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Bot to clerk RM/TR

Proposal received unanimous support; however, a 72-hour cooldown period was favored over 48 hours. -2pou (talk) 17:51, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


I'm going to suggest a bot to clerk

WP:RM/TR which would automatically remove pages that are detected as removed after 3 hours from the page and remove inactive opposed moves after 48 hours of inactivity. I'm happy to develop the bot in PyWikiBot if consensus were to be reached here to implement a bot. Zippybonzo | talk | contribs (he|she|they) 17:47, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply
]

I like the concept, am flexible with the precise timings, though for the latter I'd be thinking 48 hours being a minimum. -Kj cheetham (talk) 18:17, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, but I think 72h is better than 48h. – Hilst [talk] 18:23, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support but 3 hours is quite long. The only reason why a page will remain listed after it's been moved is if a page mover has forgotten to remove it. 1 hour is probably sufficient? I would also suggest that the bot notify the requester that their move was removed as contested move, with details of how to list a formal RM.Polyamorph (talk) 19:04, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I completely agree with your last sentence, but the bot would need to check that a RM hadn't already been started first. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 20:04, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support something more like 1 hour and 72 hours, and good idea from Polyamorph about notifying. -Kj cheetham (talk) 19:14, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, based on this I will work on implementing the bot and will keep you posted when it's ready for
WP:BRFA here. Zippybonzo | talk | contribs (she/they) 12:26, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
Support And maybe to move entries from the Uncontroversial, and revert sections to admin section automatically if either the current or targeted title is admin-protected as well, noting the original location. We can leave such entries in the contested section alone. – robertsky (talk) 12:34, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
detect full create-protected as well. – robertsky (talk) 15:17, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support with a 72-hour minimum. And piggybacking on Polyamorph's excellent suggestion, perhaps the bot could also notify requesters as soon as their request is moved to the Contested section. Pinging is currently encouraged but more often than not doesn't happen. Station1 (talk) 05:44, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Follow-up

@Zippybonzo: I was cleaning up some technical requests, and it rang a bell on me seeing the above discussion at one point. It seems there was support for your proposal, so just giving a courtesy ping if you still intend to work the bot development/request. -2pou (talk) 17:53, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I will work on this in a few days when I get back from my trip, with life happening I have forgotten about this so I’ll do it again. Zippybonzo | talk | contribs (they/them) 18:44, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Floating link

I have been trying to edit

Closing instructions link in the top right corner with an actual {{floating link}} rather than the makeshift version using id=coordinates that has been there since 2008
. For reasons that are unclear to me, my edit keeps timing out on multiple devices.

Would anyone else care to try making the edit (or to speculate on why the edit won't go through)?

Replace 

<span id="coordinates">[[Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions|Closing instructions]]</span>

With 

{{Floating link|Closing instructions}}

SilverLocust 💬 04:03, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Huh. All manual edits time out for me too, although Twinkle and rollback seem to work. I'll leave a message at
WP:VPT. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 04:32, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
 Resolved in the latest version of MediaWiki. SilverLocust 💬 09:44, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:PCM
guidance?

I feel like a lot of the requests that get contested fall into some extremely common PCM scenarios that are not detailed anywhere and are overall not intuitive to people unfamiliar with page move processes (a lot of RMTR requestors fall into this). The most common reasons for contests that I've seen after about a year of watching and processing requests are COMMONNAME over official name, company name changes and primary topic grabs. I feel like it would be worth throwing in PCM at least just those two because of how common they are. Wider input would be appreciated. Sennecaster (Chat) 01:13, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This seems like a good idea to me! I wonder if it would also be useful to have an essay that catalogues common types of requests, and the policy questions that are likely to come into play for them, in more detail than would be feasible in
WP:PCM itself. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 19:10, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply
]

Request to close all outstanding RM discussions carte blanche

Enough is enough. The backlog is never-ending, especially with the NCROY-related discussions. Requesting for permission to close all outstanding discussions at the whims and fancy of the closers with no recourse at

WP:MRV.[April Fools!] – robertsky (talk) 08:57, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply
]

Only if you get a coin-flip AI to determine the outcome and write the close. Primefac (talk) 09:10, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And the result is...
no consensus?
– Hilst [talk] 12:38, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Royal Challengers Bangalore

Royal Challengers Bangalore needs closing; the discussion is a convincing support that is over 7 days old. It is a high volume page and has been move protected. The tournament they play in is happening right now, and its going to be odd for those readers to find the team with the wrong name. Desertarun (talk) 08:27, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@
WP:CR, but the request should be neutral. SilverLocust 💬 21:16, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply
]
I also suggest to be aware that requested move discussions sometimes take a while – especially when there are significant differences of opinion and policy/guideline issues, as in the situation with that one. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 04:11, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Implied moves

I notice that

WP:G14
delete if unnecessary". I see three problems with the way this is working:

  • No move notice is getting put at the top of the "Fubar" page.
  • Even though these are listed at
    WP:RMCD
    , they do not appear on the Talk page where the discussion is happening, thus lowering awareness of part of what is being suggested.
  • It's a little dangerous to assume the nominator knows they are suggesting the implied move. Often, inexperienced editors just think "Everybody calls him Bill Smith, not William G. Smith, so I'll just suggest renaming the article to Bill Smith," without realizing there's a problem with that idea.

—⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 04:01, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Since
WP:RMCD is a page generated by RMCD bot, needless to say this was added by the bot's operator, @Wbm1058. He added that to the bot's listings after Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 23#Deleted to make way for page move
. (While his new method for handling these doesn't add an RM banner to the disambiguation page or show the implied move within the RM, the bot does add a notice in a new section on the disambiguation page's talk page.)
Before November, these RMs were being manually amended (
explicitly state a destination for both pages (most frequently by @Paine Ellsworth; also by me and others) so that (1) both pages would have an RM banner and (2) it would be clear (for those who don't have color-coded dablinks enabled
) that the proposed title is currently a disambiguation page.
I preferred to complete the requests just by indicating a second move to add "(disambiguation)" to the dabpage's title, but some users objected to that when moving the disambiguation page would make it unnecessary (
WP:ONEOTHER), and instead wanted it to be stated as "→ Deleted to make way for page move
" or similar.
(As Wbm1058 noted, the dabpage should still be moved even if it would then be deleted, and it's unnecessary for the RM to discuss deleting the dabpage, which can be handled via CSD or a PROD.) SilverLocust 💬 05:57, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Previous discussions related to these matters, which continue to be an annoyance, are archived at Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 33#Request all associated moves explicitly, Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 33#"Request all associated moves explicitly", and User talk:RMCD bot/Archive 2#Incomplete requests. We definitely do not want to literally, explicitly, move an article or a disambiguation page to an article titled Deleted to make way for page move. That's absurd. Deleted to make way for page move is not an encyclopedic topic. RM is for requesting page moves, not page deletions.
Further at the root of these issues is the 3 December 2019 addition of the new section §Make explicit all moves in the request, which declared all such requests "MALFORMED" and "likely to be summarily discarded", while this is a frequently-occurring scenario and what is requested is patently obvious in the majority of cases, even if not "explicitly declared". – wbm1058 (talk) 14:52, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

relist request

Hi, per User talk:JuniperChill#Talk:Hamme#Requested move 10 April 2024 the closing editor says we can relist. Can someone in the know please assist, I don't want to break any bot workflow? --Joy (talk) 07:23, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 07:52, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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