Talk:Cher (entertainer)

I am not strictly speaking sure of describing her as world famous is correct. But I'll leave it to consensus. JuntungWu 16:40, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Actually I don't think it's for anyone to say if she's world famous or not. It's a very POV term, and completely wrong for here, so I've removed it. Replaced it with "American actress and singer" which is exactly how the majority of the celebrity article are phrased. Rossrs 16:51, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I'm sure the person who wrote this meant, just in the UK surely. I'm fairly sure in the United States (and probably worldwide) that title belongs to Whitney Houston's I Will Always Love You.

>>In 2004 she was nominated for a Grammy for "Best Dance Recording" for her song "Love One Another" but she lost to Australian Kylie Minogue. In the same year, she was told that for health reasons she would no longer be able to perform live. She therefore embarked on her last-ever world-wide tour (the Farewell Tour), her most spectacular and best-received tour ever.<<

I'm not sure about this, but I think the "Farewell Tour" must have started before 2004. She performed in my town in September of 2002 and I'm quite sure it was as a part of the "Farewell Tour."

Would there be any objections to moving/renaming this article from Cher (singer) -> Cher (entertainer)? I would be quite happy to update any links that went from the old page, to the new page. My rationale for the move is thus:

• Cher is not just a singer, she has also starred in a number of movies since her early days with Sonny Bono, see [1]. Her first film being Chastity in 1969 and her latest being In the Pink which has gone into preproduction. Let's not forget she won an Academy Award for Best Actress in her role in Moonstruck in 1988.
• Cher has announced in press conferences she is "retiring" from touring. Given her past history she may be back again however it is also quite likely she will return to acting in the near future and away from the music side of her life.
• The move would not be a precedent. Madonna (singer) was moved to Madonna (entertainer) to cover her theatre and film work. So the proposed move is nothing new.

I would sooner discuss it here with the editors of this article first rather than making any moves to diminish any concerns with the proposal. Megan1967 03:13, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The intro says:

Cher (born Cherilyn Sarkisian LaPière on May 20, 1946) is an American actress and singer.

Good enough to me that she's not just a singer...go for it. Cburnett 03:53, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• • I'll wait til the Easter holiday break is over before doing the move, since many editors are on holidays and would not be able to see this discussion. Megan1967 07:35, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

• • • I have no problem with the move, but be sure to clean up all the double redirects when you do it.  :) RickK 07:38, Mar 28, 2005 (UTC)
      • Move completed. I'll go through all the links and adjust accordingly. Megan1967 02:40, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I noticed this is catergorized under "Gay Icons", but there is no mention of this in the text. It begs the question. —The preceding

You're right. Until another editor can

WP:CITE a credible source which refers to this artist as such, I have decategorized this from Category:Gay icons. Hall Monitor 16:08, 28 July 2005 (UTC)[reply

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Are links to Google searches really sources? It seems that it would be better if the actual articles were linked to, not a listing of them on Google. As such, whether or not the articles actually support the claim of "Cher as Gay Icon" isn't at entirely clear.

I think Daniel Harris's The Rise and Fall of Gay Culture[2] would be a good candidate for a citation (and the absence of a citation there would be at least a bit damning). I've got it at home. I'll check tonight. — mendel ☎ 17:10, 19 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing in the index, and no mention of Cher in the chapter on diva worship. So she's not an archetype in Harris's view, although the problem with that authority might be that his timeframe was a bit too early. I see it's snuck back in again, fixing that momentarily. — mendel ☎ 00:11, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It seems that The Advocate refers to her as a gay icon occasionally: [3], [4]. That last link is an article by Michelangelo Signorile — if anyone can bestow gay iconhood, Signorile could, and does in passing: "Just as Cher recently made a comeback as a gay icon [...]". Also, in [5] Canadian gay columnist Richard Burnett writes "Felipe is now solely focused on the Village People's current tour opening for that other great gay icon, Cher." Given all that I think that the problem with Harris is a timeframe issue (he's more concerned with the Judy Garland era, really) and I believe it's an appropriate categorization. — mendel ☎ 00:18, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

What about the fact that she's guest-starred on Will & Grace at least twice *as a gay icon*? Mike H (Talking is hot) 22:44, 16 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

What's with the links in her album section? Most of them link to things totally unrelated to this artice. For example, "Foxy Lady" links to the Jimmy Hendrix song of the same name; "Mermaids" links to the article on the mythical sea creatures, etc. Is it just me or does that seem pretty stupid? I'd rather if they didn't link to anything. DMac 22:08, 18 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The article cites the American proverb, "After a nuclear holocaust, the only thing left will be cockroaches and Cher." That wise saying really doesn't have anything to do with her staying power as a international multitalented recording, acting, singing, dancing superstar. Just a thought!

I will fight a bear to get this article moved. If you do not believe me, get me a bear. And I will fight it. -Silence 05:35, 31 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I support this proposal, if only to save the poor bear. But even bears aside, this really should be just titled "Cher", and have one of those, "for other usages of the word "Cher", see "Cher (disambiguation)" or however the phrasing goes. --Qirex 12:32, 6 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]