Talk:Jimmie Rodgers/GA1

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Reviewer: BennyOnTheLoose (talk · contribs) 11:52, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b ( lists ): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism ): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have suitable captions ):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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Happy to be challenged on any of my review comments. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 11:52, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note - it's a bit more difficult to get hold of some of the book sources than I expected; please give me a few days as I should be able to get hold of them early next week. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:50, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Copyvio check

• I reviewed the six matches of 20% or more found using Earwig's Copyvio Detector. No issues, Some attributed quotes, some titles, some phrases acceptable per
  WP:LIMITED
  , and what looks like a copy from Wikipedia to ghanafuo.com.

Images and audio

• Images all have a PD rationale. They are relevant, positioning and captions are fine. Optionally, ALT text could be added (
  MOS:ALT
  )
• I think the caption "A song by the Kipsigis people about Jimmie Rodgers, who learned of him through recordings brought by Christian missionaries, recorded by ethnomusicologist Hugh Tracey" could be better phrased.
• I'm not sure that the rationales for "File:Waiting for a Train by Jimmie Rodgers.ogg" and 2File:T.B.Blues - Jimmie Rodgers.ogg" are strong enough to justify them being used. Happy to discuss. The other audio rationales all seem suitable for fair use.

Alts added, let me know if something is wrong/missing. Caption shortened, people can go to the standalone article of "Chimirocha" to find out.

About the rationales for "Waiting for a Train" and "T.B. Blues", I think there's enough relevance to the inclusion of both in the article. I expanded the rationale of "Waiting for a Train" to explain that the song became a success during the Great Depression. It was his best-selling record: we got the sales figure of the time, as well as its relevance during that period. As for "T.B. Blues", we discuss at length Rodgers suffering of the disease and him asking a former inmate to help him write the song after his usual collaborator refused. It was obviously very important for Rodgers (and as one of the first songs of him I've heard, I'd say it pretty much captures the listener/reader of the article finding out that the singer actually succumbed to the disease.--GDuwenHoller! 18:13, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Seems a fair argument. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 11:06, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

• I have no concerns about the reliability or suitablility of the sources used.
• I'm not sure about "Alamhof" being listed as an author.
• Some of the page numbers are in the format "p. 91, 92." while others are in the format "p. 27-29.". Where a page rage is given, it should use a dash (p. 27-29.) rather than a hyphen (p. 233-236.). Where it's a page range, pp rather than p should be used in the reference. These aren't blockers to GA status, but you could optionally fix them.
• "author=Barker, Hugh; Taylor, Yuval" - per Template:Cite book, the author parameter should never hold the names of more than one author.

"Alamhof" replaced by an original news piece from the time. Corrections of the footnotes and sources completed.--GDuwenHoller! 18:13, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Early life

• Consider wikilinking panhandling to begging; I don't know how widely the term is understood
• Rodgers attended school irregularly during his early childhood; he did not attend at all for a time following the death of his mother. After the family moved to Lowndes County, Mississippi, he and his brother went to school in the town of Artesia. Rodgers and his brother often arrived late to or missed school altogether as a result of road conditions and other distractions. Rodgers often missed classes during the winter due to his tendency to suffer from respiratory issues. is missing a citation.
• Spot check on When his father returned to work for the railroad, Rodgers again rarely went to school. - no issues.
• I think NO&NE should be in parentheses after "New Orleans and Northeastern Railroad" but as the abbreviation appears so close to the full name, consider this optional.

Citation added, other points also assessed.--GDuwenHoller! 18:56, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Music career

• The disease affected his ability to perform his job - didn't he have multiple jobs? So maybe reword. (Using "work" instead of "job"?)
• In Washington, D.C., Rodgers worked a stint for the station WTTF with the backing of the "Jimmie Rodgers' Southeners", while he continued to make records for the label. He used the band for his recordings of "In the Jailhouse Now" and "The Brakeman's Blues", among others. is missing a citation
• Spot check on His doctor ordered an x-ray—an uncommon procedure at the time—and determined that the singer was suffering from pulmonary tuberculosis, which affected his lungs. Cavities were found on the top of both lungs, while the bottom of his right lung showed pleurisy. - no issues.
• Spot check on he collapsed during a show in Lufkin and was placed in an oxygen tent. - no issues.

Citation added. Anything to comment on the line about the X-rays?--GDuwenHoller! 18:56, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ooops. Added "no issues". BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 11:06, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Style and image

• Spot check on Rodgers never pointed to any specific reason as to why he decided to learn to play the guitar. - isn't it more that we don't have a record about him saying why, not that he didn't? Could probably be rephrased. (I'm using the 1979 edition of Porterfield, so let me know if there's suitable supporting text for the current article text in the later edition.)
• spot check on Instead of the 3/4 time present in traditional alpine folk music, Rodgers' yodel featured a 4/4 time - source has "Tyrolean music, where 3/4 time is quite common"; to me "3/4 time present" is a stronger statement

I'll just leave it to his earliest memory of playing the guitar. Porterfield argues that not much is known about his formative process rather than his family being "musical" and that memory he recalled. I'd like to cite the original interview, but I couldn't find it yet. Other than that, I agree that "present" is fitting regarding the use of the time in tyrolean music.--GDuwenHoller! 18:56, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Personal life

• Looks good.

Legacy

• There are duplicate links for Ernest Tubb and Hank Snow. (see
  WP:DUPLINKS
  )
• Spot check on Rodgers is considered the Father of Country Music both sources cited use the phrase, and two Halls of Fame seems suitable support. (I see the phrase in other relaible sources too.)
• Spot check on his "undying" influence on multiple generations of musicians - source mentions "inspired countless other musicians" and "Thousands of country musicians were inspired..." but doesn't explicity state this was across multiple generations.
• Rolling Stone staff (2017). "100 Greatest Country Artists of All Time". Rolling Stone. Retrieved March 6, 2023 the section on Rodgers was written by Jonathan Bernstein; optionally you could cite it as something like "100 Greatest Country Artists of All Time: 11: Jimmie Rodgers" and credit Bernstein.
• Allmusic has described - I think this comment should be attribute to the author, e.g. "David Vinopal of Allmusic described"
• Spot check on influenced by Rodgers... Bob Dylan - no issues.
• Betts, Stephen (September 15, 2019). "Flashback: Jimmie Rodgers Becomes the 'Father of Country Music'". Retrieved March 6, 2023. - missing the publication title.
• The tribe sang about Rodgers in a traditional song recorded in 1950 by ethnomusicologist Hugh Tracey who later named it "Chemirocha III". - "Chemirocha II" is mentuoned in a caption in the source, but isnt the song just called "Chemirocha"? Optionally, you could add where that name derives from - it wasn't obvious to me.

About his "undying" influence, the quote reads "Tuberculosis claimed his life at the age of 35 in a New York City hotel room. But his influence proved undying." Musicians from multiple generations are named on the entry ("Tubb, Snow, Lefty Frizzell and Merle Haggard recorded tribute albums to Rodgers"). Other than that, the Bob Dylan tribute included "Bono, Willie Nelson, Jerry Garcia and Van Morrison". That, and referencing "thousands" of artists should be enough in my view.--GDuwenHoller! 18:56, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox and lead

• I like the lead; it's a good summary and well-written.
• he is best known for his distinctive rhythmic yodeling - likely true, but I'm not sure it's cited in the body text. (Maybe I just need to be pointed to the support.)
• Infobox: is "country music pioneer" really an occupation?
• infobox: intruments: there's enough in the article body to support "banjo" - but not "tenor banjo".

Didn't even look at the infobox (how embarrassing!), corrections made. I'd just leave it as "known for his distinctive yodeling" on the lead.--GDuwenHoller! 18:56, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

General

• Great work, {{u|User:GDuwen}. I enjoyed reading this article. Given that it's over 5,000 words long, I have very little to comment on, although I reserve the right to spot things later. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 23:36, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@BennyOnTheLoose: Hello Benny and thanks for taking up my nomination. Is it possible to extend the hold a bit? I'm at the time on vacation and heading back home on the 21st of August. Until then, I don't have the proper resources to edit (as in a keyboard and the physical books that I've used). GDuwenHoller! 10:20, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@GDuwen: That's fine. Enjoy your vacation and I look forward to hearing from you again some time after the 21st. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 12:00, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@BennyOnTheLoose: Your patience is much appreciated. I just came back and I'll start working this week.--GDuwenHoller! 20:04, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@BennyOnTheLoose: All done. Once again, thanks for your patience. I wanted to get to it last week but we had a heatwave that kept me away from Wikipedia!--GDuwenHoller! 18:59, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm satisfied that the article meets the GA criteria, so I'm passing it. Thanks, GDuwen. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 11:06, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]