Wikipedia:Templates for discussion

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On this page, the deletion or merging of templates and modules, except as noted below, is discussed.

How to use this page

What not to propose for discussion here

The majority of deletion and merger proposals concerning pages in the template namespace and module namespace should be listed on this page. However, there are a few exceptions:

Stub templates
Stub templates and categories should be listed at
Categories for discussion
, as these templates are merely containers for their categories, unless the stub template does not come with a category and is being nominated by itself.
Userboxes
Userboxes should be listed at
Miscellany for deletion
, regardless of the namespace in which they reside.
Speedy deletion candidates
If the template clearly satisfies a
Db-author
}}.
Policy or guideline templates
Templates that are associated with particular
Wikipedia policies or guidelines, such as the speedy deletion templates
, cannot be listed at TfD separately. They should be discussed on the talk page of the relevant guideline.
Template redirects
List at
Redirects for discussion
.
Moving and renaming
Use Wikipedia:Requested moves.

Reasons to delete a template

  1. The template violates some part of the
    template namespace guidelines
    , and can't be altered to be in compliance.
  2. The template is redundant to a better-designed template.
  3. The template is not used, either directly or by
    template substitution
    (the latter cannot be concluded from the absence of backlinks), and has no likelihood of being used.
  4. The template violates a policy such as
    Civility
    and it can't be fixed through normal editing.

Templates should not be nominated if the issue can be fixed by normal editing. Instead, you should edit the template to fix its problems. If the template is complex and you don't know how to fix it,

WikiProject Templates
may be able to help.

Templates for which none of these apply may be deleted by consensus here. If a template is being misused, consider clarifying its documentation to indicate the correct use, or informing those that misuse it, rather than nominating it for deletion. Initiate a discussion on the template talk page if the correct use itself is under debate.

Listing a template

To list a template for deletion or merging, follow this three-step process. The use of Twinkle (explained below) is strongly recommended, as it automates and simplifies these steps. Note that the "Template:" prefix should not be included anywhere when carrying out these steps (unless otherwise specified).

Step Instructions
I: Tag the template. Add one of the following codes to the top of the template page:
  • For deletion: {{
    subst:Tfd
    }}
  • For deletion of a sidebar or infobox template: {{
    subst:Tfd
    |type=sidebar}}
  • For deletion of an inline template: {{
    subst:Tfd
    |type=inline}}
  • For deletion of a
    subst:Tfd
    |type=module|page=name of module}} at the top of the module's /doc subpage.
  • For merging: {{subst:Tfm|name of other template}}
  • For merging an inline template: {{subst:Tfm|type=inline|name of other template}}

Note:

  • If the template nominated is inline, do not add a newline between the TfD notice and the code of the template.
  • If the template to be nominated for deletion is
    Template editors
    .
  • For templates designed to be
    substituted
    , add <noinclude>...</noinclude> around the TfD notice to prevent it from being substituted alongside the template.
  • Do not mark the edit as minor.
  • Use an edit summary like
    Nominated for deletion; see [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion#Template:name of template]]
    or
    Nominated for merging; see [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion#Template:name of template]].
  • Before saving your edit, preview your edit to ensure the Tfd message is displayed properly.

Multiple templates: If you are nominating multiple related templates, choose a meaningful title for the discussion (like "

subst:Tfd|heading=discussion title}} or {{subst:Tfm
|name of other template|heading=discussion title}} instead of the versions given above, replacing discussion title with the title you chose (but still not changing the PAGENAME code).

Related categories: If including template-populated tracking categories in the TfD nomination, add {{Catfd|template name}} to the top of any categories that would be deleted as a result of the TfD, this time replacing template name with the name of the template being nominated. (If you instead chose a meaningful title for a multiple nomination, use {{Catfd|header=title of nomination}} instead.)

TemplateStyles pages: The above templates will not work on TemplateStyles pages. Instead, add a CSS comment to the top of the page:

/* This template is being discussed in accordance with Wikipedia's deletion policy. Help reach a consensus at its entry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024_March_19#Template:template_name.css */
II: List the template at TfD. Follow this link to edit today's TfD log.

Add this text to the top of the list:

  • For deletion: {{subst:Tfd2|template name|text=Why you think the template should be deleted. ~~~~}}
  • For merging: {{subst:Tfm2|template name|other template's name|text=Why you think the templates should be merged. ~~~~}}

If the template has had previous TfDs, you can add {{Oldtfdlist|previous TfD without brackets|result of previous TfD}} directly after the Tfd2/Catfd2 template.

Use an edit summary such as
Adding [[Template:template name]].

Multiple templates: If this is a deletion proposal involving multiple templates, use the following:

{{subst:Tfd2|template name 1|template name 2 ...|title=meaningful discussion title|text=Why you think the templates should be deleted. ~~~~}}

You can add up to 50 template names (separated by vertical bar characters | ). Make sure to include the same meaningful discussion title that you chose before in Step 1.

If this is a merger proposal involving more than two templates, use the following:

{{subst:Tfm2|template name 1|template name 2 ...|with=main template (optional)|title=meaningful discussion title|text=Why you think the templates should be merged. ~~~~}}

You can add up to 50 template names (separated by vertical bar characters | ), plus one more in |with=. |with= does not need to be used, but should be the template that you want the other templates to be merged into. Make sure to include the same meaningful discussion title that you chose before in Step 1.

Related categories: If this is a deletion proposal involving a template and a category populated solely by templates, add this code in the |text= field of the Tfd2 template but before the text of your rationale:

{{subst:Catfd2|category name}}
III: Notify users. Please notify the creator of the template nominated (as well as the creator of the target template, if proposing a merger). It is helpful to also notify the main contributors of the template that you are nominating. To find them, look in the
talk page
of the template. Then, add one of the following:

to the talk pages of the template creator (and the creator of the other template for a merger) and the talk pages of the main contributors. It is also helpful to make any interested WikiProjects aware of the discussion. To do that, make sure the template's talk page is tagged with the banners of any relevant WikiProjects; please consider notifying any of them that do not use Article alerts.

Multiple templates: There is no template for notifying an editor about a multiple-template nomination: please write a personal message in these cases.

Consider adding any templates you nominate for TfD to your watchlist. This will help ensure that the TfD tag is not removed.

After nominating: Notify interested projects and editors

While it is sufficient to list a template for discussion at TfD (see above), nominators and others sometimes want to attract more attention from and participation by informed editors. All such efforts must comply with

Wikipedia's guideline against biased canvassing
.

To encourage participation by less experienced editors, please avoid Wikipedia-specific abbreviations in the messages you leave about the discussion, link to any relevant policies or guidelines, and link to the TfD discussion page itself. If you are recommending that a template be speedily deleted, please give the criterion that it meets.

Notifying related WikiProjects

WikiProjects are groups of editors that are interested in a particular subject or type of editing. If the article is within the scope of one or more WikiProjects, they may welcome a brief, neutral note on their project's talk page(s) about the TfD. You can use {{Tfd notice}} for this.

Tagging the nominated template's talk page with a relevant Wikiproject's banner will result in the template being listed in that project's

Article Alerts automatically, if they subscribe to the system. For instance, tagging a template with {{WikiProject Physics}} will list the discussion in Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Article alerts
.

Notifying substantial contributors to the template

While not required, it is generally considered courteous to notify the

talk page
.

At this point, you've done all you need to do as nominator. Sometime after seven days have passed, someone else will either close the discussion or, where needed, "

relist
" it for another seven days of discussion. (That "someone" may not be you, the nominator.)

Once you have submitted a template here, no further action is necessary on your part. If the nomination is successful it will be added to the

Holding Cell
until the change is implemented. There is no requirement for nominators to be part of the implementation process, but they are allowed to if they so wish.

Also, consider adding any templates you nominate to your watchlist. This will help ensure that your nomination tag is not mistakenly or deliberately removed.

Twinkle

Twinkle is a convenient tool that can perform many of the posting and notification functions automatically, with fewer errors and missed steps than manual editing. Twinkle does not notify WikiProjects, although many of them have automatic alerts. It is helpful to notify any interested WikiProjects that don't receive alerts, but this has to be done manually.

Discussion

Anyone can join the discussion, but please understand the deletion policy and explain your reasoning.

People will sometimes also recommend

subst
or subst and delete and similar. This means the template text should be "merged" into the articles that use it. Depending on the content, the template page may then be deleted; if preserving the edit history for attribution is desirable, it may be history-merged with the target article or moved to mainspace and redirected.

Templates are rarely orphaned—that is, removed from pages that transclude them—before the discussion is closed. A list of open discussions eligible for closure can be found at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Old unclosed discussions.

Closing discussion

Administrators should read the closing instructions before closing a nomination. Note that WP:XFDcloser semi-automates this process and ensures all of the appropriate steps are taken.

Current discussions

March 19

Template:Us-bowling-score-sheet

Unused. DB1729talk 03:00, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:REC US

Template is under-used, transcluded on only 35 pages. NeutralhomerTalk • 02:11, 19 March 2024 (UTC) 02:11, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Project namespace#Wikipedia how-to and information pages 2600:1004:B1A3:76DD:3CA8:346:B245:C0C0 (talk) 02:35, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's underused because, in my estimation, adding it as a standard transclusion to infoboxes (as suggested) is not needed. However, that's not a reason to delete it; there are pages where it could be useful. Sammi Brie (she/her • tc) 03:44, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]


March 18

Template:DFW Radio/doc

Unused. Parent template uses Navbox documentation. DrChuck68 (talk) 21:34, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Beaumont-Port Arthur Radio/doc

Unused. Parent template uses Navbox documentation. DrChuck68 (talk) 21:29, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Reading List Topicon

Unused. From what I can gather, this template's only function is to display a download icon where transcluded, but not at the top where topicons go, as implied by the name. DB1729talk 13:59, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Growth of solar PV

Unused graph template. Gonnym (talk) 08:36, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is unused because the Graph module is still disabled. If we start deleting all charts using the graph extension, there will be no reason to reactivate it and we will miss an essential tool for data visualization Ita140188 (talk) 09:14, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's unused because it was already removed from everywhere it might have been used. Disabled templates are still transcluded and show up as used. Also, the graph isn't coming back. Gonnym (talk) 09:28, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes it was removed because the graphs are disabled. Graph isn't coming back is not the official position of the WMF, until then I would avoid deleting charts which would be lost forever Ita140188 (talk) 13:35, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They've basically said they can't fix and don't have resources for it in a recent post. Gonnym (talk) 17:47, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and add {{transclusionless}} to the documentation. It is difficult to know whether mw:Extension:Graph/Plans will go anywhere, but this template has a clear use once there is some way to generate graphs again. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:31, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I very much oppose falsely identifying a template as transclusionless when it isn't. {{Growth of solar PV}} may have been used at some point but the someone or a group of editors have decided they don't want it anymore. Gonnym (talk) 17:49, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm pretty sure that they decided they don't want a "graphs aren't working" notice in the articles that were using this template, so it has been removed temporarily until graphs are fixed. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:03, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Other graph templates haven't been removed and keep the ugly notice. As it stands this template was removed and the graph isn't coming back in any foreseeable future according to the ticket comments. Gonnym (talk) 18:06, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, plicit 13:19, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Winter storm bar gap

The only content is the documentation of another template and thus it should be deleted.

AATalk 12:10, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
]

@Hurricane Noah it's used in Template:2020–21 North American winter buttons and Template:2021–22 North American winter buttons. Not sure if it is really needed, but that is a different issue to what your argument was. Gonnym (talk) 19:52, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I missed what it did the first time around,
AATalk 21:03, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, plicit 13:07, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete it is literally just adding <tr></tr>, this doesn't need a template for it, as it's 8 characters. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:07, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Hurricane season bar gap

The content of the template speaks for itself.

AATalk 21:28, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, plicit 13:07, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:2024 Women's Premier League (cricket) squads

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's
talk page or in a deletion review
).

The result of the discussion was speedy delete per author request. plicit 11:19, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unnecessary template that clutters up pages, and is also misleading, because the templates linked aren't specific to 2024 squads. We have separate templates for all 5 teams, we don't need a combined template, as this means that every article has 5 templates linked on it instead of the 1 that is needed in most cases. All the articles currently using this template are already linked by {{2024 Women's Premier League (cricket)}} which is a better template. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:15, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template or module's
talk page or in a deletion review
). No further edits should be made to this section.

Template:Drum Corps Associates

This competitive circuit no longer exists, as it has been effectively merged with Drum Corps International for the 2024 season. The related page has already been deleted. I wish to retain the category, however, and simply rename it. Why? I Ask (talk) 06:03, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Chongqing Liangjiang Athletic F.C. squad

Same reason as Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2019 September 16#Template:Bury F.C. squad - the club no longer has any players as it ceased to exist. IDontHaveSkype (talk) 01:31, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete as not a current team, there's a precedent from loads of other teams to delete these templates if the team no longer exists. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:36, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:03, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Dalian Professional F.C. squad

Same reason as Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2019 September 16#Template:Bury F.C. squad - the club no longer has any players as it ceased to exist. IDontHaveSkype (talk) 01:31, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete as not a current team, there's a precedent from loads of other teams to delete these templates if the team no longer exists. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:36, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:03, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Shenzhen F.C. squad

Same reason as Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2019 September 16#Template:Bury F.C. squad - the club no longer has any players as it ceased to exist. IDontHaveSkype (talk) 01:31, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete as not a current team, there's a precedent from loads of other teams to delete these templates if the team no longer exists. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:36, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:03, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]


March 17

Template:Chadwick Professors of Civil Engineering

Navbox with one blue link in body. DB1729talk 23:44, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Ladakh elections

Only three links. Not enough for navigation. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 14:38, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:LDS Temple Map North Mexico

Unused map. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 14:32, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Concur with deletion nomination. Formally used and since been replaced. Dmm1169 (talk) 17:46, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Indian States Ruling Parties

Unused map. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 14:30, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Lakes in Viken

Unused and lakes of a former county in Norway. All listed are transcluded through their respective Norway county lakes navboxes. All of which can be found through Template:Lakes in Norway which doesn't include former counties. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 14:28, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete, Viken lasted only a couple of years, and as both Viken and its template has been superceded by other, there is no need for navigation within this entity. Geschichte (talk) 08:27, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Recblock-v

Same as what I said below, stale and outdated. Kinda feels unneccessary for me. kleshkreikne. T 13:39, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Recblock

Template looks stale and unused. I don't think we need this template. We can report users to AIV, instead of manually reporting them to admins on their own user talk page. kleshkreikne. T 13:38, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Topicon fakeEC

Creating something that can easily deceive other editors isn't something that should fall under the allowed humor templates. Gonnym (talk) 13:03, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Unblock-spamun

Propose merging Template:Unblock-spamun with Template:Unblock-un.
For whatever reason, this template looks and feels the exact same as the latter. kleshkreikne. T 07:45, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Officially used writing systems in India

I researched this thoroughly. Of the scripts include in this info box, only three have any official standing. The rest are just used by convention. PepperBeast (talk) 01:09, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. Yes, it is not the use of the scripts that is officially/legally enshrined, but rather the languages written with them. Nevertheless, for every language that has official status at the national or state level in India, there is an associated script (in a very few cases two scripts). The use of this script is a simple matter of fact for most of these languages, just like English is written in Latin script. I don't think there is an explicit regulation about the latter fact in the US, the UK, Australia, Canada etc., but I'm sure English writing in Cyrillic won't bring you far in an official context (or any other context). So when for instance the lawmakers who passed the Telangana Act No. 9 of 1966 ("Telangana Official Languages Act") wrote: "The Telugu Language shall be the Official Language; and the Urdu Language shall be the Second Official Language", they wouldn't have dared to imagine that their "negligence" to mention the associated scripts could be construed as not having given official standing to the respective scripts. –Austronesier (talk) 18:47, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't see how X being associated with every language that has official status at the national or state level in India means X should have an infobox template. Lots of things are associated with lots of other things; you need to show this specific grouping is more natural, useful, or current in the scholarly discussion than other possible groupings.

    they wouldn't have dared to imagine that their "negligence" to mention the associated scripts could be construed as not having given official standing to the respective scripts

    But the fact they chose not to mention it is clearly evidence that this is not a grouping or categorization system of interest to them! Our ontologies need to reflect those in the real world; otherwise we veer into
    WP:OR territory, at best, if not outright irrelevance. Brusquedandelion (talk) 04:41, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
    ]
    Please show us the definition of "official" used in Wikipedia that you are applying here. Please do not create a definition on the fly. Chaipau (talk) 20:00, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There is a whole article on what an official language is! The wonders of Wikipedia. Brusquedandelion (talk) 02:13, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Huh? We are discussing scripts here, not languages. They are different. Chaipau (talk) 02:49, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    And? As I've commented elsewhere, I think it's official if it's named in legislation, as a few scripts are. What's the definition you think applies? PepperBeast (talk) 03:01, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. As per User:Austronesier above.
It is also not true that there is no "official" recognition of the "scripts". The Government of India has actively participated (sometimes in a confusing way) with the Unicode Consortium to create standards for these scripts to be used digitally. Here is an example: Unicode Standard for Indic Scripts UTC #94. This is a letter from a government officer [1]. Caveat—please do not use the Unicode standard to define the Indic scripts. Chaipau (talk) 00:40, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, but the Government of India working with the Unicode Consortium has absolutely nothing to do with official status. This argument is patent nonsense. Brusquedandelion (talk) 04:10, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's just not relevant. There might be some case for content regarding South Asian scripts in Unicode, but that tangential to this. PepperBeast (talk) 13:20, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Brusquedandelion, why is it patent nonsense? @Pepperbeast, why it is not relevant? I think you are just pushing your case.
@Pepperbeast, you have been hacking away without any good reason. [2] is an example, where you have removed perfectly academic sources and something that has been extensively discussed and debated. I am not certain you know exactly what the issues here are. Chaipau (talk) 01:22, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, that edit was just a plain clumsy manoeuvre on my part, and we're discussing the issue at hand, not me PepperBeast (talk) 02:55, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Now, as mentioned, I do think one could make a much better case for a much more natural grouping being scripts which are used in India, regardless of official status; or, arguably even better, {{Brahmic scripts}}, which is a way of grouping scripts that scholars actually use and not something some Wikipedia editor came up with one day because they felt like making a template. Again, these alternatives have been raised by at the two talk pages linked at the beginning of this message, as well as at the AfD for the corresponding article, but the creator of this template/article has made no attempt to engage with this suggestion, quite possibly because they realize their proposed categorization is clearly and self-evidently less natural and defensible. Brusquedandelion (talk) 04:36, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This. Also, there can be some pretty substantial difference between the intentional and the assumed. The selection of Devanagari by the Union or Meitei mayek script in Manipur, are absolutely intentional, political choices, not just underlining of conventions. And I absolutely agree that this is just not a useful grouping the way that (say) 'Writing Systems of India' might be. PepperBeast (talk) 13:15, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please note that the scripts used in India are not all "Indian". There is Tibetan script, which is not an Indian script, but which descends from Brahmi script, which is definitely Indian; and there is Nastaliq, which is an Arabic script but used in many Indian languages. Both non-Indian and Indian scripts have support in India, as the PDF I have posted above shows. South Asian is also not right, because the Tibetan script is not even South Asian.
We look forward to a glimpse of your thorough research on this subject.
Chaipau (talk) 20:09, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps you could also explain to me how water is wet. PepperBeast (talk) 09:38, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Nosection

Used only in a sandbox of the creator, this appears to be experimental, and not clear why anyone would want to disable section edit links. DB1729talk 00:46, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]


March 16

Template:Tyler-Longview Radio/doc

Unused. Parent template uses Navbox documentation. DrChuck68 (talk) 20:00, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

VTA platform diagrams

Tabular track layout diagrams of these types were deprecated in 2020: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains/Archive: 2020#Closure of 2019 station layout RFC. That was especially true for simple double-tracked diagrams such as these. Mackensen (talk) 18:54, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Savannah Bananas roster navbox

This may serve as a navbox to former MLB players who have appeared once or twice as guest players for the Bananas but for the rest of the roster, it is a non-functional navigation box. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 16:00, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not delete/Stay. I made this as its creator because while the Globetrotters, much older and more famous internationally, has a player roster template in Wikipedia, the Bananas, much younger and owing to their origins as a college summer ball team, have no roster templates. Only two names are present with their own articles who are have had been active in the pro leagues - Bill Lee and Ryan Kellogg. Eric Jones Jr., who a few years ago was a bullpen catcher for the Seattle Mariners in the MLB before joining the exhibition Bananas, has no article here. The rest of the names are all those who came to the organization from college teams, MiLB and independent leagues in the United States. They too have no article, but are active moreso in social media outlets. This is to ensure that the Bananas fans especially those of its flagship pro team know who's who playing behind the jersey numbers and also that those who have appeared as guest players wearing bright yellow in Bananas games be known to the wider community and sports fans alike. Given the growing popularity of the Bananas' exhibition teams especially social media wise in the United States and internationally, it is best that it will remain. JMRAMOS0109 (talk) 07:58, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But the purpose of a Navbox is to link related articles. This only links to retired MLB players and Ryan Kellogg (and even Kellogg’s page only once mentions his involvement). The Savannah Bananas page serves its purpose to inform readers about the team. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 23:30, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Uw-cap1

I was looking for a user warning template about writing in all capital letters, and I stumbled upon this... thing. This is not a legitimate warning template. In fact it contains a brazen insult. Please familiarise yourself with how grammar works in English... seriously??

WP:NPA anyone? This should be speedily deleteable but I don't think it is unfortunately. Taking Out The Trash (talk) 00:29, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
]


March 15

Template:Sabrbio1

Propose merging Template:Sabrbio1 with Template:Sabrbio.
They both serve exactly the same purpose and have almost the same layout. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:18, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom. Dennis C. Abrams (talk) 18:05, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:NBA Arena Statues

This template seems to be for statues installed outside NBA arenas, regardless of whether or not the statues depict NBA players. I do not understand the criteria for inclusion, as there are probably hundreds of statues installed outside NBA arenas. --Another Believer (Talk) 19:02, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@
NBA arenas. Perhaps the list will grow over time but who knows if any new statues will be constructed. - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 21:58, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
Keep (creator of template) as it's a concise and valuable navbox. - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 22:46, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per BeFriendlyGoodSir's attention and research on the topic. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:38, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Then what do we do with Template:Statues of NBA figures? Both created by the same user and encompasses the nominated templates listing, but the only articles are of status of NBA figures at NBA arenas while the rest of the navbox is text with the only links to NBA players, but not articles of said statues. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 15:07, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Good point. That navbox is pretty wordy. BeFriendlyGoodSir, are all of the statues on the arena navbox also on the Statues of... navbox? Randy Kryn (talk) 15:12, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Statues of NBA figures includes only statues of NBA players at any location (non-NBA arenas included). Some obviously still need article creation but they do meet notability. It does not include statues of boxers, announcers, and so on at NBA arenas. The following are only on Template:NBA Arena Statues: Statue of Oscar De La Hoya, Statue of Wayne Gretzky, and Statue of Luc Robitaille. I should also note that Template:Statues of NBA figures is also the full list of statues as far as I can tell. - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 18:32, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think Template:Statues of NBA figures should be kept and Template:NBA Arena Statues should be kept. Template:Statues of NBA figures might become oversized 500 years from now just like many other navboxes on Wikipedia. Template:NBA Arena Statues will never be oversized since it is capped at 30 arenas. - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 18:59, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep NBA Arena Statues and move Statues of NBA figures to userspace. The latter template for the most part is duplicating the nominated template with the links that already exist in the nominated template. The overlap is one thing, but the rest of the template is text and is just waiting for articles to be created. It isn't ready to be used in article space and has no distinct navigational purpose outside of NBA arena statues. Ultimately we are gonna need one template that encompasses links to articles of NBA statutes.

Template:Latest ARCA

No transclusions, documentation, or incoming links. Created in April 2022. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:40, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Oslo Metro icon

Template is now unused (other than in one TfD discussion) after I replaced usages with data from

ric}}). Gonnym (talk) 14:48, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
]


March 14

Template:Roman Kingdom Campaigns

The campaigns described in this template all come from the mythological period of the Roman kingdom, involving men (Romulus most especially) who are broadly believed not to have existed. This is part of a broad set of XFD listings that I intend to commence (AFD). Ifly6 (talk) 21:31, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: the articles should be deleted before this template. If the pages don't get deleted then this template is fine. Gonnym (talk) 06:51, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Lists of Lower Saxony MPs

Navbox with only two blue links in body. DB1729talk 19:26, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Golden Globe Award Best Motion Picture Musical or Comedy Recipients

This is an article masquerading as a navbox. We already have {{Golden Globe Award Best Motion Picture Musical or Comedy}} covering the films, we don't need this as well. --woodensuperman 13:52, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Duplicate template. Gonnym (talk) 06:48, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Golden Globe Award Best Motion Picture Drama Recipients

This is an article masquerading as a navbox. We already have {{Golden Globe Award Best Motion Picture Drama}} covering the films, we don't need this as well. --woodensuperman 13:51, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Duplicate template. Gonnym (talk) 06:48, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:BAFTA Best British Film recipients

This is an article masquerading as a navbox. We already have {{BAFTA Best British Film}} covering the films, we don't need this as well. --woodensuperman 13:50, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Duplicate template. Gonnym (talk) 06:49, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:French schools in Central and Eastern Europe

Very vertical navbox, only tangentially related to one another. No article on the subject. Would have thought better left for category navigation. --woodensuperman 11:43, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: They are all related to each other in that they are schools for French national children outside of France. The criteria for being listed is being are accredited by/affiliated with the Agency for French Education Abroad (AEFE affiliation = it is a school for French national children outside of France). These templates are divided by region because there are too many such schools for a single template. As for the article about the subject, it is "Agency for French Education Abroad". WhisperToMe (talk) 19:28, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: No commenting yet on the nomination, but the template can be reduced in size instead of a line per country, where most countries have only one link, to just do [[article link|city or country]] and leave Germany and maybe Switzerland on their own line. Gonnym (talk) 06:54, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: There's nothing wrong with it. Roovinn (talk) 15:35, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox Latin Bible without verses

Recently created template that replaced usages of {{Infobox book}}. Either restore that template or replace with {{Infobox Bible translation}}. There is no reason to have these unmaintained forks. Gonnym (talk) 10:17, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Bahn-Linie

Unused German line template. Gonnym (talk) 08:51, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox Sanamahist term

Purely exists to present a list of translations/transliterations.

Wikipedia is not a dictionary. PepperBeast (talk) 02:02, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply
]

  • Keep : This template functions in the similar way like those of
    WP:IDONTLIKETHEM
    .
WP:NOTDICTIONARY.PepperBeast (talk) 16:29, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
The template isn't for Meitei language proper names. It is for Sanamahism, for which different languages have some of their own way of spellings and pronunciations, which is done in many other similar templates too. Language and religion are different entities. Haoreima (talk) 03:34, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, plicit 13:00, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, plicit 03:44, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Christmas-themed literature

Too wide-ranging and inexhaustable to be useful as a navigation aid, better left for category navigation. Articles are only tangentially related to one another. --woodensuperman 13:21, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep—Very useful aid for navigating through the various Christmas-themed works of literature, particularly useful to any Wikipedian looking to research said works of literature.  Template is narrowly confined to Christmas literature, excluding Christmas songs, films, television, and paintings.  Works included are more than just "tangentially related"; said works often include (besides Christmas itself) other similar and overlapping themes, too, such as giving, kindness, and magic, if not similar settings (Winter, snow), characters (Santa), and other motifs rarely found outside of Christmas-themed literature.
Template is no more inexhaustible than any other media-based template; by this I mean to say that, while more Christmas-themed novels may be written over time and thus added, the same can be said of, e.g., Foo Fighters songs being added over time to Template:Foo Fighters, and I do not believe Christmas-themed novels are being written as rapidly as Foo Fighters songs.  (If it is protested that Template:Foo Fighters, e.g., is shorter than Template:Christmas-themed literature, it should be recognized that, even though Christmas has been around for one-hundred-times as long as Foo Fighters, the template is only twice-as-long.)
Whereas something like Template:Literature with dogs or Template:Literature about love certainly would be far too inexhaustible to be useful, this is not; Christmas-themed literature is far more narrowly delimited, and certainly sufficiently delimited to make it not-too inexhaustible.  Christmas-themed works include so many recurring motifs that said works are easily related to one another, which would not be the case with Template:Literature with dogs or Template:Literature about love.
allixpeeke (talk) 19:12, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Extremely bloated navbox. Should be added to the main list article or be better used for categories for these articles in the template. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:28, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, plicit 03:44, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox Latin Bible

This recently created infobox template was used on pages where infobox book was previously used (compare: Infobox Latin Bible vs Infobox book). Other than adding latin verses to the infobox for some unclear reason, there isn't that big a difference and this creates yet another template that needs maintenance. Revert the replacments and delete this template. Gonnym (talk) 18:24, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep This template was created because the current Infobox Bible translation couldn't be used on Latin Bible articles due to the lack of parameters "Preceded by" and "Followed by". Latin verses are included not due to an "unclear reason" but because this is a replacement for the Infobox Bible translation. Another template, the Infobox Latin Bible without verses, has been created for articles where it's nearly impossible to find the text of the Bible to include specific verses.
EXANXC (talk) 02:49, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If the problem was missing "Preceded by" and "Followed by" that is an awful reason to create a fork of an infobox. Propose those parameters at that template's talk page and see if you have consensus to add them. Gonnym (talk) 10:14, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, plicit 03:43, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]


March 13

Template:Elections in Italian regions

A bloated navbox in which every link to an election for each Italian region's elections are already covered by a respective navbox for each region. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:48, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep I could agree that the navbox is bloated (I have long supported and argued for the original, slimmer version), but it is quite useful in order to navigate through the pages on elections in each Italian region or autonomous province. Also, the template is consistent with several templates. It is harmful and useful. --Checco (talk) 14:21, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Then we could go for that version. Just link the main election article of Italian regions instead. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 14:28, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Whenever you want. Would you withdraw the deletion proposal and restore the slimmer version? --Checco (talk) 14:33, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with the need to keep the slimmer, streamlined version of the template.--Autospark (talk) 13:48, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Best DVD award navboxes

Unsuitable to have awards navboxes for DVD re-issues, the subject of the links is the film, not the media release. Would only be acceptable if we had articles on the physical media releases themselves. How many more film award navboxes do we need?!? --woodensuperman 12:16, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Your nomination is not based in any guideline and is in fact
WP:IDONTLIKEIT. As long as the main article exists and the pages linked in the navbox are related, then there is no difference between this and any other award. If you have an issue with award templates in general then start a discussion and get consensus for change. Gonnym (talk) 07:33, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
Not at all. There is a major difference between this and other award templates. The awards shown here are for the DVDs, i.e. the physical media releases, not for the films themselves. If we were linking between articles about the DVD then it would be a different situation, but that is not the case. The films did not win these awards, the producer of the DVD reissue did. --woodensuperman 09:23, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also to consider is the North American
WP:UNDUE. --woodensuperman 11:31, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
No bias here. It's a NA award for NA film on a NA article. Completely fine. I'm sure I said this before (even though I created some award navboxes myself), I believe that in general these are really a bad idea (even for Oscars) and would support deleting them all, but won't support removing some by personal taste. Gonnym (talk) 10:22, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Except it isn't fine.
List of Doctor Who DVD releases, then navbox inclusion would make sense. But that is not what we are seeing here. --woodensuperman 12:12, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, plicit 23:31, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Arie Azis

Navbox with two blue links and one transclusion. The subject has no WP article. DB1729talk 12:34, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Texas League location map

Unused Minor League Baseball map template. Gonnym (talk) 11:43, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: template's uses had been disabled due to a problem with a module used by the OSM location map template. That template now avoids the problematic module, so I have re-enabled this map. Waz8:T-C-E 03:48, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Good to hear. Withdraw my nomination. Gonnym (talk) 07:57, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Taxonomic authority disambiguation

Unused disambiguation template. Gonnym (talk) 11:33, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. Taxonomic authorities do not need to be disambiguated. For plants and fungi, there are standardized, unique abbreviations for each authority. For animals, authorities are cited by surnames which may not be unique, but ambiguous surnames for zoological authorities can be handled by {{Surname}}.
Plantdrew (talk) 16:05, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Virusbox/parameter chk

Unused sub template after the parent template was converted to Lua. Gonnym (talk) 11:31, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:WikiProject Military history/bchecklist

Unused template. Was removed from template here. Gonnym (talk) 11:21, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:WikiProject Military history/Any

Unused other than in one old talk discussion. Gonnym (talk) 11:20, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:WikiProject Military history/NormalizedClass

Unsed sub template. Was removed here. Gonnym (talk) 11:19, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:WikiProject Mizzou/doc

Unused as the parent uses |DOC=auto. Gonnym (talk) 11:10, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:WikiProject Post-hardcore/invite emo

Unused and no future usage for this as the project moved in 2014 and whoever needed be notified should have been in the last 10 years. Gonnym (talk) 11:09, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:WikiProject Writing sign up/bulleted

Unused. Isn't used by its parent

]

Template:Youth Olympic games medal count

Unused. Seems Template:Olympic Games medal table has replaced it. Gonnym (talk) 10:54, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:WikiProject talk other/scdecode

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's
talk page or in a deletion review
).

The result of the discussion was Moved without redirect to User:Mathglot/Sandbox/Templates/WikiProject talk other/scdecode with comment "Still need to develop this; moved temporarily to avoid autodeletion." by Mathglot (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 02:05, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unused sub template. Gonnym (talk) 10:53, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template or module's
talk page or in a deletion review
). No further edits should be made to this section.

Template:Yesno-yes/fallback

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's
talk page or in a deletion review
).

The result of the discussion was speedy delete per author request. plicit 11:36, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unused template. Seems it never caught on. Gonnym (talk) 10:48, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure what I was intending to use this for. Tagged as G7. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 11:28, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template or module's
talk page or in a deletion review
). No further edits should be made to this section.

Template:OSM Location map/styles.css

Unused style template. If added to template during this discussion, withdraw my nomination. Gonnym (talk) 10:45, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Multiref2/styles.css

Unused style template. If added to template during this discussion, withdraw my nomination. Gonnym (talk) 10:45, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I created it as part of this discussion: Template_talk:Unbulleted_list_citebundle/Archive_1#Templatestyles. It looks like the matter was resolved. Anyway, using the templatestyles to fix alignment in different skins was an ugly cludge and best consigned to history. —  Jts1882 | talk  14:41, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Edit taxonomy/styles.css

Unused style template. If added to template during this discussion, withdraw my nomination. Gonnym (talk) 10:45, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:2023 Rugby World Cup Pool D

Unused as it was subst here. Gonnym (talk) 07:41, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:2023 Rugby World Cup Pool C

Unused as it was subst here. Gonnym (talk) 07:40, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:2023 Super Rugby Pacific standings

Unused as it was subst here. Gonnym (talk) 07:38, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:2002 NFC standings

Unused. A different table style is used at 2002 NFL season#Final regular season standings. Gonnym (talk) 07:34, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per nomination.  Mta910 (talk) 23:54, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:2022 Super Rugby Pacific standings

Unused as it was subst here. Gonnym (talk) 07:31, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:2015 Super Rugby standings

Unused as it was subst here. Gonnym (talk) 07:30, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:2012 Democratic Party presidential primaries imagemap

Unused and unlinked from anywhere. Gonnym (talk) 07:29, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Baltimore Metro SubwayLink platform diagrams

Tabular track layout diagrams of these types were deprecated in 2020: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains/Archive: 2020#Closure of 2019 station layout RFC. That was especially true for simple double-tracked diagrams such as these. Mackensen (talk) 00:52, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per RfC. Gonnym (talk) 07:16, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Framingham station

Unused in the article space and duplicates {{Framingham (MBTA station)}}. Mackensen (talk) 00:31, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Island platform

Tabular track layout diagrams of these types were deprecated in 2020: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains/Archive: 2020#Closure of 2019 station layout RFC. In addition, these particular templates are only used on two articles. Mackensen (talk) 00:23, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per RfC. Gonnym (talk) 07:16, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]


March 12

Template:IZombie

Only four links to any articles not including the creators linked above. Both characters' links are to the same article but to the respective section on both the comic series and TV series. And the link to the comic series is featured twice.

Removing the non article links in the first section and the one link to the article section, you would have only three links within the navbox. No navigation is met with this. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 17:11, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I've cleaned it up and there are four links after the subject plus the two comic book creators. This is borderline
WP:NENAN for me, but I've seen far worse. --woodensuperman 10:36, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
Thanks for doing so. But it's pretty bare bones. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:31, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, plicit 23:40, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Single White Female

Just three links.

WP:NENAN. --woodensuperman 16:39, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
]

Template:Weybourne railway station present

No transclusions of, or incoming links to, this broken railway diagram. Created in December 2023. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:20, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Signers of the U.S. Declaration of Independence

Substantial duplication, all signatories and other related links already included in the "Declaration of Independence" section of {{Historical American Documents}} so no additional navigational benefit. Alternative would be to split {{Historical American Documents}} into its component parts. --woodensuperman 13:10, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom because I agree, its redundant since the {{Historical American Documents}} covers it and does so in more detail. But I'm against splitting {{Historical American Documents}}; not really necessary. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:25, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
These two are not redundant, the signatories navbox is in alphabetical order and is placed on each page. What you suggest is place the Historical documents navbox on each of the signatories pages - why not both. One an easy alphabetical listing and the other a fuller look at the document and its creators. This is the founding document of the United States, a little leeway in allowing both navboxes to function would be appropriate due to the weight of the topic, especially since they are both long-term navboxes and that nobody (no one, not a reader or editor) has complained before this discussion which shows the acceptance level of such detail and Wikipedia mapping information. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:40, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Template:Historical American Documents seems like it could be easily split into four navboxes already, and the signers of United States Declaration of Independence seems to be a large enough subtopic to warrant a split. The others either are not large enough to split out the signers or do not have an article on the topic. (Oinkers42) (talk) 17:15, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So are you advocating a split, utilising this one as the base template? --woodensuperman 09:07, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Ruhuna Rhinos

Current squad template for defunct cricket team. Pkbwcgs (talk) 00:34, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Old discussions

March 11

Tri-Rail layout diagrams

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Tabular track layout diagrams of these types were deprecated in 2020: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains/Archive: 2020#Closure of 2019 station layout RFC. That was especially true for simple double-tracked diagrams such as these. Mackensen (talk) 21:46, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

March 10

Weather infoboxes

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It had been decided in a discussion at

AATalk 16:47, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
]

Delete after replacing tranclusions with {{Infobox weather event}}. The RfC closed with consensus to replace the infoboxes with the new template which should be implemented. Gonnym (talk) 19:48, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

March 8

Template:Cahiers du Cinéma's Top Ten Films

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Subjective list, should be deleted for all the same reasons the AFI and Sight and Sound ones were. See discussions here and here --woodensuperman 16:23, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Doczilla Ohhhhhh, no! 06:42, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep It's one of the most prestigious of movie lists since the 1950s. Espngeek (talk) 12:17, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That's fine for a list article, but not a navbox. --woodensuperman 12:32, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Lists, navboxes. and categories are all, by guideline, complementary and should not be excluded because another of these three forms are utilized. All three are allowable and each is used and preferred by different readers. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:38, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That doesn't mean that all are appropriate for each case. --woodensuperman 10:41, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • delete, I am not seeing the "all time per 2008" in Cahiers du Cinéma's Annual Top 10 Lists or Cahiers du Cinéma? Frietjes (talk) 16:52, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • The poll was taken in 2008. Is this fact being on the navbox your reason for deletion? Randy Kryn (talk) 02:52, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • so, the fact that the poll is out-of-date is why it's not either article, but good enough for a navbox? Frietjes (talk) 21:36, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You misunderstand, my fault. The Top Ten of All-Time was the 2008 poll, of interest to "all time" film fans, but they also do a yearly poll of the Top Ten of the Year as well, which is linked. Not everyone knows this, and the navbox alerts readers of the all-time films to it. This poll is important, but not as interesting as the Sight and Sound poll of all time films taken and looked forward to every ten years, and has two parts: critics and directors (interesting comparing the two). Randy Kryn (talk) 22:11, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
every ten years seems like a strange reason to have a poll that is 15-16 years old, and also strange that the most interesting poll is not in the article. also, not sure why we are talking about Sight and Sound when this discussion is about Cahiers du Cinéma. Frietjes (talk) 15:26, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The every ten-year poll is the famous Sight and Sound poll. It is really a touchstone of film importance and the acceptance by critics and directors of relative importance. These two polls are related and important due to their quality and historical importance. I don't know which article you are pointing to which doesn't include either of the polls. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:33, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
can we agree that this discussion is about Cahiers du Cinéma navbox and not the Sight and Sound navbox? Frietjes (talk) 15:38, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Of course, but still interested in what article you referred to which might be lacking key information, thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:42, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
see above where I say I am not seeing the "all time per 2008" in Cahiers du Cinéma's Annual Top 10 Lists or Cahiers du Cinéma. Frietjes (talk) 15:52, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. The first is an article on the yearly top ten lists, not the all-time list. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:47, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
so, still no reason why this list isn't in Cahiers du Cinéma, but I guess we should merge it there per WikiCleanerMan above. Frietjes (talk) 19:48, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

March 4

Template:Universities and colleges (dis)established in YYYY category header

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Propose merging Template:Universities and colleges (dis)established in YYYY category header with Template:Universities and colleges established by year.
I'm trying to preserve the edit history, because is template was renamed/moved without attribution to the edit history. Mason (talk) 23:56, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:School districts (dis)established in YYYY category header

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Propose merging

Template:School districts established by year
.
I'm trying to preserve the edit history, because is template was renamed/moved without attribution to the edit history. There are a lot of these changes.
Mason (talk) 00:04, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:WikimediaNoLicensing

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This template is legally void. Text on Wikipedia is licensed under Creative Commons (CC) licenses that allow relicensing under later versions of the licenses, as well as some other specific compatible ones (Free Art, GPLv3). No template can change this fact; contributors agree to the license from the Terms of Use. Best, Frostly (talk) 21:06, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete The whole point of editing here is shown under the edit box: "By publishing changes, you agree to the Terms of Use, and you irrevocably agree to release your contribution under the CC BY-SA 4.0 License and the GFDL." There should not be a confused "I'm special" template. Johnuniq (talk) 23:10, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete – quoting myself from
    WP:HERE; or as Johnuniq phrased it, that they are somehow "special". Mathglot (talk) 00:53, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
    ]
  • Subst and delete. Pointless template, at least currently, as far as article text is concerned:
    • GFDL 1.3 did not say editors could opt out of WMF's relicensing of their contributions in 2009.
    • CC-BY-SA 3.0 (used from 2009 to 2023) has a provision that makes it compatible with newer versions, though does not allow relicensing of existing contributions.
    • CC-BY-SA 4.0 does allow relicensing under newer versions (and compatible licenses from the Creative Commons list) for derivative works. Again, there is no opt-out provision.
    • Unlike many companies that operate Internet platforms (e.g. Meta, in section 3.3 of their terms), or some that run open source projects, the Wikimedia Foundation does not include in their Terms of Use a broad license for them to use submitted content, limited only by a vague purpose of use. Rather, editors grant WMF the same permissions that they grant every other member of the public, which do not include the right to sublicense their work.
    • The WMF generally does not write or edit articles or select which ones appear on the site, so likely won't have rights that way.
    So at best, this template has no legal effect: aside from the relicensing that already happened in 2009, WMF has no special permission to relicense article text. At worst, editors who place this template on their user pages may be breaching not only the Terms of Use, but also CC-BY-SA 4.0, by refusing to grant the WMF the same license as every other member of the general public. Subst the template rather than remove it entirely so that it's still possible to find who those editors are. PleaseStand (talk) 06:41, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    PleaseStand, Can you clarify your goal? If the goal is only to see which editors had it, then you could replace it with just a hidden comment, like <!--WikimediaNoLicensing substed on {{timestamp}}--> or whatever. If your goal is to leave the rendered user page unchanged but trackable, then your proposal is needed, but I wasn't clear which you were going for. I think I might be swayed to support your !vote, maybe even either way, but I think I prefer the hidden code method. Mathglot (talk) 06:56, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    By subst and delete, I meant: preserve the existing text on each user page the template is already used on. I don't think that it is outside the realm of possibility that, in the future, a dispute could arise about whether the 2009 relicensing of GFDL contributions was legally valid in such cases. Such information should be retained and not altered; replacing the original text with a differing comment visible only in the wikitext source code is not OK. PleaseStand (talk) 09:19, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Coming here from the VPWMF discussion. Are there any grandfathering issues we need to take into account? Beyond that, while I certainly have no support for using this template, I have concerns about the rush to delete that cause me to lean oppose. Given that its usage is mostly historical at this point, it has historical value as an example of how early editors thought about copyright, and to the extent any users are still using it, it could have value aiding collaboration by indicating their views (much like political userboxes). We grant wide leeway for users to edit their user page as they see fit, so the bar to overcome that and remove something that an editor chose to add should be high.
    That said, the content of this template, like all others, is under community control. If we're concerned about it giving a misleading impression, we could just edit it to add an addendum that it's legally meaningless. Sdkbtalk 18:14, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    As I state in my reply to Mathglot above, we shouldn't significantly alter users' statements of their views, including contemporaneous ones regarding what others are allowed to do with their contributions under copyright law. This is why I said to subst and delete—to preserve the statement in its original form for users who already added it (and still have it on their user pages), and to avoid future use that may arise should the template continue to exist and show up in various lists.
    That said, if there still are users who would like to use this template, here's a different idea that might be worth considering. First, add an argument, such as |version=1, at all existing transclusion sites. Then, conditionally add some phrase like "except as consistent with CC BY-SA or other free licenses that apply". The old version of the text would still appear where it did before (the |version=1 case), while the new version would show for new uses that leave out the version argument.
    I can see some significant drawbacks though. Old user page revisions would be misleading, as those transclusions cannot be fixed. Users might discover and misuse the version parameter, because they find that it makes the text shorter or simpler. It may be possible to avoid the first issue by checking the revision timestamp from within the template, and the second issue by showing an error message if the page title is not on a list that could be created at the time the text is changed. Subst and move without redirect would be simpler, with the only disadvantages being that the text will not show up for old revisions and that new uses would have to be under a different name. PleaseStand (talk) 09:19, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

March 1

AFI templates

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Speedy delete per

WP:CSD#G4. Recently recreated navboxes were deleted unanimously per this discussion. Recent deletion of similar navboxes here shows that appetite has not changed. --woodensuperman 08:34, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
]

  • Great value in navigation. If seen at someone's favorite film a reader may want to follow the pattern of films chosen by AFI as representing the best of the profession. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:55, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    How is that represented in this navbox? Stick to the articles, content of these navboxes is way too tangential. --woodensuperman 16:46, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • The articles on a film or actor listed in the navbox may mention the honor, but would not give readers an overview of the thinking of the critics of their profession about the totality of films and individuals so-honored. The navboxe does this instantly. Navboxes are very wonderful things, and may be one of the most undervalued of Wikipedia features. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:33, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Absolutely Keep: Concur with @Randy Kryn, in that the navbox functions in the exact same way as a Best Picture Oscar box would. With BP, those are sometimes dubious decisions that receive mixed retroflection. AFI Top lists are more valued and esteemed, regarded as the best of the best, and therefore, it does in fact guide a user to other high caliber titles or list items. There is nothing objectionable about this navbox; it is very well-maintained, clean, functional, informative, and useful. I also concur w/ @Mushy Yank that the reason isn't sound either. --Cinemaniac86TalkStalk 16:54, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sounding the alarm? Let's also ping get all the editors who edited these and any other film poll/award navboxes. I don't understand why, upon reading that some editors have good keep reasons, editors don't just let navboxes-under-discussion stay. If a healthy percentage of experienced editors find value in them then a percentage of readers would too. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:02, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
None of the reasons are good "keep" reasons. All I'm seeing is
WP:NAVBOX. --woodensuperman 11:10, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
They are completely suitable topics for a navbox, and concisely present the best films and film stars as reputably polled by the American Film Institute (with much press sourced coverage I may add). What "is interesting" is that only 50 stars were named in the "100 stars" poll. As for the Cahiers du Cinema's top ten films, they are accepted as a major poll, and the navbox highlights the top ten of all time in an easily understood format. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:23, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is an article from 2008. Should we have navboxes every time a magazine or website or film society list their favourite films? What about a navbox for TimeOut's Best Martial Arts Movies of All Time while we're at it? Or The BBC's 100 Greatest Comedies of All Time? All of these lists fail the purpose of a navbox. These films do not form a clearly defined set, they're just opinion polls. --woodensuperman 11:32, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The honoring of these films and actors is the clearly defined set. The 2008 poll is definitely accepted as one of the major all-time polls, with the main poll being Sight and Sound's esteemed tenannual poll. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:35, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's not a definitive set by any stretch. "Best of" is always subjective. It's just opinion. --woodensuperman 11:38, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
? The Academy Awards are just opinion. The Nobel Peace Prize is just opinion. The Golden Globes are just opinion. Will also ping Butlerblog who has shown past interest in voting in film poll deletion requests. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:53, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm no fan of any "awards" navboxes, but that is a list of winners for any given year, not nominations. At least an award is something tangible, appearing in an opinion poll is not. Also Randy, I should warn you about pinging an individual editor just because you think they will agree with you in an attempt to game the system. Did you ping all of the editors in the discussions that this user expressed an opinion in? --woodensuperman 12:01, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, you pinged them. But left out Butlerblog. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:08, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No I did not, they did not participate in either of the linked AFI discussions
WP:AGF, but... --woodensuperman 12:13, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
Oh, you just pinged the AFI discussion, I included the Sight and Sound deletion request participants (there were three, two of them must have also commented at AFI). I'm acting in good faith in wanting readers to have these good navboxes available to them, if that's what you're concerned about. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:18, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, this is about the previous discussions for the AFI templates, not the separate Sight and Sound one. Your comment that you are "wanting readers to have these good navboxes available to them" seems like an admission of bad faith on your part. And stop claiming these are "good" navboxes, as previous consensus shows they are not. --woodensuperman 12:33, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So wanting readers to have these navboxes available to them is "an admission of bad faith"? Uh, okay (insert gif of Homer Simpson backing into the bushes here). Randy Kryn (talk) 13:17, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You've admitted that you
WP:CANVASSED this user because you want the navbox kept. --woodensuperman 13:23, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
I canvassed one person because you were canvassing the participants in these poll deletions and left one out. I thought you included the Sight and Sound deletion because it's been discussed in this discussion, but you didn't (the two others who commented were in your ping list). Randy Kryn (talk) 13:32, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think Randy Kryn has supported that it's
WP:APPNOTE, not canvassing. And as noted, had I known about the other AFI discussions ahead of time, I most certainly would have provided input. I can only watch so much at any given time, and it's frustrating to find out about these after the fact. ButlerBlog (talk) 16:49, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
  • Why would a reader have to view the AFI listing as a film's defining feature? Not understanding that point. And if a navbox on the page lists the AFI films then a reader is being given the option of reading the navbox and possibly would be interested in reading about, say, the first three films on the list. I don't understand the point of your last sentence. Randy Kryn (talk) 02:49, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • delete as navbox creep. a list article is enough. Frietjes (talk) 16:55, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not a reason to delete, the guidelines reiterate that lists, navboxes, and categories are all equal ways to navigate pages on Wikipedia and should not be argued as an either=or choice. Randy Kryn (talk) 02:44, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    They are different ways to navigate, not equal ways. It doesn't mean that all are suitable in each case. --woodensuperman 12:08, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • The connection is obvious: AFI's selection. As for a list as opposed to the template, see
    WP:CLN where the summary reads: "This page in a nutshell: Categories, lists, and navigation templates are three different ways to group and organize articles. Although they each have their own advantages and disadvantages, each method complements the others.", and in the text: "Accordingly, these methods should not be considered in conflict with each other. Rather, they are synergistic, each one complementing the others." Randy Kryn (talk) 09:14, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
    ]

Completed discussions

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