Talk:Ariosophy/Archive 1

It has further been argued that even the writings of the most "extreme" of the Ariosophists, Lanz von Liebenfels, cannot be definitively linked to the applied

Jewish race,^{[citation needed]} that he cooperated with Jewish scholars in many of his publications,^{[citation needed]} and while it can be argued that individual Nazis became familiar with the mystical racism of Theosophy through the works of List and Lanz,^{[citation needed}

] it does not necessarily follow that List and Lanz were culpable in the crimes of the Nazis.

All the organisations are either section titles or bolded in the text; and linking the various authors so early only means that they can't be linked in the sections where they are most directly relevant. This is unavoidable for List and Lanz, but shouldn't become a general thing. The only names in the list which don't appear elsewhere in the article are Shou and Glahn. I'm sure that a place can be found for those two somewhere, and then the subsection should be deleted, if nobody objects. Gnostrat 14:42, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I thought that if we debate people like Ernst Wachler in this article, then they should be mentioned in a list at the beginning. At least, if they name redircts to this article, as it is the case with Werner von Bülow. I am not completly sure about this, though, I have to put some thought into it. Zara1709 14:52, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Bülow's the only personal name that redirects here, by the way. Wachler doesn't. Gnostrat 15:31, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Also, names can be redirected straight to the sections or subsections where they are bolded, making an introductory list unnecessary. Gnostrat 04:08, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

I thought about this, and I think that you are right. The Overwiev section should do without the lists. However, the whole texts of this article needs to be summarized there. I would like to preserve that list until I get to the point where I can write a few sentences for this. Zara1709 08:18, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 03:29, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Hitler was no member, he payed no membership.....Sorry but you really think this was organized like a Kaninchenzuechterverein, a club for raising up rabbits? Himmler was member, met very often together at the ranch (Rittergut) of Mr.Hammerbacher in the 1920s, for example at the marriage Mr. Hammerbacher und the mother of the so called Sigrun Freifrau von Schlichting (she had different names, because of various marriages)

But its important to see the parallel strings of these societies, the close together of the participants, very often close family ties up to today (from 1900 to the year 2008). But dont merge all these groups, then you will not discover this organisation, more 'non-organisation' and loose the relationship of these various but also similar ideas. LordNice 21:07, 08 Januar 2008 (UTC)

I've moved this post to its chronological sequence since it has little to do with the merge proposal which is over and settled. I've also reverted your edits to the article. Sorry, but Wikipedia articles are not written on the basis of unsourced allegations (particularly those which implicate entire families of still-living persons up to the present day). Claiming some privileged source of information (such as family tradition or personal communication) won't wash here, we need claims to be verifiable. If you want to restore this material, please provide reliable published sources and write it up in a properly encyclopaedic style.

Even if these informal connections were true, what exactly would they prove? Friends and associates are under no necessity to hold the same opinions or agendas. We can't document these private discussions; what we are summarising here is the record of organisations because that is how it all finally works out in history. The article already does trace (and I hope will continue to trace) personal links between these organisations insofar as they are documented and relevant.

But as a matter of historical record, neither Himmler nor Heydrich nor Rosenberg were committed neopagans — unlike Darré, who made no secret of it. Rosenberg was a rationalist who denounced Wotan worship, and Himmler's dabbling in mysticism (mostly to do with Christian orders like the Teutonic Knights and the Jesuits) had few practical consequences beyond his naive support for Wiligut (who was no Wotanist either); see

this article

.

Given that the Schleipfers have explicitly distanced their concept of Armanism/Odinism from the whole ethos and quasi-religiosity of the SS, it is fair to say that even if Sigrun's family had known Himmler personally, this is of no consequence for the present-day Armanen Orden. Gnostrat (talk) 05:30, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

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A section of the article has a Neutrality Flag referring to this page, but there soesn't seem to be any discussion of the flag here. Since the section simply reproduces the ignorant rantings of an anticatholic religious bigot, who has no idea what he is talking about (e.g. there aren't any 'Catholic Church Fathers'!) I would have thought the section should simply be erased. OldTownAdge (talk) 13:18, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

I need an honest assistant to do the "secretarial" work in my "contributions" - i.e. the whole page needs lots of academic polishing and stylistic refinement, per Wikipedia guidelines of "proper form." I have tons of information, and do not know where to start, and the "mechanical" aspect of scholarship I am not proficient at.... Thanks to all volunteers! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.52.186.148 (talk) 17:09, 30 December 2013 (UTC)