Talk:Kalinin

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The result of the move request was: No consensus. There have been concerns of such a big group nominations during the discussion. Its better to open seperate discussions for each of them as suggested during the discussion. Yashovardhan (talk) 04:27, 23 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Kalinin → Kalinin (disambiguation)
• Sverdlov → Sverdlov (disambiguation)
• Kirov → Kirov (disambiguation)
• Molotov → Molotov (disambiguation)
• Zhdanov → Zhdanov (disambiguation)
• Chernenko → Chernenko (surname)

• Support
  Zhdanov, Ukraine (now Mariupol) are challengers to primary status of the unadorned surname. I urge other readers to consider each case on its own merits as well. I agree with the nominator that the personages in question should receive top billing on the main DAB page (maybe like this?). —  AjaxSmack  16:38, 15 April 2017 (UTC)[reply
  ]

Although all the localities, ships, planes, etc are named after the individuals in question (Kalinin even has an asteroid,

Molotovsk, Zhdanovsk, Zhdanivka, etc, all refer to the individuals in question. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 20:28, 16 April 2017 (UTC)[reply

]

• Oppose all these mononyms are not in the Lenin class. And Kirov on its own usually means the ballet company (I have reverted the change to the dab page lead). In ictu oculi (talk) 09:46, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose a group nomination like this as they can get messy quickly. That being said, I'd be fine with moving the two that AjaxSmack singled out. From my research, I agree that they're the primary topic. -- Tavix ^(talk) 13:24, 20 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Announcement of this discussion appears at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Soviet Union and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Russia. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 04:21, 21 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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No consensus for the proposed move at this time, after extended time for discussion. BD2412 T 14:48, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Kalinin → Kalinin (disambiguation) – Per above discussion from over two-and-a-half years ago. The names proposed in that discussion [except for Kirov and Molotov] have been moved since then. The argument is basically the same — as with all the other names listed above — every single entry at the Kalinin disambiguation page [except for Kalinin (surname)] refers to Mikhail Kalinin, but his name [same as with Kirov and Molotov at the time of the original nomination] does not even appear at the dab page and is listed in the middle of the pack at Kalinin (surname), thus making the key fact (that every entry at the dab page is named solely after him) unknown and entirely marginalized to English Wikipedia users not versed in Soviet history. — Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 18:09, 1 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 18:24, 1 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose nothing changed, Kalinin is not a well known mononym. In ictu oculi (talk) 20:22, 1 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Obviously well known to the extent that, as Soviet head of state, every single entry at the Kalinin (disambiguation) page was named after his surname used as a mononym. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 23:14, 1 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Well known in Russia no doubt. But not in the general readership. I read Tolstoy and had never heard of him. In ictu oculi (talk) 17:59, 3 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Such an outlook amounts to

Putin

.

However, it bears repeating that Kalinin has no competition — other than Kalinin (surname), it is all Mikhail Kalinin. Furthermore, as indicated in the previous discussion at Talk:Kalinin#Requested move 15 April 2017, all the entries at related disambiguation pages — Kaliningrad (disambiguation), Kaliningradsky, Kaliningradskaya, Kaliningradskoye, Kalininsk, Kalininsky, Kalininskaya or Kalininskoye are named entirely after him. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 04:53, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose.
  WP:INCDAB: it only has three linked list entries, which is as many as for Armenian places at the DAB. 94.21.10.204 (talk) 16:56, 3 January 2020 (UTC)[reply
  ]
  • Tver was formerly named Kalinin after Mikhail Kalinin. That seems to support the point made by Roman Spinner. And the fact that it currently gets a lot of views under a different name tells us little or nothing about whether there is or is not a primary topic for Kalinin. older ≠ wiser 17:11, 3 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Support. If you haven't heard of this Kalinin, you've never heard of any Kalinin. Srnec (talk) 05:44, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak oppose for now (pending a
  WP:NAMELIST seems enough for those that do search using only the last name. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:39, 7 January 2020 (UTC)[reply
  ]
• Support. Clear primary topic by long-term significance, and per nom.  — Amakuru (talk) 23:49, 8 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose, Tver. The nomination also mentioned that "the names proposed in that discussion [except for Kirov and Molotov] have been moved since then" in support of the idea that this is uncontroversial, but this could be rephrased to note that half of them haven't been moved. Dekimasuよ! 08:58, 17 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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