Template talk:Wikipedia policies and guidelines/Archive 1

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Hi, I find that you have reverted my edit on 'Template:Wikipedia policies and guidelines' because of the reason 'edit created 50% empty space in the template', I use opera v 9.50 Alpha at 800 x 600 resolution, I have tested the template on IE v 7.0.5xxx.11 and Mozilla v 2.0.0.11 at same resolution and have not faced the problem as mentioned by you. It seems that you use resolution above 800 x 600 as on changing the resolution of my screen to 1024 x 768 I started facing the problem as mentioned by you (However on using the current version of template in 800 x 600 resolution makes half of the template outside horizontal page limit). Recently I have made similar edits [1] , [2] , [3] etc. however my edits were not reverted nor reported (I may add that few of the templates that I edited were used at many different article). It seems to me that the reason for the apparent 'conflict' is due to 'screen resolution' differences between users, I would like to request you to suggest changes so as to find a solution LegalEagle (talk) 14:27, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I have in fact a resolution of 1400x900 widescreen. This is how "my" version looks for me, and this is "yours". From your given similar edits, only the second ([4]) looks good, because of the align=center. My personal preference is to let the screen resolution regulate the look, and not introduce the <br> at all. – sgeureka ^t•c 14:40, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your quick reply. Though I am tempted to agree with your suggestion on letting the screen resolution regulate the look of templates, I would like to point out that users having lower resolution would need to unnecessarily drag their pages to be able to properly view the template (if possible pls lower your resolution to 800 x 600 and chk my edit), while if the <br> edit is effected the higher resolution screen would be asthetically harmed (as you have rightly proved) but there is no user discomfiture. So I shall request you to reconsider your decision about the revert. LegalEagle (talk) 15:07, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

What, do I understand this right that you have to use a vertical horizontal scrollbar to see/use the template properly ("would need to unnecessarily drag their pages")? Because this would suck big time and requires something to be done. – sgeureka ^t•c 15:10, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

You have perfectly understood the problem (but it is the horizontal scrollbar that needs to be dragged), and as you have said this is disturbing as after a change to the navbox template source all the templates are geared towards higher resolution screens (if not tempered with <br> edit). I would like to hear what you propose to do now LegalEagle (talk) 15:26, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I meant horizontal, sorry. We can of course go back to your version in this case. This discussion should be continued at the template talk page; maybe someone can help out with the wiki markup so that everything looks good for low-res wikipedians even without the use of <br>. – sgeureka ^t•c 15:32, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for support, I have copied the discussion to the template talkpage, hope the sysops would also come forward and find some meaningful solution so that, as you have put, 'low-res wikipedians' can also use the other templates without much hassle. LegalEagle (talk) 15:45, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

If you want a pro to review it, take it to Template_talk:Navbox and you should have it resolved rather quickly. Regads.--12 Noon ^2¢ 16:23, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Nothing in navbox itself is causing this problem, and all the revision of this template look fine in both IE6 and Firefox. My guess is that LegalEagle is having a problem with his display settings. There is no assignable cause that should cause the contents of any template not to wrap correctly. — Edokter • Talk • 17:02, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Im going to have to jump in on this discussion as the creator of this template. I am going to revert back to the original version. When I created this template I actually took it to the

Gonzo fan2007 ^{talk ♦ contribs}

19:24, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

This template is used more for the commonly cited and used policies. The policy is rarely used and effects even less users. The policy says it has only been implemented less than 1000 times. That said, I wouldnt be opposed to it being in the template, but IMO it doesnt belong here.

Gonzo fan2007 ^{talk ♦ contribs}

23:00, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

From MOS (links)#Context: Do not use a piped link to avoid otherwise legitimate redirect targets that fit well within the scope of the text. This assists in determining when a significant number of references to redirected links warrant more detailed articles. In using the WikiCleaner disambiguation software, it showed several WP pages that have had their page names changed, for good reason. The navbox should reflect the current full page names (w/o the WP, of course), for those pages. This is according to the MOS and normally would not be a debatable topic. Thank you. Funandtrvl (talk) 15:31, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Had to run WikiCleaner again, to repair link that was reverted and not fixed. Funandtrvl (talk) 15:38, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Also corrected formating for patent nonsense, according to MOS, the words for WP should not be included in links, but piped instead to the page name. Also matched the piped links to the exact WP page names, should not use abbreviations that may be interpreted differently or may not be immediately understandable.

Funandtrvl (talk) 15:52, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Well maybe next time don't make five edits in a row making small misc changes? That's what the preview button is for. It makes it very difficult to revert edits when there are a bunch in a row. I also did try to restore the non-controversial edits here. Obviously I just missed one that you fixed. This is a widely used, and widely agreed upon format. When I created this template and implemented its, there was a lot of discussion on talk pages and edit summaries gaining consensus for the format of the template (including a long discussion just on the name i.e. the "Key" part). Obviously, it was well within common practice to ask for consensus for major changes to such a template.

« Gonzo fan2007 (talk)

@ 18:39, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Just wanted to let you know that this is a good template. Would it be possible to have it set to auto-collapse, instead of collapsed? I think I found one page (naming conventions) that wasn't linked to it, that really should be. Thanks! Funandtrvl (talk) 21:15, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

While I disagree with a lot of the other overly

Since we're obviously not giong to agree ourselves as to what Linking guidelines should be listed here, I've raised it at

I propose merging {{Guideline list}} into this template. Please see discussion at Template_talk:Guideline_list#Merge. Rd232 ^talk 13:07, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

What do you think about adding the core notability policies to this template? Ocaasi ^c 00:57, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Do you mean the subject-specific notability guidelines? No, they're linked from

WP:N, and this template, which is supposed to be key policies and guidelines, is well big enough. Rd232 ^talk

01:02, 25 May 2011 (UTC)