Talk:Mirabel Madrigal/GA1

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Reviewer: Krisgabwoosh (talk · contribs) 00:57, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Salutations! I'll be the reviewer of this nomination. It is worth noting that this will be my first (non-instant fail) review. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 00:57, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Criteria

Good Article Status
- Review Criteria

A good article is—

  1. Well-written:
  2. (a) the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct; and
    (b) it complies with the
    list incorporation.[1]
  3. Verifiable with no original research:
  4. (a) it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with
    the layout style guideline
    ;
    (b) reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose);[2]
    (c) it contains no original research; and
    (d) it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism.
  5. Broad in its coverage:
  6. (a) it addresses the main aspects of the topic;[3] and
    (b) it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).
  7. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
  8. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
  9. [4]
  10. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as
    audio:
  11. [5]
(a) media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content; and
(b) media are
relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.[6]

Review

  1. Well-written:
  2. Criteria Notes Result
    (a) (prose) Prose is generally well-written and understandable to a broad audience. Minor clarifying phrases could be added in some areas. The use of certain punctuation points—specifically commas and semicolons—are either missing or unecessarily added depending on context and should be revised. Pass Pass
    (b) (MoS) Article complies with
    MOS:ELLIPSIS
    , all should be good.
    Pass Pass
  3. Verifiable with no original research:
  4. Criteria Notes Result
    (a) (references) Proper citation list is present. Pass Pass
    (b) (citations to reliable sources) All claims come with reliable inline citations. Pass Pass
    (c) (original research) No original research. Pass Pass
    (d) (copyvio and plagiarism) No notisible plagiarism. Pass Pass
  5. Broad in its coverage:
  6. Criteria Notes Result
    (a) (major aspects) All relevant aspects—design, characterization, voice, accolades, etc—are present and accounted for. Pass Pass
    (b) (focused) Article is focused and does not stray too far. Pass Pass
  7. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
  8. Notes Result
    No detectible issues of neutrality. Pass Pass
  9. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
  10. Notes Result
    No edit warring at present. Pass Pass
  11. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as
    audio
    :
  12. Criteria Notes Result
    (a) (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales) One image adequately falls under Creative Commons while the other justifies its faire use. Pass Pass
    (b) (appropriate use with suitable captions) All images are captioned. Pass Pass

Result

Result Notes
Pass Pass Congratulations! This article meets all the criteria to be listed as a Good Article.

Discussion

Lead
  • As this is a character, change "that appears" to "who appears". Krisgabwoosh (talk) 04:16, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Done
  • Specify that this is "Walt Disney Animation Studios' 60th animated feature film". Krisgabwoosh (talk) 04:16, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Partly done: The studio is an animation studio (as specified in its name) and therefore only produces animation, so "animated" would be redundant and repetitive.
      • Ah yes, that's correct. Optionally, if you're like me and like when multiple articles are consistent, you can remove the "Animated" in "Animated Pictures" and add "animated" back into "feature film". Krisgabwoosh (talk) 00:25, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • The comma before Encanto is not strictly necessary grammatically, though not wrong either. Removing it would bring the article in line with similar articles, such as Mulan or Aurora, Krisgabwoosh (talk) 04:16, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Not done: Though it would be consistent, it would also be a
      MOS:SOB
  • Prose throughout the article seems to apply the
    Oxford comma. As such, it should be added after "emotional" in "imperfect, quirky, emotional and empathetic". Krisgabwoosh (talk) 04:16, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply
    ]
    •  Done
  • Add a comma after "gift" in "desperately searching for a gift but the character's motivation". Krisgabwoosh (talk) 04:16, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Done
  • Stephanie Beatriz should be noted as the voice actress earlier in the lead. Perhaps as: "Voiced by American actress and singer Stephanie Beatriz, Mirabel is depicted ...". Krisgabwoosh (talk) 04:16, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Forgive me for asking, but why? I do not think the fact that Beatriz voices her had that much effect on her depiction...
      • Per
        Wikipedia:WAF, articles like these should keep their focus on a real world perspective. As such, I believe Beatriz's voice probably has the largest effect—aside from the animation itself—on her in-film depiction. In fact, now that I think about it, the second paragraph of the "critical response" section could be expanded to be slightly longer. At the moment, it's mostly just a list of terms describing the performance. Maybe consider expanding it to be about as long or slightly shorter than the first paragraph by making it less list-style. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 00:25, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply
        ]
  • "Critics praised the character and Beatriz's performance". Expand on what aspects they praised. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 04:16, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Done
      • Also add a bit on what was praised about the voice actress' performance. The "critical response" section has a list of terms you could use. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 00:25, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Mirabel has also been discussed among therapists". What did they discuss? Krisgabwoosh (talk) 04:16, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Attempted to expand
      • As this is the lead, no citation is needed so long as its referenced in the text itself. With that said, can you tell me where in the text the "unite her family" part appears? The note about awards should also be made into its own sentence, maybe with a mention of who was awarded—actress, animators, etc—without naming the awards themselves. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 00:25, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Development
  • The first sentence sounds wonky and could perhaps be split into two. Maybe start with "During the production of Zootopia (2016) ..." or something to that extend. Miranda's involvement would do well to be made into its own sentence. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 04:16, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • I've tried splitting the sentence, but it just kinda feels off to me... so I kept it whole...
      • That's good enough, though "director" should be plural as there are two of them. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 00:25, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • The comma after "families" in "large extended families" is unnecessary here. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 04:16, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Done
  • Remove the Encanto wikilink from "her family" and add it to the beginning of the sentence where the film is directly named. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 04:16, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Done
  • Per
    MOS:LINK, Colombia probably shouldn't be wikilinked. However, it may be important enought here to warrant an exception. I'll leave that up to your discretion. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 04:16, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply
    ]
    • I don't think MOS:LINK is part of the GA criteria anyways, so I'll leave it as it is
  • It is unclear what "position" means in "the vulnerability of Mirabel's position". Perhaps there is a better word or framing that could be used here. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 04:16, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • The quote by Charise Castro Smith is difficult to understand. I better formatted it for you: Mirabel's position is "complicated and awkward and just utterly human and relatable [in] that [she] feel[s] like ... the unspecial one amongst everyone else who’s special and perfect and has it all figured out." Furthermore, the quote should be cited in the adjacent reference using the "quote" parameter. As citation six is used two other times in the article, it's fine to create a new identical citation that also includes the quote. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 04:16, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Is there a guideline/policy that specifically mentions this? The closest I can find is
      WP:FQ
      ...
      • You're correct, my mistake. I usually work on articles with Spanish sources, meaning that any time a quote is translated to English, the original Spanish quote needs to be placed in the citation. As all quotes here are in English, they don't need to be added to the citation. Castro Smith's quote is still difficult to understand though, and needs to be changed for clarity. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 00:25, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Add "that" after "said" for "said that as a magical realism film". Krisgabwoosh (talk) 04:16, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Done
  • As a Spanish word, "Mira" should be italicized. Also, quick note as a Spanish speaker: "Mirar" means "to look". "Mira" only means "look". This is noted in citation ten. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 04:16, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Done
  • As mentioned with an identical sentence earlier, there should be a comma after "gift" in "searching for a gift". Krisgabwoosh (talk) 04:16, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Done
  • While "her motivation to be noticed" works, I personally found it a bit hard to understand. Perhaps replace "motivation" for "wish" or something to that extend. Also, add "that" to "stated" for "stated that her". Krisgabwoosh (talk) 04:16, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Done
  • Add "of the film" to "one version". Krisgabwoosh (talk) 04:16, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Done
  • Add "the" before "third act" for "start of the third act". Krisgabwoosh (talk) 04:16, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Done
Voice
  • I don't think the fact that Beatriz watched many Disney films as a child is particularly notable; pretty much everyone has. Perhaps remove this and keep the fact that she describes herself as a fan. If you want, you can include her statement that she's a "deeply, deeply invested Disney adult" as that is more notable. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 04:16, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • minus Removed
  • Add "its film" after "setting in Colombia" for "setting its film in Colombia". Krisgabwoosh (talk) 04:16, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • plus Added
  • Add a comma after "Luisa" for "auditioned for Luisa, but". Krisgabwoosh (talk) 04:16, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Done
  • Maybe replace "knew" with "decided"; that's optional. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 04:16, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Done
  • Add a comma after "young" for "sound young, so she". Krisgabwoosh (talk) 04:16, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Done
  • Add that citation seventeen requires a paid subscription using the "url-access level" parameter. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 04:16, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Done
  • Add the quoted material into citation eighteen. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 04:16, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Done
  • Add a comma after "directors" for "the directors, but on some occasions". Krisgabwoosh (talk) 04:16, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Done
  • The final sentence for this section sounds a bit wonky. Perhaps remove "her finding a way to" and replace it with "helping her" for "she credited for helping her to". As mentioned before, long quotes like these should be cited on the corresponding reference. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 04:16, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Done
Design
  • Replace "tourist" with "tour". Krisgabwoosh (talk) 04:16, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Done
  • Maybe split the first sentence or add a better transition. I found that replacing "and later hired her" with "later hiring her" did the trick.
    •  Done
  • A comma after "curly" might be unnecessary. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 04:16, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Not done: According to this (I haven't the foggiest on its reliability), it seems fine as it is
      • I wasn't entirely sure one way or another. A quick check on Grammarly states that either way is fine. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 00:25, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • The first and second sentences both use citation twenty-one. As there are no citations in between, the first one can be removed. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 04:16, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Done
  • The comma after "Zhao" is unnecessary. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 04:16, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Done
  • The semicolon after "Mirabel's hair" is pretty abrupt. Replacing it and "they" with "and" for "and were inspired" flows better. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 04:16, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Done
  • "Casita" is a Spanish word and should be italicized here and in all future appearances. As Casita is the house's name, there may be an exception here. However, if that is the cases, instances where "the Casita" is used should be edited to remove "the". Krisgabwoosh (talk) 04:16, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Done
  • Add a comma after "Casita" for "connects her to the Casita, so her outfit incorporates". 04:16, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
    •  Done
  • "Region" is used twice in a row. This can be fixed by just saying "the Andes" or even "the Colombian Andes". Krisgabwoosh (talk) 04:16, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • The word "normally" is often overused. Perhaps "traditionally" is better suited. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 04:16, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Well, "traditionally" would imply it's tradition, which the source doesn't mention. I've switched to usually as the source uses it.
  • "Alpargatas" is a Spanish word and should be italicized. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 04:16, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Done
  • The word "skirts" is repeated several times in succession. Replacing "traditional Colombian skirts" with "designs" could help alleviate this. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 04:16, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Fixed No reply here but I saw that the issue was addressed. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 00:25, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Add a wiklink for Isabela at first mention of her in the text. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 05:42, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move "according to Screen Rant" to the beginning of the sentence. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 04:16, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Done
  • "And" in "her lack of resentment and envy" is unnecessary here. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 04:16, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • minus Removed
  • "Sown" is incorrect. Use "sewn". Krisgabwoosh (talk) 04:16, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • How did I get there...
  • Replace the semicolon in "according to Bush" with a colon. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 04:16, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Done
  • Add a comma after "journey" for "her journey, and". Krisgabwoosh (talk) 04:16, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Done?
  • Citation thirty-four should include the quote. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 04:16, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • See above
  • The fact about her name meaning "look" is repeated here. Remove if from either this paragraph or the original depending on where you think it fits best, but don't keep both. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 04:16, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Done
Encanto
  • Large parts of this plot summary lack citations. However, I've notice that other good articles—such asSnow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937 film)—also do not include citations for the plot summary. Is there an exception here that I'm not aware of? Krisgabwoosh (talk) 04:16, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Yes:
      MOS:FILMPLOT
      ... and others. The sourcing is only used to cite things that may be considered interpretation
  • Add a comma after "change" for "change, and everyone". Krisgabwoosh (talk) 04:16, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Done
  • "Abuela" is a Spanish word and should be italicized. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 05:42, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Done
  • Add a comma after "everyone" for "warns everyone, but the cracks". Krisgabwoosh (talk) 05:42, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Done
  • Add a comma after "disappear" for "cracks disappear, and". Krisgabwoosh (talk) 05:42, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Done
  • In "no-one", remove the hyphen. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 05:42, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Done
  • Add a comma after "dying" for "miracle is dying, and she". Krisgabwoosh (talk) 05:42, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Done
  • In note B, remove the wikilink to Colombia. Whether or not you decided to keep or remove it earlier, either way it would either be unnecessary or repeated. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 05:42, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Done
  • In note B, add a comma after "miracle" for "By a miracle, the candle". Krisgabwoosh (talk) 05:42, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Done
  • In note B, separate the third sentence into two at the "never go out" point. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 05:42, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Done
  • In note B, add a comma after "burn" for "continues to burn, and". Krisgabwoosh (talk) 05:42, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Done
  • Add "that" after "rumor" for "a rumor that he had a vision". Krisgabwoosh (talk) 05:42, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Done
  • Add "that" after "reveals" for "reveals that she struggles". Krisgabwoosh (talk) 05:42, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Done
  • Remove "that she" before "never" as it is unnecessary. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 05:42, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Done
  • Specify who Mariano is as he hasn't been mentioned before. Keep it short though. Actually, remove mention of it entirely as it's unrelated to Mirabel's arc. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 05:42, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • minus Removed
  • Remove "less perfect" as the phrasing is odd. "Truer to herself" works fine. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 05:42, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • minus Removed
  • Remove the comma after "rest of the family". Krisgabwoosh (talk) 05:42, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Done
  • Remove the comma after "enough for Alma". Krisgabwoosh (talk) 05:42, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Done
  • Add a comma after "candle" for "save the candle, but". Krisgabwoosh (talk) 05:42, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Done
  • Sentences two and three of the final paragraph can be combined. Consider "reconcile and return". Krisgabwoosh (talk) 05:42, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Done
  • The phrasing in "recognizing her family's powers as the miracle instead of their existence" is odd; consider rewriting. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 05:42, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Attempted
  • "Takes" not "take" a group photograph. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 05:42, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • The differences between British and American English really confuse me
Merchandise
  • "In" December rather than "by" December. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 05:42, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • The second mention of "Mirabel Singing Doll" can just be replaced with "doll". Krisgabwoosh (talk) 05:42, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • I did some digging around for the actual products and the Disney doll that sings "The Family Madrigal" and the Jakks Pacific Large Doll are two different products. The cited source's text is a bit unclear as to which product is which, so perhaps a different source could be used. Lzer (talk) 07:48, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      • You can replace "the Mirabel Singing Large Doll, sold by" with "a separate doll sold by". That would suffice I think. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 16:00, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
        •  Done: I couldn't find good enough sources to change the ref, but I also thought on my own to replace the wording. It looks like Pamzeis went ahead and finished this part of the section. Lzer (talk) 12:00, 10 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Which is" can be removed. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 05:42, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Disney parks
Critical response
Impact
Works cited
  • A link to The Art of Encanto would be nice. The one on Google Books would do, though another official source works. Obviously, illegal pirate PDFs shouldn't be added. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 05:42, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • A retrieval date isn't necessary for bibliography, so "Retrieved January 21, 2022" can be removed. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 05:42, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Done Lzer (talk) 10:06, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • This is my first time responding to any kind of nomination/review. I hope that I did things correctly. Lzer (talk) 10:06, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Infobox
  • In the caption, a wikilink to Encanto is unnecessary as it's already linked at the top of the box. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 00:54, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    •  Done Lzer (talk) 12:00, 10 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      • You're almost all set! All that's left is the final unaddressed points here and a few above. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 02:38, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Optionally, you can remove "(2021)" from the caption as it wraps to a second line. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 00:54, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nowhere in the article is Noemi Josefina Flores cited as Mirabel's younger actor. It's worth adding a sentence with a coinciding citation in the "voice" section or at the very least in the infobox.
    •  Done I used an official document from the Oscars. Shiva Baby uses the same source. Lzer (talk) 01:12, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • My understanding is that Félix is Pepa's husband. As such, he would be Mirabel's uncle-in-law, not her uncle. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 06:15, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Per our article on uncles, I believe "in-law" is not necessary. Pamzeis (talk) 12:23, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]


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