Wikipedia talk:Selected anniversaries/November 9

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As a German I've never heard the expression "Schicksalstag". Some major events in German history happened on november 9th, but we don't call that "Schicksalstag" and we don't really commemorate these events, except the one of 1938; however, the expression "Schicksalstag" is wrong and irritating.--62.246.64.12 14:27, 9 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

According to de.wikipedia it's a term mostly used by historians and jounalists, but has become used more often outside those circles since 1989.

Nach Ende des Zweiten Weltkriegs wurde von verschiedenen Historikern und Journalisten
für diesen Tag der Ausdruck Schicksalstag geprägt, der aber erst nach den Ereignissen
vom Herbst 1989 weitere Verbreitung fand.

Simply because you havent heard of something doesn't make it untrue. But having said that, neither the en or de articles have any references. It's possible this term is

WP:POV loaded? --Monotonehell 02:40, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply

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Would anyone object if I replaced it with Remembrance Sunday, which is happening today in the UK & Commonwealth? Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 01:56, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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St Patrick’s Cathedral, Dublin. It's a gesture that springs from the Northern Ireland peace process; the cathedral is run by the Church of Ireland, historically the church of the Unionist establishment who supplied a lot of the Irish soldiers in the British Army that were killed in World War I. jnestorius^(talk) 02:37, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply

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OTD normally does not discriminate between official public holidays sanctioned by a country's government, and those that are unofficial significant observances. Since the event is still observed by a ceremony in Dublin, how do want this resolved? Post "in the

St Patrick’s Cathedral, Dublin"? Zzyzx11 (Talk) 03:36, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply

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I was under the impression that Remembrance Sunday was observed in both countries, as both countries fought on the same side during the Great War - I wasn't aware that republican and unionist problems had extended to services of remembrance. How about if we put 'the United Kingdom and some other countries'? or 'the United Kingdom and part of the Republic of Ireland'? Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 04:04, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How about just putting "the United Kingdom"? The

The Royal British Legion organises church services in other foreign countries besides Ireland. jnestorius^(talk) 04:14, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply

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Discussion moved to Talk:Remembrance Sunday#Observance outside the U.K.. jnestorius^(talk) 01:50, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

They happened today. How can you add them to the "On this day" section? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amman_bombings —The preceding

It's already at November 9, from where new items are pulled. If you want to make a special request for next year, the relevant talk page would be your best bet. - BanyanTree 20:59, 9 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Why didn't you include the fall of the Berlin Wall in today's anniversaries? I think it's a very important historical event. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.176.86.169 (talk) 11:03, 9 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

First, remember this is today's Selected anniversaries. It is already listed on the November 9#Events page. Second, the Berlin Wall article was already featured on Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries/August 13, the date construction began. Third, the article is currently tagged as "This article needs additional citations for verification". In other words, it is not currently "a relatively complete and well-formatted article", one of the other criterion to be displayed on "On this day". Thanks. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 15:35, 9 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's a historical event of enormous significance, far more so than any of the other anniversaries listed. It's not so much the end of the Berlin Wall itself, but what it represented. It signaled the end of the Cold War and Iron Curtain. It also marked the end of the 20th century in a historical sense. Someone dropped the ball here, badly. Jsc1973 (talk) 06:15, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I couldn't agree more - The fall of the Berlin Wall is certainly much too significant to be left out, no matter what improvements could still be done to the article. I strongly believe that this blunder must be fixed asap. Cheers, MikeZ (talk) 12:06, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fix-up the article first is what Zzyzx11 said. –Howard the Duck 12:54, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It seems the article's good-to-go. Anyway, you can edit/add items to SA a few days before it is protected by admins. I do that sometimes but only a few people know about that so... –Howard the Duck 12:57, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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 Done Rjd0060 (talk) 15:23, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lovely, cheers. It Is Me Here (talk) 16:40, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any way we can place this into the date since Monday is the 20th anniversary of its fall?

A number of users had specifically requested that the article Inner German border be selected as the main page featured article for 9 November 2009 – precisely because it is the 20th anniversary of when the East German government announced the opening of both it and the Berlin Wall. Because the blurb mentions the 9 November 1989 event, it will appear in that section this year instead of here. Cheers. Zzyzx11 (talk) 03:48, 8 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm really convinced that the fall of the Berlin Wall is of solitude importance, and it should be included in OTD, even more as it's the 20th anniversary today. There are just a handful of global events in the same category of really comparable historic importance. Just imagine, on 9/11 we would only show a featured article about the building of the WTC, arguing that this article contains the information that the towers were destroyed in 2001. --- The importance of the fall of the Berlin Wall justifies an exception from the otherwise good guideline of not having similar featured articles with OTD topics. MikeZ (talk) 17:29, 9 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Since you mentioned 9/11, you can read a complaint now archived on Talk:Main Page/Archive 127#September 11 that the main page had "too much emphasis" on that event. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 20:34, 9 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Now that it's already November 9th, I'm going to say "No, wait until next year so it can be properly discussed." In any event, I'd need the text to put into the template, which you haven't provided.

a/c) 19:04, 9 November 2010 (UTC)[reply

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Now that it's already November 10th, the question is moot. The text is already there, it's just formatted to be commented out on every November 9th. Well, no big deal; it's not as if the fall of Communism in Eastern Europe was important to world history or anything. I'm sure no one will care next year either. Pais (talk) 08:13, 10 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It seems the page is no longer protected, so I went ahead and corrected it myself. Now at least next year on November 9 the Main Page won't be an embarrassment to Wikipedia's credibility like it was this year. Pais (talk) 11:55, 13 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Deleted: Joe Cada (not notable enough)
• Moved to Ineligible: Rolling Stone (maintenance)
• Omitted: Tokugawa Yoshinobu; Kristallnacht; Inner German border; Human Rights Act 1998/Capital punishment in the United Kingdom; 2005 Amman bombings
• Included: Battle of Posada (4th appearance, last in 2010); Mary Jane Kelly (2nd appearance, last in 2010); Battle of Cocos (first appearance); Valérian and Laureline (3rd appearance, last in 2010); Venus Express (first appearance)

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