Talk:In Search of...

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Requested move 10 October 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved.

No such user (talk) 11:15, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply

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– Per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Capital letters#Titles of works: “The first and last words within a title (and within a subtitle) are capitalized regardless of their grammatical role.” 5.244.161.35 (talk) 13:34, 10 October 2022 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). 2pou (talk) 21:31, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That capitalization has been moved back and forth before; maybe it's time for a discussion of whether this should be an exception due to the "...", which indicates that some additional words are implied to be present but have been omitted. Please see this discussion of the question. I suggest to combine these two requests into a single multi-article RM. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 13:47, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@⁠BarrelProof: Queried technical move request. (IP will not receive pings). -2pou (talk) 21:41, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Weak oppose: The uppercase for "Of" looks rather strange. I think this is an exception due to the "...", which indicates that some additional words are implied to be present but have been omitted. Please see this discussion of the question, which suggests the lowercase, saying the Chicago Manual of Style, the AP Stylebook and the New York Times all basically support using lowercase in this situation. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 21:49, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: By the letter of the guideline we should capitalize of, but the ellipsis tells us that this is a truncated title. If In Search Of... looks wrong, and it does, we should take advantage of Wikipedia's encouragement to ignore the rules when they do bad things. SchreiberBike | ⌨ 22:04, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose and I would even consider tempering the MOS to The first and last words within a title are typically capitalized… — HTGS (talk) 02:07, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- The MOS already says there are some exceptions. Inserting "typically" would seem to make that part of the MOS merely descriptive rather than prescriptive. These titles can be treated as exceptions without needing to change the MOS. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 16:34, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  I don’t believe the difference between prescription and description to be all that important in this context, but yeah, what you say makes sense. — HTGS (talk) 10:41, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Requested move 7 December 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Bensci54 (talk) 01:50, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

In Search of → In Search of...
In Search Of... (Fu Manchu album) → In Search of... (Fu Manchu album)

– The first proposed renaming is a revert to a consensus RM outcome for a disambiguation page. The current title of the disambiguation page is the result of a bold move of 8 April 2023 by E-Kartoffel. It seems related to the former inclusion of an additional article that was agreed to be deleted on 23 September 2023 after a discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/In Search Of (film) (2nd nomination). All of the articles currently listed on the disambiguation page end with an ellipsis, so I think the ellipsis should also be in the title of the disambiguation page. As for the proposed lowercasing for the Fu Manchu album, the use of the ellipsis is an indication that some other words are implied to be missing. Please see the prior RM at Talk:In Search of...#Requested move 10 October 2022 and the external guidance here, which points to the Chicago Manual of Style, the AP Stylebook and the New York Times. Lowercasing would provide consistency with In Search of... (TV series) and In Search of... (N.E.R.D. album). Off-Wikipedia examples of lowercase "of" are at [1], [2], [3], [4]. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 15:00, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.