Talk:Chipping Barnet/Archive 1

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: consensus to move Barnet (disambiguation) to Barnet, and move this article to Chipping Barnet. If another title besides Chipping Barnet is still desired or needed, please initiate a new discussion. Dekimasuよ! 23:12, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

Barnet → High Barnet – The name is ambiguous as the London Borough of Barnet is often referred to as just Barnet. I usually say I live in Finchley, but sometimes in Barnet. The article starts "High Barnet or Chipping Barnet", often abbreviated to Barnet, and it is better that the title is the correct full name. Barnet (disambiguation) could then be moved to Barnet. --Relisted. Dekimasuよ! 20:31, 9 November 2014 (UTC) Dudley Miles (talk) 13:07, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

Note. There appears to be consensus to move this page and the disambiguation page. Please see the discussion section below to help sort out the desired title for this article. Dekimasuよ! 20:31, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

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Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.

• Support I used to live in Gordon Rd, Finchley Central. I was often up in or passing through "Barnet" but the name was always used on the understanding that it was a shortening of the real title. The full title is also often used. WP:AT requires description and a barnet is also rhyming slang in the UK for hair as a reference to Barnet Fair. These are just two of the disambiguation items that can move to Barnet it the natural High Barnet disambiguation is used. (adding signature late sorry for incorrect date stamp
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• Oppose If anything the article should be Chipping Barnet. My detailed London atlas just says Barnet in large letters over the town of Chipping Barnet and doesn't mention High Barnet at all apart from showing the tube station High Barnet (which is in Chipping Barnet). The current article and Barnet navigation box have clearly been carefully thought through and we should let them be. For comparison, we have Ealing and London Borough of Ealing and that too is correct. Philafrenzy (talk) 11:01, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

• My atlas has High Barnet north of Wood Street and Chipping Barnet south of it. High Barnet tube seems to be in Chipping Barnet, but station names are often a bit odd - West Finchley station is east of Finchley Central. There is a case for two articles on Chipping and High Barnet, but this would require a fair amount of work by someone. Dudley Miles (talk) 12:58, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

• That's the point isn't it? Every atlas will have slightly different labels for what is essentially the same place. How will they be disambiguated? What is the difference between High Barnet and Chipping Barnet? Very little as far as I can see. Philafrenzy (talk) 13:13, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

I worry that modern book bound map information may potentially be simplistic, skewed and driven by agendas other than the development of encyclopaedic content. For instance some may have a simple agenda of helping people get from A-Z. I don't personally think that this is a big issue and am happy for admin to make a decision. Otherwise some historical references might also be of help.

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• Support some sort of rename, per the nom. Be it "High" or "Chipping" or "High and Chipping" or "Chipping and High", it should be moved to make way for the disambiguation page as suggested. The anachronistic
  Barnet, Hertfordshire is also an option. And Barnet, Barnet or Barnet, Barnet, London -- 67.70.35.44 (talk
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• As a minimum the disambag page should be the primary topic. Ended up here for that very reason. It doesn't seem logical that Barnet as an 'area' takes first spot, as there are numerous other topics that go by the same name, the borough not in the least. So in favour of a restoration of the classicial disambig strategy, not having a preference for the renaming of the current article though. Why not add the suffix (area) or (suburban area) with redirects from names such as Chipping, High, etcetera? Also, when renaming, all current links will have to be rechecked, as some are probably erroneously pointing to Barnet instead of the borough. --Midas02 (talk) 20:18, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose to High Barnet, support for Barnet (Disambiguation). High Barnet, London Borough of Barnet, Battle of Barnet Hill, Barnet FC are all things I think of when I hear "Barnet" so, why not throw it to disambiguation? cheers.143.65.196.20 (talk) 17:59, 7 November 2014 (UTC)ip user

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(Presumably means support for Barnet (disambiguation) to be moved to Barnet, with no opinion about where to move Barnet. Dekimasuよ! 01:36, 11 November 2014 (UTC))

• Support for a move to Chipping Barnet (as below). There is no reason Barnet cannot become a disambig page. Dudley Miles (talk) 10:11, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Discussion

Any additional comments:

• There seems to be a majority for re-naming, but not consensus for one name. I originally proposed High Barnet, but on reflection I think Chipping Barnet would be better, as both the historic name according to the Victoria County History at [1] and the current name of the constituency. Barnet (area) would be a second choice, leaving Barnet to be the disambig. Dudley Miles (talk) 21:16, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

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