Wikipedia:Too long; didn't read

This is an WP:TLDR

This page in a nutshell: Be concise.

“	The present letter is a very long one, simply because I had no leisure to make it shorter.	”
— Blaise Pascal[1]

Too long; didn't read (abbreviated TL;DR and tl;dr) is a shorthand to indicate that a passage is too long to invest the time to digest it.

are volunteers, and may not be willing or able to devote the time needed to read and analyze long comments.

The label is often used to point out excessive verbosity or to signify the presence of and location of a short summary in case the page is too long and won't otherwise be read.^[3] It can also be misused as a tactic to thwart collaborative editing or a stoop to ridicule. If a discussion is reasonably concise, it is best practice to read the entire discussion before commenting.

Many people edit Wikipedia because they enjoy writing; however, that passion can result in overlong

Also, writers can incorrectly believe that long sentences and big words make that writer appear learned.

Some policies and procedures can encourage overlong prose due to imposing arbitrary limits. The

game the system

.

A trusted aphorism states that "brevity is the soul of wit."^[6] Similarly, "omit needless words."^[7] Editors are encouraged to write concisely and to use plain vocabulary when possible. Remember that English may not be a reader's native tongue. If length is essential, a short summary is advised.

While bloated composition may reflect the emotions of an editor, it should be noted that some people are constitutionally loquacious. It is impossible for you, as an editor, to affect either of these before the fact. When editing, always respect Wikipedia policies and editors' feelings. Take the time to distill your thoughts for better communication and rapport.

Additionally, internal policy discussions on talk pages can often become long-winded, usually either because of the detailed nature of

about wording and interpretation – and may get five paragraphs of rebuttal in response instead of one sentence of agreement.

“	Perfection is achieved not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away	”
— Antoine de Saint-Exupéry, French writer and aviator

Per the

}} template is not as good as winnowing them yourself.

Some linguists (such as Geoffrey K. Pullum in posts at Language Log) criticize Strunk & White's advice "omit needless words" in the fear that unskilled editors may mistake even necessary length for dross and delete it. Strunk and White, however, were unambiguous that concision does not require "the writer make all his sentences short, or that he avoid all detail and treat his subjects only in outline, but that every word tell." Deleting is not always equivalent to improving, and intelligently differentiating the cases deserves care.

Being too quick to

and politely offer advice there.

Avoid

, neither can one prove by wielding a four letter initialism. When illumination, patience, and wisdom are called for, answer with them.

• Provide summary/ synopsis

A further option for both readers and writers is to structure the writing so it can be

This works even when the content is concise, or for some uses should be complete, but a reader wishes to skim for speed in a disciplined and more accurate way.

• If any talk page discussion is too long:
  • First best try to trim your response yourself. Maybe you can try writing first in your own sandbox before posting on the talk page. Remember don't edit other user's responses.
  • <u> Underline important sentences </u> in your response can help readers in quick browsing. Rather than repeating same arguments again and again you can use (emphasis added) or (pl. read again), if needed, in brackets.

• • Use collapse template

for your detailed long paragraphs
Use {{collapse top|Reply with details 1}} {{collapse bottom}}

• • Provide mid discussion synopsis and discussion end synopsis. Always remember Wikipedia is collaborative project and synopsis helps other users to understand main points of ongoing discussion.
  • If you want to jot down a thorough response for the sake of maintaining a record, you can write in one of your own userspace sub-pages and include a link in the relevant discussion.
• In Nutshell: Be concise.

See also

• Wikipedia:Article size
• Wikipedia:Avoid instruction creep: Wikipedia's rules and guidelines should not become excessively complicated
• Wikipedia:Don't bludgeon the process
• Wikipedia:Germane
• Wikipedia:Hold the pepper
• Wikipedia:Keep it concise
• Wikipedia:Manual of Style
• Wikipedia:It should be noted
• Wikipedia:Read before commenting, which advocates familiarizing yourself with a discussion before participating in it
• Wikipedia:Too much detail
• Wikipedia:Wall of text
• User:Tony1/Redundancy exercises: removing fluff from your writing
• Template:Policy in a nutshell
• {{
  TLDR}} – adds (tl;dr
  ); for use in discussions
• {{Very long}} – Template used to flag articles or sections that need trimming.
• Hypergraphia
• Succinctness
• Logorrhea
• Self-reference

External links

Look up TLDR in Wiktionary, the free dictionary.

• Tim Dowling, "Wikipedia too long-winded for you? Try the simple version," The Guardian,14 January 2008. Retrieved 14 April 2024.