Talk:Lara Croft/Archive 1

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We currently have no info on Judith or a page linking to her. I'd like to know more about her as she was my favourite Lara voice actress. Magic Pickle 12:59, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

I believe Lara's age has also been dropped. It used to be February 14, 1968 - but ever since the release of the Angel of Darkness it's been listed as 2/14/19?? both on the original website and in the strategy guides for AOD and the Prophecy. I believe the Legend guide also mentions something along the lines of never asking a woman her age.

Lara Croft's past has been changed continuously. In the first Tomb Raider manual it says her parents disowned her. Genjix 13:51, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Now that Crystal Dynamics has rebooted Lady Croft the page has deleted some deprecated biography. Shouldn’t both continuties be covered? – Bossk

I think we should mention in some section the names of the real-life actresses and models that impersonated Lara before Jolie, like Rhona Mitra. Pictureuploader 01:55, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Why is is necessary to have summaries of all the games when they already have summaries on the

It's been believed for a while that Lara Croft's outfit was ripped (or inspired) from the outfit worn by the female agent (played by Chingmy Yau) in the movie City Hunter, starring Jackie Chan. I believe this deserves a mention in this article, despite it never having been acknowledged by the creators of Lara Croft (as is my understanding). Anyone else feel likewise?

You just answered your own question there buddy - "it never [has] been acknowledged by the creators of Lara Croft" - therefore, there is no substantial proof other than coincidence.143.92.1.40 (talk) 05:52, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

There is apparently a real life lady that Lara Croft is based on. Help? Chris 00:42, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

really? I don't think so though. Didn't the creator just make her a female version of Indiana Jones?

According to the AOD companion, inspirations for Lara include Tank Girl and Neneh Cherry.

If you bought the tombraider dvd you will see, in the bonus features, that lara was actually suppose to look a bit like Indiana Jones, which would later be Von Croy, but because of the possibility of being sued they decided that it would be more beneficial to make the lead character into a woman - thus lara was born.

..and yes, Lara was based a bit on Tank girl. Not sure about Neneh though.. - MoJoe

Shouldnt we put an ols picture beside the new one to compare them ?

There is a picture in the article titled "Lara's evolution through the Tomb Raider series" that does just that. Shrensh 07:49, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't know if I'm the only one, but I've been pondering about what this sentence in the article means: Despite some initial reservations, Jolie expressed interest in making a third Tomb Raider movie, cancelled those plans after Cradle of Life failed at the box office. Anyone want to clarify?

Hey, folks! This is just reality checking in to say WHY DO WE KNOW LARA'S BRA SIZE? Where did we learn this information? Was it in the instruction manual? When was this "redesign"? And if this "redesign" is so she becomes more respectable, doesn't this peice of information degrade her reputation?-Shadow the Edge-hog 02:21, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah. Where did you guys find out this piece of info and why does it even matter to begin with? This isn't even useful at all and it just ruins the character and the redesign she took in TRL. We all know Lara' legendary huge ta-tas, but it isn't important for an encyclopedic site such as Wikipedia. Vgamer101 02:00, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually, it is possible some sicko got their hands on a 3D model of Lara and used the height specifics to make a scale. From there it was measure and submit. Besides, as you said, it doesn't help the liability of Wikipedia. It was probably submitted when Lara was well known for her "ta-tas." But still, it doesn't help her reputation from the "re-design." We might want to delete it, but that would be killing knowledge. That may be considered a bad thing as far as wikipedia is concerned. By the way, has anyone noticed that someone changed the original size from 34C to 34D? -Shadow the Edge-hog 19:43, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Good point. As for it's "killing knowledge", I doubt it. There's currently an entry in the discussion section for the Half-Life character Gordon Freeman over the possibility of an infobox, that hasn't been input yet, that includes a category of all sorts of info about him including, and I kid you not, a category to determine his penis size. I highly doubt that itself would be relevant to anything useful about the character, just as I doubt Lara's breast size is all that appropriate and relevant to her. Vgamer101 04:44, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Honestly, I agree with you on relevance, but breasts traditionally show a majority more than (ahem) and are also more significant as far as appearances. Also, we might get a note on our site from Dr Debug about deletion, coupled with a page revert. By the way, who could get Gordon Freeman's (ahem) size? Also, completely off topic as it is, consider writing a brief (yet still saying something about you) user page. -Shadow the Edge-hog 22:29, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Scratch what I said about the character Gordon. It's been removed. So I retract my previous statements. I would have removed that stuff myself but I was stupid enough not to read the instructions on how to remove it. My fault. Anyways, you're right about the greater signifance of her chest size as far as appearance. I was stupid enough not see that. In regards to character appearance, I agree with you. Vgamer101 01:20, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

That's that, enough said, why don't we take this to a poll? I sit on the fence: I see this as morals vs. encyclopedia standards. As much as this tidbit is wrong, it's bad manners to delete it. After all, one man's thoughts may not agree with society. We need a set time limit. A week is short. Month is still not enough. I say same time next year. Enough time for a fairly large, random sample. Put somethin' on both your page and talk page; we need as many votes as possible. Getting down to business, I expect your next edit to include (but is not limited to) your position on this issue plus your opinion on time alowed for votes. This is taking too long. Article talk pages are for discussing possible changes. Also, I will not be voting.-Shadow the Edge-hog 04:13, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

I added more to my page and an extra topic to my talk page about a poll. If you have anything to say or ask put it it my talk page. But to get back on topic and include my position on the subject, I just thought of a new problem. Even if the character of Lara Croft's chest is important to her character and how she looks, it would be hard to determine what the size even is. I'm saying this because since 1996, when the TR series first started, her physical appearance has drastically changed, including the size and shape of her ta-tas. Believe me, I seen this hands on. Over time the attitudes towards character design and advancements in graphical technology have rendered coming upon one definitive size rather impossible. I garuantee they were a bit bigger in Tomb Raider: The Last Revelation than they were in Tomb Raider 1, 2, or 3. Or at least I think so. Same goes for their shrinking with more recent entries to the series. Her somehow magically inflating and shrinking chest would probably force this article to have multiple number sizes for each game, if we were to include it here. Vgamer101 17:59, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I was originally wanted the poll to be concerning the relevancy of her bra size. Just her "magic chest" aside, I was going to use the results to decide whether or not the article should feature her bra size. You have a point with the game chest change, but that wasn't really the starting purpose of this section. We could use your observations and use the rest of this talk page section on that topic, but that's not our main concern. Or we could just throw the poll idea out the window and start with the differing breast/bra sizes in the different games. Oh! I really don't think we need any special template. All we really need is to say something along the lines of: Welcome ladies and gentlemen! This on-going talk page section has come to the decision that a poll will be taken on the fate of Lara's bra size. Please vote in the following gap with (so-and-so) colons (:) before your vote. Please state your opinion and a few reasons for your vote. Everyone who sees this should vote. We need all the votes we can get. (end example) The "magic chest" idea presents another reason to vote to keep the bra tid-bit. More information. We still need a time limit too (if we'll still poll, that is). Besides, I'm sick of adding more colons. Keep the current level of 7. Also, this is a little perverted that a small fact(more like fiction) has blown to this level out of proportion. I say we drop it, walk our seperate ways, and noone's the wiser. Also, if anyone picks up our legacy, I won't help. Cool? -Shadow the Edge-hog 00:08, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

It's cool. And yes it is a little perverted to have it this long. I was just trying to point something out. Yeah, I sure think that someone could easily pick up on our notoriety for this. Let's stop it here. Vgamer101 00:54, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Aside from the several other problems with this cruft of croft, sections of her biography appear to be based on this:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=83405095

Or maybe the myspace came after. Someone should look into it. Balonkey 06:29, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

I just have two real concerns I would like to point out with this article (except for it being quite poorly written)

Why are her body's measurements even mentioned? This doesn't really contribute anything to the article. She's a digital character made up from polygons, and no other video game character has such trivial things mentioned.

Why is not her being overly sexualised mentioned in the controversy section? That seems to have been the most controversial thing about her - and possibly the reason why her measurements was added in the first place. I had never even heard of the people complaining at her character being cold-blooded. Sam Fisher and such appear way more cold-blooded to me (but perhaps it's not 'lady-like' enough for some americans).

85.225.25.163 22:39, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Why are things mentioned--because some people want to know. That's more than enough reason, right there.

Last Thylacine 11:32, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

"Some have still derided her form as being unrealistic (especially in regard to her BMI)" there's no source for this, and personally I have never seen any complaints of the sort about her redesign, which was made to be more proportionally accurate, and massively toned down certain parts of her body.172.212.111.208 (talk) 21:54, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Seems Lara is listed as a fictional femmes fatales, but I completely fail to see how she qualifies as one. Does anyone know if there is something in her history that would support the claim? 193.64.250.106 10:09, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

There seems to be some confusion over the word's literal and figurative meaning. Whilst Lara could be described as a 'deadly woman', she does not possess any of the general characteristics associated with a "femme fatale" - a seductive, manipulative and dangerous woman. 80.47.178.255 17:04, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

That is Lara all right. Anubiz 18:18, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

How?Super Badnik 21:22, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

It is said the original name for Lara Croft was to be Laura Cruz. It was later changed to Lara Croft due to the fact that an American accent would change the pronunciation of "Laura" to "Lara", and that "Cruz" didn't sound British. Because of the similar pronunciations, she is sometimes referred to as Laura.

this passage from the main article needs to be revised, but I'm a newbie and don't want to ruin it, I suggest that the weasel words be removed and that it cites the Tomb Raider main page as a source. —The preceding

I'm not sure about the original biography before the retcon, but the retcon section is copied (almost directly) from the biography in the strategy guide of the game and is a copyright violation. I might try and clean it soon, but just pointing this out so maybe someone else can clean it up too. Phydend 00:53, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

 Done ColdFusion650 01:46, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Firstly, all of Lara's biography has been written in present tense when it happened in the past, these events not even present in any of the games. When the article talks about her current liofe however, it should indeed stay in present tense. Secondly, Lara's mother was never called 'Amelia', nor her father 'Richard', they were only ever mentioned as Lord and Lady Henshingly-Croft. Thirdly, there is insufficient evidence supporting the statement, " Lara thrives in individual barefoot sporting activities such as competitive swimming, platform and springboard diving, gymnastics and martial arts." No official biographies mention this.

8:52, Monday 19th July 2007

I think that it would be interesting to make a note of why they're inflated, it's because a designer accidentally adjusted the model's chest to 150% its intended size. This would be interesting information, but I'm not sure where it would belong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shroopliss (talk • contribs) 22:21, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Presuming you can cite this with a reliable source, then it could be included in the article. Somehow it seems slightly unrealistic to me... ~~ [Jam]^[talk] 22:34, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

The main Tomb raider article includes this story, but the link it cites[1] does not include all of the details described (in fact, he might well only be joking in that interview.) 72.1.202.145 (talk) 00:57, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

The Face's interview with Gard always struck me as being a bit tongue-in-cheek. I don't know if it should be considered a reliable source. In the TRA bonus DVD he says she was intentionally designed with exaggerated proportions simply because realism was impossible at the time. This article says her physical attributes were exaggerated "to make it very clear in game that she was a woman." I don't know if any of that is worth adding to the article.~ Dusk Knight 05:08, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

I see the article says that Lara uses Springfield Armory 1911's in anniversary. There is no proof of this in the game or any related media. I think it should be changed to simply "Stainless or Nickle plated 1911's" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.9.124.63 (talk) 04:14, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Two very big things: first, given the context of the article, I re-rated it C-class, and after looking at it again bumped it down to start. There is no real 'structure' to this article and the real citable information is strewn across the article rather poorly...and you guys find it more imperative to discuss whether her cup size being known is bad or good? Seriously, priorities?

Also, hands down the image selected is conveying next to nothing to a casual reader: the requirement is an iconic image, not the absolutely most recent one. I can't see how a mugshot of a dirty Lara Croft is appropriate to convey immediately to a viewer her appearance.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 23:22, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I changed the lead image to a more iconic (or at least more recognisable) one. Can you offer any suggestions or examples for improving the structure?~ Dusk Knight 05:57, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

For starters, the Controversy section is mostly original research; first off it's already well established she's a sex symbol, and there's not a whole lot of need to go "some fans" and so forth. Discuss the character as one in a subsection of cultural impact, how it's been regarded, and her designer's reaction to the status. That's important. This stuff about her shooting animals and whatnot isn't needed either: that's a common issue between fans and a character, and most of the "research" to support the rest of that is just original research on vague in-game bits.

The article needs to be organized from a neutral, all sides approach. Look at Master Chief (Halo) for example for how an article should be set up. It's a featured article for a reason; Lara Croft should be able to pull off a character article like that and far beyond it.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 01:51, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

I have added a new image. Taking in the discussion higher up on the page, i think Lara's whole body is more reconisble than just her face and her anniversary blue sweater.Super Badnik 19:07, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

I thought I'd throw in my views on images here, just as a passing observation. The new lead image is good, I'd say its much better than the previous one. However, I think that the other images in the thread could be overhauled. Looking at this from the broader perspective, there's more to Lara Croft now than just the video game character. Firstly: there's also the models who advertise for the game. Now, there's already one of these images with Katie Price as the model, but its frankly rather rubbish. To be honest, I'd much rather have a high quality non-free image of a Lara model, than a low quality free one. At the very least, crop the free image so it excludes the other models, as they just confuse the issue even with a caption. The other element is the films. Angelia Jolie's portray of the character in reasonably high-profile and high budget films is worthy of note to the character. Granted, the current level of coverage for Jolie's portayal in this article is really underdeveloped, but an image of Jolie as the character wouldn't go amiss for when an accomodating structure is implemented. -- Sabre (talk) 23:57, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

I agree, i thtink we should have something more on the character's appearances and portrayal in films. Maybe a movie section, as we do have quite a bit of info on Jolie's portrayal as Lara from extra's on the video/DVD and other sources. Also i've replaced the image in the Combat section to one of artwork of Lara during the 90s, as there is alot of artwork of Lara in this style and is very iconic.Super Badnik 18:30, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

I think it's good that we have both Core and Crystal artwork. I've added a picture of Alison Carroll to the models section and a small gallery of past models. There are too many good free pictures of Alison to rationalise a fair-use image. I've also been working on an "Appearances" section that should accommodate an Angelina Jolie picture better than the current "Actor Portrayal" section. Once I've done some more work, I'll post a link here for feedback since it's a significant change.~ Dusk Knight 06:15, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Another thing, shouldn't the "Actor Portrayal" section be named simply "Portrayal" or something along those lines, as it includes Lara Models.Super Badnik 16:49, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't think the Actor Portrayal is needed now since all the major actors are listed in the infobox and mentioned in the Appearances section. By the way, I hope you don't mind that I merged the Appearances section I was working on into the one you created recently. I had been working on that for a while, so I didn't want it to go to waste.~ Dusk Knight 05:19, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Good job Dusk Knight. Isn't there a planed TR3 movie? Maybe that was just speculation, but i read it somewhere else here. I don't think we need to seperate the CORE developed games and CD ones as they both fall under Video Game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Super Badnik (talk • contribs) 07:59, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Yeah, the CD/Core subsections are not necessary. There's a news channel for a third TR movie on tombraiderchronicles.com. But since we won't learn anything about Lara's role until it is much further along, it's more relevant to the

Tomb Raider (series) article for now. I guess we could briefly mention that Angelina Jolie has expressed an interest in returning to the role.~ Dusk Knight

02:16, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Im looking at the controversy section and im not sure the bit about how Lara faces wildlife and animals should be there. I've never really seen anything critising the the wild animals Lara faces and i have never seen anything complaining of the animal enemies in Underworld as it is implied in the controversy section. I really don't think this information is very correct, if it is, i cannot see that it is a big enough issue.Super Badnik 20:50, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

I haven't seen anything criticizing this either. It think that Lara regretting killing animals in TRL and the tranquilizer in TRU were simply design decisions to reflect her character. There's no indication that these were in response to any real controversy.~ Dusk Knight 01:36, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Yeah i think this is what this is based around, the pity she shows in TRL and the Tranq Gun. I will remove these parts, however, if anyone can find anything to back these comments up (That Lara's fights with wild animals has become controversial) then i have no problem with it being undone. If anyone does find anything that critticizes the animal enemies, then do write about it if it's a valid source.Super Badnik 14:27, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

To the person who keeps the changing the image caption. It is far more apporiate to say what the image is showing, in this case Lara Croft, protagnoist of the Tomb Raider series. And the image isn't a new design, Lara appeared like this in the first game. I think when you keep refering to this "new design" you men the difference in artwork (more up to date and realastic) that has appeared since AoD. That kinda is just the type of render, not a new design.Super Badnik 16:32, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Maybe this article should be re-rated now. I do not have much experience when it comes to rating articles but i think it may be better than start class now. We now have much more information (that we really needed) e.g. Appearances section. I also added a merchandise section a long while back.Super Badnik 18:52, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

I think the article is approaching

B-class if it's not already there. I'm not too experienced with ratings either so I'm not sure. I do know that the original B rating was very incorrect. At least by the current standard. We could post a request at Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Assessment/Requests.~ Dusk Knight

05:38, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Maybe we should see if we can get "C" first and then see if it matches up to a "B".Super Badnik 15:45, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Firt of all, if lara was born 2/14/68, wouldn't that mean she's in her late thirties? But I have been hearing in AOD, that she was 35, so that would mean she is her late fourties? I don't get it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SilverRoseSweetie (talk • contribs) 00:49, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Info about Lara's age was removed from this article recently and I wasn't sure where to add it back. I'm also lacking a proper citation for the AoD artbook... Anyway, these are the three official statements about her age that I'm aware of.

• The game (TRC) also reveals Lara's birthyear of 1968 on a memorial statue shown in one of the FMVs.
• The Angel of Darkness art book [?] appears to retcon Lara's birth year from the previous game by listing her birthday as February 14, 19##. The last two digits of the year are scratched out to the point of being unreadable with the phrase "It's rude to ask a lady her age" written beside them.
• When asked about Lara's age, Eric Lindstrom, Creative Director for Tomb Raider: Underworld stated in a BBC interview that Lara is "6 months younger than James Bond", she "transcends time [and] space", and "has her own world"^[1]

I guess age could be added to the "Appearances" section since most of the backstory info is there.~ Dusk Knight 05:05, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Her age was recently added with no source. I think that, given all the different ages floating around, a section (with accurate references!) within the "Appearances" section might be most appropriate. ~~ [ジャム]^[talk] 09:01, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

I really don't think her age matters. It is obvisouly disputed and i think the 19## and a few comments from Lindstrom show that Lara dosen't really have an exact age and dosen't have a D.O.B. as she probably isn't supposed to age in the TR universe.Super Badnik 11:44, 30 November 2008 (UTC)lara croft is 40 years old she turned 40 this year yes it's true she looks so young like a 23 year old but she's actually old

Here's the blow-by-blow account of the article. Lead:

• "In 2008, she was named second on Gamefly's List of Hottest Chicks Ever." - Not especially fond of picking out one of many many different such lists. This could be replaced with a more general statement, but I'm not sure what.
• "In late 2008, "MSN" held a poll of who was the most Iconic video game character, in which Lara came 3rd but actually drew with Mario and Sonic the Hedgehog" - Ditto, plus the fact that A) the polls seem to be ongoing a la Hot or Not, and B) according to this she's now in fourth place. Bad choice of source here.

Development:

• "Lara was originally going to be very militaristic and cold-blooded." This sentence feels awkward because we haven't discussed Lara's in-use personality at all outside of the lead. I recommend moving the section further down.
• "One factor that influenced Gard to use a female character was..." - several sentences divide this and the later "Toby Gard's idea to make the character a female was also..."; the two should be together. Don't be afraid to split up the information from a single source to put like ideas together.

Personality:

• I'd prefer more citations here, as there seems to be some interpretation of Lara's behavior as a player-character. Problematic sentences:
  • "rarely showing any sign of fear in very dangerous or lethal situations."
  • "In the earlier games she is portrayed as being more serious" -- more borderline case
  • "although Lara does kill them in self-defence" -- feels like a justification rather than anything to do with her character.
• Game names should be in italics.

Costume and Equipment:

• I find it odd an equal amount of attention is given to Lara's clothes as it is her personality. I'm not sure a game-by-game account is warranted here.

Video games: pretty good overall here

• Discussing Angel of Darkness:"the segment explaining her survival was cut from the final game." ideally should be cited, imo.
• Keeley Hawes quote belongs in the personality section, because that's what the quote talks about.
• "From 2006 forward, handheld releases follow the same stories as the home console and PC games." - I would name the games specifically, for completeness' sake (and if a later one doesn't follow this trend the article doesn't need to be changed).

Other Media:

• "brought to life" - I don't care for the phrase, especially since non-native English speakers may not be familiar with it.
• " The film follows Lara's race against time and Manfred Powell, the main antagonist, as well as his mercenaries to find the Triangle of Light." - This sentence doesn't parse well. I'd cut out the "as well as his mercenaries" part for brevity's sake.
• "before it falls into the hands of main antagonist." - missing a "the" here. Also, the "main antagonist" is never named, curiously enough.

Models: No complaints aside from a tendency towards WP:Proseline.

Controversy: Surprisingly good.

• "However, in Tomb Raider: Legend Lara expresses sadness" - Again, this seems like justification and doesn't really address the controversy. Could probably cut this sentence out entirely.

Reception and Cultural Impact:

• The MSN poll is a bad source, for reasons I've covered above
• "The website Education City parodies Lara Croft in a series of games starring "Klara Loft"." - uh, what? Why this one out of countless other parodies?

In general:

• I wouldn't cite to screenshots, especially those hosted on a wiki. It creates the false impression that the statement being "cited" is more important than it actually is. For instance, "Supernatural beings" in the lead doesn't need to be cited because the plot summary later refers to them.
• Fix up your references with proper {{
  cite
  }} tags, and condense multiple references to one page using the <ref name> tag.
• Link as closely to what you want to talk about as possible. this link which I noticed as labeled as "images.google.co.uk" should link directly to that specific entry instead.
• What's up with Category:Top Cow characters?
• The prose overall needs to be edited for coherence. Right now it's very obvious a half-dozen or more different writers worked on this, without much to tie sentences, paragraphs, and sections together.
• Make sure your UK English is consistent: I see one instance of the US "Artifact" and there are probably other words I'm not aware of.

Conclusion: The development and characteristics sections are in pretty bad shape, but the later sections make up for it. References throughout the article, though quite a few seem frivolous. Images all seem to be in proper shape. It's messy but substantial, very C-class material. Nifboy (talk) 01:57, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

It feel that the section is too long. I think just a mention of Lara's trademark pistols, a mention she has other firearms that vary in each game, mention she uses a grapple hook and maybe her binoculars. At the moment i feel it's a bit long for a somewhat minor factor and why does Lara's handguns need to be compared with Indiana Jones' Whip?Super Badnik 11:41, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

The reference notes ([1],[2],[3], etc.) won't work if you click on them. The Collapsible table with references from the References section must be opened/shown to make the reference notes of the article to work. I made it collapsible but I do want it to remain like this. Does anyone knows the solution? --TudorTulok (talk) 13:42, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Collapsible tables aren't exactly discouraged - they just aren't common. See

WP:CITE#Collapsible tables for details. I think that while it is an unusual format (I'm going to rename the table to just References), it is a good idea because of the number of sources. ~~ [ジャム]^[t - c

] 18:12, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Note: I've moved the previous editnotice request to Template talk:Editnotices/Lara Croft, since that's where article space editnotices are living now. Please rerequest there once you're ready. --Amalthea 14:59, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

I think the edit notice is a good idea. Many of the spelling "corrections" are from well meaning anonymous IPs who probably don't think to look for such things at the talk page first.~ Dusk Knight 19:24, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

I also agree that this would be a good idea. I concur with Dark Night that many of the anon IPs that edit the page are probably doing so in good faith, assuming the article is in American English. A polite notice to inform them this is not the case, and politely asking them not to change the spellings unless they are actually incorrect, might deter them from accidentally switching them to American English. ~~ [ジャム]^[t - c] 21:32, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

I also like this idea. How would one go about requesting such a feature? Do you have to contact an administrator? Or can a normal user do it themselves?

tralle

11:16, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

 Done, seeing that you all agree, and looking at the amount of time spent changing and reverting the language. Cheers, Amalthea 11:32, 21 April 2009 (UTC)