Wikipedia talk:Paid-contribution disclosure

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Paid participation:
poetic perspectives

I won't argue for fun,
I won't argue for free,
with someone who's paid
to argue with me.


I'll argue all day,
I'll fight 'til I'm tired.
At least if I lose
I won't get fired.

How to measure paid editing

I'm been thing about one of the issues with tackling undisclosed paid editing, in that we don't really have a picture of how much paid editing is going on (beyond "a lot"), so therefore we can't tell if paid editing is increasing, decreasing, or neither.

I did think at counting job ads and acceptances on sites such as Upwork, but sampling that is difficult, and that measures at most demand and not how much then occurs. So my first thought is to write code to identify articles created almost complete in one edit by new editors with under 20 previous edits behind them. But that picks up the more experienced paid editors, and it won't pick up the newer ones, so you would only be counting the impact on a particular subset. That might be enough, but are there any other behaviours which would tend it indicate "paid" and which could be picked up programatically? - Bilby (talk) 05:14, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Bilby: I wrote Wikipedia:Measuring conflict of interest editing on Wikipedia a few years ago for one approach.
Also I organized meta:Research:Automatic Detection of Online Abuse, which could be a model for detecting any class of users like the paid editors you describe. If you want to talk it through then say more. Bluerasberry (talk) 19:53, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I asked a paid editor to contribute their org's media and expertise

If anyone cares to comment then please do.

I am not aware of other precedents in which Wiki editors have asked paid editors to give content in their field of expertise. Thoughts from anyone? Bluerasberry (talk) 19:57, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As I noted at the policy Village Pump, there is a potential conflict of interest for paid editors in editing articles in a field of expertise related to the employer's business. Wikipedia:Conflict of interest § External roles and relationships has a bit of discussion. The example I gave at the Village Pump is if the Animation article had a disclaimer that it was edited by the communications department of the Walt Disney Company, it might raise some doubts in the minds of readers regarding the article's neutrality. isaacl (talk) 22:21, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

How to disclose

Regarding this edit: if it could be clarified which details are being referred to in the edit summary, then the concern can be addressed. If it's a question of the parameters to the templates, details can be added. For example: Editors who are or expect to be compensated for their contributions must disclose their employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any paid contributions. They must do this on their main user page, or on the talk page accompanying any paid contributions, or in edit summaries. Disclosure on user pages may be done using the {{

conflict of interest guideline further advises editors to supply a clearly visible list of their paid contributions on their main user page (see the {{paid}} template documentation for instructions). Disclosures on the talk page for the page in question may be done using the {{connected contributor (paid)}} template (see its documentation for instructions). isaacl (talk) 17:34, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply
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If anyone has feedback on the sample text, it would be appreciated. Note all of the content is drawn from the conflict of interest guideline, as referenced in the "Further information" note at the start of the section. isaacl (talk) 21:54, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I propose changing the text as described in the sample text. isaacl (talk) 21:15, 30 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note I plan to implement this proposal. isaacl (talk) 16:18, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I have implemented the proposal. isaacl (talk) 22:27, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Suggested addition

I want to suggest linking from this page to:

I got this idea from the recent drama over Jimmy Wales being fooled by someone who had been scammed by such a website into thinking that a respected editor here was an undisclosed paid editor. That made me think that it would be useful to make more users aware of the issue of such scams. This could be in the form of "see also" or "further information" at the top of a section. I'm open to discussion as to which section. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:57, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think this is a good fit for this page, other than possibly in a "See also" section at the bottom. It's targeted at paid editors and is an elaboration of the relevant section in the terms of use. Although I don't know how to get the target audience of business owners or other self-promoting people to read it, I think a page whose message is specifically focused on them is a better choice. isaacl (talk) 22:09, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm OK with a see also section for them. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:12, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I've just added them, as a See also section. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:31, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I want to ensure that I'm fully disclosing my paid contributor status. (apologies if this is a duplicate topic)

It is a bit confusing, and I believe that I've correctly added my paid contributor status on my User page, but I want to ensure that I do everything properly & in accordance with Wikipedia Paid-contribution disclosure processes. At this time, the main focus of my contributions will to make substantial updates to our GunBroker.com page that has outdated information and is lacking several key details. I will ensure that, wherever possible, external citations such as SEC filings & other reputable sources are used. Can anyone help fill me in if I need to follow more steps? Also, how do I ensure that my source edits are properly attributed as paid-disclosed? Thank you in advance. LoVeloDogs (talk) 20:53, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for being conscientious in making this disclosure! What you should do, going forward, is to not edit GunBroker.com directly. Instead, make postings at Talk:GunBroker.com, where you should say explicitly that you are a paid editor, and describe exactly what edits you would like to make. Then, other editors can make the actual edits for you. If your proposed edits are factual and well-sourced, there should be no problem. If other editors have any issues about your sourcing or anything else, they will tell you, and you can discuss it with them. (Maybe I'm leaving something out, and others watching here will add to what I've said.) --Tryptofish (talk) 21:27, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your timely & concise reply! This information is exactly what I was looking for. LoVeloDogs (talk) 22:41, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Required disclosure for admin paid advising

There is a proposal at the village pump to add a new disclosure requirement to this policy. Please see

talk) 11:17, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply
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Do only checkusers have access to the email or do admins have access as well? S0091 (talk) 15:16, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Guidelines for crowdfunding?

I've been looking through Wikipedia policy guidelines, including this one, to see if there's anything about crowdfunding/recurrent donations platforms (e.g. Patreon, Liberapay, etc.). If I've missed it, please direct me to where it is, but I'm currently left thinking that this represents a pretty substantial gap in our policy on paid contributions. This model of monetisation has become indispensable for many online creators and it's one that works in a different, almost opposite, way to the other forms of paid contribution outlined here. I.e. instead of being commissioned to write an article about a specific thing, it would effectively involve people that already contribute to certain articles and subject areas openly requesting financial support for continuing to do so. (Really it would function similarly to how the WMF requests donations to keep Wikipedia up and running)

Figuring out a policy guideline for crowdfunded work would bring its own share of challenges, like how to declare such a payment on-wiki. But I also think it could be a potential benefit for many editors, as it would open up a route for people to sustain more contributions to the platform. (I wonder how many more people would edit on a part- or full-time basis if this were an option?) It also may not present the same potentially negative influences that other forms of paid contribution can bring. Is a policy on this something the Wikipedia community has considered or would be willing to consider? --Grnrchst (talk) 17:17, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The same guidance applies for all paid editors. This page describes and links to key guidance, including Wikimedia Foundation's Terms of Use, and English Wikipedia's conflict of interest guideline. Offhand, I can't think of what additional guidance is required; do you have something in mind? (OK, there's one thing: describing your employer might be tricky with a rotating cast of supporters. The best way I can think of at the moment is to maintain a subpage of your user page with the supporter information.) isaacl (talk) 23:25, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]