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Old discussions
The following discussions are more than 7 days old and are pending processing by an administrator:
May 29
File:Rafah displacement camp airstrike.webp
- File:Rafah displacement camp airstrike.webp (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Personisinsterest (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
Non-transformative use of Reuters image, fails
]- Ok but then I want you to suggest an alternative image to post Personisinsterest (talk) 12:36, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- But I would argue that this does not violate these rules. This photo is included in commentary of the article. Many reactions are explicitly based on the images and videos of the attack. This is an image from a video of the attack. And for commercial use, this image has been used widely by media outlets and online. It’s exclusive commercial use by Reuters is already invalid. Personisinsterest (talk) 12:59, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- From Template:Non-free historic image, the
[u]se of historic images from press agencies must only be of a transformative nature, when the image itself is the subject of commentary rather than the event it depicts (which is the original market role, and is not allowed per policy)
. JohnCWiesenthal (talk) 13:17, 29 May 2024 (UTC)- It is a subject of commentary, as I said. It is an image from a video of the attack, and videos and images of the attack are mentioned heavily in reactions to the attack and this article itself. Personisinsterest (talk) 00:41, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
And for commercial use, this image has been used widely by media outlets and online.
That still doesn't the image compliant with "respect for commercial opportunities" criterion. The image has to meet all criteria, not nine or less. In this case, John and Wcam, according to CNN, this image came from Reuters TV, meaning it's a screenshot. This article confirms where the image originated from. Well, it says the image came from some random video, yet somehow, Reuters requires license for commercial use.- If it's a screenshot of a random video later obtained by Reuters, or if it's a screenshot from Reuters TV, then likely the image may have very little or no commercial value. Otherwise, if it's a photo made by news agency, like Reuters itself, then most likely the image has commercial interests as originally intended, and using the image in any non-commercial way would be very risky. George Ho (talk) 02:06, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- From Template:Non-free historic image, the
- Keep reluctantly – This isn't a press photo, unfortunately. It's a screenshot, and a YouTube video by Reuters channel confirms it, starting at around one minute and five seconds (1:05) of the video. Most likely complies with "respect for commercial opportunities" criterion if it's made by a non-Reuters person, like some ordinary bystander recording the horrific event like this. George Ho (talk) 02:18, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment — If this image is from a press agency, it should be speedy deleted under WP:F7. If it is from any other source, it qualifies as fair use. George Ho's argument appears to be valid. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 13:36, 6 June 2024 (UTC)]
- Delete. As far as I can tell, and based on the source shared by George Ho, this is content from Reuters. I don't think this being a still from the video changes anything with respect to WP:NFCC#8 as currently used. Upon reviewing the text of the article, I found no substantial sourced critical commentary/coverage. -Fastily 00:04, 9 June 2024 (UTC)]
May 20
File:Wham! featuring George Michael US release.jpeg
- File:Wham! featuring George Michael US release.jpeg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Faith16 (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
The North American (or US) cover art was de-PRODded without rationale, so I can't help wonder what I'm missing when reading the article and looking at the cover arts. Sure, this cover art credits "Wham! Featuring George Michael", while the other cover art solely credits "George Michael".
However, is it needed, and would deleting this cover art
- Keep per this discussion. Deleting this will cause a disruption of detriment the understanding of the topic in question, and both covers provides both the same and the different facts. This is an alternative cover so it can't violate both criterions. The song is also inadequate without the American one, cause this is a country-specific cover, and specific covers are distinctive with global versions. This image was also displayed in a correct place. Kys5g talk! 10:23, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- You're citing an ongoing discussion (old revision)? I doubt an admin will take that into account. Furthermore, being an alternative cover is neither a reason to keep this cover art nor a reason it complies with NFCC. Moreover, being "a country-specific cover" doesn't make understanding of the song adequate. George Ho (talk) 10:37, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- Imagine the article where it is used exposes to an American reader, and the reader compares its cover with the global one, and sees both covers are distinctive, would the reader understand? Heck no! Because it's missing another cover! If so, then will the global cover be subjected for deletion in the future, citing the ]
- The "sourced commentary" and "crucial identification" are two common circumstances, not absolute. That depends on balance.
Because it's missing another cover!
Please be careful ofWP:AAIDD essays should help you learn how to make your arguments count. George Ho (talk) 16:15, 24 May 2024 (UTC)]- Oh, and Wikipedia is not a repository, i.e. not a project to hold media content that lacks "encyclopedic context" to justify usage. It's not Discogs or any other sort. George Ho (talk) 16:42, 24 May 2024 (UTC)]
- The "sourced commentary" and "crucial identification" are two common circumstances, not absolute. That depends on
- Imagine the article where it is used exposes to an American reader, and the reader compares its cover with the global one, and sees both covers are distinctive, would the reader understand? Heck no! Because it's missing another cover! If so, then will the global cover be subjected for deletion in the future, citing the ]
- You're citing an ongoing discussion (old revision)? I doubt an admin will take that into account. Furthermore, being an alternative cover is neither a reason to keep this cover art nor a reason it complies with NFCC. Moreover, being "a country-specific cover" doesn't make understanding of the song adequate. George Ho (talk) 10:37, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- Keep because the image illustrates the credit differences mentioned in the article. Morrissey4Prez2024 (talk) 23:49, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Does not meet WP:NFCC#8 as currently used. Upon reviewing the text of the article, I found no substantial sourced critical commentary/coverage. -Fastily 01:37, 28 May 2024 (UTC)]
- Delete per Fastily. * Pppery * it has begun... 19:05, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
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June 2
File:Page from Watson.png
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more files. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the file's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted as
- File:Page from Watson.png (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Serial Number 54129 (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
This is a copyrighted page (link). Magog the Ogre (t • c) 02:57, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the file's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
File:Batangas city center - Plaza Mabini (statue) (Batangas City)(2018-07-30).jpg
- File:Batangas city center - Plaza Mabini (statue) (Batangas City)(2018-07-30).jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Patrickroque01 (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
Sculpture might not be free in the United States. Assuming the sculptor is anonymous, it is already in public domain in the Philippines by 2002 (1951+50+1 years), since it was made in 1951. But due to the
File:Cherbiy.jpg
- File:Cherbiy.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Rsf7589 (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
Cover art of less successful cover recording. Omitting the image may not impact understanding of the song originally done by earlier artist. May fail
]File:The Adventures of Baron Münchausen (1988 Film).jpg
- File:The Adventures of Baron Münchausen (1988 Film).jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Jasc Fox (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
Already one piece of non-free media on this page. No reason for this one. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:10, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete This poster fails WP:NFCC#3a since there is already a film poster in the infobox. Aspects (talk) 21:44, 3 June 2024 (UTC)]
- Delete per Aspects. hinnk (talk) 00:35, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Recent nominations
June 3
File:WFXZAzteca24.png
- File:WFXZAzteca24.png (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Wcquidditch (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
May be above c:COM:TOO Mvcg66b3r (talk) 06:12, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Move to Commons Text and basic 2D shapes with no shading would fall below the U.S. threshold of originality. hinnk (talk) 00:24, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
File:JC Pressac - Auschwitz- Technique and operation of the gas chambers (1989).jpg
- File:JC Pressac - Auschwitz- Technique and operation of the gas chambers (1989).jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Poeticbent (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
File was prodded for deletion by me as
File:Aurora Rodrigues 1973.png
- File:Aurora Rodrigues 1973.png (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Rjjiii (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
Subject is still living, so the image (evidently a mug shot) fails criteria (1) of
]- Delete The image is being used for identification of the subject of the article and doesn't contribution much to understanding the arrest as described in the file's rationale. hinnk (talk) 00:31, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Criteria 1 includes, "
For some retired or disbanded groups, or retired individuals whose notability rests in large part on their earlier visual appearance, a new picture may not serve the same purpose as an image taken during their career, in which case the use would be acceptable.
" Aurora Rodrigues' notability is based on her post-retirement activism and writing about her experiences with the 20th-century dictatorship in Portugal. The photos are from when Estado Novo arrested her and are used prominently in her book on the events and in news coverage of her recent activism.[1][2][3] Does the exception in Criteria 1 only apply to performers? Rjjiii (talk) 02:12, 4 June 2024 (UTC)- WP:SECONDARY reliable sources, then perhaps the photo could be used in the body of the article in the section where the reliably sourecd commentary about the photo is found. Articles discussing Rodrigues which use the photo for illustration purposes aren't enough for justification; there should be discussion specifically related to the photo. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:33, 4 June 2024 (UTC)]
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there should be discussion specifically related to the photo
", you mean discussion in ]
- "
- Criteria 1 includes, "
File:Lycos Logo.png
- File:Lycos Logo.png (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Cloudbound (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
Superseded by version on Commons. Cloudbound (talk) 11:39, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
File:BBC Today programme.png
- File:BBC Today programme.png (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Cloudbound (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
Unused logo. Cloudbound (talk) 11:53, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Transfer to Commons as a {{PD-textlogo}}. JohnCWiesenthal (talk) 14:19, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep as PD-ineligible-USonly: Commons requires that the file be "PD-textlogo" in both the US (where the Commons servers are located) and in the country of first publication (which is likely the UK). The reason this file is licensed as {{PD-ineligible-USonly}} is because the UK's threshold of originality is pretty low as explained in c:COM:TOO UK; so, even if this is "PD-logo" per c:COM:TOO US, there's no point in moving the file to Commons if it's only going to end up deleted. If someone feels otherwise, then it probably would be a good idea to ask about the file at c:COM:VPC moving the file. -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:01, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
File:Yingying Zhang Govt Ex 100E cropped.png
- File:Yingying Zhang Govt Ex 100E cropped.png (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by LucasKannou (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
Fails
References
- ^ Trost, Rachael (June 19, 2017). "FBI Offers $10k Reward for Information in Kidnapping of University of Illinois Scholar Yingying Zhang". NBC News. Archived from the original on June 19, 2017. Retrieved June 3, 2024.
June 4
File:AmazingSpider-ManAnnual22.png
- File:AmazingSpider-ManAnnual22.png (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by DrBat (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
There is already non-free media representing this character in this costume in this article. No need for another. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:26, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
File:Speedball and Hummingbird from New Warriros Vol 2 Issue 12.png
- File:Speedball and Hummingbird from New Warriros Vol 2 Issue 12.png (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by MarioHerald (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
Plenty of non-free media on this page already. No need for more. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:27, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
File:Cake rarities.jpg
- File:Cake rarities.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Taestell (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
Virtually identical to standard cover. Not needd. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:49, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:NFCC#8. The caption also suggests it never even became an official cover? hinnk (talk) 01:54, 8 June 2024 (UTC)]
File:Pit render.png
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more files. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the file's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Withdrawn by nom. -Fastily 00:06, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- File:Pit render.png (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Kazama16 (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
Image fails
Keep: "A redirect pointing to the page where the non-free content is intended to be used is acceptable as the article name in the non-free use rationale." It is written in
- Purpose of use section along already fails WP:FUR 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 08:25, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- See WP:NFCC#8 "Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding." The non-free content is proved to be useful to readers who don't have a idea of the individual appearance. Kazama16 (talk) 09:37, 4 June 2024 (UTC)]
- And you didn't somehow read number 6? You could definitely improve the rationale of that image instead of being defensive here. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 09:48, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Withdraw. 🍕Boneless Pizza!🍕 (🔔) 10:34, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- See
- The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the file's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
File:Yurun Group (logo).png
- File:Yurun Group (logo).png (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by 718 Bot (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
It is recommended to reselect authorization because it is likely not protected by copyright in the United States, but since the copyright protection threshold of the PRC is very low, it is still not advisable to import into commons.
It is recommended to cancel fair use and replace it with {{PD-textlogo}}{{PD-USonly}}. Fumikas Sagisavas (talk) 11:48, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Relicense: PRC isn't UK and it doesn't come from the country of kangaroo either. The protection threshold in PRC is low, I agree. However, PRC has its threshold much higher than UK but at a relatively low level. Kys5g talk! 16:01, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
- Relicense per nominator hinnk (talk) 01:57, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
June 5
File:Cass Elliot - Dream a Little Dream of Me.ogg
- File:Cass Elliot - Dream a Little Dream of Me.ogg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Ogggy (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
Sample of the 1968 Cass Elliot/Mamas & Papas cover recording not an improvement to understanding a 1930s classic song previously sung by other artists before the cover recording. Doesn't
]- Millions of Boomers were introduced to the song by TM&TP. Keep it for a few years until more of us die off. 2600:6C63:4500:2038:14A:7545:8494:11B1 (talk) 04:23, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
File:Thanthi One.png
- File:Thanthi One.png (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by P.Karthik.95 (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
Not "own work"; can't be CC0 Mvcg66b3r (talk) 14:15, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
File:Know Your Enemy 2022 version.jpg
- File:Know Your Enemy 2022 version.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by The wub (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
There's already an album cover at the article, a second one doesn't significantly improve contextual understanding per
]- Keep, the 2022 version cover is significantly different from the original release (as is the album content itself). So inclusion meets NFCC8 by allowing this version of the album to be identified, and its omission would be detrimental to understanding. Where alternative covers are significantly different this is a commonly accepted use. Quoting WP:NFCC#3 use of non-free content is to be minimal, and not to be used if one item can convey equivalent significant information. An alternative cover that is significantly different from the original and is widely distributed and/or replaces the original has generally been held to pass this criterion. the wub "?!" 17:11, 8 June 2024 (UTC)]
- Neutral – Sure, the 2022 cover looks different from the original, but I don't think it's a sufficient reason to keep the alternative cover. On the other hand, the 2022 release was reworked or remastered or remixed (whatever you call it) and expanded as the double album as originally intended. I thought about originally voting "delete" because the alternative cover doesn't provide info substantially different from the other. However, differences between original and 2022 releases seen much greater than I thought, and deleting the alternative cover would leave readers much curious or assuming that the standard cover art is also used for the 2022 release. —George Ho (talk) 18:04, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
June 6
Toronto Blue Jays logos
- File:Toronto Blue Jays logo.svg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by RandyFitz (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
- File:TorontoBJaysCapInsignia.png (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Banan14kab (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
The use of both non-free files for identification violates
June 7
File:Admiral Group logo.png
- File:Admiral Group logo.png (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Cloudbound (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
Unused logo. Cloudbound (talk) 22:19, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
June 8
File:Kliph Nesteroff onstage with Mel Brooks in Los Angeles.png
- File:Kliph Nesteroff onstage with Mel Brooks in Los Angeles.png (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Blaine Washington (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
The photographer's consent should really be brought directly to
]File:JamesfLight.jpg
- File:JamesfLight.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Springsgrace (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
No evidence presented for why it should have been published without a copyright notice or before 1963, when renewal was still required. I have not been able to locate a free photograph of the individual in question, so relicensing as non-free may be an alternative. Felix QW (talk) 10:17, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
June 9
File:Oldrobotnik.jpg
- File:Oldrobotnik.jpg (delete | talk | history | links | logs) – uploaded by Zikar (notify | contribs | uploads | upload log).
Image is entirely redundant now that Eggman's infobox image contains both Modern and Classic Eggman's designs. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 03:43, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
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