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WP:AFD

Speaking of breeder bios. Any cat fanciers out there?

Seems like there is plenty notable to me. 7&6=thirteen () 15:23, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Facto Post – Issue 22 – 28 March 2019

Facto Post – Issue 22 – 28 March 2019

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When in the cloud, do as the APIs do

Half a century ago, it was the era of the

server farms and the client–server model as quotidian: this text is being typed on a Chromebook
.

File:Cloud-API-Logo.svg
Logo of Cloud API on Google Cloud Platform

The term

Applications Programming Interface or API is 50 years old, and refers to a type of software library as well as the interface to its use. While a compiler is what you need to get high-level code executed by a mainframe, an API out in the cloud somewhere offers a chance to perform operations on a remote server. For example, the multifarious bots active on Wikipedia have owners who exploit the MediaWiki API
.

APIs (called

GET HTTP request are fundamental for what could colloquially be called "moving data around the Web"; from which Wikidata benefits 24/7. So the fact that the Wikidata SPARQL endpoint at query.wikidata.org has a RESTful API means that, in lay terms, Wikidata content can be GOT from it. The programming involved, besides the SPARQL language, could be in Python
, younger by a few months than the Web.

Magic words, such as occur in fantasy stories, are wishful (rather than RESTful) solutions to gaining access. You may need to be a linguist to enter

Open Sesame", in fact, and Sindarin being the respective languages). Talking to an API requires a bigger toolkit, which first means you have to recognise the tools in terms of what they can do. On the way to the wikt:impactful or polymathic modern handling of facts, one must perhaps take only tactful notice of tech's endemic problem with documentation, and absorb the insightful point that the code in APIs does articulate the customary procedures now in place on the cloud for getting information. As Owl explained to Winnie-the-Pooh
, it tells you The Thing to Do.

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Category:Genetic genealogists

I Have created this category. Is it ok ? (Jkrn111 (talk) 21:44, 1 April 2019 (UTC)).

A new newsletter directory is out!

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Facto Post – Issue 23 – 30 April 2019

Facto Post – Issue 23 – 30 April 2019

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Completely clouded?
Cloud computing logo

Talk of cloud computing draws a veil over hardware, but also, less obviously but more importantly, obscures such intellectual distinction as matters most in its use. Wikidata begins to allow tasks to be undertaken that were out of easy reach. The facility should not be taken as the real point.

Coming in from another angle, the "executive decision" is more glamorous; but the "administrative decision" should be admired for its command of facts. Think of the attitudes

false dichotomies
are at all good to have around.

WP:MEDRS and systematic reviews
, talk about biomedical literature and computing tasks that would be of higher quality if they could be made more "administrative". For example, it is desirable that the decisions involved be consistent, explicable, and reproducible by non-experts from specified inputs.

What gets clouded out is not impossibly hard to understand. You do need to put together the insights of

Beall's list
.

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Gene names format and style question

See

talk
) 13:58, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Facto Post – Issue 24 – 17 May 2019

Facto Post – Issue 24 – 17 May 2019
Text mining display of noun phrases from the US Presidential Election 2012

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Semantic Web and TDM – a ContentMine view

Two dozen issues, and this may be the last, a valediction at least for a while.

It's time for a two-year summation of ContentMine projects involving TDM (

text and data mining
).

Wikidata and now Structured Data on Commons represent the overlap of Wikimedia with the Semantic Web. This common ground is helping to convert an engineering concept into a movement. TDM generally has little enough connection with the Semantic Web, being instead in the orbit of machine learning which is no respecter of the semantic. Don't break a taboo by asking bots "and what do you mean by that?"

The

Wikipedia referencing guideline MEDRS. Where WikiFactMine set up an API for reuse of its results, ScienceSource has a SPARQL query service, with look-and-feel exactly that of Wikidata's at query.wikidata.org. It also now has a custom front end, and its content can be federated, in other words used in data mashups: it is one of over 50 sites
that can federate with Wikidata.

The human factor comes to bear through the front end, which combines a link to the HTML version of a paper, text mining results organised in drug and disease columns, and a SPARQL display of nearby drug and disease terms. Much software to develop and explain, so little time! Rather than telling the tale, Facto Post brings you ScienceSource links, starting from the how-to video, lower right.

ScienceSourceReview, introductory video: but you need run it from the original upload file on Commons
Links for participation

The review tool requires a log in on sciencesource.wmflabs.org, and an OAuth permission (bottom of a review page) to operate. It can be used in simple and more advanced workflows. Examples of queries for the latter are at d:Wikidata_talk:ScienceSource project/Queries#SS_disease_list and d:Wikidata_talk:ScienceSource_project/Queries#NDF-RT issue.

Please be aware that this is a research project in development, and may have outages for planned maintenance. That will apply for the next few days, at least. The ScienceSource wiki main page carries information on practical matters. Email is not enabled on the wiki: use site mail here to Charles Matthews in case of difficulty, or if you need support. Further explanatory videos will be put into commons:Category:ContentMine videos.


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Topic Page on De novo gene birth

PLOS Genetics has just published its third Topic Page. As part of this, an article was drafted, peer reviewed and published in PLOS Genetics and has now been copied over to the De novo gene birth page. Comments and suggestions welcome! I've still not managed to get proper CS1 citation templates and citoid working over on the PLOSwiki website, so everything is done with {{cite pmid}}. If anyone knows a good way to easily convert all of the citations to proper {{cite_journal}}, please let me know! T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)talk 13:55, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Another excellent article from the project. It's written at a fairly high level, but is chock full of good information. There are a couple of tools to convert PMID to {{cite journal}} that I know of: Biomedical citation maker and DTU Informatics PMID to Cite journal. --{{u|Mark viking}} {Talk} 20:59, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for the tool suggestions. If you come across any that do batch conversion let me know. Hopefully citoid can be implemented on topicpageswiki.plos.org eventually, so conversions aren't necessary. T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)talk 00:41, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

A possible Science/STEM User Group

There's a discussion about a possible User Group for STEM over at Meta:Talk:STEM_Wiki_User_Group. The idea would be to help coordinate, collaborate and network cross-subject, cross-wiki and cross-language to share experience and resources that may be valuable to the relevant wikiprojects. Current discussion includes preferred scope and structure. T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)talk 03:04, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Possible project consolidation

There's a discussion going on over at

WP:BIOP, since their scopes are well-aligned. Ideas and opinions welcome! T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)talk
01:14, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

WP:Gene Wiki
may also be included in this. We are still in the early stages of this discussion. Comments are welcome (read:needed)!!
I should also add that
WP:Biology and turning it into a proper meta-project. Whether GEN remains independent or is merged into a larger project, there will be an opportunity to participate in that change as well. Prometheus720 (talk
) 03:47, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

Confirmation pre-merger

Hello, based on the consensus at the WP:Biol discussion, this is confirmation of my suggestion to merge:

Wikipedia:WikiProject Molecular Biology
(name to be confirmed)
The new main page should be able combine all of the information of each project (much of which overlaps) and the talkpage should also also centralise discussion to make it more lively and easier for newcomers! Separate tracking tables of article qualities can still be kept by making them 'taskfores' if people think that'll be useful. If people don't object I'll go about redirecting the WP and WT pages to that centralised location next week per this process. T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)talk 13:03, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

@
NessieVL, Poeticfeelings, and UnitedStatesian: Pinging you as you are all listed as active members under Wikiproject Directory tools. We really would like to have some conversation about this merge. Prometheus720 (talk
) 16:04, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
Not a member of this project. Probably raised a template issue, which is why I showed up. Good luck with the merger. Gonnym (talk) 16:19, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for summoning me. Where shall we discuss this matter? Also, I think centralized discussion is a great idea. Poeticfeelings (talk) 17:15, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
I think the WP:Biol discussion speaks for itself. UnitedStatesian (talk) 21:43, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
I'm pulling a Davos Seaworth and saying I'm not sure I get a vote, but aye. --
talk
) 01:41, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Merger complete! See the new unified talkpage. All talkpage archives should be clearly visible and searchable and the new unified WikiProject page is almost complete. T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)talk 12:24, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

Discussion at
Draft talk:Horizontal transfer of mitochondria#Opinions of subject matter experts sought

 You are invited to join the discussion at

Draft talk:Horizontal transfer of mitochondria#Opinions of subject matter experts sought. Worldbruce (talk
) 14:46, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

WikiProject Genealogy

If anyone here is interested, we are looking for volunteers at WikiProject Genealogy. Thanks! Tea and crumpets (talk) 01:07, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

Christopher Kaelin up for deletion

IMO, well sourced article about a geneticist. But you can help improve it. 7&6=thirteen () 15:53, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

Your input appreciated

Hi all,

I would appreciate your input in this strange case: Wikipedia_talk:Copyright_problems#Wikipedia_page_"later"_published_in_scientific_paper:_copyvio?.

--Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 20:02, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Discussion of interest at Reliable Sources Noticeboard

The following discussion is of interest to members at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#Using of primary genetics sources at Uyghur (and many other Eurasian pages)--Ermenrich (talk) 13:42, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Mendelian inheritance

Hallo dear colleagues, I have studied biology at the University of Frankfurt Germany, I am a biology college teacher, I have been working in the German Wikipedia for many years correcting biology articles and writing some new ones. Some time ago I started completing and correcting some english articles too, for example

User:Sciencia58/sandbox Can you please read through this carefully, compare with the current version and tell Redrose64 and me on the talk page, if you agree to use the reworked version. If you have any further suggestions for improvement, please let me know. Sciencia58 (talk
) 16:38, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Hallo I haven't received any answer yet. Has anyone read this post? Sciencia58 (talk) 06:15, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Request for information on WP1.0 web tool

Hello and greetings from the maintainers of the WP 1.0 Bot! As you may or may not know, we are currently involved in an overhaul of the bot, in order to make it more modern and maintainable. As part of this process, we will be rewriting the web tool that is part of the project. You might have noticed this tool if you click through the links on the project assessment summary tables.

We'd like to collect information on how the current tool is used by....you! How do you yourself and the other maintainers of your project use the web tool? Which of its features do you need? How frequently do you use these features? And what features is the tool missing that would be useful to you? We have collected all of these questions at this Google form where you can leave your response. Walkerma (talk) 04:24, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Can someone familiar with genetics/molecular genetics take a look at this new article. There are some bold claims about what appears to be a fairly new explanation for molecular evolution, including "is a scientific theory" and "resolves all the paradoxes in molecular evolution" (the latter is a cited quotation, but I can't access the source). It also makes claims about other approaches being "erroneous". This needs a subject-matter expert. I've left a comment on the article's talk page. Mindmatrix 20:17, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

The article's neutrality is disputed. Editors are invited to join the discussion on the article's talk page. Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:59, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Dubious inclusion within the scope of this WikiProject?

Just putting this here as I've been doing some maintenance of some articles I've created. I noticed that Strømme syndrome had been designated as within the scope of WikiProject Genetics, however CDK13-related disorder hadn't. I then checked around and saw that examples such as Down syndrome, fragile X syndrome, Angelman syndrome (but not Prader–Willi syndrome, oddly) and Klinefelter syndrome had not been designated as within the scope of WikiProject Genetics, only WikiProject Medicine and their Medical genetics task force.

This led me to wonder, how I do specifically determine whether an article is within the scope of this WikiProject, and can I remove the WikiProject Genetics tag from Strømme syndrome? SUM1 (talk) 21:09, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Inclusion of a Wikiproject tag at an article talk page is entirely up to the project members themselves, so it's not like any standard has yet been applied to all those pages. Strømme syndrome is pretty clearly a genetic disorder, as are all the other ones you mentioned in terms of
talk
) 21:49, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
@SUM1: In general, I think it's better to include the wikiproject tags when in doubt. There's a general guideline here for genetics articles. I would imagine that most (all?) articles in the WP:MED's medical genetics taskforce would be relevant to WP:MOLBIO's genetics taskforce. It makes the Metrics more useful (e.g. for looking for high/mid-importance, stub/start-class articles to prioritise improving). T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)talk 00:17, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Non-helical models of DNA structure

I saw a Science Reference Desk question about this article. I've edited some of the references but have concerns about the content in this article. I've started a discussion at

Talk:Non-helical models of DNA structure#Work from X, Y. C. about my concerns. Any and all comments, edits, etc welcome. Thanks, EdChem (talk
) 04:15, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

WP:NORN#Is it original research to take a table from an article on genetics and interpret it?

Editors here might be interested in the above discussion. Doug Weller talk 15:56, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Draft:Genetic Saturation

FYI:

Draft:Genetic Saturation has been submitted to AfC some time ago - could do with someone with a interest in the subject reviewing it. Cheers KylieTastic (talk
) 19:24, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Overall it's ready for mainspace (start class). Still could so with improvements for clarity in some areas, but nothing that would exclude it from mainspace. I've tidied up the simple heading and figure formatting issues. T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)talk 00:56, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
The bottom half on GSSM should be merged into Saturation_mutagenesis (both have useful info on the technique) and a {{see also}} tag added to the top. T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)talk 01:06, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Gene names policy

What is Wikipedia's policy on enforcing the official gene symbols as endorsed by HUGO Gene Nomenclature Committee? --130.60.206.75 (talk) 09:32, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

An article should either use the current HGNC-approved gene symbol or the UniProt protein name. Old gene symbols might be ok to list as an alias if they’re notable, but nothing more than that. Seppi333 (Insert ) 19:01, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

An IP editor has placed an

NPOV (neutrality) tag on this article. Editors are invited to comment in the discussion on the article's talk page. Chiswick Chap (talk
) 14:04, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Featured article review for Attachment theory

I have nominated

featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. -- Beland (talk
) 00:27, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

There have been a lot of small edits from brand new users to this article. Just about every red name in the edit history has made exactly that one edit. I thought they were all one person, but it looks like I was wrong. A lot of them are unsourced with no edit summary and change around the meaning of the article. I don't have the subject knowledge to say if these are vandalism or plausible though, perhaps someone on this WikiProject can take a look through edits such as these? 1 2 3 4 5 For example, I can vaguely say that the first edit I linked is probably incorrect...? But I'm far from certain. (Those 5 are just an example, there are many more in the history, some reverted, some accepted) Leijurv (talk) 20:48, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Will respond at ) 01:10, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Request for advice on article

Hi everyone, I'm looking for some help with an article I've been working on and would like to submit for review. I want to make sure it is notable enough and well sourced, and would really appreciate any advice anyone can give. It's about a genetic research company, so I thought it would be of interest in this page. The page is Draft:Sano Genetics - thanks for any help!

Clarealev (talk) 14:05, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

I've commented over at Draft talk:Sano Genetics. It's tricky because I actually rather like the company, but from the sources, it currently looks like one of a hundred personalised dna sequencing companies. It's main points of difference from the references are its future plans rather than past achievements. I'm no expert on company wp pages though, so may still be sufficient if buzz is large enough. Best to check with others. T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)talk 11:34, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Description regarding differences in skin among individuals

Thoughts are needed on the following: Talk:Human skin color#Description regarding differences in skin among individuals. A permalink for it is here. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 04:56, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

ctRNA edits

I would like to add edit the article on ctRNA as a my project for a course I am taking. I am new ish to this and I would really appreciate some help and feedback. Garhingh (talk) 21:30, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Should we redirect this page to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Molecular Biology

A similar redirect was recently done for MCB to further consolidation and reduce the need to cross-post between talkpages. Would there be any objections to doing something similar for this page (following on from the earlier post #Possible_project_consolidation)? T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)talk 22:45, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

I suspect it's just a few of us watching all the taskforce pages, so I'm happy to see them all redirected to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Molecular Biology. Ajpolino (talk) 23:47, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Genetic disorders

Worldwide, most nations

nations. The Global Newborn Society described in Draft:Akhil Maheshwari seeks to correct this deficiency. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jhuma1971 (talkcontribs
) 03:06, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

Low-quality population genetics content across Wikipedia

I keep seeing population genetics sections in bunch of wiki pages. They usually only have primary sources, which are sometimes misrepresented. For example, I just removed a sentence that used an outdated racial term from a dated primary source [1]. I think we should use only or mostly secondary sources, and primary sources should be in line with those whenever they are used. Just letting people here know, as I do not have the patience to go through all such content. This seems to be a Wikipedia-wide problem. Bogazicili (talk) 17:02, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

RfC on the Uyghur people

There is an RfC about the genetic origin of the Uyghurs, Talk:Uyghurs#RfC on the genetic history of the Uyghur people, comments are welcome. Hzh (talk) 12:14, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Guinea pig Featured article review

I have nominated

featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. SandyGeorgia (Talk
) 16:00, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Guide RNA article in need of thorough edits

I believe that

talk
) 14:18, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Most viewed stub in this Wikiproject

Auburn hair 9,762 325 Stub--Coin945 (talk) 14:35, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Requested move at
Talk:5α-Reductase deficiency#Requested move 7 August 2021

Talk:5α-Reductase deficiency#Requested move 7 August 2021 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Shibbolethink (
) 23:42, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

A discussion that may interest members of this project is occurring at Talk:The Bell Curve § Merger proposal. ––FormalDude talk 10:29, 22 November 2021 (UTC)