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Thanks, man. You know, worldwide pandemic, mass unemployment, social and political myopia — the things. But personally, been doing alright. Hope you won't get super-banned and shit! P.S. BTW, last conversation I've had with Nil, he called me a "fuckhead," which is annoying. I wanna be known by my superhero name Fucko Man. Oh well, one can dream...¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Best, El_C 11:34, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

October 2021

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for continuing to baselessly accuse other editors of being racist, after a very clear warning to stop, and a generally over the top battleground mentality for the last 3 days straight. In addition, your ability to edit your talk page has also been revoked.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then submit a request to the Unblock Ticket Request System. Floquenbeam (talk) 13:59, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed talk page access because this is where you are making the repeatedly unacceptable posts. Contact UTRS when you feel you are able to post without resorting to personal attacks, and if they are convinced they can restore talk page access. --Floquenbeam (talk) 14:01, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

For anyone reviewing, I blocked after this edit, made after an extremely clear warning to knock it off right above it. It's still calling someone a racist when you call them "the R-word". --Floquenbeam (talk) 14:04, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This is a sad turn of events. El_C 16:01, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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UTRS 51723

UTRS appeal #51723 is closed. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 02:45, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

User:Deepfriedokra, Neutralhomer just emailed me: I was looking at the UTRS unblock request, clicked "decline" but found no place to enter a rationale. Maybe you can help with the paperwork. Neutralhomer, my apologies for the lack of rationale. I declined your request because, and I don't think this is the first time, you again shifted responsibility over to others--I overreacted, but we were all at fault, etc. At some point that really just does not cut it anymore. I read over the discussion in October as it was happening ("So, you all continue with your little fuckin' game of "look at me, I'm an admin on a website, I'm important". I gonna put on dry clothes and go back to work. "), I read the whole account, and I was wondering if you could come back from that. Well, in principle you could, but not with that rationale. I've been on your side before, and you were a net positive with all those radio edits, but after rants like that you need to do a lot more soul-searching, and dig a lot deeper, than just say "OK I was maybe also at fault a bit". Sorry. Drmies (talk) 03:19, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
( interposed reply to @Drmies: The UTRS interface sometimes confuses me, and I've been using it for years. One must first click the reserve button at the top. Then at the bottom, one clicks the comment button. One can type a free form comment of their own, or click one of the "form letters." The "form letters" are set to set to decline status automatically, though one has the option of changing. The free form comments offer the option of choosing a status. Hope this helps. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 12:37, 13 December 2021 (UTC))[reply]

Neutralhomer, your talk page access was removed for a good reason. I suppose I understand you want to respond, but I do not have much interest in an email conversation with you. UTRS is still open to you, I believe. Drmies (talk) 03:31, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
WP:ANI, read through the discussion in its entirety, and I (with somewhat of a half-frown) would have also declined this UTRS request to be unblocked, and I stand behind your decision. This user's demeanor and their subsequent responses, both at the ANI discussion and here, clearly show me that Neutralhomer was dead-set on continuing to argue their point until the bitter end. Their response here at ANI basically says this in a nutshell. After what started as a partial-block at ANI for a bit quickly escalated when this user started with this crap, this crap, then this, and ohhhh so much more in between until they decided to top it off with this
(where they basically just give the project two middle fingers and tell us to have a nice day, to put it nicely...)

Now... Let me make something else very clear, too. Sorry in advance,
edit warring on the article, as you can clearly see looking at the edit history, and over what was essentially improper use of some reference templates (as JBchrch detailed here) - a content-related matter - is definitely not something I like to see. Things went crazy off the deep end due to Neutralhomer's subsequent responses and what-not, but I will say that we did miss some opportunities here... especially in relation to helping The Exterminating Angel (someone who isn't new, but definitely still novice) to understand how things work and to offer them help. I can see here that Rjensen tried... And I give him major props for doing that. It just sucks to see that The Exterminating Angel
had to file an ANI discussion just find out... "what the heck?"

I'm not trying to dig up any fossils, point fingers, or drag anyone back into what is now past discussion... After all, I ran into the whole discussion and dispute just a few hours ago . I've obviously have had the luxury of being able to read through everything and without the "live drama". :-) That being said, I wouldn't feel like I'd be doing right by not summarizing my overall observations here. In the future, I just hope that some users can slow down, take some time to work things out, and not let things go crazy and so quickly. Of course, if there's anything that I might be missing that would make my observations incorrect or not reflect an accurate overview of the situation, please for the love of God let me know. I don't want to call anyone out for things if I've done so without the correct or full amount of information. :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 08:37, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

TEA had been asked not to continue with those edits, by several editors. He continued anyway. It is disruptive to continue with a series of edits after being asked to stop. I was therefore taking administrative action against a disruptive editor who was continuing with the same edits despite multiple requests from multiple editors to stop. I have no interest in the content and never had any. DrKay (talk) 09:18, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
bad faith, and run with it. Otherwise, you're going to find yourself aggravated, if not infuriated, when the user tries to shout to the world and proclaim, "Hey, look everyone! Oh my god! This administrator is breaking the rules! I'm a victim and I'm under attack! They're supposed to help me and they're killing me!" Don't do that to yourself, man... We're here to help. Just don't be afraid to reach out. :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 10:14, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply
]

Follow-up and unsolicited advice. Just offer a brief, concise discussion of what you did “wrong” and what you would do instead in similar circumstances. (This includes all those insults as mentioned above.) Do not discuss the faults of others or what they did to provoke you. Show in the sub-text that you will go forward with this left in the past and doing only good things. Hope this helps. (Probably reference this discussion in the UTRS ticket. I’m not around much anymore, so perhaps Drmies or Oswah can watch for a response there.) --Deepfriedokra (talk) 13:06, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Deepfriedokra - Good input! Neutralhomer actually emailed me shortly after I responded here, and I offered them some steps that they'll need to take so that they can return. He made it pretty clear that he felt bad about the whole ordeal and that he really does want to return. I hope they'll take my advice and that things will work out. Also, Deepfriedokra?!! You're not around much? C'mon, man! You don't miss us? You're breakin' my heart... Don't you dare disappear on us! We need you, man! :-( ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 13:13, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

While I don't support an unblock at this time, if another admin thinks it would be more efficient to do this on-wiki, I am OK with another admin restoring talk page access to discuss an unblock, as long that admin is confident that the unacceptable comments about other editors won't resume, and as long as that admin makes clear that resuming those comments would immediately get talk page access taken away again. I'm happy to leave that to another admin's judgment, no need to check with me first. On the other hand, if people think email/UTRS is actually better, that's fine too. --Floquenbeam (talk) 17:43, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have restored TPA with the understanding that they will lose access again if problematic behavior resumes. 331dot (talk) 08:46, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@331dot: I have acknowledged and understood this via the UTRS. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 09:06, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Unblock Request

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).
Neutralhomer (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I, Neutralhomer, of sound mind (under the care of mental health professionals), am asking for my account to be unblocked. As I have stated numerous times, I fucked up. I took my defense of an editor too far. I apologize. I apologize to everyone for being a complete asshole and a jerk. That's not being me being "problematic" now, that's just me discribing how I was being at the time. I have no excuse for my behavior, I was an asshole. But I feel this is no longer a preventive block, but punitive (but I digress). Again, I took my defense of an editor too far. As was brought up on UTRS, my "mental health" is not an issue. I don't need to "get my head on straight", as I see a therapist and a shrink for that. :) As I have said in a couple other UTRS unblock requests, I have a few edits I would like to do immediately to a couple radio station articles. So, I plan on hitting the ground running, albeit very quietly. I don't plan on making any waves. I don't plan on contacting DrKay, unless the community says that a public apology is wanted/needed, then I will. But I do believe the contradiction of "you are a net positive to the community" and still leaving me blocked should end, while blantantly insulting me (and my Autism, which everyone knows I have), by saying I need to "get my head on straight" (I take insults to my mental health seriously, but again, I digress). Most importantly, I do believe that it should also be noted that I have upheld the spirit of this block. I have a known, mobile-only account that remains unblocked. I haven't used it....and I won't. So, while my main account is blocked, I am still able to edit....I am just choosing not to. I'm honoring the block. If I was truly being mean and evil, wanting to continue to fight and argue, would I do that? I wouldn't. I have chosen to honor the block, even though I disagree with it. Even going so far as to wait over a month to request my first UTRS unblock. I do believe that should count for something. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 09:06, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Decline reason:

per close of AN thread.
talk) 03:29, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply
]

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

Please note: It is 4:09am EST as of this post. I am heading to bed. I will, obviously, not be able to respond immediately for the next few hours. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 09:09, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

My most recent advice(UTRS appeal #52148) was to wait a few months. @Floquenbeam: above also seems to think it is early. I am not going to decline this myself but I do think it is a bit early. If another admin feels the time is right I have no objection. HighInBC ^{Need help? Just ask.} 15:28, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment from the blocking admin: Near the end of the unblock request, you say "I have chosen to honor the block, even though I disagree with it". Does this mean you don't think you should have been blocked at all? Also, I don't understand why it should "count for something" that you didn't use your alternate account to evade the block; you surely knew that it would immediately be blocked too, so why seek credit for not doing something pointless? On the whole, I don't find this a convincing unblock request; "Sorry, I was an asshole and a jerk, won't happen again" loses it's power after about the 4th time it's used. I can't imagine an unblock request that I would believe or accept right now, but this one seems particularly inadequate, especially since you've had so much time to craft it. --Floquenbeam (talk) 17:16, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Floquenbeam: (TL;DR at bottom) I mentioned it because it shows I could have just kept on continuing a "generally over the top battleground mentality" should I have chosen to. I didn't. I stopped. Yeah, it would have gotten blocked too, but I have had an account wide open to either continue "battleground mentality" or just general edits. I chose neither. I honored the block. I disagree that I should have been blocked in the first place, because I feel there was fault on multiple sides. Oshwah even says above "[the community] did miss some opportunities here...especially in relation to helping The Exterminating Angel...to understand how things work and to offer them help". Now, he dings me quite well and I deserve it. I'm not saying I didn't deserve the block, I just disagree that I was blocked at all. The conversation should never have deteriorated to that level in the first place. We all missed some opportunties. But I am taking responsibility for my end. I'm not here to dig up the past (ie: October), I'm talking about the present (ie: December 29).

As for my "I fucked up" and "I was an asshole", I work in a custodial/construction-esque type of world. Outside of when the teachers and kids are in the school, we cuss like sailors. It takes a lot for one of us to say "dude, I fucked up, I'm sorry"...but we do and that's why we work so well together. Guys, typically, don't go into long, flowing apologizes....we just don't. For some of us, "dude, I fucked up, I'm sorry" is as good as it gets. It's genuine, but we are of few words.

To be honest, Floq, I didn't expect you to be "convinc[ed]", "believe, or accept" any unblock request from me now or at anytime in the future. Every interaction you and I have had has been negative. You have threatened blocks in almost every one of them. Why? That's a question you need to ask yourself. Maybe I'm not the one with the "battleground mentality". Hell, I didn't make the news going up against Jimbo (you made Vice and Slashdot). I stepped back, even when I knew I could continue, and walked away. I stopped. That says more about me and that should "count for something" because I could have continued. I chose to be honest and be the better person....when the ANI thread continued for another 2 days and I couldn't defend myself.

TL;DR: I'm not the bad guy everyone makes me out to be. I just got pissed, I fucked up, I took it too far (we all did, but me especially), I got blocked, now I'm asking to come back, and I'm showing I can be trusted by showing my mobile account has been wide open this entire time. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 19:46, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@HighInBC and Floquenbeam: So, would I be correct in assuming, from the now two-day wait, that my request is being ignored and will go unanswered? Just asking. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 00:26, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You have been here a long time, you know that less than simple unblock requests take time to find an admin willing to take it on. I would do it myself but since my advice was to wait a few more months I would not be giving you the outcome you desire. I will leave it to another admin to handle.

You have been a good contributor for 14 years, with a few spots of trouble every few years. I do expect you to return eventually but I think you are rushing the matter. The
standard offer gives some good advice regarding time frames. HighInBC ^{Need help? Just ask.} 06:13, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply
]
@HighInBC: Yeah, but then aren't we putting a time limit on an indef-block? It's like someone serving a life sentence and a 6 month sentence concurrently. It's basically pointless. Indef is indef. 4 months from now, it will still be indef. Everyone will still say I'm "not ready" and we'll be right back where we started. This is basically a punitive block and no longer a preventive one.

As I have stated, that was clearly proven when I chose not to use a known mobile only account back in October or since....and I will continue to not use it as a show of good faith. I'm doing so to prove, I'm not the bad guy. Big, wide open space to do whatever...and I'm not taking it. That means the situation is over, the block is no longer serving a purpose. Happy 2022. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 09:38, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@HighInBC: I do believe I said it in the UTRS you responded to, I would have no problem with this going to ANI. I just wanted to be able to respond via my talk page. So, if you want to start an ANI thread, feel free. Please note, it is 4:41a EST, so if you do anytime soon, I most likely won't respond immediately. I also go back to work on the 3rd and my time will be limited. It's up to you. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 09:42, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Indefinite has never meant forever, it means without being defined. This is the literal meaning of the word. And the 6 months mentioned the the
standard offer
is not an expiry date, it is a recommended amount of time to wait before appealing a serious block to the community. You don't get special points for not evading the block, it is the minimum expected.

If you really want this taken to ANI I am willing to do it. But once again I recommend waiting until at least 6 months from your initial block before doing do. I will give you 24 hours to reconsider and if you still want me to, and no other admin had reviewed this I will post on ANI. HighInBC ^{Need help? Just ask.} 10:46, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@HighInBC: A friend invited me to breakfast (early breakfast? nightcap with pancakes?) anyway, I'm still up. So, go ahead. No need for the 24 hour waiting period. I mean, what's the worse that could happen? :) I get blocked? :D - Neutralhomer • Talk • 10:51, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The definition of indefinite is "lasting for an unknown or unstated length of time". A synonym of indefinite is "forever". Don't blame me, blame Webster's and Oxford. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 11:03, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Read what you just quoted. "Unknown or unstated length of time". As in not a defined length of time. Now use your dictionary to lookup forever "for all future time; for always", a defined length of time. Now look up synonym "a word or phrase that means exactly or nearly the same as another word". I am afraid you are mistaken on this one. HighInBC ^{Need help? Just ask.} 13:01, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@HighInBC: It came from Webster's and Oxford. If anyone is mistaken, it's them, not me. I'm not here to argue over words. This is distracting from why I'm here and is not helping the matter. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 23:01, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, you keep refusing to hear to part where I say wait yet again so how about I don't post it to ANI at all. I a done with this whole thing. Perhaps another admin wants to post it at ANI for you. Frankly I see it ending with a decline as too early. I really do want to see you back here and that is why I am asking you to wait, I am showing you the way back. You want to skip ahead then good luck.

Take my advice, retract your unblock request and wait for 6 months after your initial block and refer to the standard offer when you attempt your request, or do it your way. I hope it works out. HighInBC ^{Need help? Just ask.} 10:56, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Fine, if you don't want to, that's fine. I'll be right here. :) We'll have a good laugh on 4/20 when I still don't get unblocked. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 11:03, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure why you pinged me; we've already established I won't unblock you myself, and I can't make someone else review this. There's a disturbing long-term backlog at
CAT:UNBLOCK. If no one reviews this in a week, I'll open an ANI thread if you want, even though I think it unwise. If you make it clear you think the block was actually in error, I'll open a thread earlier, to review my blocking. --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:03, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply
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@Floquenbeam: You replied, I replied back, hence the ping. I honestly don't see this getting resolved in a week or even in April (ie: at 6 months after the block, on April 20 or 4/20). I just don't. I believe there will always be someone, somewhere who says "I'm not ready" or "I don't have my head on right". As I have repeatedly said, if I didn't and I was honestly going to continue, why wouldn't I use an account that was wide open to me this entire time? I keep bringing it up because it shows that I'm basically serving my "sentence" with a door to the "prison" wide open for "escape". I am honoring the block. If I was, intending, to continue my behavior, would I honestly do that? No. The block has long-since served it's purpose. I was blocked on October 20, it is January 1. Two months, door wide open for "escape" and I have chosen not to take it. Not since day 1, not day 74 (today). I think the community is safe. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 23:01, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
My guess is that you're right; if you don't change your approach, come up with a more convincing unblock request, and stop putting so much stock in your not using your alternate account as some kind of proof of anything, I'd be surprised if an ANI request is successful now, or in the future. If you do those three things, I suspect an unblock in a while is more likely. But I could be wrong either way. That's all up to you. What I'm asking is, do you want me to start an ANI thread now to have people review the appropriateness of my block, or do you want to wait a week and then if it's still unaddressed, have me go to ANI then, or do you not want me to go to ANI at all? --Floquenbeam (talk) 02:26, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm at a loss on the unblock request part of that, but OK. But, yes, please start an ANI thread. Thank you. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 02:30, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Done, see Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Block_review_of_Neutralhomer. If you want to add something to the discussion, you can write it here, and someone will transfer it over to WP:AN. --Floquenbeam (talk) 03:07, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Appreciated. Take Care and Happy New Year. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 03:08, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WP:AN Replies

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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

@Cullen328: First off, a hospital with patients and an empty school with just us custodians are two very different things. I have worked in both environments, so I am familiar. Behavior and language is different when teachers/students are in the building, clearly.
Second, the two quoted sentences were from two seperate replies and not from the same sentence or same reply. The second quoted sentence that you used, when fully quoted is As for my "I fucked up" and "I was an asshole", I work in a custodial/construction-esque type of world. Outside of when the teachers and kids are in the school, we cuss like sailors. It takes a lot for one of us to say "dude, I fucked up, I'm sorry"...but we do and that's why we work so well together. Guys, typically, don't go into long, flowing apologizes....we just don't. For some of us, "dude, I fucked up, I'm sorry" is as good as it gets. It's genuine, but we are of few words. You get the entire context.
Third, "prickly" and "combative"? I don't think I've ever been called "prickly" and I am most certainly not being combative, just the opposite.
Fourth, I noticed from your userpage that you are from Michigan and now live in California. I'm not sure how they do things there, but I grew up around the Navy (sailors), my Dad was one, I work in a "custodial/construction-esque type of world", there is cussing. Generally, you get a bunch of guys together, we're gonna get relaxed, shoot the shit while working, and we cuss. But all of that that has ZERO barring on this website or my ability to edit it, nor should it. If anything, I have shitty morals.
Hopefully, this helps you understand things a tad bit better. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 06:20, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

@HandThatFeeds: I never said it was everyone else's fault. I said, quite a number of times, I screwed up, I took it too far. Who I am quoting is Oshwah when he said that we all missed opportunities. The discussion should never have deteriorated to that level in the first place. Yes, I had a very big hand in it. But as Oshwah said, opportunities were missed by all. We got distracted by my bullshit. Yeah, I'm calling myself out. That's taking responsibility.
As for my still open mobile account, I continue to bring it up just to make a point. If I was so gung-ho at continuing this "battleground mentality" and I am this awful person you all make me out to be, why wouldn't I continue immediately after I was blocked? I had the chance? Why stop? I wouldn't. I'm the bad guy. Let's look at it logically.
I'm completely "not in my right mind", full "battleground mentality", hurling "baseless accus[ations]", ignoring "very clear warning[s] to stop", and I get indef-blocked. So, I could...A) continue via my mobile account or B) walk away and never touch that account leaving it wide open. Why is B the bad choice? First, let's look at "A". "A" would have proven everyone right. NH is completely lost it, he can never come back. He's done. But "B", to everyone, is the "bare minimum". No, "B" shows that I had the option all along and never took it. "B" shows I could have done anything from continuing to normal editing and I chose nothing. What "B" shows is the block worked. "B" shows is the community-at-large is safe, as is the project.
Hopefully, this helps you understand things a tad bit better. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 20:41, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@ProcrastinatingReader: Please refer to the last two paragraphs of the above post to THTFY for an explanation on mobile account. Hopefully, this helps you understand things a tad bit better. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 20:44, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Randy Kryn: I make it a point to not cuss in front of kids or teachers. Though, from what I have heard (and I work in an Elementary School), the kids have worse mouths than I do. Geez! I also watch my mouth in public. You can turn off the cussing, it's very easy. In front of people who are comfortable with it, that's when you can relax and turn it on. But, point taken and acknowledged. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 20:50, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Premeditated Chaos: I'm 40, but I thank you for thinking I'm a "young person". Much appreciated there. :) Anyway, for someone who's username is "Premeditated Chaos", maybe we should back down on the doom and gloom just a little. It we are going to start taking out people who aren't "temperamentally suited" for Wikipedia, it's gonna get awfully lonely around here. :) Just sayin'. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 02:18, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@GeneralizationsAreBad: Did I say those things? Yes, I did. I haven't denied that. I haven't denied that I was a total asshole that entire time. I have not made one excuse for my behavior either. But looking at only one thing, isn't that a "generalization"? Aren't generalizations are bad? Just sayin'. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 02:18, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@WaltCip: My last indef-block was pre-2013. Post-2013, I have had 3. The one in 2018 was for "clumsiness" and I was unblocked 50 minutes later. But, 3 blocks since 2012. Literally 10 years, 3 blocks. I should note that one of those indef blocks was by Jehochman and was for a day back in 2010. I'm going to ask everyone.....is any of us the same people we were 10 years ago? 2 years ago? If you say "yes", you are lying to yourself. None of us are. We have, hopefully, matured, and we all have damn sure changed since January of 2020. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 02:18, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@RickinBaltimore: See my reply to WaltCip above. Stay safe in the snow tomorrow, I'll be in it with ya. Saltin' sidewalks at 4a. (I'm along 81). - Neutralhomer • Talk • 02:20, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
To all: Alright ladies, gentlemen, and non-binary friends...I have to be up at 3a. I have to start doing my snowstorm checklist (even though we are only getting 1-3) by 4a. I work regardless if schools are open or closed (except for holiday break). So, I will be unable to respond until sometime tomorrow evening probably around 5p-ish EST. Thanks for your patience. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 02:27, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@GoodDay: Because this discussion will continue regardless if I'm working or not. There isn't a pause button for work. :) I brought my job up, which I'm not ashamed of (but you are?) before and I don't mind bringing it up now. I'm a custodian. In case anyone is wondering, there ain't any snow falling, but it's kinda fun when you can play tunes over the PA system. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 08:44, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to get unblocked? stick to proving you're not going to be a problem, if you are unblocked. Rambling on about your real life & basically using your 'unblock' request, as a opportunity to chit-chat? isn't going to help you. That being said - If by April 2022, you still haven't socked or evaded your block in anyway? I'll support your unblock. GoodDay (talk) 13:42, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@GoodDay: I did, it wasn't "convincing enough". Look, I'm a "conversationalist", I always have been. I'm going to shoot the proverbial shit with you for a brief second. My job was brought up by me (admittedly), it was brought up by everyone else per the AN thread, I am allowed to respond. Not responding would be seen as "prickly". Plus, when I'm unable to repond, I let people know. :) I also highly doubt that even in April (on 4/20 no less) that I will be unblocked either. I'm also a "realist". Too many people are only seen one thing. My block log from 10+ years ago...like we all haven't changed in 10 years or even 2. No one even looks at the times on those either (some of those were incorrect blocks, like the "clumsiness" block). But, again, I'm not the same person I was 10+ years ago and I think I can safely assume you aren't either...and neither is anyone else. We have all grown. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 22:15, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Not responding won’t be seen as prickly. The opposite. Stop responding (particularly to GoodDay). It’s not helping you. DeCausa (talk) 22:27, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@DeCausa: You have a point on GoodDay. We EC'd, so...that happened and I had to respond to Star Mississippi's. That one was just mean. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 23:05, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No you didn’t. What Star Mississippi said is how you are coming off to a lot of people. Telling them that they’re just plain wrong in how they perceive you just makes it worse and confirms their view of you. It’s painful to watch such a car wreck. But I can see you’re not going to do anything different so there it is. DeCausa (talk) 23:25, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@DeCausa: Honest question: What am I supposed to do? My unblock request doesn't change their opinions above me, my responses don't change their opinions about me, I'm supposed to just let people misguiding and sometimes false opinions of me and let that guide the conversation? How is that fair to me? I'm honestly asking....what is my defense supposed to be here? - Neutralhomer • Talk • 23:30, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You won’t like my answer, but here it is. I think it’s now too late. But next time you ask for an unblock (1) just talk about what you’re going to do differently in future - don’t drift into any aspect of justifying what you did previously. Just have in mind that the people reading what you have to write consider that there was nothing about what you did was justifiable. I don’t think you’re able - consciously or unconsciously - to talk about what happened without projecting a sub-text of defending yourself. That will always fail. (2) don’t respond to any negative comments - other editors’ assessment of those comments are a better defence than you are (I’m sorry to say). Less is more. Just keep it short. DeCausa (talk) 23:46, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@DeCausa: Point taken and acknowledged, but I honestly don't think it will go any better next time. Actually, I can see it going about the same or even worse. *shrugs* Realist. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 00:56, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@GoodDay: We're all happy that you're proud of being a custodian. Mention it enough times on your talkpage & perhaps we'll come up with a medal, to pin it on you. and We don't. But, I do tend to get annoyed, when it appears as though our time might be being wasted. Really? Yeah, I can really count on your support in April. *eyeroll* /sarcasm - Neutralhomer • Talk • 22:48, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Softlavender: Harsh toke, dude. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 08:44, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Further reply to @Softlavender: Did you actually look at the dates on my block log or just count them? Are you the same person you were 10+ years ago? 2 years ago? I think I can safely assume you are not. We have all matured. Can I safely assume you have had gotten pissed off at someone or a group of someones? Let's remember a text-based website is not conducive to showing emotions, so we are talking in person. Were you blocked/banned from that group? Did that group bring up things you did 10+ years ago? 2 years ago? Highly doubtful. Wikipedia, however, is a website where we, by design, can see everything we have ever done. BUT...that doesn't mean we haven't grown as people in that time. That doesn't mean we don't still have faults too. We can still screw up. But our previous 10+ year old faults aren't indicitive of current "issues".

Instead of being very narrow, looking at just my block log, perhaps look at everything. Blocked three times since 2012. One of those was for 50 minutes and for "clumsiness". I have 75,000 edits to my name, the vast majority in mainspace. I have created over 400+ articles, I have 2 FAs (one, the only of it's project), 5 GAs, and a couple DYKs to my name. The first FA, was in 2010, right in the middle of a few blocks. Even at my "net negative" and "worst", I was still doing Featured Article work and made it to the Front Page of Wikipedia...working with other editors. :) <*still proud of my FAs, I did good work*

Finally, did you read what Floq had to say, in full, when you commented on that AN thread? He said, above the addendum, ...if any editor notices that NH has asked that something he's written on his talk page be added here, please transfer it over. Gotta respond somehow....and there is nothing that says I can't be a part of my own unblock process/defense. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 22:48, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Golbez: Respectfully, you are missing something. Since 2012, I have had 3 blocks. The one in 2018 was for 50 minutes and was for "clumsiness". I have 75,000 edits to my name, the vast majority in mainspace. I have created over 400+ articles, I have 2 FAs (one, the only of it's project), 5 GAs, and a couple DYKs to my name. The first FA, was in 2010, right in the middle of a few blocks. Even at my "net negative" and "worst", I was still doing Featured Article work and made it to the Front Page of Wikipedia...working with other editors. We aren't the people we were 10+ years ago. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 22:48, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That's nice? But seems to have nothing to do with my response. --Golbez (talk) 15:10, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Golbez: The part about your diff has been asked and answered multiple times. Regardless, it's moot point. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 01:29, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Elmidae: Are you the person you were 10+ years ago? Do you still have faults and make mistakes? I rest my case. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 22:48, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Star Mississippi: You are literally trying to tell me what is going on in my own head. I have never said or even alluded to showing "interest in re-fighting the same battles". I asked you to show me that. Where am I "displaying [the] same temperament"? I'll go as far to say I may have been "nearing unhinged" in October (8 agencies, too many cooks, not enough kitchen will do that to you)...but this is me calm, asking people to think logically. Remember, a text-based website is not conducive to showing emotions. You want me to show "even fake contrition for the sake of being unblocked". That contrition would be, by your own definition, fake. I've already apologized. You want me to again? I'm sorry, I fucked up. I can say it again. I apologize. We aren't shrinks, we shouldn't be trying to psychoanalyze what is going on in someone's head. Your analysis of me, is incorrect. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 23:05, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm assuming your goal is to get unblocked. Well, the route to unblock isn't necessarily challenging every comment made which contains an analysis you disagree with. Ultimately, you need to convince people there will be no recurrance of concerning conduct and that you won't end up at ANI again. That's as much about general feeling than it is about matters of fact, since nobody can predict the future. I don't think your comments here, in tone if nothing else, provide such reassurance. I guess if it were me, I'd rethink my approach. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 23:34, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@ProcrastinatingReader: To be fair, I am doing what Floqenbeam asked. He said in the AN thread, above the addendum, ...if any editor notices that NH has asked that something he's written on his talk page be added here, please transfer it over. I am not disagreeing with any of you (except for Star Mississippi), I am simply responding to what you all are saying in the only way I can. These were supposed to be moved to the thread. Again, not disagreeing or challenging, just responding. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 23:40, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see anything wrong in theory with NH replying to comments at AN, nor in someone transfering them over - I've certainly seen it done many times before - but I agree that, so far, these particular responses aren't likely to change many hearts and minds. NH, if you want these replies transferred over to AN, I'll do so, but I sort of think you'd be better off if I didn't. Indeed, I sort of think you'd be better off withdrawing the unblock request now, regrouping, modifying your approach, and revisiting at a later date. But I feel a little like Cassandra; I keep advising NH not to do something, and he keeps going against the advice because he doesn't think I have his best interests at heart. I don't understand why you wouldn't take HinBC's advice, even if I understand why you won't take mine. This is like a slow motion train wreck that I'm somehow partially responsible for. --Floquenbeam (talk) 00:34, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Floquenbeam: I don't get the Cassandra reference, so you will have to clue me in there. If I am being bluntly honest, I don't think you have my best interests at heart. This might be the calmest conversation we have ever had. Normally they are tense and you are threatening me with an indef block in every sentence. So, honestly, no, I don't.

This is a fast-motion train wreck and I foresaw it happening, but decided to get it over with, and I am responsible for it...along with October...and I have repeatedly said that, but no one is listening. Opinions were made up on one page alone and nothing else. I can't do anything to change that, which is confusing, cause I've tried logic, I've tried contrition, I've tried conversations, I've tried just letting you all take a STICK to me, and GoodDay had a nice time kicking me while I was down, but nothing has changed your opinions. They were pre-formed on one page...my block log...most of which happened 10+ years ago.

So, let's just get this over with. It's going to be 18° tonight and I got to be up at 2:30a. So, everyone grab a 2x4 and carry on.... - Neutralhomer • Talk • 00:56, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I figure the "So, let's just get this over with ... everyone grab a 2x4 and carry on" means don't withdraw. But I still don't know if you want the comments transferred over to AN or not. Also, see Cassandra. --Floquenbeam (talk) 01:15, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

appeal closed

I'm afraid I've closed your appeal with a result that there is no consensus to unblock you at this time. ~~By my read of~~
~~talk) 03:23, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply~~
]

I've stricken the part about the CBAN. The policy does say that, but there appears to be a rough consensus that this was not known to many that commented and there generally was not an intent to convert this to a CBAN.
talk) 06:12, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply
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@
Beeblebrox: To appeal my block, I would have to by allowed to edit to ArbCom (if I'm understand correctly), which isn't going to happen. So...clearly, I'm being told to do something I can't, obviously, do. In other words, I have no recourse. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 01:35, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply
]

Neutralhomer, I had just finished weighing in, hit preview, and saw Beeblebrox had closed it. So, especially since I thought of posting here instead in the first place, here is what I was about to post:

New unblock request needed. I was in there in the AN/I discussion started by TheExterminatingAngel (including noting that Buñuel film or not, that is a disruptive username) and got lambasted by Neutralhomer on his talk page after he was P-blocked from the noticeboard, so I'm going to wade in here. I have no track record evaluating unblock requests, but as has been said by people who have, including Floq, that's not a very good one. Not socking with one's alternate account while blocked is not a commendable thing, it's required. The stuff about autism and headspace is, I'm sorry to say, not relevant in an unblock request. Worse is the accusation of a blatant insult. In the case of an indefinite block, it's on the editor to make an acceptable unblock request; do that sooner, get unblocked sooner. On the other hand, the discussion here as well as on his talk page appears to have gotten bogged down in several other irrelevancies, including the length of the block log and the desirability of "cussing" as well as how Neutralhomer feels Floquenbeam has comported himself and even revisiting the venting about who among us have done custodial work. I know there's background at UTRS because talk page access had been withdrawn. But I would advise scrubbing that unblock request and starting afresh with a more tightly focused one. I do not subscribe to the philosophy that for a male person to make any sort of apology is a tremendous big deal and roses should rain down from the sky upon their head and any and all objections to their conduct should immediately be wiped away, but I do regard "I took my defense of an editor too far. I apologize. I apologize to everyone for being a complete asshole and a jerk." as an entirely satisfactory component of an unblock request. None of us should give a rat's ass that it's not in highfalutin' language; it's an unblock request, not an article-space edit or even an article-talk edit. He's also indicated how he intends to edit going forward. The rest has gotten all bogged down. Tear it up and start again, please. Yngvadottir (talk) 03:43, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Yngvadottir: Being that I am community banned, per my understanding under Beeblebrox, I don't think that will be likely. I do understand what you are saying, but I think the well was poisoned a long time ago. Regardless, since I am being required to go to ArbCom, and I can't, it's moot point. I have no available recourse. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 01:35, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
OMGs, I'd missed that above. No human being can possibly master the complexities of our current bureaucracy, but I don't think that's right. So (after I feed the poor dog) I'll be naughty and put something under the closed section at AN. In the meantime, I believe he means via e-mail. You still have e-mail access, right, you must have been using it for UTRS? Yngvadottir (talk) 03:08, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You can use the same procedure you just used, via AN, or contact ArbCom by email. However, ArbCom usually will not seriously consider lifting a community-imposed ban without consulting the community so AN is still probably the straightest route. Emailing ArbCom is more for if you are contesting the initial validity of the ban, or if you've your talk page revoked.
talk) 04:05, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply
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@
Beeblebrox). - Neutralhomer • Talk • 16:48, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply
]

I figured you were busy. (Turns out Beeblebrox was, too.) I think that's what the added section at AN established you should do, yes. Yngvadottir (talk) 22:23, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

List of radio stations in Virginia

Would someone (@
Trey Maturin did revert most of the anon's vandalism, but some of it wasn't (clearly overlooked due to the chaotic editing style by the anon, not on any part of Trey). Much appreciated. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 03:23, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply
]

Looks to me as if that's what's been done? Yngvadottir (talk) 03:45, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Yngvadottir: I was just looking at the history page itself and it looked like a few things had gotten left out. As long as everything is there, all is good. Just lookin' out. Carry on. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 03:48, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Be careful, not to breach
WP:Proxying by asking editors to make edits 'or' revert edits. GoodDay (talk) 04:31, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply
]
@GoodDay: Point taken, but since it was vandalism edits, so I was safe there. :) Also, I made sure to ask only admins just to double cover. :) Again, point taken. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 05:11, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Question

Occasionally I check in to my watchlist, see how things are going. Can't do anything, but I can watch the watchlist. I noticed these two posts. Am I allowed to respond (via here) to those?
I did look back into the histories of the pages and on the WJLS-FM page, the "couple years back" refers to last year and this edit which was nothing but OR. I reverted and left an edit summary of "Just a metric ton of OR. Please only readd with third-party reliable sources. Thank you." Not vandalism as they claim.
On the WWWV page, they mentioned "2013" and this is the only edit I could find. We had a LARGE amount of vandalism at the time across multiple radio station pages, so my response was a little terse, but I did add an edit summary, "removing a large swath of original research, please do NOT readd without reliable third-party sources."
Now, the user in question never tried to contact me and I'm pretty sure why they chose to do this now. So, @
Beeblebrox, Yngvadottir, and Floquenbeam:, am I allowed to respond to this via here, since this is a direct accusation of vandalism or can I just link the user to what I just wrote above? Thanks...Neutralhomer • Talk • 22:46, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply
]

Neutralhomer, you really should make another unblock request here. (And for clarification, I haven't been an admin for several years now. Just a regular old editor.)

I agree the accusation of vandalism on both pages is unwarranted. If no one else does, I'll engage with it later. I've only looked in detail into the WJLS-FM edit that you reverted, and among the OR I see 2 or 3 barelink refs that, if I have time today or tonight my time, I'll use to write a proper little history of the station, in my capacity as an inveterate article improver and because all those "woulds" make me itch. However, the technical stuff will probably be wrong, because of my lack of the necessary background in that or anything else technical. I repeat, you should make another unblock request here. Yngvadottir (talk) 23:16, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Yngvadottir: I thought you were an admin. :) *in Game of Thrones-type voice* You shall be treated as such. *ahem* Anyway, much appreciated on the engagement with the editor and the history for the page. :) This weekend, I will throw together another unblock request. We are looking pretty good weather-wise, so as long as we don't get a surprise blizzard from Norway or Canada, I think my job should be good. :) Anyway, appreciate your help...Neutralhomer • Talk • 23:22, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Always precious

Ten years ago, you were found precious. That's what you are, always. Difficult. - "recognition of merits" is the header of the entry 10 years ago, and I remember and cherish your efforts in awards and articles. - "The only real nation is humanity". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:40, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Gerda Arendt: I'm still around. :) Thanks! :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 06:50, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Reinstatement

It's April. You have my support for reinstatement. GoodDay (talk) 19:14, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@GoodDay: Four more days. I was blocked on 10/20, which would bring my 6 months up at 4/20. I still think we are going to have a good laugh on Wednesday, but it'll be fun regardless. Hey, maybe you all will surprise me (sorry, I'm a sarcastic pessimist). - Neutralhomer • Talk • 22:29, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Classic hip-hop radio stations in the United States has been nominated for renaming

Category:Classic hip-hop radio stations in the United States has been nominated for renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 18:34, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Mvcg66b3r: I appreciate the invite, but still blocked. I would be Opposed to this because it's always been "Hip-Hop", with the hyphen. Now, I am aware the main article takes out the hyphen, but Encyclopedia Britannica, Spotify, Netflix, RollingStone, Apple Music, SoundCloud, The New York Times, Pitchfork (album review site), BMI (aka: Broadcast Music, Inc.), WNYC Public Radio (an NPR station in NYC).....I could go on. They all use the hyphen.
Now, there are others that don't use the hyphen. I believe it comes down to exactly what you believe (and were taught) "proper English" is. As in, should that hyphen be there or should it not. I think this should be put on hold, the MUCH larger question of the hyphen within the main
hip hop article needs to be addressed, then move on to the sub-articles and templates like this one. But, since I'm an 80s kid, it's always had the hyphen, so I have to Oppose (that is, if I had a !vote). - Neutralhomer • Talk • 21:11, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply
]

Unblock

{{unblock reviewed |1=Well, it's officially been six months. Apparently I'm allowed to ask for the [[Wikipedia:Standard offer|Standard Offer]]. So, let's do this. - [[User:Neutralhomer|Neutralhomer]] • [[User talk:Neutralhomer|Talk]] • 9:10 am, Today (UTC+2) |decline = We don't have to ask AN or ANI for a decline and this clearly is doomed to fail. I don't think there any entitlement to the standard offer and, if you are not prepared to respect the community enough to give them reasons to consider then I don't see why we need to disturb the community with this [[User:Spartaz|Spartaz]] ''[[User talk:Spartaz|Humbug!]]'' 14:45, 20 April 2022 (UTC)}} :Of course, this would still have to go through all the usual bells, whistles, hoop-jumping, and ANI threads, but why not? I've got the time, I'm waiting on a new job that starts in June, so I'm game. So, pinging {{ping|Beeblebrox|Yngvadottir|Floquenbeam}} and any other of the usual cast. Feel free to start the ANI thread since this is an indef. I'll be honest, I don't see this happening, but we'll have a 4/20 chuckle. Munchies are on Floq. - [[User:Neutralhomer|Neutralhomer]] • [[User talk:Neutralhomer|Talk]] • 07:10, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).
Neutralhomer (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I am asking for my account to be unblocked. As I have stated numerous times, I FUBAR'd. I took my defense of an editor too far. I apologize. I apologize to everyone for being a proper twit. That's not being me being "problematic" now, that's just me discribing how I was being at the time. I have no excuse for my behavior. A right arse, I was. But I feel this is no longer a preventive block, but punitive (but I digress) and am asking for the
standard offer. Again, I took my defense of an editor too far. As I have said in a couple other UTRS unblock requests, I have a few edits I would like to edit a couple favorite radio station articles of mine that desperately need it. So, I plan on hitting the ground running, albeit very quietly. I don't plan on making any waves. I don't plan on contacting DrKay, unless the community says that a public apology is wanted/needed, then I will. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 04:50, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply
]

Decline reason:

While I don't have a drastic history of disagreeing with Floq, I actually would have taken this to AN as of when you first edited it. Ultimately, I'm positive any unblock here will require community agreement. But your means of engagement elsewhere on this page since then suggests that you won't be able to participate in a process involving so many individuals you have a dislike or disagreement with in sufficient good faith. Nosebagbear (talk) 13:57, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

@Nosebagbear: "dislike or disagreement"? I wouldn't even say I dislike Floq. I may have "very strong opinions" about him, but I don't "dislike him". I think you may be referencing where I've asked GoodDay to stay off my talk page. That's because I don't see them being a help to anything and in fact being a hindrance (ie: pot-stirring). Beyond that, I might disagree with folks, but that doesn't mean I "dislike" them. I do respond in the only way I can (ie: this), but that's because this is all I got. So, if you feel AN or ANI is the best method, throw it up. I've got nothing but time (until mid-June), if not...no worries. Not like I can do much about it. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 14:09, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Yngvadottir and Floquenbeam: Per Yngvadottir, I have amended the unblock request. Per rules, I am tagging Floquenbeam, since he is the blocking editor. He can ignore, but I do have to tag. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 04:50, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It's been a long pandemic, I'd forgotten that meaning of 4/20 :-)

I don't think it has to go to AN/I, I think you have a clean slate. Make your case. (I think you can just amend the above until it's received an official response and changed color.) Yngvadottir (talk) 07:47, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know why, but the ping didn't work for me. At the risk of Beeb getting pinged twice: @
Beeblebrox
:.

An ANI thread is not zero-cost, it will take up a lot of other people's time. I doubt anyone will transfer this to ANI so that you can have a chuckle; they will probably want to see an actual unblock request with meat on the bones before moving it. Same for any reviewing admin who decides to handle this on their own. I'd advise withdrawing this request until you actually have something to say, or it will just get procedurally declined. The standard offer has never meant "wait 6 months with no socking and welcome back with no further ado". --Floquenbeam (talk) 12:05, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I see no contrition or explanation. Just because you can request an unblock doesn't mean one is advisable, nor that it should be granted. A re-read through User_talk:Neutralhomer#WP:AN_Replies reminded me of why I supported a block, and I see no evidence of change. Would oppose at this time. Star Mississippi 13:08, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Star Mississippi: How does I apologize. I apologize to everyone for being a proper twit ... I have no excuse for my behavior. A right arse, I was not come at least slightly close to the contrition or explanation you want to see? They literally say they can't excuse it. My question is, can we forgive the AmEng/BrEng seesawing :) SN54129 14:36, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Serial Number 54129: There's a reason I did that. On my original unblock request, I used some "colorful" language that was frowned upon. So, I decided to use the same language but "cheer" it up a bit. Cause no one can insult you like a Brit and still make it sound like a compliment at the same time, especially with the accent. :) It was supposed to be better than me saying I was an "asshole" and I "royally fucked up", which people didn't think was "contrition or explanation" enough and "lost all meaning". Unfortunately for everyone, I work in custodial and have worked in construction, plus, I'm the son of a sailor, so I cuss like one. But, for you all, I made an effort. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 14:49, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The original unblock request that my comment was in response to was Well, it's officially been six months. Apparently I'm allowed to ask for the Standard Offer. So, let's do this. NH subsequently decided to write a proper unblock but that first one had no substance. They're entitled to have that be an open unblock, I'm entitled to my opinion that it wasn't in good faith. I didn't decline it, but you'll note no one rushed to accept it so mine wasn't the lone opinion. Star Mississippi 15:01, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Yngvadottir: Pandemic ain't ever gonna be over...unfortunately. :( But sure can smoke them bad thoughts away. :) It's legal (up to an ounce or 4 plants...for now) in Virginia. :D
@
Spartaz, Floquenbeam, and Star Mississippi
: (I won't ping Beeb, since he's been pinged twice now): Here's where I have a major problem. At first at UTRS, I couldn't talk about others, but you all wanted explanation. Then, I actually got to talk, then you wanted full explanation, but my "talking about others" didn't sound like contrition. So, even in my unblock and subsequent ANI thread (which none of my responses ever got forwarded to), I expressed "contrition" and that was good enough because I didn't express it in a proper way (I was cussing and it "lost all meaning", an asshole is an asshole even if you call him a "proper twit"). So, I waited. Now, apparently I have to "respect" the community and "give them reasons", which they didn't accept nor want in the first place and my asking for the standard offer is an "entitlement" which will "disturb the community". But you "advise [me to] [withdraw] this request until [I] actually have something to say", but you all have never really wanted to hear anything I have wanted to say in the first place.
So, I guess my question, oh police force of Wikipedia, oh changer of rules as they come along, what is it that you want? Because 6 months has elapsed. I have expressed contrition, that didn't matter to you. I have worked constructively with the community from my talk page, that didn't matter to you. So what matters?
As I said before, this is no longer a preventive block, but punitive. It is no longer serving a purpose but to punish me. You can tell me "blocks don't punish" all day, but who is on the other end of it...it's not you....and you are the ones changing the rules as you go along. Now, what matters to you? - Neutralhomer • Talk • 20:34, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In my opinion, you're performing for an unblock without any indication that you'll change your behavior. It's six months later and... You seem to think you have right to edit, but you don't. No one does. I think you should show you can edit collaboratively on another project before requesting reinstatement here, but that's not policy, just my opinion. Star Mississippi 20:41, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@
WP:SO
for you:

How does it work?

After you have waited six months, contact a willing administrator or experienced editor (via your user talk page, email, #wikipedia-en-unblock connect or WP:UTRS) (list of administrators).

If they agree a review is appropriate, they'll open a thread at an administrative noticeboard (ideally Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard).

Discussion usually takes a few days.

Apologies and other expressions of remorse aren't necessary, but basic courtesy and a willingness to move forward productively are. (bold added by me)

Now, I have said before that I will edit quietly and collaboratively. Per SO, I am not required to repeat it over and over. I am also not required to, once again, offer "contrition". So, yes, an ANI thread does have to be opened, per SO. The community has to be "disturbed", which by looking at ANI, it's disturbed 53 times over. I think it will be fine. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 21:10, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
clearly you are failing the persuading the other editor that a review is appropriate part.
Spartaz ^Humbug! 21:13, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply
]

You may disagree with me, which is absolutely your right, but I'm not sure why you directed that reply to me. I a) said my opinion wasn't policy and b) was not the one who said I didn't think AN/I would be a viable path. Star Mississippi 21:13, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Star Mississippi: You responded, it is polite to respond back. Consider this a southern hat tip then. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 21:32, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Gotcha. My personal opinion is for you to write a sentence or two explaining why you want to be unblocked that another editor can use to open a request at either channel. Take the tenets that you've mentioned and explain what would be different if you're unblocked. With what you have here, I see only a quick decline which puts you back where you were, or worse because it re-starts the six month clock I'd imagine. "It has been six months" is not sufficient. It reads like a check list item, which is your right. But it's also the community's right not to engage with a half-assed request. Star Mississippi 21:40, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Star Mississippi: Aside from harshing my buzz, they might just get a copy/paste of my previous unblock and me be done with it. I will say, this is about what I expected. Only I'm the one who is laughing...mostly cause of the buzz. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 21:47, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I wish you the best with your plan. I'm sure you'll find an editor willing to open the appropriate thread. Star Mississippi 21:53, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Star Mississippi: I doubt it, but stranger shit has happend, dude. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 21:56, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@
Spartaz: Well, being that everything I have said within the last 6 months hasn't "persuad[ed] the other editor" or any editor, so I'm asking for an ANI thread OR I'm asking for an ArbCom thread. One or the other. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 21:32, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply
]

Comment just to be clear to any uninvolved editors who choose to take this on. Despite the claim that the unblock was withdrawn, it was in fact declined by @
Spartaz:. Star Mississippi 22:23, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply
]

Comment on new unblock request: I guess my perspective is that it is preventative, in the sense that it is preventing you from doing the same thing again. You say you won't. But after multiple issues in the past, people stop taking you at your word that it won't happen again - you've said it the previous times you've been unblocked - and want something more convincing. Whether you're actually likely to do the same thing again or not is a judgment call, and so far I guess you haven't said anything that convinces an admin or the AN/ANI crowd that you're not likely to do the same thing again. But it certainly seems unlikely that taking the exact same approach as last time, but with 3 more months gone by, is going to change people's minds, right? Isn't recycling your old unblock request pointless, except perhaps because you find it entertaining?

What could you say that would be convincing? I don't honestly know; I agree that with your current approach, there isn't really anything you could say that would be convincing. A completely new, more self-reflective and humble approach might find more sympathetic ears, but you don't seem interested in a completely new approach. I think you're stuck. I'm getting a sense of deja vue; if I said pretty much this exact thing last time, I apologize for the repetition. --Floquenbeam (talk) 23:02, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Floquenbeam: From SO: "Apologies and other expressions of remorse aren't necessary, but basic courtesy and a willingness to move forward productively are". Now, I have given you the basic courtesy to show you that I am willing to move forward productively, how about you show me the same? Hmm? Cause all you are showing me is you want me to grovel, which we all know I am not going to do.

Also Floq, this is repetition and reputation we've come to expect. You get mad, threaten, threaten, block, then act all nice and caring, but you really don't, cause you aren't going to do anything. You did what you set out to do. You blocked me, good job. You have no intention of unblocking me or allowing me to be unblocked....and no one is going to cross you else feel thyne wrath of that be Floq (still buzzed, deal).

For 6 months I have been nothing but cordial and respectful, but you all have been anything but. I've had to be nice and polite, you all can be assholes. I have to show contrition, but you quite literally want me to kiss your asses. I have to "self-reflective and humble", but you yourself say I couldn't be convincing. You say my block is preventative "in the sense that it is preventing you from doing the same thing again", but you have ZERO proof that is actually the case. You are going on assumptions. Pure assumptions. You do know what they say about people who ASS-U-ME, right?

"Apologies and other expressions of remorse aren't necessary, but basic courtesy and a willingness to move forward productively are". I've given you the courtesy, the time, and far more. It's time for you to give in return.....or let's take this to ArbCom. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 23:20, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Floquenbeam: I checked your contribs to see if you were still online (not like we have "online" indicators) and I noticed a post you made on another user's talk page. Now, I'm willing to concede, as I have, that you were "(as most of us are) was trying to do the right thing", but are you still now? Is this still "the right thing"? Are you certain?

Are you for absolute certain that I am going to cause all forms of hell and fuckery as soon as those gates are unlocked like a Tazmanian Devil on speed? If I did, what good would come of it? Why would I go through this entire charade for 6(!) months, just to ruin it in a very large and very quick blaze of glory? Can you be for certain that I wouldn't just wander over to my favorite article and update it quietly? I have 3/4s of all of Wikipedia's admins watching me, don't you think they are going to be watching me with an electron microscope from Hell?

So I ask again, are you certain that "you, as most of us are, trying to do the right thing" here by keeping me blocked? - Neutralhomer • Talk • 23:52, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If you don't want me to interact with you or post here, it's a lot easier - way easier - to just not ping me and ask for my response. If you do want me to interact with you or post here, I don't understand why you think I'll do so when you post stuff like you posted at 23:20. " You did what you set out to do. You blocked me, good job...."? "...no one is going to cross you else feel thyne wrath of that be Floq."? "...you quite literally want me to kiss your asses"? How embarrassing. I have no obligation to interact with you further, and based on that post, I choose not to. --Floquenbeam (talk) 00:21, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Floquenbeam: It's that post you choose to read, not the one below. Figures. But, expected response. Carry on. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 00:35, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Not sure what the mess up is at 07:10, 20 April 2022 (UTC). Anyways, if the lad was banned at ANI? Then his unblock request should be posted at ANI. GoodDay (talk) 01:58, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
if Neutralhomer's assertion that I have 3/4s of all of Wikipedia's admins watching me is true, one will see that and copy their request. No one, admin or not, is mandated to. Star Mississippi 02:11, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@GoodDay: Oh that, that was after the initial unblock requestion also at 07:10, which Floq asked to be withdrawn. I was just pinging everyone involved, made the 4/20 joke, and mentioned that I was going to be up for a few since I wasn't on my usual sleep schedule as I turned in my 2 weeks back in March. I am actually running out about a month and a half of mandatory vacation time that they owe me, so I'm available anytime (except for tomorrow morning, I owe other people my time). Honestly, though, this has long ran it's course and predictably so. I told ya it wasn't going anywhere. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 02:32, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Rightly or wrongly, I suspect administrators might be viewing your responses as flippant-based. If so? that's not gonna help ya any. GoodDay (talk) 22:13, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@GoodDay: Well, on [420 (cannabis culture)|4/20], most of mine were "buzzed-based" or "baked-based". So, take that for what it's worth. Also, did anyone actually expect that to go anywhere? - Neutralhomer • Talk • 04:57, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Star Mississippi: Have you seen how many admins are in this discussion? But none of them are going to cross him for fear of "thyne wrath of that be Floq" (still can't believe I came up with that). I mean, the dude went up against Jimbo and no one had the balls to tell him to stand down, not even Jimbo himself. It's not going to happen. He got his way (I'm blocked) and people are going to continue to kowtow to him until he either pushes up daisies or leaves of his own accord or ArbCom finally gets sick of his shit. He'll never unblock me cause if I actually do nothing, that'd be a blow to his MASSIVE ego and his reputation as being all knowing, all seeing, and always right...and people might start to question to all mighty Floq...and he can't have that. Think I'm talking bullshit, stand up to him....see what happens to you. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 02:35, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have. I'm one of those admins. To my knowledge I've had no interaction with Floq beyond that which is typical of various project/talk pages so my action or lackthereof has nothing to do with Floq's opinion. Looking at the log, Floq isn't even the last one to have blocked you. If I believed your unblock had a snowball's chance in hell of succeeding I might be willing to copy it over regardless of Floq, Spartaz or any other admin's opinion (unless of course it would be a Wheel situation). However I personally have no interest in it because it's going to be a time sink that I have neither the time nor the inclination to clerk and maintain and it's bedtime. While you're right that you don't have to per SO, we're all volunteers so none of us have to either. Best of luck in your quest to be unblocked. Star Mississippi 02:54, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Star Mississippi: Nah, no one is willing assume anything other than the worst. They see Neutralhomer and they instantly translate that into satan himself, but I'm anything but. But if the Mississippi is to be believed, you are an hour behind me and if I remember correctly, it takes all of a second to unblock me. Also, I don't believe it snows in Mississippi and did you call your home state "hell"? :) But, I believe at 9a (8a your time) this morning, you made your opinion quite clear with this reply. If you were actually willing, you'd give it a shot....and you'd be pleasantly surprised and sleep well tonight knowing "wow, the project is still standing". But I don't see that happening. But I am the boogie man that keeps everyone up at night, not the now 61 ANI threads....me! *maniacal laughter* - Neutralhomer • Talk • 03:15, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It takes one second, but I don't believe unblocking you is the right decision. I'm not declining it because I'm happy to leave it for an uninvolved editor although I would weigh in at a community discussion. At the moment you haven't convinced a single person to copy your request nor to unblock. I think that means neither Floq nor I are the ones in the wrong. BUt as I said, best of luck. Star Mississippi 13:42, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Star Mississippi: Actions speak louder than beliefs. But, as I said, we had our chuckle, it went as expected. It's over. Let's go about our business. I got shit to do, I know everyone else does too. We'll have another good laugh in say....July? or October and make it an even 12. Later. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 16:29, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

<Looks up> Well that's a swizz. I still don't see why it needs to go to AN or AN/I, since we established that you aren't community banned. I was hoping this unblock request would just be accepted, with whatever stern admonishments or conditions imposed. Since it hasn't been, I guess all I can say is enjoy yourself until the new job starts, and I hope it's a good one.
I looked at the category deletion discussion but don't have the knowledge to state an opinion. It sucks that we have to continue doing without your expertise, but don't propose any edits here, please; not allowed. Yngvadottir (talk) 09:18, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Yngvadottir: Everyone wants something, but when I give it, they aren't satisfied. Basically, this entire thing, making sit here for 6 months, Floquenbeam acting all caring, GoodDay saying they would support, it's all been an act. Even Floq said "What could you say that would be convincing? I don't honestly know...". Apparently I have to be "self-reflective", even though that's not necessary per WP:SO. No one wants to create the thread at AN or ANI, so this is a punitive block, not a preventive one. They can claim it's "preventing me" from doing whatever, but they have no proof of that, only assumptions. That's all, pure assumptions. They have no clue what I'm going to do, they are assuming the worst. I have said what I plan on doing, but they basically calling me a liar....repeatedly. So much for AGF.

If I was unblocked at this very moment, like right now, I would probably only edit one article (my FA) just because it's the only one I actually care about. This entire thing, after 17+ years, has left a very bad taste in my mouth. All because we have unchecked powertrips going on around here. If I'm being honest, adminships should be like driver's licenses, and be reviewed every year. Is this user mature enough to have an adminship? Are they being problematic? Are they becoming drunk with power? We need checks and balances in place. It's basically unchecked power and ArbCom never gets involved until it's far too late.

But it doesn't matter, at this rate, I'm never coming back. The community at-large might suffer, it might not, but I don't think I really care. To be honest, Wikipedia had/has become so toxic, I had limited my "coverage area" for the articles I watched. That area got smaller and smaller over the years and in 2021, I cut it by half. I was tired of fighting battles of stupid crap. I watch, now, how anons are adding unchecked OR across the pages I still have watchlisted. No one is stopping that and vandalism, it goes unchecked too. But I'm the problem, not unchecked OR or vandalism, me. Not the currently 40 pages at ANI, nope, it's me. I'm what keeps them up at night. Doesn't matter. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 15:06, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Friendly piece of advice from a fellow editor, not an admin. No one wants to create the thread at AN or ANI, so this is a punitive block, not a preventive one except as @
literally everyone but yourself. You assert you have 3/4s of all of Wikipedia's admins watching me so make an unblock request, convince folks that an AN thread, should someone deem it necessary, won't be a drama fest and let it take its course. I concur with @Nosebagbear that I don't think you will be able to successfully participate in that thread, but it's within your right to request one. The fact that no one has been inclined to do it might merit some self reflection. Star Mississippi 16:42, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply
]
@Star Mississippi: I've requested the ANI/AN threads, but those requests have been ignored. You actually contradict yourself there. You say "it's within your right to request one" but also I have to "convince folks that an AN thread" is necessary. Request and convince are two very different things. Also, SO specifically says "apologies and other expressions of remorse aren't necessary, but basic courtesy and a willingness to move forward productively are". Nowhere in the section does it mention "self-reflection" or "acts of contrition". In fact, that's the "basic courtesy" and "willingness to move forward productively", which I don't think you all are. Now, I don't need an admin....anyone can start this thread. Again, per SO, "a willing administrator or experienced editor" can start the thread "ideally at AN".

Now, I have repeatedly given you all more than enough reasons why I should be unblocked, but you all are not operating in good faith. Don't say that "I'm blaming literally everyone", when I can't do literally anything. You hold all the power, so, yes, I can blame everyone. You want to prove me wrong....hit that button, unblock me. Don't make assumptions of what I might do. If I make like Taz spinning through the entire website, it will be a pretty quick clean up and everyone is proven right. But if not....then, whaddya know, everyone's got some crow to eat. Won't know until you try and until you do. Until then, it's assumptions and it's punitive, not preventive. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 17:07, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
So why have they been ignored? Think hard about that and not what you told me before about being afraid of Floq because that's more blaming everyone else. @GoodDay @Yngvadottir could open threads on your behalf. They have not. Personally I am not willing to start the thread because I don't think it will be productive or end in an unblock, so why waste your time or the community's? You have the right to request it, editors have the right to decide whether or not to act on it. I will take no action as I am involved and either you (if I declined an unblock request), or someone who believes you should remain blocked (if I unblocked) would rightfully mention that. That's not bad faith. Star Mississippi 17:21, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oh dear. (Slept late today, just saw this.) Neutralhomer, I'm sorry. I still don't see why it has to be at AN or AN/I; I had the impression the last one went there because you asked, but I'll repeat, I am not up on all the bureaucratic rules. Star Mississippi clearly thinks that's a necessary step, and Nosebagbear implied it. So ... I will create such a section for a new unblock request if you want that. But I personally believe you can just keep making unblock requests. (I'm not even sure you fall under the Standard Offer requirement to wait 6 months.) If you don't want to, it saddens me, but I understand what you are saying about having less and less will to try to help out. Again, I can't give you big hints about how to frame an unblock request, and even if that wasn't against the rules, I might be advising you wrong. Let me know if you do at any point want me to post something at AN (might be better than AN/I, the peanut gallery is a bit less active). Yngvadottir (talk) 22:01, 30 April 2022 (UTC) ... ETA: I'm sorry, I hadn't looked at the bottom of the page and didn't know your talk page access had been revoked again. That must have made this seem like taunting. Apologies, I had no idea. Yngvadottir (talk) 22:40, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Reply

@Mvcg66b3r: Seeing as I'm already indef-blocked (welcome to the shit show) and "being annoying" isn't cause for talk page access to be removed, plus it's over. Let it go, dude. Floq isn't going to unblock and I'm not worth getting all worked up about. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 11:31, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

New section

I've only skimmed the later discussion above, but I see the unblock request is still open. I personally, as a member of the community, want you unblocked so you can resume updating all those radio station articles when they change call signs/formats/licensed owners/wattages yet again. I sure as heck am not capable of riding herd on those articles. And who knows what else you might do for the encyclopedia after you're unblocked, including helping newbies.
I don't see why your unblock request needs to go to AN(I); both Floq and StarMississippi mention above that some admin might see it and act on it (as Spartaz did with the earlier one). It's still showing as an open unblock request in the category admins check. So I strongly suggest you amend that open request (the template says at the bottom that you can). I can't give you big hints, much less clear instructions, and in any case I could be wrong about this as so many things, but I suggest shortening it to just the components listed at
the guide
: cut out the meta-discussion and just say you fucked up (I liked the way you said that at the unblock appeal that was posted to the noticeboard last time, but as you know, some folks disliked the 4-letter words) and make a credible statement that you won't do it again, then what you plan to do on Wikipedia if you get unblocked (roughly; as I say, who knows what you'll be helping us with after you're unblocked, and they don't need a list of radio station codes to get the gist). (I know you're on the spectrum and I'm not, but even if I knew that I had a foolproof formula for an unblock request, I wouldn't be allowed to give it to you. It has to be your personal statement.)
I would just replace the "unblock reason" text in the still open request with the new text. Like I said before, please. It only takes one admin to unblock you. Yngvadottir (talk) 21:48, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

4/20 is Over

Ladies, Gentlemen, Non-Binary friends, children off all ages, (and all the ships at sea, let's go to press). I appreciate the two of you who have supported me (you know who you are and I thank you). But now, in my best stern teacher voice (and I'm not a teacher) "it's done, it's over with, go to your corners, and get back to class!" Leave the unblock there and maybe we'll all be suprised, but beating the
dead horse is not going to help anyone and is just filling up everyone's email boxes and talk pages with needless notifications. As that annoying damn song goes...."Let it gooo!" - Neutralhomer • Talk • 05:02, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply
]

User:GoodDay

I'm not in a very good headspace, so I'm make this short. This and now this is pot-stirring, on pots that were cold and in fridges to begin with. If you honestly and truly wanted to support my "reinstatement", you would have been first in line when the unblock was hot out of the pot. Now 4 days later when it is mere leftovers (and I don't think it's any good anymore), you are (on your own talk page where you know I can't respond) saying I "don't want any help" and "likely best, that your talkpage be blocked, for next six months"...when you weren't here when the dinner bell rang as you said you would be.
So, I am going to ask very politely, that you stay off my talk page and stay out of the kitchen. I am frankly tired of your pot-stirring. My talk page, the kitchen, and the pot are closed. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 23:42, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:NBC Sports Radio stations has been nominated for deletion

Category:NBC Sports Radio stations has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 18:50, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Wcquidditch: Thank you for letting me know. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 02:27, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Talk page access revoked

You have been ranting and raving for ten days now. Your talk page has been revoked. Please read
WP:UTRS for your options going forward. Cullen328 (talk) 17:34, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply
]

GoodDay has said that they intend to post your appeal on an administrator's noticeboard. Accordingly, I am restoring your talk page access for the sole purpose of commenting on your appeal. Cullen328 (talk) 18:25, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@GoodDay and Cullen328: Appreciated. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 18:27, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ping me, when you have it written up. Then I'll copy/paste it to WP:AN or ANI. Which ever place you prefer. GoodDay (talk) 20:08, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@GoodDay: The way I read that, it was you who was going to post was already available. Misunderstood. Gimme a moment, let me rattle something out. Cullen328, am I to do this in unblock format or just standard "write it out" format? - Neutralhomer • Talk • 20:11, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm guessing a "write it out" form. But, I'll let Cullen advise us on that matter. GoodDay (talk) 20:14, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@GoodDay:: I am requesting an unblock to the main block, which occured on October 20th, 2021, and was done by Floquenbeam (pinging per rules). I have, repeatedly, accepted responsibility for my actions in the original block. I have even accepted the reasoning behind it. While Floq and I may have a difference of opinion on how it all went down, it's been 6 months, that horse is long dead and buried. This block has served it's purpose.

In these six months I have not edited, sockpuppeted, or created any new accounts. I have an IPv6 IP address and I welcome anyone from CU to run a CU to verify. I have a known, open, and unblocked secondary mobile-only account. An account I could have used at anytime to continue editing constructively or unconstructively. I chose Option C: Honor the spirit of the block.

I have apologized for my actions leading up to my block, but that, seemingly, was not enough for some. "Self-reflection", further "acts of contrition", etc. were requested with one editor saying "What could you say that would be convincing? I don't honestly know...". Meaning, there isn't anything that could convince anyone. Yes, I have aired my frustrations with this process on my talk page, but that doesn't mean that's how I'm going to act. Yngvadottir made a good point "[w]hat I was hoping for was an admin suggesting an editing restriction, such as 1RR and help templates/mentorsship if he gets into a dispute in article space...", I wouldn't against that. It's better than assumptions that I might do something. Plus, if I do actually do something, don't you all think an admin will be on top of me like chitlins on collar' greens? Exactly. (...and yes, I am from the South, chitlins and collar' greens are a thing, please see Soul food).

Now, I'm aware that was slightly rant-y, but it needed to be said. Everything I say seems to be taken wrong, it shouldn't. Other editors have asked what I plan on doing if I am unblocked. Exactly what I did before I was blocked, editing radio station articles, albeit very quietly and with a much narrowed coverage area than before. I have a few edits that desperately need to be done to my FA already lined up. Again, I will be watched like a hawk watches a mouse at suppertime. I'm OK with that too.

For those who think any of this is "blame-shifting", or "babbling", or "ranting", or a "time sink", it's not. It's me, in my Autistic form (I do not "self-identif[y]", I have paperwork, an actual diagnosis, though self-identifiers are valid), explaining in blunt, literal, and drawn-out language what took place, how I feel about it, what I'm willing to accept (ie: 1RR, etc.), and what should/will come next. Again, blunt, literal, drawn-out.

TL;DR: This block has ran it's course. I'm sorry. You have nothing to worry about. I want to edit radio stations. The community and the project is safe. Everything is fine if I'm unblocked. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 20:45, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Do you want me to copy/paste what you just posted now? GoodDay (talk) 20:50, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Did I make a mistake? Something look bad? I thought I did good. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 20:54, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm assuming your response is "yes, copy/paste it". So, that's what I'm going to do. GoodDay (talk) 21:11, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) @GoodDay: It was. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 21:13, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I've posted it at WP:AN. GoodDay (talk) 21:18, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Appreciated. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 21:20, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

May 2022 AN Thread Responses

@All: As for the secondary account, since everyone seems to be missing that point, that's meant to show that I'm doing the right thing. I'm honoring the block. If I was this evil and bad person I'm made out to be, why wouldn't I just use the secondary account available to me? Why wouldn't I? Because I'm not the evil and bad person I'm made out to be. Call it "the block worked", call it whatever you want. But if the prisoner's cell opens up and he doesn't leave, he does the right thing...for 6 months...perhaps he's rehabilitated. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 21:56, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Praxidicae: First off, I appreciate your userpage, thank you. If you would, add Wayne A. Jones to that list (search his name and Martinsburg, WV). He was my friend.

On to your response: fair enough. But let me turn your attention to my block log, which will get brought up anyway. You'll notice I had a couple minor blocks in 2018 and 2020. But, I hadn't gotten a biggie since 2012. Our past doesn't speak for our present. We aren't who we were 10 or 12 years ago. I skated through with minor issues (one with Cullen328 as the blocking admin) and a MAJOR blow-up across at least two platforms, but in 10 years, I had 3 minor baby blocks. So, I think I'm a safe bet. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 21:37, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Mythdon: Fourth paragraph. Also, slight correction, I haven't been on my talk page every day since December. There were major breaks there January, all of February, March, and a chunk of April.

As for "hyperfocused on just trying to get unblocked", I serve many masters, I'm just trying to make everyone happy. You want reassurance, here ya go. If I do it again, I will be instantl....do you think I'm stupid?! You think I'm going to get unblocked and go "haha, they fell for my plan, time to raise HELL!" in my most evil sounding voice and then terrorize the masses? Or maybe, just maybe, I might just not edit for about 24 hours? Kinda enjoy the fresh air. Then ease back into it. Yeah, probably that last one. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 21:51, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Levivich: Acknowledged. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 22:19, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@DeCausa: Sure, if I see something like that again, I'll probably just ignore it. I won't like doing so, because I'll want to help, but I won't get involved.

To be honest, the only reason I was on DrKay's talk page was because they threatened an FA that I worked far too hard on. I was about to take them off my watchlist when I saw the situation with the other user. I felt it was bullying, same as me, I stepped in. I shouldn't have in the first place and I took it too far. In my effort to get people to see my view (which is hard when I don't talk in the same way as most people), I became defensive. I was also dealing with work issues, which I won't blame on my temper or my reactions (I did go too far). But my preceived "injustice by Floqenbeam", him and I have had run-ins in the past. I thought he should have recused himself. He didn't, no one else thought so, that's over and in the past, yadda yadda. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 00:40, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@HandThatFeeds: My reference to my Autism was a reference to an editor saying they learned that someone "self-indentifies" as Autistic. Now, that person could have been talking about anyone, but under that particular thread, I have a safe bet who it was. So, no, I'm not using it "as a shield from critique". But, now that you bring it up, since I live in Virginia (which is part of the US), I am protected under the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990. Wikipedia and Wikimedia's servers are based in California. You opened that door. I'm taking responsibility for my actions, you all are just not wanting to see it. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 00:40, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Per Mythdon, and apparently per WP:BATTLEGROUND and WP:BLUDGEON, I am not allowed to respond. So, if you have questions for me...... - Neutralhomer • Talk • 22:33, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You are allowed to respond. You should just consider whether a given response is likely to help or hurt your appeal. Cullen328 (talk) 22:59, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I honestly don't know what you all want. It's one thing, then the opposite. Then it's another, then the opposite of that. Then a third, and then the opposite of that. You want me to be more responsive, then that's battleground and bludgeoning. I'm babbling, then I'm being standoffish. I'm not showing condrition, but my apologizes have lost all meaning. No one is making any sense and everyone is contradictory. Everyone is focusing on the negative of what might happen and assuming, instead of focusing on the positive of what could happen and thinking "is he really gonna be that stupid?"

But somehow I'm the one with the problem. Fuck, I'm just trying to understand you people....and that's pretty damned hard when you keep moving the freakin' goal posts (not to mention treating others with good faith and respect and me with malice and like I have some new virus). - Neutralhomer • Talk • 00:03, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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 *{{replyto|Levivich}} Acknowledged. - <small style="white-space:nowrap;border:1px solid #FF7518;padding:1px;">[[User:Neutralhomer|<span style="color:#900;">Neutralhomer</span>]] • [[User talk:Neutralhomer|<span style="color:Black;">Talk</span>]] • 22:19, 1 May 2022 (UTC)</small>
+*{{replyto|DeCausa}} Sure, if I see something like that again, I'll probably just ignore it. I won't like doing so, because I'll want to help, but I won't get involved.
+:To be honest, the only reason I was on DrKay's talk page was because they [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=WZFC_(AM)&action=history threatened an FA that I worked ''far'' too hard on]. I was about to take them off my watchlist when I saw the situation with the other user. I felt it was bullying, same as me, I stepped in. I shouldn't have in the first place and I took it too far. In my effort to get people to see my view (which is hard when I don't talk in the same way as most people), I became defensive. I was also dealing with work issues, which I won't blame on my temper or my reactions (I did go too far). But my preceived "injustice by Floqenbeam", him and I have had run-ins in the past. I thought he should have recused himself. He didn't, no one else thought so, that's over and in the past, yadda yadda. - <small style="white-space:nowrap;border:1px solid #FF7518;padding:1px;">[[User:Neutralhomer|<span style="color:#900;">Neutralhomer</span>]] • [[User talk:Neutralhomer|<span style="color:Black;">Talk</span>]] • 00:40, 2 May 2022 (UTC)</small>
+*{{replyto|HandThatFeeds}} My reference to my Autism was a reference to an editor saying they learned that someone "self-indentifies" as Autistic. Now, that person could have been talking about anyone, but under that particular thread, I have a safe bet who it was. So, no, I'm not using it "as a shield from critique". But, now that you bring it up, since I live in Virginia (which is part of the US), I am protected under the [[Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990]]. Wikipedia and Wikimedia's servers are based in California. You opened that door. I'm taking responsibility for my actions, you all are just not wanting to see it. - <small style="white-space:nowrap;border:1px solid #FF7518;padding:1px;">[[User:Neutralhomer|<span style="color:#900;">Neutralhomer</span>]] • [[User talk:Neutralhomer|<span style="color:Black;">Talk</span>]] • 00:40, 2 May 2022 (UTC)</small>
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