Talk:Mary Chapin Carpenter/GA1

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Reviewer: BennyOnTheLoose (talk · contribs) 10:54, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (

   lists

   ):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (

   reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism

   ):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Happy to discuss, or be challenged on, any of my review comments. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 10:54, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Copyvio check

• I reviewed the top matches found using Earwig's Copyvio Detector. There is one very large match which I'm satisfied is a reverse-copy. 52.5% match with AllMusic is nearly all titles and attributed quotes, with a couple of phrases acceptable per
  WP:LIMITED
  . 32.4% match with EW is titles and attributed quotes. Same for the two 23.1% matches with AllMusic album pages. No issues with the other three matches of 20% or more either.
• No problematic close paraphrasing identified in the sources I reviewed.

Images

• All images are CC; relevant to the article; with suitable captions. Positioning seems fine.
• Optionally, ALT ext could be added (
  MOS:ALT
  )

Biography

• Would this be better titled something like "Early life"?
• Some of the text structure is a bit similar to the AllMusic source, but I think it is acceptable per
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• Jennings suggesting that she pursue a musical career full-time - I dont see this explicitly in the cited source.

Musical career

• Spot check on The label hyphenated her first name as "Mary-Chapin" to indicate that it was a compound given name and lessen the possibility of her being referred to as just Mary. - no issues
• David Browne (journalist) could be wikilinked
• Spot check on it became her only one to reach number one on the Billboard Top Country Albums charts - no issues
• The Atlanta Constitution (now The Atlanta Journal-Constitution) - maybe just "The Atlanta Constitution", with the wikilink?
• hired a new manager named Ron Fierstein - I'd reword to something along the lines "hired a new manager, Ron Fierstein" or "hired Ron Fierstein as her new manager"
• Spot check on she wanted to focus on making an album that she enjoyed, instead of attempting to find songs which would be successful at radio - no issues
• Spot check on she was disappointed by the lack of radio play - no issues
• Thom Jurek can be just "Jurek" after the first mention.
• John Jennings can be just "Jennings" after the first mention.
• Shawn Colvin can be juut "Colvin" after the first mention.
• Her tours in this timespan have included... - delete "have"?

Collaborations and other works

• Carpenter has made a myriad of appearances on collaborative albums. - "Myriad" is probably overstating it a bit (refers to 10,000 or a really big number)
• Colvin is wikilinked here but is mentioned earlier.
• This rendition was a charted single for both artists - seems an unusual phrasing to me, but I'm happy to accept it.

Musical style

• David Browne can be just "Browne" after the first mention.
• deserved[...]breakthrough - I usually see this in articles as "deserved{{nbsp}}... breakthrough"

Personal life

• What's relied on to support Carpenter was single for most of her recording career.? I guess in my mind there's a difference between "not married" and "single".
• a column in The Washington Times from December 2008 to March 2009 supported by source, but as it was, jusding from the first column, only ever planned to be "every other week", there were only actually four, by the look of it. I'd suggest either giving the number or frequency in the article.
• Spot check on Ben Walsh of The Independent cited this, along with her involvements in various charities, as examples of Carpenter's liberal political leanings. - no issues.
• Spot check on In fact, a lot of country artists are Democrats. - no issues.

Awards

• I think it this should have citations as I don't think a reader should need to navigate to another page to see what sources verify info. (I know, for example, that the Grammys are listed in the body, but it isn't explicit that she has won five.)

Discography

• I'd prefer an introductory sentence here (along the lines MCC has released x studio albums and two live albums) which could presumably be sourced to AllMusic's discography page, but I don't think I can insist on that for a GA.

Sources

• All the sources appear to be reliable.
• No need to address it for GA, but ideally authors should use the last and first parameters rather than the author one.
• Some of the AllMusic references are missing the authors. (I checked a few links, all were AllMusic staff writers rather than user-generated content)
• I'd recommend using IABot to archive links, to combat
  WP:LINKROT
  .
• Range of sources is suitable for a GA, but I was slghtly surprised not to see more book sources. (e.g. Country music stars : the legends and the new breed (1992); Solo: women singer-songwriters in their own words (1998); Woman walk the line: how the women in country music changed our lives (2017) all have chapters, even if short, on Carpenter.)

Infobox and lead

General

• There are some duplicate links (
  MOS:LINKONCE
  ): [Grammy Award for] Best Country Song; Rosanne Cash; Emmylou Harris; Indigo Girls; Shawn Colvin; Kathy Mattea; Kim Richey; Emmylou Harris; Trisha Yearwood; folk music; Wynonna Judd; Entertainment Weekly; Academy of Country Music; Country Music Association
• MOS:SURNAME
  says "After the initial mention, a person should generally be referred to by surname only" but there are quite a few cases where the full name is used at subsequent mentions (e.g. in instances in the previous bullet-point)
• I made some script-suggested changes. Feel free to revert any.
• @BennyOnTheLoose: Regarding book sources, I couldn't find many that added information not already present in the article. I think this is balanced by the use of newspaper and journal sources though. I've addressed all the other issues to the best of my ability; let me know if I missed something. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 15:58, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• TenPoundHammer I somehow managed to delete part of my incomplete review earier; there are some more comments above, but still nothing major. Thanks for your work on the article. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:51, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  @BennyOnTheLoose: Think I got the other issues addressed too. Let me know if I missed anything. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 03:18, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  @TenPoundHammer: Looking good, just a couple of tweaks left.

  • There's another instance of "myriad" which could be rephrased per the point above.
  • Still some duplicate links and repeated first names. Duplicate links are Emmylou Harris (x2), Indigo Girls, Kathy Matte (x2), Trisha Yearwood (x2), folk music. Some repeated first names can be kept if they help the reader (
    WP:IAR
    )
  • The references for DOB can be removed from the infobox as the info is cited in the body. (
    WP:INFOBOXREF
    )

  I note you didn't make changes on some of the points, e.g.

  • Renaming "Biography"
  • Adding missing authors to AllMusic refs
  • Archiving links.

  but these aren't blockers to a GA. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 08:41, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  I fixed the "myriad" and went through some of the duplicate links. Think I've got all the AllMusic sources fixed too. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 15:53, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  @TenPoundHammer: I'm satisfied that the article meets the GA criteria, so I'm passing it. Thanks again. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 16:05, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]