 (UTC)]
- Usage of the redirect in discussions would increase confusion, not reduce it. It's good that it's not being used and it should be removed before it is. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 20:41, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
- Well if anyone did use this in a discussion, the context would make things clear. However, redirects like this are much more useful as search targets rather than for linking - for example a relatively new editor would plausibly search this, and be taken to exactly the page that explains what he have instead of a court, rather than unpredictable search results (sometimes several clicks/taps away) that may or may not be relevant. Thryduulf (talk) 20:58, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee and Wikipedia:Wikipedia as a court source were previously the top results for a "court" search in Wikipedia space. This redirect made search worse, not better. Bumping down other court-related results and repeating the top result is not a net positive. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 21:32, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
- Well if anyone did use this in a discussion, the context would make things clear. However, redirects like this are much more useful as search targets rather than for linking - for example a relatively new editor would plausibly search this, and be taken to exactly the page that explains what he have instead of a court, rather than unpredictable search results (sometimes several clicks/taps away) that may or may not be relevant. Thryduulf (talk) 20:58, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
- Usage of the redirect in discussions would increase confusion, not reduce it. It's good that it's not being used and it should be removed before it is. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 20:41, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
- The other redirect's
- Of the other examples of links of this sense, the first is a decade old, the second well on its way to that, and the third a year and a half old (and was previously deleted at MFD an eternity ago). That this one is only 5 weeks old doesn't inspire. Izno (talk) 22:01, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
- It's only existed for five weeks, and lack of incoming internal links is explicitly not relevant to whether a redirect should or should not be deleted. As for your "what the heck" this was redirected after the original content was moved to User:Alex756/Writ of Wikimedius, which is effectively an essay that emerged out of the discussions that created the Arbitration Committee. Basically it is saying (in attempted(?) legalese that an arbitration case can be requested either directly or by or via Jimbo, that Jimbo can direct a case to be opened and that Jimbo can investigate matters on his own if he wants. The first part is obviously still true (anyone can request a case directly), the second is also technically true (Jimbo can request a case in the same way as any other editor, including related to disputes he is asked to look at). Jimbo can't direct that a case be opened (anymore?). He can investigate a dispute if he chooses to do so, although he is very unlikely to do so and is very limited in what remedies he could impose (he renounced the right to unilaterally ban people in 2022 and gave up other advanced rights in 2023). Thryduulf (talk) 19:24, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Delete - agree that it's misleading. In the unlikely event that a user entered this in the search box, the search results would be more useful than this redirect. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 21:56, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: There's no good single redirect; there are several WikiProjects that deal with courts and law, so none of them are a great option, and ARBCOM is not a court. voorts (talk/contributions) 00:04, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. The target does not need to actually be a court in order to be helpful. Coincidentally, I recently watched a Youtube video titled: "The Court That Settles Wikipedia Editor Drama" from Half as Interesting. Now, is ArbCom literally a court? I suppose not, but it's a widely popular misconception to the public based on several journal stories which have covered influential ArbCom cases. Pageviews might not be there as this was made recently in 2024 and people were hitting WP:Great Dismal Swamp isn't actually a murky wetland supporting sealife, adding redirect support for a popular misconception still fulfills the need for someone that wants to get to Wikipedia's court, but doesn't know what it's technically called. (Those long words'll get ya good! Both "Arbitration" and "Committee" with 9+ letters, who has time to memorize that?) Quite helpful for people who have a basic understanding of Project space, but are unsure of the names of the "complicated noticeboards". Nothing else seems to be more courtlike in WP space than ArbCom, but if there is something strongly-more-associated I wouldn't mind a retarget either. Deletion is not beneficial in my eyes. Utopes (talk / cont) 03:19, 3 March 2024 (UTC)]
- Keep as per Utopes and Thryduulf. ArbCom may not be an actual court, but the ArbCom page literally has scales of justice displayed right there in the center, for cryin' out loud, it's clearly "where justice is meted out". Heck, WP:COURT might even help with a few WP:ALP issues. Lunamann 🌙🌙🌙 The Moooooooniest (talk) 14:29, 3 March 2024 (UTC)]
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A Hovannessian
Glazed ham
- Glazed ham → Gammon (meat)#glazed ham (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned in the target article. Looks as though the term was formerly in the article, but is no longer there. Steel1943 (talk) 23:07, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- We really should have content about this somewhere, but Gammon is not that place. Glaze (cooking technique) is probably better (is the best, I'd don't know) but all what's there currently is not really enough. List of hams is another obvious place on the surface but there are multiple different types of glazed ham (e.g. Christmas ham and the honey-glazed ham mentioned at List of hams#Wales) and the structure of that article wouldn't work to anchor this redirect (it also links to this redirect expecting the encyclopaedic content about it to be elsewhere). The edit summary when it was removed from the Gammon article implied that it was being moved to the Ham article, but I can't find that it ever was, and there isn't anything useful there now. Maybe the text about glazed ham in this revision can be merged somewhere? I'll see if there is a relevant WikiProject I can ping about this. Thryduulf (talk) 00:34, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as per WP:REDLINK. Lunamann 🌙🌙🌙 The Moooooooniest (talk) 01:27, 14 February 2024 (UTC)]
- I don't see anything in REDLINK that recommends deleting an existing redirect. WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:31, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
- It's "not mentioned in the target article" only because an IP blanked half the article a few years ago. That (sourced) material could be restored by anyone, including the nom. WP:RFD#DELETE about deleting redirects that aren't mentioned is exclusively for "novel or very obscure synonyms". Ordinary words that have been in use for at least two centuries can't be described as "novel", and an iconic holiday dish isn't ever going to be "very obscure". I think we should keep this. The only remaining question is whether to repoint it or to turn it into a separate article. WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:30, 14 February 2024 (UTC)]
- "
The only remaining question is whether to repoint it or to turn it into a separate article.
" Sounds like a "delete perWP:REDLINK" rationale to me unless a retargeting option is found. It may be worth investigating to see if the article could be restored to a state where the redirect is mentioned, which would also fix the issue for which I nominated the redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 19:22, 14 February 2024 (UTC)] - Also, are you referring to this edit where an IP blanked the "glazed" mention? (I'm playing a guessing game there since you did not provide a diff.) If so, I'm not sure that restoring that content would validate the existence of this redirect since the subject mentioned there is both "glazed gammon" and "glazed ham", given that there seems to be a few notes around Wikipedia, specifically on Ham, that attempt to differentiate "gammon" from "ham", meaning restoring the content and then attempting to validate this redirect as a {{R from incorrect name}} may be misleading. Steel1943 (talk) 19:31, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
- "
- Keep per WhatamIdoing. Orchastrattor (talk) 03:00, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep or retarget: to either List of hams or Glaze (cooking technique) as they make more sense as targets. Nobody (talk) 13:17, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- The IP had wanted to move the removed content into Ham but didn't have access, so left the content at its talk page for other editors to pick up. See Talk:Ham#Moving stuff from 'gammon' article here, as it not relevant/confusing to the British concept. I have notified of this discussion at the talk page of Ham. Jay 💬 10:18, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect to List of hams, where topic is mentioned. Glazed hams are definitely out there. I feel like this is more appropriate than current target. ‡ El cid, el campeador talk 17:32, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
Job (economics)
- Job (economics) → Work (human activity) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I'm not sure about this redirect being clear in what it is meant to refer. Is it meant to refer to a job in the economics field? If so, I don't believe the current target or Employment to be proper targets. I also do not believe that retargeting to Job (disambiguation) would be helpful either since the only correlation it would have listed there would be whatever Job refers to, which is currently a redirect to Work (human activity). Steel1943 (talk) 23:35, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep I think the parenthetical disambiguation is reasonably clear. --BDD (talk) 19:04, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
Cinebooks
- Cinebooks → Cinebook (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- CineBooks → Cinebook (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
These redirects to Cinebook (a British publishing company founded in 2005) were created by Tajotep in 2017; however, as can be seen in Special:WhatLinksHere/Cinebooks, most (or all?; e.g., at Romance of a Horsethief) of the links are incorrect, referring to Cinebooks/CineBooks, an American company that published The Motion Picture Guide in 1985. J3133 (talk) 06:18, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, we don't have any information on Cinebooks/CineBooks (American comany). If they had an article to point to, I'd recommend hatnoting the two against each other. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 08:33, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Lunamann: I only support keeping if all of the incorrect links that currently point to the British company are removed, or changed to different (red) links if a future article is planned for the American company. J3133 (talk) 10:16, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oh no, I don't think those links should stay. That said, I don't think it should point right here-- these links are a bit too close to the name of the existing article on Cinebook (UK). They need to be removed, or WP:REDYES'd, all to the same target, with that target having a disambiguator. CineBooks (American company) perhaps? 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 11:47, 11 March 2024 (UTC)]
- Oh no, I don't think those links should stay. That said, I don't think it should point right here-- these links are a bit too close to the name of the existing article on Cinebook (UK). They need to be removed, or
- @Lunamann: I only support keeping if all of the incorrect links that currently point to the British company are removed, or changed to different (red) links if a future article is planned for the American company. J3133 (talk) 10:16, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Since this redirect is in plural form, is it really a common way to refer to the target? Especially given the existence of the other company. I would suspect someone searching "Cinebooks" is more likely looking for information on the American company than the British one which uses the singular form. Talkback) 16:15, 11 March 2024 (UTC)]
- The issue I find with simply outright deleting is that the names are still so similar that I could easily see this issue continuing to occur without SOME sort of explanation. ...Is there precedent for a redlink hatnote?? 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 17:06, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
Midnight Miracle
- Midnight Miracle → 2022 Peach Bowl (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned at target. This redirect was created shortly after a relevant / similar discussion was closed at Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2024_January_24#Georgia_Bulldogs'_Midnight_Miracle. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:27, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- This is a different redirect. It just says Midnight Miracle. Abhiramakella (talk) 18:03, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. This is far from the primary topic for the search term. Topping the list is a podcast, mentioned in a table at Luminary (podcast network)#Programming but that's not sufficient to anchor a redirect, and on the articles about all three of the hosts (targetting any one of the hosts would present XY issues; I can't rule out the podcast being notable. After that comes a skin oil/cream that doesn't appear to be mentioned on Wikipedia at all (and doesn't seem like it should be). Excluding both those brings up a myriad of different things, but none of them relate to American football. Thryduulf (talk) 19:28, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Not found in target article. -Dyork (talk) 21:10, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
Weak retarget to Miracle at Midnight.Jay 💬 18:02, 16 February 2024 (UTC)- Is there any evidence that Miracle at Midnight is called this? If not delete * Pppery * it has begun... 17:42, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:V, attestation as a name for this event has not been verified with a sourced mention at the article. Attestation as a form of Miracle at Midnight has also not been established. -- Tavix (talk) 03:03, 23 February 2024 (UTC)]
- Retarget to Luminary (podcast network). "Midnight Miracle" is mentioned 4 times in enwiki: at the podcast article, and at the articles of the 3 co-creators whose articles are all linked from the podcast article. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:18, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Luminary (podcast network) per Shhhnotsoloud. --BDD (talk) 18:52, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment I still feel that mentions of the podcast network are insufficient to make this a useful redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 13:23, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Weak retarget to Luminary; it at least puts the title in context. 19:48, 15 March 2024 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rusalkii (talk • contribs)
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Notre Dame de Miséricorde
- Notre Dame de Miséricorde → Cotonou Cathedral (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Notre-Dame-de-Miséricorde → Cotonou Cathedral (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Far too ambiguous to point directly to a particular church. See for example fr:Église Notre-Dame-de-la-Miséricorde, which lists many of these churches, none of which are the cathedral in Benin. asilvering (talk) 04:32, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget. Clearly Notre-Dame-de-la-Miséricorde, Notre Dame de la Miséricorde, Notre-Dame-de-Miséricorde and Notre Dame de Miséricorde should be a disambiguation page, even if it would largely be full of redlinks at the moment — Preceding unsigned comment added by OwenBlacker (talk • contribs) 10:42, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I checked "Our Lady of Mercy", which is the English translation of the same phrase, and am appropriately redirected to Mother of Mercy redirects to the same place. I think it would make the most sense if all of these redirected to a dab page, with Virgin of Mercy listed clearly as the main topic and other uses such as churches, etc grouped below that one. -- asilvering (talk) 19:45, 11 March 2024 (UTC)]
- I'd DAB with a note that this is the french equivalent of "Our Lady of Mercy", one of the many catholic titles for the Virgin Mary aka the Virgin of Mercy. Then several churches and parishes bare the name. b} 02:29, 13 March 2024 (UTC)]
- Comment: Perhaps rename these two redirects to "Notre Dame de Miséricorde de Cotonou" and "Notre-Dame-de-Miséricorde de Cotonou", respectively, with the same target of Cotonou Cathedral, which should resolve the initial ambiguity. Agree also with having a separate dab page with appropriate redirects to it, but deciding and implementing that need not hold up renaming the two redirects being discussed. — Archer1234 (t·c) 11:17, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
Gelovani (disambiguation)
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≙
Delete: Unicode symbol that does not appears in any WP article (including the current target) D.Lazard (talk) 10:12, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment this is actually mentioned in several places, but it isn't showing up in search for some reason, e.g. Mathematical Operators (Unicode block), Glossary of mathematical symbols#Equality, equivalence and similarity (although like many symbols on that article it is only used as an image for some reason), Equals sign#Other related symbols and List of mathematical symbols by subject#Equality signs (the latter includes it at both "bijection" and "equal to by definition", but I think the first is an error). Searching the internet though there appear to be at least three different definitions. The unicode character is "U+2259 ESTIMATES", which is backed up by [50] and the second post at [51], the first post there states that
In German secondary-school math and science classes, it is used to denote "corresponds to"
. de:≙ is a redirect to de:Gleichheitszeichen#Das Gleichheitszeichen und seine Abwandlungen ("Equal sign#The equal sign and its variations") where it is defined as "Das Entspricht-Zeichen" ("Corresponds sign") but its definition in the unicode table translates via Google as "right by definition" (i.e. "is defined as"). The redirect here originally targetted Correspondence#Mathematics, which is now a section of a dab page but might at the time have pointed to binary relation. The "defined" meaning is also given at [52]. To me this suggests we should have an article about the character giving all the competing meanings, but more reliable sources than those I found in 2 minutes would be needed and maths is really not my strong suit. I'll ping the Mathematics wikiproject about this. Thryduulf (talk) 12:33, 2 March 2024 (UTC)- Thank you for this search. However, there is a confusion between this symbol (U+2259 ESTIMATES) and the symbol U+225C (DELTA EQUAL TO). The symbol under discussion is not mentioned at all in Glossary of mathematical symbols#Equality, equivalence and similarity and in Equals sign#Other related symbols. In Mathematical Operators (Unicode block), the only provided information is its Unicode name (ESTIMATES) and a link to the redirect under discussion. In List of mathematical symbols by subject#Equality signs, the provided information is a link to bijection where the symbol is not mentioned. In short, only the existence of the symbol appears in English Wikipedia, without any information on its usage and its meaning.
- From the second external link and the link to German WP, it seems that this symbol is used only in German elementary schools. The first external link seems not really reliable. The third external link is about U+225C (DELTA EQUAL TO), not about the link discussed here. D.Lazard (talk) 16:28, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
- @D.Lazard – Apparently this is used in statistics. A search turns up stack exchange "What is the symbol ≙ ..." where a commenter explains, "The hat above the equals sign is an estimator. Originaly estimators are used on terms. For example . But it has appeared (sometimes) more convenient to use it with an equals sign, especially in statistics. [...] then reads ' estimates ...'." Another page that turns up has people discussing whether to use or for this in LaTeX. –jacobolus (t) 15:52, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
Delete as perWP:REDLINK, due to Thryduulf's findings. This needs to be its own article, not a redirect. Lunamann 🌙🌙🌙 The Moooooooniest (talk) 13:20, 2 March 2024 (UTC)]- Retarget to Equals sign#Other related symbols as per jacobolus, Gonnym, Thryduulf, et al., who are correct in that the information we need is already here on the wiki. 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 19:33, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Equals sign § Other related symbols. The triangle or delta equals symbol, Latex "triangleq" which renders as is clearly a (somewhat) common symbol, as are the symbols and which mean the same. However, I have never seen this equals sign with a circumflex accent on it, or several of the other entries at ≟ should redirect to that section, and their possible meaning(s) can be discussed there. –jacobolus (t) 19:55, 2 March 2024 (UTC)]
- Delete - I don’t think a redirect is appropriate here. - Dyork (talk) 02:34, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - No redirect. PatrickR2 (talk) 03:55, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Equals sign#Other related symbols. There is no reason to remove valid redirects. Gonnym (talk) 10:32, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Equals sign#Other related symbols per jacobolus and Gonnym, this seems to be the most helpful for readers. Thryduulf (talk) 11:47, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Equals sign#Other related symbols as per above. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 23:35, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect to Equals sign#Other related symbols per above — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 10:37, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to ⊜ redirects to Equality (mathematics) (arguably a poor target since the symbol is not described there). ⪮, ⩦, ⩮ are red links. –jacobolus (t) 18:34, 18 March 2024 (UTC)]
LGBT reproduction
- ) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- LGBTQ reproduction → Use of assisted reproductive technology by LGBT people (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- LGBT Reproduction → Use of assisted reproductive technology by LGBT people (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Lesbian reproduction → Use of assisted reproductive technology by LGBT people (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Gay reproduction → Use of assisted reproductive technology by LGBT people (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- LGBTQ+ Production of Family → Use of assisted reproductive technology by LGBT people (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
(please also add LGBTQ reproduction, LGBT Reproduction, Lesbian reproduction, Gay reproduction and LGBTQ+ Production of Family to this discussion)
As noted in the move discussion at
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Relisting comment: Bundled the five mentioned.
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- Support per nom — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 10:39, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. I agree these are imprecise terms, but the article existed under that title for a few years, so per WP:RKEEP#4 we'd need a good reason to delete them. I don't think the nom makes a strong enough case for that. Is there another subject these titles could be referring to? I see some halfway plausible Google hits for this title. And LGBTQ+ Production of Family was merged into this article at AFD, with some significant history, so we shouldn't delete that (RKEEP#1). — The Earwig (talk) 04:06, 12 March 2024 (UTC)]
March 10
Birayma N'dyeme Eter
Public Transport in Newcastle
- ) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
First thing that is wrong is that the second and subsequent words should not be capitalized unless its a proper noun. But anyway, the thing is
- Delete as an ambiguous and miscapitalized term without a clear target. I don't see any overview articles about public transit in Category:Transport in Newcastle, New South Wales or Category:Transport in Newcastle upon Tyne, so there aren't good candidates for items on a potential disambiguation page. - Eureka Lott 20:25, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate (at Public transport in Newcastle with a lower case T): at a minimum this could refer to Newcastle upon Tyne § Transport, Newcastle, New South Wales § Transport, Newcastle-under-Lyme § Transport, Newcastle, County Wicklow § Transport, Newcastle, Dublin § Transport, Newcastle, County Down § Transport, New Castle, Delaware § Transportation, New Castle, Pennsylvania § Transportation, and quite possibly others I've missed from the Newcastle dab page. Rosbif73 (talk) 15:10, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- I don't know if it's verboten, but a disambiguation page that consists entirely of section links isn't typical. This may be an instance where it's better to let the search engine do its job. - Eureka Lott 15:25, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Transport in Tyne and Wear (which includes Newcastle-upon-Tyne) would make a good entry on that proposed dab page as well I think. Thryduulf (talk) 18:20, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Disambiguate: multiple places called Newcastle, and so we shouldn't be assuming people want any particular one of them. And this is consistent with base name Newcastle being a DAB page. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:31, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Eureka. We don't have any articles on public transport in Newcastle. Jay 💬 06:05, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
Alien 2
Proposing a retarget to Aliens (film). Although Alien 2: On Earth (apparently a real film) does contain the title "Alien 2", Aliens — the actual sequel to Alien (film) — is without question more notable and the more likely target when readers search for "Alien 2", seeking to find the sequel to the first film (but perhaps not remembering its title). InfiniteNexus (talk) 20:18, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
- Disagree, no evidence that people searching for this are actually searching for the film Aliens. While yes Aliens is much more notable than the film Alien 2, it hasn't been shown that that is where Alien 2 should redirect to. Canterbury Tail talk 21:05, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
- disambiguate Aside form "Aliens: Alien 2" videogame, and "Aliens" (film) the sequuel to Alien, and "Alien #2" (henchman #2) a fictional character from "Puni Puni Poemy" where the article has a paragraph about the character. -- 65.92.247.66 (talk) 05:20, 2 February 2024 (UTC)]
- Those do not have article and are thus not notable. InfiniteNexus (talk) 20:09, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
- The first 3 do.... -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 23:50, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
- Aliens: Alien 2 is a redirect. WP:PRIMARYTOPIC over the latter. InfiniteNexus (talk) 23:54, 4 February 2024 (UTC)]
- (one being a redirect, but has a page) -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 23:56, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry was replying at the same time. Yes, understood your point. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 23:57, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
- Much more notable, undoubtedly, but.... with an actually different name. So I still think a DISAMB page is helpful. However, if everyone agrees with you, no worries. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 00:01, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) If something is a redirect or doesn't have an article, it means it is likely not notable. Which means we should only be concerned with the two films, one of which is an FA and the other a stub. Which one's the obvious primary topic? InfiniteNexus (talk) 00:05, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
- Most likely the one that is actually called that way. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 08:15, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
- Try searching "Alien 2" on Google and see what you get. InfiniteNexus (talk) 18:55, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
- Again, I never doubted that Aliens was more famous than Alien 2: On Earth. Still, that is not what the film is actually called in English, is it? I'm sorry but I've understood your point, and if things need to be changed, I still would prefer a DISAMB. I have no further comment. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 19:26, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
- Try searching "Alien 2" on Google and see what you get. InfiniteNexus (talk) 18:55, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
- Most likely the one that is actually called that way. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 08:15, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry was replying at the same time. Yes, understood your point. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 23:57, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
- Aliens: Alien 2 is a redirect.
- The first 3 do.... -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 23:50, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
- Those do not have article and are thus not notable. InfiniteNexus (talk) 20:09, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with 65.92.247.66. Disambiguate.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 12:44, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, seems to be a R from move with a long history and incoming links. Also, per Canterbury Tail and the further examination by InfiniteNexus. Finally, there's already a disambiguation for Alien making a duplicate rather unnecessary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Respublik (talk • contribs) 15:39, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
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- Retarget to Aliens (film) "Alien 2" was intended as an unofficial sequel, therefore it automatically has less prominence than the actual sequel it was trying to mimic. If it were entirely unrelated, my opinion would be different. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 22:21, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
- Drafted a disambig with no primary at the redirect. If Aliens is the primary, the draft may be copied over to a Alien 2 (disambiguation). The Alien 2 entries may be removed from the Alien dab, and the Alien 2 dab be added to its See also. Jay 💬 13:27, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, I see that 65.92.247.66 created a disambig draft after the relist, but before I created my draft, and I was not aware of it. DrowssapSMM accepted the draft as Alien 2 (disambiguation) which was a REDLINK when I had suggested it. I see that the IP's dab also has no primary, hence the dab may be merge-and-redirected to Alien 2 or moved. Jay 💬 09:36, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to disambiguation page Alien (avoiding a duplicate list at a different disambiguation page). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 09:23, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
- Wow, the !votes really are all over the place here. InfiniteNexus (talk) 00:27, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to the existing DAB Alien#Films (a refinement of the proposed retarget by Shhhnotsoloud). That said, there really doesn't seem to be much consensus here yet... 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 15:20, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
- I feel like this should be a BARTENDER close. There seems to be almost no support for the status quo. InfiniteNexus (talk) 19:59, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: There is no consensus for the status quo, but no consenus on an alternative yet.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Thryduulf (talk) 11:56, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Alien#Films and let the reader decide which one they want to look at. --Lenticel (talk) 01:20, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Aliens (film) as suggested by the OP. Aliens is "considered among the greatest films of the 1980s" according to our article and must be very widely seen, I strongly suspect that the number of people searching for it who can't quite remember the title is still far greater than the number of people looking for the current target, which is very obscure. None of the other entries at the dab page are relevant to this search term. Hut 8.5 19:48, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Aliens (film) and hatnote to Alien 2 (disambiguation) as the primary topic. Failing that, move Alien 2 (disambiguation) over redirect. I oppose a retarget to Alien#Film, not all uses are films. -- Tavix (talk) 16:21, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- I'll note, for the record, that it takes merely a bit of scrolling to get to non-film topics, i.e. the games. Though perhaps a slight de-refinement to Alien#Arts and entertainment? 𝔏𝔲𝔫𝔞𝔪𝔞𝔫𝔫🌙🌙🌙 𝔗𝔥𝔢 𝔐𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔬𝔫𝔦𝔢𝔰𝔱 (talk) 16:33, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I'll note once again to the eventual closer that although the !votes above are all over the place, there is near-unanimous consensus to move away from the status quo, so if there ends up being no consensus on which page to retarget, the closer should use their best judgment to perform a WP:BARTENDER close. InfiniteNexus (talk) 16:59, 14 March 2024 (UTC)]
- Retarget to WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. A quick search on several search engines for Alien 2 comes up with it and I often hear the movie called that in real life (though I know that's not the best argument here). StreetcarEnjoyer (talk) 03:14, 17 March 2024 (UTC)]
- An editor who thinks ]
Shemʿon VIII Sulaqa
- Shemʿon VIII Sulaqa → Shimun VIII Yohannan Sulaqa (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This spelling does not seem to be used anywhere outside the Spanish Wikipedia.
]- Keep:Please note that the name "Aramaic languages. As the scope of the article is Syriac in nature and not Spanish, It would help various links to be re targeted and help Syriac Community as the pronunciation of the name is also based on the same, Thanks. J.Stalin S Talk 04:33, 12 March 2024 (UTC)]
Style (EP)
- Style (EP) → Style (Super Junior-D&E album) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
At this title for five minutes at creation due to a mistake of page creator. Incorrect and potentially confusing. Rusalkii (talk) 05:04, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Style (disambiguation)#Albums. Thryduulf (talk) 12:12, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
Mullhausen
- Mullhausen → Mühlhausen (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
This is not a correct spelling without diacritics (which will be Muehlhausen). This is not a popular misspelling either, Mullhausen is usually a family name.
]- Retarget to Mulhausen, Bas-Rhin. Change the hatnote there point to Mühlhausen (disambiguation). Jay 💬 09:02, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
War of the Aequans
November 9 1989
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 17#November 9 1989
Diagonal Star Clock
Crooked House murder
AGE
March 4
Fruit cups
Corea del Norte
Writer, illustrator, and publisher
Funny book
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 12#Funny book
Redirects with "Katha-" prefix targeting Comic book
Elements of a story
Candidates for the first novel
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 9#Candidates for the first novel
The novel
Histories (history of the novel)
Elements of a yarn
Creating Stories
Golden State Party
(Pokemon character)
Black War: Mission Exteme 2
Rainbow Coalition (Ireland 1992)
Terrorism in Israel
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 13#Terrorism in Israel
Deir el-Balah bombing
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 11#Deir el-Balah bombing
Matthew (Fire Emblem)
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 11#Matthew (Fire Emblem)
Down And Dirtys
- Down And Dirtys → Methaqualone (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Slang term which is not referenced in the article. "And" is also improperly capitalized. Delete. 162 etc. (talk) 05:04, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. Down and dirty is a disambig, but the only thing plausibly pluralised there is the Canadian synonym for Cuba Libra, but that would presumably be "Down and dirties". The capitalisation of "and" is irrelevant as it's equally plausible to "Down and Dirtys". Thryduulf (talk) 15:29, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hey man im josh (talk) 13:14, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - There's no reference on the target page and in quick searching I can't find any reference of this phrase to the target text. - Dyork (talk) 13:48, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
- Tentative retarget??? Found a few tentative references to "Down and Dirties" as a street name for this drug, being here and here. No clue exactly how good they are as references, but it seems to be a street name for the drug, if not a common one. In any case, any actual keeping of this redirect would probably require retargeting to the disambig, and making the disambig have a link to Methaqualone. Lunamann 🌙🌙🌙 The Moooooooniest (talk) 13:21, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom and Dyork. Also because of the incorrect pluralization. Jay 💬 06:15, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
Parsley Elementary
- Parsley Elementary → Wilmington, North Carolina#Primary schools (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Retarget to
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 06:54, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Wilmington, North Carolina#Elementary schools instead, in order to fix the wrong-section-heading issue (the article does not have a section called "Primary schools", but does have a section called "Elementary schools"). As it stands currently (edit: thanks to the nom), the name 'Walter L. Parsley Elementary' does show up in the article, as the listing for Masonboro reads "Masonboro (formerly called Walter L. Parsley Elementary)". In addition, the text 'Walter L. Parsley Elementary' in that listing is a link to Wilmington massacre, the proposed-by-nom target. Lunamann 🌙🌙🌙 The Moooooooniest (talk) 13:50, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: What should the target be? Wilmington, North Carolina#Elementary schools or Wilmington massacre?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hey man im josh (talk) 13:14, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to Wilmington, North Carolina#Elementary schools as that seems to be a logical expectation of an end user if they are searching on this phrase. Going to the Wilmington massacre page doesn't make much sense to me and the school mention is just brief and farther down the page. I would expect someone winding up on the massacre page would be confused about why they are there. - Dyork (talk) 13:52, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
- Restore and add details that were available at Wilmington massacre. I did not find the content to be relevant to the massacre article, so I trimmed it, but it is available in the history. Jay 💬 06:09, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
Koit (ajaleht)
Template:R from subtitle
- Template:R from subtitle → Template:R from more specific name (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I'm concerned that this rcat redirect is ambiguous. The term subtitle
seems likely to be thought of as referring to a subtitle on its own, but it's clear from previous discussion on the redirect's talk page that - when it was created - this rcat-redirect was intended for use on pages with titles in the form Title: Subtitle
. The ambiguity is shown from this rcat's incorrect referencing in comments during RfDs for Outdoor Retreat (2017 discussion) & Animal Parade (2022 discussion), other comments made on the redirect's talk page, and the 20 redirects from a subtitle on its own that are tagged with this rcat-redirect.
This ambiguity is problematic, as it means that redirects from subtitles on their own are being tagged as more specific versions of the target names; when the opposite is likely true. Because of this, and because the rcat {{
If consensus is found to delete this redirect, I propose that the redirects currently tagged with {{
Let me know if there are any queries. All the best. —a smart kitten[meow] 09:55, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
- Note: Notified the participants of the previous talk page discussion about this RfD, in addition to the talk pages of this redirect's current & previous targets. All the best, —a smart kitten[meow] 10:10, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
- Move and deprecate. The redirect should be moved to R from full name}} if desired) with correct uses migrated there. If the incorrect uses should use a new template:R from subtitle alone (or some similar name) (created as a redirect if separate categorisation is not currently desired). The current title should note that it is deprecated in favour of the two more specific options. Thryduulf (talk) 12:03, 4 March 2024 (UTC)]
- Keep. Redirects are cheap, and I don't find this confusing. Additional redirects can be created to cover the other cases. BD2412 T 16:32, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Agree with editor BD2412 that this has not been a source of confusion up to now. Problematic ambiguity (good catch btw, editor ASK) can be easily fixed as noted. ed. put'er there 10:56, 6 March 2024 (UTC)]
- @Paine Ellsworth: With respect, I'd disagree that there hasn't been any confusion up until now - in my opinion, the talk page discussion shows that there was confusion about the meaning of this rcat-redirect from at least 2015. The incorrectly tagged redirects also show that multiple editors using this rcat-redirect have been confused regarding its intended application. Unless there's something I'm missing (please tell me if there is), without this redirect either being deleted or (as Thryduulf suggests) moved and deprecated, I don't see how problems arising as a result of the ambiguity can be
easily fixed
: from what I can see, it would require someone to continuously check Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:R from subtitle for any redirects that don't match the target rcat - at which point, why not just have the other (non-ambiguous) rcats/rcat redirects for editors to choose between? All the best, —a smart kitten[meow] 11:28, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Paine Ellsworth: With respect, I'd disagree that there hasn't been any confusion up until now - in my opinion, the talk page discussion shows that there was confusion about the meaning of this rcat-redirect from at least 2015. The incorrectly tagged redirects also show that multiple editors using this rcat-redirect have been confused regarding its intended application. Unless there's something I'm missing (please tell me if there is), without this redirect either being deleted or (as Thryduulf suggests) moved and deprecated, I don't see how problems arising as a result of the ambiguity can be
- Yes, of course like editor BD2412 wrote, I meant that it's not been much of a source of confusion for myself. I do remember some back and forth on the talk pages about it, and I guess the editor who was actually going to turn this redirect into an rcat template in its own right never got around to it. Lot's involved with that, and it apparently was low on the priority list. ed. put'er there 11:48, 6 March 2024 (UTC)]
- Yes, of course like editor BD2412 wrote, I meant that it's not been much of a source of confusion for myself. I do remember some back and forth on the talk pages about it, and I guess the editor who was actually going to turn this redirect into an rcat template in its own right never got around to it. Lot's involved with that, and it apparently was low on the priority list.
Delete. I actually just fell for this one now. The name is definitely ambiguous; I interpreted it as categorising redirects that are solely made up of a subtitle, which I see now is incorrect. Loytra (talk) 14:22, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
Tenemos
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 11#Tenemos
Thuc
Dchicha
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 15#Dchicha
Glazed ham
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 11#Glazed ham
Osborn Corners, Ohio
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 11#Osborn Corners, Ohio
Fag Enabler
Unmentioned Pokemon characters
- Aaron (Pokémon) → List of Pokémon characters#Sinnoh Elite Four (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Bertha (Pokémon) → List of Pokémon characters#Sinnoh Elite Four (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Brycen → List of Pokémon characters#Unova Gym Leaders (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Brycen (Pokémon) → List of Pokémon characters#Unova Gym Leaders (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Burgh (Pokémon) → List of Pokémon characters#Unova Gym Trainers (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Caitlin (Pokémon) → List of Pokémon characters#Unova Elite Four (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Chili (Pokémon) → List of Pokémon characters#Unova Gym Trainers (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Clay (Pokémon) → List of Pokémon characters#Unova Gym Trainers (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Crasher Wake → List of Pokémon characters#Sinnoh Gym Trainers (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Cress (Pokémon) → List of Pokémon characters#Unova Gym Trainers (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Drasna → List of Pokémon characters#Kalos (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Drake (Elite Four) → List of Pokémon characters#Hoenn Elite Four (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Drayden (Pokémon) → List of Pokémon characters#Unova Gym Trainers (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Grimsley (Pokémon) → List of Pokémon characters#Unova Elite Four (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Glacia (Pokémon) → List of Pokémon characters#Hoenn Elite Four (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Gonzap → List of Pokémon characters#Team Snagem (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Hex Maniac → List of Pokémon characters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Marshal (Pokémon) → List of Pokémon characters#Unova Elite Four (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Pike Queen Lucy → List of Pokémon characters#Frontier Brains (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Pokémon Pinchers → List of Pokémon characters#Pokémon Pinchers (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Pokemon Pinchers → List of Pokémon characters#Pokémon Pinchers (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Shauntal → List of Pokémon characters#Unova Elite Four (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Shuantal (Pokémon) → List of Pokémon characters#Unova Elite Four (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Skyla (Pokémon) → List of Pokémon characters#Unova Gym Leaders (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Subway Bosses → List of Pokémon characters#Subway Bosses (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Pokemon character not mentioned at the target article. Utopes (talk / cont) 02:57, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
- Bundled the rest of these titles after leaving the following comment: "Bundle of other Pokemon character redirects without mentions at the target. After the removal of most/all gym leaders from the target, there are many misleading redirects that have been left as a result. I don't think it's possible to get through all of these in one go so this will only be a handful of possible egregious examples." Utopes (talk / cont) 04:04, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support – I cleaned this article out of all the non-notable cruft a while back, but never had the redirects deleted. This is good and necessary cleanup, thank you! ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:07, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
- support deleting all, but maybe checking if the unova elite four could get something someday cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:00, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
- Retarget to List of Pokémon anime characters. I've not checked every single one of these redirects, but those I spot checked are all mentioned there. Thryduulf (talk) 12:45, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
- i checked, and not all of them are there
- but if they were and got retargeted, i would support cleaning that list up and bringing 95% of the redirects back to rfd anyway, as it's currently only barely less fancrufty than a nintendo direct reaction stream cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:36, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oh boy, this is about to be a WP:TRAINWRECK isn't it? Will go through and figure out which appear in this alternate target and which don't, later, if someone else doesn't beat me to the punch. Lunamann 🌙🌙🌙 The Moooooooniest (talk) 14:36, 4 March 2024 (UTC)]
- Oh boy, this is about to be a
- Okay, here we go!
Extended content
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The following were not found at all:
The following were found at List of Pokémon anime characters#Elite Four:
The following were found at List of Pokémon anime characters#Unova Gym Leaders
The following were found at List of Pokémon anime characters#Sinnoh Gym Leaders
The following were found at List of Pokémon anime characters#Kanto Frontier Brains
The following were found at List of Pokémon anime characters#Unova Subway Bosses
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- The ones that are not found, delete, everything else, retarget to the relevant section of List of Pokémon anime characters as per Thryduulf and my own findings as listed here. Lunamann 🌙🌙🌙 The Moooooooniest (talk) 16:50, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
- Dear holy gods, Convenient Discussions did NOT like trying to edit that comment, something about the formatting screwed it all up. Note to self: Never use Convenient Discussions to edit a comment with a collapsible, always edit manually, else you're going to pull the entirety of RtD into the collapsible. Self-trout Lunamann 🌙🌙🌙 The Moooooooniest (talk) 16:54, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
- holy fuckeroni
- time for some notes from further research (totally not bulbapedia)
- with the exception of caitlin, the unova elite four is missing from the list, and also the anime (i'm not counting cameos in gotcha)
- there are two drakes. one is a hoenn elite four member, the other is an orange league gym leader, making the latter the true real drake from the anime
- glacia wasn't in the anime, apparently. i actually think this one could be a disambiguation like glaceon's japanese name, and that one is an actual pokémon, so it should logically have the (pokémon) redirect... right?
- for the subway bosses (really not sure why gen 5 loves them so much), ingo is kind of juggled between gen 5 media and legends: arkoos, so i don't know what to do with him
- for all the others, retarget them for now, but still don't be surprised if they end up back here if that list is ever cleaned up cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:52, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
- Dear holy gods, Convenient Discussions did NOT like trying to edit that comment, something about the formatting screwed it all up. Note to self: Never use Convenient Discussions to edit a comment with a collapsible, always edit manually, else you're going to pull the entirety of RtD into the collapsible. Self-trout Lunamann 🌙🌙🌙 The Moooooooniest (talk) 16:54, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Subway Bosses. Several video games have bosses in subways, in addition to the term in Pokémon apparently being more precise that "subway bosses". (No opinion on the others, but that one was really odd.) Steel1943 (talk) 19:33, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Gonzap, Hex Maniac, Marshal, Pok(é)mon Pinchers, and Shauntal as unmentioned and Subway Bosses as ambiguous, retarget the rest. Queen of Hearts she/theytalk/stalk 20:28, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
Chilli (dog)
Bingo (dog)
February 29
Gelo Racing
Manae
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 7#Manae
Sudoweedo
Laxbe
2024 Uttar Pradesh Legislative Assembly election
Mother Superior
Definition of Done
- Definition of Done → Scrum (software development)#Definition of Done (DoD) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Definition of done → Scrum (software development)#Definition of Done (DOD) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Definition of Ready → Scrum (software development)#Definition of ready (DOR) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
- Definition of ready → Scrum (software development)#Definition of ready (DOR) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
Not mentioned (or rather: not mentioned anymore) at the target page. Tea2min (talk) 10:47, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- Comment this was removed (along with "Definition of ready", which I've added to this discussion) in this edit with the summary "ce" in July last year by Dawkin Verbier. Thryduulf (talk) 11:05, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. This problem needs to be fixed by adding the missing information (back) to the article, not by removing it entirely from Wikipedia. WhatamIdoing (talk) 03:33, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 08:01, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- Either Remove as per WP:REDLINK,]
or Retarget, and Restore the removed section. Where to retarget? To the existing Done and Ready DABs, of course-- which should get linked to the relevant, restored parts of the original target article.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Lunamann (talk • contribs) 09:56, 24 February 2024 (UTC)- Comment: Whoopsie. (I want so badly to just use the Reply button, since it auto-signs the comment, but I've already gotten flak about how the Reply button seems to glitch-- putting my sig on a newline when it doesn't need one, and bumping the entire comment rightwards when it doesn't need to be. Is there some way to fix the Reply box, please??) Lunamann 🌙🌙🌙 The Moooooooniest (talk) 10:01, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
- You could try Convenient Discussions. voorts (talk/contributions) 23:32, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
- Huh. Took a bit to figure out how to change settings on it, but it seems to work well so far. Thank you! Lunamann 🌙🌙🌙 The Moooooooniest (talk) 01:58, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
- You could try Convenient Discussions. voorts (talk/contributions) 23:32, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Whoopsie. (I want so badly to just use the Reply button, since it auto-signs the comment, but I've already gotten flak about how the Reply button seems to glitch-- putting my sig on a newline when it doesn't need one, and bumping the entire comment rightwards when it doesn't need to be. Is there some way to fix the Reply box, please??) Lunamann 🌙🌙🌙 The Moooooooniest (talk) 10:01, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. RfD can't be responsible for the content of an article. Currently the terms aren't mentioned, and because they are potentially ambiguous, without a mention the redirects are confusing. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:37, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 07:19, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
- Delete all - Content at the current target is irrelevant. These would need to target the aforementioned dab pages. However: ]
- Comment – I would like to make clear that "Definition of Done" and "Definition of Ready" are terms of art in Scrum.[53][54] Redirecting these terms to the disambiguation pages Done and Ready would not make much sense, in my opinion. Tea2min (talk) 20:21, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with Tea2min that these should redirect to content related to Scrum (if we have it) or to somewhere that disambiguates the terms of art used in scrum and terms of art used somewhere else (if there is such a somewhere else and we have content), with a hatnote (redirect) or link (dab page) pointing to Wiktionary for definitions. They should not point to the generic dab pages unless these terms are mentioned there (it is unlikely they should). Thryduulf (talk) 11:43, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
- Pulling my suggestion to retarget to the DAB pages... which leaves my suggestion to WP:REDLINK. Lunamann 🌙🌙🌙 The Moooooooniest (talk) 14:16, 3 March 2024 (UTC)]
- Definition of Done had been turned to an article briefly for a day in 2018. I have tagged it with {{R with history}}. Jay 💬 08:51, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
Leonard Balsera
- Leonard Balsera → The Dresden Files Roleplaying Game (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
The name Leonard Balsera is not found in the target article. Recommend deletion of redirect. A draft BLP is pending AFC review. The alternative is to include a description of the work by Balsera on the game in the History section. Robert McClenon (talk) 08:33, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: @Robert McClenon: You saw on the draft that the guy worked on The Dresden Files Roleplaying Game right? Nobody (talk) 11:54, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
- biographical notability, the article says nothing about him unless it is edited. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:44, 13 February 2024 (UTC)]
- Keep - the name does indeed appear in the target article as the author of the work. WP:NAUTHOR applies to Balsera as the author of a notable work, anyway, and redirecting to the work is a reasonable temporary measure pending him having a BLP article - and is also the approach recommended by policy. Newimpartial (talk) 19:20, 13 February 2024 (UTC)]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 08:01, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as per Newimpartial and Nobody. Assuming that Robert simply didn't see the infobox (where the name is listed), and didn't do a ctrl-F search for it, given it was there when the RFD post was made. Lunamann 🌙🌙🌙 The Moooooooniest (talk) 10:21, 24 February 2024 (UTC)]
- Delete (and make the mention in The Dresden Files Roleplaying Game a redlink, per Reason 10 "If the redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article, and the target article contains virtually no information on the subject." Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:35, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 07:18, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
- Leonard Balsera is also shown as the designer of Fate (role-playing game system), a source of the The Dresden Files Roleplaying Game. But again, only in the Infobox. Delete, as no single target, and providing no more value than what a search would provide. Jay 💬 16:55, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Jay. * Pppery * it has begun... 19:28, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
List of "Cops/COPS/C.O.P.S." episodes
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 13#List of "Cops/COPS/C.O.P.S." episodes
Steve Villines
Phone
Ramon Morla
Job growth
February 20
B-rail
Hui (animal)
Dada (Ultra monster) and etc.
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 1#Dada (Ultra monster) and etc.
Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Archives/Years
- ) [ Closure: (@subpage) ]
I deleted this page as a G6, and it was requested that I instead formally nominate it for RfD.
There does not need to be a redirect here. I manually retargeted every incoming link when I retitled this page last October. There is no way for someone to access this internal Signpost page from Wikipedia. There are no inbound links from other websites that I know of. There is nobody trying to access this page. The existence of this redirect provides no benefit and creates additional burden for maintenance of the Signpost, as it is yet another one-off exception that has to be written into every script and template that uses this directory, every external tool that works off a list of pages, et cetera, et cetera. Every additional piece of special-case whoopsie-doozie only-used-for-one-page-ever code increases the maintenance burden for myself, as well as every future maintainer of the Signpost codebase -- there have to be extra lines of code to deal with this single anomalous redirect, and everybody who deals with the code (to modify it, to replace it, to add a feature or to remove an existing one) must spend time going over these additional lines.
The page title got about 16 views total in the months of November and December; a good number of those were probably from me as I was delinking it from other pages. The rest could have come from anywhere; people click on entries in the deletion log, web scrapers give normal browser user agents, et cetera.
The structure of the /Archives/ directory is very simple: Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Archives/
contains yearly archive pages. It does not contain anything else. The index page for these yearly archive pages is located at Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Archives. There is no need to have a separate /Years subpage. That's why we don't have one -- it's just at the base URL. Anyone who, for some reason (let's say someday a person clicks a link to this archive page from some external website) gets a 404 from a sub-URL can just follow the URL structure one level up and get to the place they want to be.
For further reference, there have been hundreds and hundreds of useless Signpost pages subjected to speedy deletion in the last year as I've been cleaning up the space, and consensus (whenever a discussion was required) has always been in favor of doing this. Last year someone demanded that I take these pages through formal processes, to prove with complete thoroughness that the community accepted them being deleted. The main outcome of this was that all these maintenance processes and cleanup were brought to a halt for about a month while these noms percolated through XfD, and all of them were approved, and it just consumed a lot of time (mine but also that of all the XfD participants, closers, etc). Here is a list of all of those formal nominations:
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jp×g🗯️ 05:11, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as an {{WP:R#K4, redirects as a result of pagemoves]
should not normally be deleted without good reason
due to the risks of breaking incoming links; and[l]inks that have existed for a significant length of time...should be left alone in case there are any existing links on external pages pointing to them
. Given that the page was at this title for over 17 years, and given the >100,000 pageviews the archive page received while at this title, it seems very plausible that offwiki links have been made to the previous archives page of a notable newspaper, which will be broken if this redirect is deleted. With respect to JPxG, there's no way of knowing how many external links have been made to a page, so the statement that there are nonefrom other websites that [they] know of
doesn't sway me towards deletion.I'm unfamiliar with the Signpost's scripts/templates/external tools and why this page would need to be filtered from them, but I don't think we should be deleting pages on the basis that they will break scripts - we should be building tools around the wiki, not the wiki around the tools. Especially in this case, I don't believe that that is a sufficient reason on its own to delete a redirect when such a deletion might cause harm (in this case, as a result of dead external links). Regarding the previous nominations, I believe that this page is substantially different to the previously nominated redirects, for the reasons I explained in a DRV comment in response to the list. All the best, —a smart kitten[meow] 15:43, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
- Forgive me for a moment of bluntness, but I don't expect you to be familiar with the Signpost's scripts, templates, and tools. Nobody is: furthermore, nearly everyone who tries to maintain them eventually becomes burnt out and stops. It's great to think "we should be building tools" in a particular way; if you would like to take a few months refactoring the Signpost's dozens of templates and scripts to reflect this philosophy, I'd love to bring you up to speed at Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia Signpost/Technical. But I do not expect that. What I would appreciate is that, if the person who maintains a codebase repeatedly says "doing this thing will cause a hassle and require additional spaghetti code to handle the stupid one-off edge case", you did not respond with "well I didn't look at any of the code but I bet it wouldn't".
- You have not articulated any reasonable way in which this "might cause harm". I have shown the pageviews: immediately after the page was retitled, they dropped to nothing. What is the hypothetical situation in which this causes harm? If somebody clicks a link to the archive page at the old location (virtually nobody has done this, but they might, hypothetically)... they get a "Wikipedia does not have a project page with this exact name" message, and then directly below the page's header, there's a prominently-placed blue link back to the correct location. The page's URL is also obviously formatted in a way that lets you go one level up. But even the situation with somebody sitting there is unlikely. In reality, those pageviews are almost certainly background noise from web scrapers and clicks on the deletion log, and pages (if there were any) which referenced them from an external site either didn't exist or were updated very quickly. The major problem facing the Signpost is not that we're losing a couple pageviews per month to someone who clicks a link to a relocated page and can't figure out how to click up to the main Signpost page and find the archives link from there: it's that we're losing thousands of pageviews per month due to lacking features other newspapers have, having things render incorrectly, et cetera. I have been spending a lot of time on coding stuff, and I haven't written an article myself in ages.
- The biggest actual issue the Signpost faces is that everything is built on twenty years of quick fixes and workarounds and weird one-off edge cases. Implementing a new feature (i.e. having bylines on the front page, having images on the front page, retrieving the lost subheadings for ten years of articles) pretty much always requires me to climb over a pile of "one little edge case"s. I realize that for you, "one little edge case" from a random redirect in a directory it doesn't belong in may not seem like a big deal, but they add up quickly for me, especially when there are thousands of Signpost pages to keep track of across multiple namespaces.
- I don't think that "Russell's teapot might have a Signpost URL written on the bottom" justifies a blanket prohibition on relocating or renaming Signpost pages unless a full copy of the 2007 directory structure (or the 2013 directory structure, or for that matter the 2022 directory structure) is preserved with redirects on top of the new locations in the same place and in the same namespace. I really don't think it's reasonable to have an open-source software project -- note that the Signpost's software structure is not in fact distinct from its content structure -- where maintainers have to spend weeks writing persuasive essays to justify every time they move a file. jp×g🗯️ 20:13, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
- @linkrot left behind by doing so might be a problem for future readers, though.All the best, —a smart kitten[meow] 05:06, 20 February 2024 (UTC)]
- I do not need you to admire me; I just want you to not actively prevent me from fixing technical debt.
- It's a lot of text because I am the editor-in-chief and primary technical maintainer of the Signpost, and you are asking that maintenance be subordinated to individual committee discussions on each page based on some entirely hypothetical notion that somebody might click on a page link and you think the text that tells them to go somewhere else isn't big enough.
- The text that's displayed, when the page tells somebody that the resource has been moved, is not big enough. Can you explain why this -- in the current situation -- justifies adding a page to the directory permanently, without simply gesturing to a guideline?
- You say that there were "100,000 views over the course of its life", but in reality there were 16 views (including me viewing the page) the month after it was moved. The number we should be discussing is less than sixteen. These less-than-sixteen page loads the month after the page was moved is the thing that you are requesting that I be forced to write additional code (and permanently make the directory structure more useful) in order to handle.
- In a comment below, I have explained how this kind of thing messes up queries and scripts. Yes -- I understand -- it can be worked around. I understand this. I am saying that working around it requires additional lines of code to be crammed into everything that handles it, and makes the overall codebase incrementally more difficult to deal with.
- Since the Signpost is entirely a volunteer project, and technical maintenace on the Signpost is a subset of an already-niche area of the project, adding arbitrary "trivial" obstacles to doing it results in even fewer people being willing or able to undertake it. I do not enjoy doing this anymore; I am extremely burnt-out, and discussions like this are the main reason why. You may think you are heroically maintaining the legibility of the archives to future generations. That's fine. But it was technical maintenance that retrieved all the previously-inaccessible subheadings from articles between 2011 and 2023; it was code that got every article from 2005 to the present indexed in the module; it was code that made it possible to read the archives in full. If you want to create arbitrary roadblocks to technical maintenance, and you think it's extremely easy to write and maintain all the scripts for the project within a directory structure that's forced to be confusing and redundant, please feel free to do that. jp×g🗯️ 17:27, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
- I do not need you to admire me; I just want you to not actively prevent me from fixing technical debt.
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- I was pinged here by something, probably one of the deleted/obsolete pages. I think JPxG should have some leeway to do the cleanup deemed necessary. The Signpost archives are a bit of a mess. I don't care about saving any prior archive layout or any legacy scripts/templates. ☆ Bri (talk) 19:02, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Due to my belief that JPxG has the qualifications necessary to determine the necessity of such a page due to being a frequent contributor, and the explanation above. Cheers, UnexpectedSmoreInquisition aka USI (talk) 19:08, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. I applaud the nominator's effort to clean up subpages in a way that makes sense, as I tend to get in the weeds of the project namespace myself in the same manner from time to time. However, since this is a {{]
- I have explained why it does not apply. If the price of being applauded is to be actively prevented from fixing issues, I would prefer obscurity. Every single issue that gets published involves about a half-dozen pages being moved without creating redirects.
- In this case, /Archives/ is a suburl of the main Signpost page, which should be something you can query to see how many archive pages there are. Since the Signpost was never subject to any sort of actual architecture decisions, there is a substantial amount of validation required to keep it functioning. For example, the number of issues is calculated by a database query for pages
WHERE page_namespace = "4" AND page_title LIKE "Wikipedia_Signpost/____-__-__"
. How might we see if there are issue pages that don't have archives? Well, we can see how many archive pages there are total; maybe we will useSELECT COUNT(*) as "Number of archives" WHERE page_namespace = "4" AND page_title LIKE "Wikipedia_Signpost/Archives/%" AND page_title NOT LIKE "Wikipedia_Signpost/Archives/____" AND page_title LIKE "%SPV%"
, or use{{#expr: }}
parser functions to subtract the output of a different template. I mean, I don't know -- I haven't written the software yet. - It should noted that the /SPV/ pages in the archive index are redundant to the /Single/ pages in the normal index which I've created for them, so I hope to deal with those in the future, and there would only be one
NOT LIKE
in this statement. It's true that I could put an additionalNOT LIKE
in the statement to account for the lonely /Years/ redirect, or add another clause that selects based on the page_is_redirect entry in thepage
table. But if you look at mw:Manual:page table you can see that features are often added, removed or changed (the actor table has had a lot of changes over the years, for example). The fewer moving parts that a database query has, the less it needs to be maintained in the future (and the easier it is for someone else, who didn't write it, to do so when necessary). Moreover, there could become bogus redirects (i.e. from pagemove errors) that would be excluded from the metrics if we just sayAND page_is_redirect = 0
. - One would expect it to be possible to get a full list of archive issue titles by
SELECT COUNT(*) WHERE page_namespace = "4" AND page_title LIKE "Wikipedia_Signpost/Archives/____-__-__"
, but what I have learned in the course of writing software to deal with this stuff is that the simple tasks will sometimes unexpectedly become complicated due to unforseen edge cases -- so it is best to keep open as many options as possible by using simple, consistent conventions wherever possible. - Here is a concrete example -- last January I went through the index of all pages, and found that there were upwards of a hundred useless redirects with no incoming links. Article names had been originally created with typos, or they were postponed, and whoever retitled them forgot to check the button to move without a redirect (or didn't have extended pagemover). This meant that SQL queries for e.g. {{Signpost/Number of articles}} was inaccurate by about a hundred, and that the module indices had hundreds of entries in them for nonexistent articles (and, similarly, that PrefixIndex results for Signpost articles would give incorrect results). Any attempt to analyze or graph output by year/issue would be inaccurate. Any attempt to make a list of articles would include nonsense. It took most of an afternoon to fix these, but now they are fixed and the problems no longer exist. Note that it did not take a month to engage multiple people in a formal discussion process to seek approval for each individual item, nor was the work prohibited on the basis of an abstract idea that redirects are always good. They were not "cheap", they made it impossible to do many tasks so long as they existed. Now, however, you can see the output of {{Signpost/Number of articles}} which is obtained using
SELECT COUNT(*) as "Number of articles" FROM page WHERE page_namespace = "4" AND page_title LIKE "Wikipedia_Signpost/____-__-__/%" AND page_title NOT LIKE "%/SPV";
and produces an accurate number of (currently) 5,503. Note, furthermore, that this is four lines of SQL, and not five, or six, or ten, because there are no workarounds necessary except for the /SPV pages (which I am working on anyway; when these are fixed the report should only be three lines of SQL). - Another example: I found a bunch of ghost articles in 2023, i.e. titles
Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2006-09-12/News and Notes
when there was no corresponding issue at Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2006-09-12. There were also ten ghost issues -- issue pages that had no subpages, corresponding to daily editions that weren't actually published, or created in error, or at the wrong location and moved. Again, these caused inaccurate statistics and broke some features. Any code that generated a list of issues was giving a list of nonsensical ghost issue links. Here, too, the pages were fixed without issue. This process was made possible by the fact that the number of redirects in Signpost article space was zero. Some backlinks did need to be fixed, which I was happy to do. As a result, {{Signpost/Number of issues}} returns 690, and not some other incorrect number. Similarly to the other template, it is a very small SQL query (SELECT COUNT(*) as "Number of issues" FROM page WHERE page_namespace = "4" AND page_title LIKE "Wikipedia_Signpost/____-__-__"
). This is a very small query, that requires virtually no documentation or specialized knowledge to understand. If there were a bunch of random unrelated crap pages in the directory, it would be a longer query, with confusing one-off edge-case handling.
jp×g🗯️ 17:06, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
- I have explained why it does not apply. If the price of being applauded is to be actively prevented from fixing issues, I would prefer obscurity. Every single issue that gets published involves about a half-dozen pages being moved without creating redirects.
- Medium keep - I do not see a reason to delete a long-standing historical title (e.g. broken external links, the preservation of wiki. history, etc.). I am, however, sympathetic to the idea that this would need to be deleted on technical grounds to prevent undue maintenance; if anyone can articulate that a bit more clearly and briefly, I would consider changing my opinion (please ping me as well). Could it not simply be ignored in such code? — Godsy (TALKCONT) 03:27, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Godsy: See my comment above; I've tried to explain how inconsistent directory structures can cause issues. jp×g🗯️ 17:28, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
- It seems that many of the past deletions and likely future ones have been and will likely continue to be useful maintenance. However, in this case it does seem that there is benefit to retaining the page as a redirect or some other sort of landing page with an explanation. If queries into the article count show a single (or even a few extra) articles than there really are, that doesn't seem too bad (and it seems there is a technical solution). I also sympathize with attempting to cleanup something that has, shall we say, unique challenges in this format. However much I tend to seemingly agree with A smart kitten, I always try to keep the bicycle-shed effect in mind, so I guess I will go down to the elusive 'medium keep' (certainly not feeling strong or weak, but slightly less than a normal keep). When redirects should be kept and deleted, especially after moves, is an oft misunderstood concept. If some of the other regulars at this venue are persuaded, I may reconsider, but for right now I'm pretty firmly where I am at. — Godsy (TALKCONT) 00:53, 23 February 2024 (UTC)]
- It seems that many of the past deletions and likely future ones have been and will likely continue to be useful maintenance. However, in this case it does seem that there is benefit to retaining the page as a redirect or some other sort of landing page with an explanation. If queries into the article count show a single (or even a few extra) articles than there really are, that doesn't seem too bad (and it seems there is a technical solution). I also sympathize with attempting to cleanup something that has, shall we say, unique challenges in this format. However much I tend to seemingly agree with A smart kitten, I always try to keep the
- @Godsy: See my comment above; I've tried to explain how inconsistent directory structures can cause issues. jp×g🗯️ 17:28, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per A smart kitten, Steel1943 and Godsy. There are well articulated reasons to keep this content easily accessible via these titles and clear potential harm from deletion that combined far outweigh the reasons presented for deletion. Thryduulf (talk) 05:23, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: While I do think there is currently enough of a consensus to keep, I want to give this more time to play out based on the nominator and their rational.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hey man im josh (talk) 18:49, 20 February 2024 (UTC)- @Hey man im josh: I'm confused - the last three !votes have been to keep. I'm not seeing how there's currently consensus to delete. All the best, —a smart kitten[meow] 19:06, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry @A smart kitten, I wrote it backwards. I've corrected this mistake. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:08, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Hey man im josh: I'm confused - the last three !votes have been to keep. I'm not seeing how there's currently consensus to delete. All the best, —a smart kitten[meow] 19:06, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. My first Wikipedia edit in a long time as I was pinged on this as the original creator of some subset of the pages under discussion. I don't understand why something that is clearly administrative in nature requires a wall of text of justifications to satisfy old-timers obsessed with pedantic details of links you can't even prove exist. ResMar 05:13, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Because there are arguments against the deletion of this redirect which mean it is not purely
administrative in nature
- if it was, this discussion wouldn't exist. My reasons for !voting to keep it are outlined above. (Also, to be clear, no pages created by yourself are nominated here.) All the best, —a smart kitten[meow] 03:33, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
- Because there are arguments against the deletion of this redirect which mean it is not purely
- Comment - I would ask that the closer of this discussion considers taking into account the unintentional notifications caused by a list of previous XfD nominations being copied into this one, which seems to have pinged the original creators of those Signpost-related pages. All the best, —a smart kitten[meow] 06:54, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: The underlying purpose for keeping an r from move, per the template info at Template:R from move, is: "to avoid breaking links, both internal and external, that may have been made to the old page name." More often than not when it pertains to mainspace articles, incoming links are a valid concern. But when it comes to switching from one internal archiving system to another, success is measured from a fresh start. As the person who's seemingly undertaken the reallotment of the Signpost archives, I trust Jpxg's judgement here (as the editor-in-chief of the Signpost, which this redirect falls under) and see no reason to keep this leftover which will have zero benefit as an "r from move", which is invisible to all after the updating of 100% of links, and only more struggles and headaches for the people that actually deal with this on a regular basis, i.e. Signpost regulars. Utopes (talk / cont) 18:04, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Utopes and jpxg. The falloff in traffic noted by jpxg suggests that there are few, if any, links pointing people to this page that would be broken by this change. signed, Rosguill talk 18:11, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: I agree with Utopes – volunteers working on Signpost should be relatively free in management of pages their readership uses to access what Signpost volunteers produced. Someone looking for archives of the Signpost surely won't be discouraged by a deleted, weirdly named "Years" subpage; they won't have trouble finding the archives, e.g. by reading the footer
Explore Wikipedia history by browsing The Signpost archives
on the front page. —andrybak (talk) 00:31, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
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DAC2
"DAC" does not appear anywhere at the target article, much less DAC2. I did a lot of searches for this term and everything has come up blank; I do not understand this redirect. There's
- DAC2 is a term commonly used to refer to the EU implementation of the Common Reporting Standard - this is referred to in Common Reporting Standard #Participants although it does not contain the specific phrase DAC2.
- Keep with a Template:Distinguish hatnote pointing to digital-to-analog converter and DAC (disambiguation). -- C. A. Russell (talk) 12:53, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, signed, Rosguill talk 15:49, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
- I disagree with the hatnote: there's no mention of DAC2 at the targets. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:19, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. There is (still) no mention at the target and without it this redirect is confusing. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:19, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
Keep and tag with {{R without mention}} so Djw001 or another editor can add mention to the CRS article. Jay 💬 09:45, 9 February 2024 (UTC)]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 07:42, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Inherently confusing, we've had almost a month at RfD and nobody has been inspired to do anything about the lack of mention - if it doesn't happen now then it never will. * Pppery * it has begun... 17:46, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per Pppery. It's now been a month since this was nominated and there is still no mention of this term anywhere in the encyclopaedia that I can find, so this redirect is unhelpful. Thryduulf (talk) 11:59, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment,, Djw001's only edit of 2024 was in January, where they said they would add something here. They have not made any edits for nearly 2 months now. Whenever they add something that could warrant DAC2 incoming, the redirect could be recreated, depending on the material. Utopes (talk / cont) 00:09, 17 March 2024 (UTC)