Talk:PlayStation Portable/Archive 5

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It's a bit hard to make your website ready for PSP, since many sites claim that PSP is running Netscape Navigator 4.0 or something. A simple appName test for "PSP (Playstation Portable) Internet Browser" works, but then you have to jump hoops. So I'm going out on a line here and asking: Is it notable to note that to make a PSP Enabled website, you have to have your margins lower than 480x272? Because I tried it and I had to shrink down my encompassing DIV by a lot (down to 458) to make it remotely good looking, since the browser cuts off a portion of the right side (Firefox does this too when dealing with percentages) Note also the very small font sizes, these look bigger on the PSP of course. Iyeru42 (talk) 17:56, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

No, we're

not a how-to guide on web design.--221.143.25.19 (talk

) 16:04, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

According to Wikipedia, the only consoles in the generation are PSP and DS. So "remaining the second most successful handheld console of its generation" isn't exactly a good thing, it means that it's also the worst, yet the wording makes out it is a good thing. If, of course, you are including Gizmondo and GP2X etc., could they be listed in the page that lists the handheld consoles of this generation? LuGiADude (talk) 10:35, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, it had read like this for a while: Although the PSP has faced very stiff competition from the Nintendo DS, it has been by far the most successful handheld console not manufactured by Nintendo. However, sometime try and verify that statement... For all practicle purposes, it's totally impossible. So we decided to have it how it is currently. Hope that answers your question. Thingg^⊕⊗ 14:43, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Also, the Gizmondo, etc. are listed in

History of video game consoles (seventh generation). (you have to scroll to the bottom of the page) However, since their sales weren't even close to the PSP/DS, we decided not to put detailed info about them in the article on the video game consoles of the seventh generation. We mention them, but not many details about them. Thingg^⊕⊗

14:48, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

The passage that is currently present "Nevertheless, the console is "the most successful non-Nintendo handheld game system ever sold".[20]" is attributed to an opinion article that provides no more detail than the directly quoted passage and doesn't show any actual numbers to back that up. Just clicking on the link at the bottom of the PSP article, wiki includes the Tamagotchi which in the article claims sales of over 70 million as of 2008 as opposed to the PSP's 55 million as of August 2009. And that was the only handheld game console I looked at, there very well could be others that sold more. The passage as it is written certainly seems false and does not add any real value to the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.207.242.4 (talk) 23:05, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Do you think a page should be made overviewing the PSP acessory/software range? (GO!Cam; GO!Messenge; GO!Explore; GO!View) Eladkse61 81.105.67.25 (talk) 13:14, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Looks like a new PSP model is headed this way: [1]

Should it be added in? 68.100.2.30 (talk) 17:57, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Shouldn't the PSP 3000 section be in the slim and lite article? Tut74749 (talk) 19:46, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

No, as the PSP-3000 is a seperate series from the Slim and Lite, which is part of the PSP-2000 series. It is essentially the successor to the slim and lite. KhalfaniKhaldun 19:58, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

The difference is not that great. There wouldn't be much to cover in a separate article, and it would likely be a permanent stub. The SCPH-90000 series is technically separate from the SCPH-70000 series as well, but was not broken off from coverage of the slimline PS2.

Dancter (talk

) 20:30, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

::We should add a section on this article or the slim and lite article about it. Once enough information is available we can create its own article. In my opinion anyway. LethalReflex 01:55, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Someone suggested that the PSP-3000 article be merged into this one. They didn't start a discussion article stating their reasoning, though, so I'm going to go ahead and start it and state that I am against the proposed merger. As the Slim and Lite (2000) series has its own article, the 3000 series will be sufficient enough to be its own article as well. It was just officially announced this week, and is set for a European release in mid-October, so we can definitely expect to see more details available to fill that article being released soon enough, and as such merging into this one and then turning around and recreating the 3000-series article would be a waste of time. KhalfaniKhaldun 20:22, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Khalfani, I am against the proposed merger. Also, thanks for noticing the broken link in the "PSP-3000 series" article, Khalfani. Yooo67 (talk) 16:31, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

I dont have Wifi and I need to know if the PSP needs WiFi to use the browser. Lord of Ra (talk) 05:51, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Answer: Yes you need Wifi, the PSP connects fine to any WLan, but I don't know of any other way to connect. Afaik there is no PSP Lan cable. The software also only offers connections to WLans so it is unlikely. Maybe in some very unique setup by an enthusiastic modder with loads of knowledge but it is not realistic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.189.251.94 (talk) 19:47, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Well in the webbrowser section you get the impression the PSP webbrowser would work with older Flash version 6 files, but due to the vbery limited memory you cant view like 80% of the content. Downloading even large files to a memory stick works very well, but watching flash video never nworked, i tried so many websites without success. Also simple flash games or animations didnt load most of the time or it was just impossible to navigate these. The webbrowser is really nice and fun to use, but forget anything with flash. Some simple navigations and advertising banners work fine, but thats about it. Don't make people expect too much of this flash implementation, it totally lacks the ram. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.189.251.94 (talk) 19:53, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

The article claims that the MIPS R4000 is a 32-bit microprocessor. I find that to be a bit suspect as the fact that the R4000 is a 64-bit microprocessor is well established, since the early 1990s.

Consider the "The Mips R4000 processor", which appeared in the IEEE Micro, April 1992. The abstract states: "The R4000, a highly integrated, 64-b RISC microprocessor...". Also consider the "MIPS R4000 Microprocessor User's Manual", which has plenty to say about the 64-bit-ness of the R4000. The R4000 product overview (there should be copy somewhere, maybe at SGI) also supports this.

I cannot recall any authorative source claiming the R4000 to be 32-bit. The infobox in the article claims that the microprocessor is "R4000-based, but the text does not.

Is there a possibility that the R4000 (which implements MIPS III, a 64-bit instruction set architecture) is being confused with the MIPS32 4K Family (which implements MIPS32, as the name suggests, a 32-bit instruction set architecture)? A quick Google search has some results supporting the MIPS32 4K instead of the R4000. Rilak (talk) 08:03, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm...I'm unfamiliar with the CPU but this article from CNET [2] states "In the PSP, the core microprocessor unit--which essentially runs the handheld and manages the integrated chip cores--is based on the MIPS R4000 chip design, Okabe said. Both the PlayStation 2 and Sony's Qiro robot are based around MIPS processors, which are derived from chip designs created originally for Silicon Graphics Inc. servers." These articles [3] and [4] both say 32-bit. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 23:33, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

So which is it? It can't be R4000 and 32-bit, as R4000 is a 64-bit ISA. Maybe the R4000 statement was a typo and they really meant R3000? Or maybe the chip uses the same layout and design as the R4000 but with a different 32-bit ISA. KhalfaniKhaldun 07:12, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

I am certain that "R4000" in this context is a corruption of "R4K", since it is easy to confuse R4K with R4000. But this is original research, which is not permitted. The question is, What do we do about it? Wikipedia's policy is to demand verifiability, not the truth. Rilak (talk) 11:42, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

I did some more research and found an IGN article "The Evolution Of The PSP" dated 29 August 2008 that states, "The PSP's primary media processing block comes from a dedicated 32-bit MIPS32 R4k-based CPU, similar to that which powers the primary operating system." (Emphasis mine). Does this statement imply that the CPU is based on the MIPS32 4K? I am not sure what IGN is referring to here. Rilak (talk) 07:30, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

I think the confusion arises because there's a degree of slackness regarding what "R4000" really means. Super-strictly R4000 was a specific microprocessor made by MIPS, and sold for the workstation and server market. Plainly PSP doesn't have one of those (they weren't made that much, and haven't been at all for years). Rather it's a roughly R4000 IP block, but that doesn't mean it's a functional clone of the R4000 microprocessor you'd find in and old SGI workstation. I've (regrettably too much) experience of development for a number of MIPS licenced products (most notably the R3000-based Philips "Dino" microprocessor. When they licence the microarchitecture block they're quite liberal about what you can and can't include, and a lot of embedded MIPS blocks emit or simplify things that don't make sense in the embedded space. Dino, for example, had a radically simplified TLB and emitted CP1 (the floating-point coprocessor) altogether (together with doing vexing things with the cache architecture and fixating the kernel space chip-select mapping). So don't be confused when something that claims to be "R4000 based" doesn't do all the things a "real" R4000 does. Now it's really a great oversimplification to say "R4000 is a 64 bit architecture" - as MIPS R4000 Microprocessor User’s Manual (2nd ed) by Joe Heinrich (of MIPS) notes, R4000 can operate (in supervisor mode) in either 32 or 64 bit mode; depending on a bit you set (I think in CP0). What they've done is make a 32-bit only version of the R4000 architecture (again with other stuff stripped and simplified) - MIPS themselves describe the block thus: "The MIPS32 architecture is a superset of the previous MIPS I™ and MIPS II™ Instruction Set Architectures (ISA) and incorporates powerful new instructions, specifically for embedded applications, as well as proven memory management and privileged mode control mechanisms previously found only in 64-bit R4000™ and R5000® MIPS® processors. By incorporating powerful new features, standardizing privileged mode instructions, and supporting past ISAs, the MIPS32 architecture provides a solid high-performance foundation for all future 32-bit MIPS-Based development." (ref). In fact, it seems the CPU (which Sony call "Allegrex") has some media-smart stuff added as well. Incidentally the PSPdev folks (the PSP homebrew community) confirm it's in 32-bit here. So really an accurate description would be "Allegrex, a Sony custom design based on a LSI Logic's R4010 32-bit MIPS-32 microprocessor". 87.112.81.29 (talk) 18:02, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarifications. I agree that the description should be revised. Also, I am interested to where you got the information for this, "Allegrex, a Sony custom design based on a LSI Logic's R4010 32-bit MIPS-32 microprocessor." (Because if it is going to be used, it needs a citation.)

Just to reiterate, I initiated this discussion because the article text (not infobox) claims that the MIPS R4000 is a 32-bit MPU - "...MIPS R4000 (32-bit) CPU...". There was no mention (in the article text) of it being a derivative or similar, so the article was stating that the R4000 is a 32-bit MPU, which, for reasons previously stated, is wrong. I am aware that the R4000 is capable of operating in 32-bit mode, and if I understand correctly, it can also execute 32-bit code in 64-bit mode, but for convenience, it is not described as such per general usage. Rilak (talk) 13:33, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

In season one of AH! My Goddess episode number #25 , Urd plays a game console called POP that bears an almost identical appearance to the PSP, the game console belonged to a kid named Shohei Yoshida in that episode of the Anime.

The PSP was most likely renamed to avoid law suits, this is often done in manga and anime with items such as tv brands, soft drinks, battries etc. The name is most often an offshoot or corruption of the true or orginal name/brand/model/company etc. ~ Awar (talk) 13:07, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

There really is a game console called the POPstation. It is a poor copy of the PSP that's produced in China. - Wysprgr2005 (talk) 18:12, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Is this just speculation, or is it notable?[5] Shaq4evr (talk) 01:46, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Leaked info out today makes this look ever more likely [6]. 16GB of onboard flash and bluetooth support added and a new slide out control panel is noted in the video on the page (see previous link). Official confirmation expected at forthcoming E3 event. --86.145.22.130 (talk) 17:06, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

I read over at Engadget the Go has Fw 5.70 but how when right now their on 6.00

Because Sony made the PSP Go before the firmware was released. They cant waste money on updating every single console before shipping. ★Ffgamera★ -

Talk to me!· Contribs

08:14, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Model numbers are listed here as 1000, 2000 and 3000 whereas http://www.us.playstation.com/Support/Manuals/PSP cites 1001, 2001, 3001. Model numbers should be consistent with Sony documentation. Regards, PeterEasthope (talk) 04:47, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

I have noticed, in the history, that there has been much vandalism coming from IP addresses lately, and lots of it, coming from several different ones too. I would like to request a temporary/permanent block on IP addresses for the page. Thank you. ★Ffgamera★ -

Could a knowledgeable editor add a mention of the maximum size of a Memory Stick Duo that can be used on the PSP? Comet Tuttle (talk) 05:01, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Technically this could be a NOTAFORUM question but its worthwhile mentioning, it may be on the mem article - the MSPD format has a predefined max size of 32GB for any MSPD supporting device, I think like with SDXC any higher will be a new name

chocobogamer mine

20:44, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure what Q1 is but does anyone know a near exact date? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.238.116.225 (talk) 17:57, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

As stated in the article, It was said that PSP slim runs on 5v DC 1200mAh, Upgradeable to 2200mAh, but if we were to open the back of our PSP and have a look at our battery, it said 3.6V 1200 mAh for me. is this a typo? I dont get it, when it said 5v, means 5v is the max, and another voltage lower than 5v is fine? Or was it a typo of 5W with 1.3889A. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dsdsasds (talk • contribs) 18:29, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

The 5v is the voltage from the AC adaptor if you turn on older PSPs without the battery but in actual fact the old PSP designs can use both the battery pack's 3.6v and the AC adaptor's 5v if you damage its battery or charging a emptied battery. Kyrios320 (talk) 03:39, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Is Daxter's 2 million really the highest selling game? According to VGChartz (I know I have sinned on innacuracy but when it comes to large numbers especially 2 times the amount of Daxter) http://vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=5165 Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories is the highest selling game @ 4.68 million. Are there just not enough sources to show this?--WhereAmI (talk) 05:45, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

God of War: Chains of Olympus and Final Fantasy 7: Crisis Core are likely to be the next two best selling games, especially with the Kratos PSP coming out in June. God of War: COO is already the highest rated overall PSP game on Metacritic (Score:92) —Preceding unsigned comment added by DevonTheDude (talk • contribs) 03:40, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Talk pages are to be about the article, not what the article is about. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mematman15 (talk • contribs) 15:00, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

How can it have shipped 31 million and sold 34 million? That makes no sense! We've got to either choose one source or the other, it looks ridicolous as it is Knowitall (talk) 20:35, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps someone interchanged them. Farslayer (talk) 07:16, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

well the units sold is how many over the counter;but the shipped units is how many have been taken to a different country hope this helps. user:SaiyanEmperor2008 19:58 , 26 november 2008 (GMT)

I did some quick searching and right now it will be difficult to correct the sales data. Part of the problem is that Sony changed their reporting on this from unit shipments to units sold. Here's what I could confirm:

as of 3/31/2007 Sony shipped 25M units
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/ar/2007/qfhh7c00000d7pmp-att/SonyAR07-E.pdf

For the Year ending 3/31/2008 there were 13.89 M units sold
For the year ending 3/31/2007 there 9.53M units sold http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/07q4_sony.pdf

The had the following Unit shipments: FY07 8.36 M FY06 14.06 FY05 2.97M http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/qfhh7c000000kjva-att/03q4_sony.pdf http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/04q4_sony.pdf http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/05q4_sony.pdf http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/06q4_sony.pdf So until Sony or some third party source publishes some better numbers I'm going to leave the article as-is for now since those number at least both have sources referenced, even if they are a little out of sync. Ericnoel (talk) 17:57, 24 June 2008 (UTC) I have a problem with it saying it sold 12 million units in europe yet it also includes UK & if it is talking about the eu then it should be clearified ChesterTheWorm (talk) 12:13, 23 December 2008 (UTC) ChesterTheWorm

Sales Information Synchronization Issue

The sales numbers given in the article's infobox don't match up with what's available in the Sales section of the article. (Psychoneko (talk) 10:29, 14 March 2009 (UTC))

Someone synchronized the two sales numbers, but the citation for the PSP sales clearly does not match the article. The cited article's title says something about the PSP hitting 50 million sales, but the article says 77 million. What's going on? 75.61.141.116 (talk) 06:39, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Sony has sales totals, but you have to do the math. It's up to 70 million roughly- a failure, right? It's all I hear, the PSP failed, yet its sales are roughly the same as the Wii, meaning the Wii is a failure, then the XBox 360 and PS3 are horrible failures, and the industry must be dead!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.206.21.58 (talk) 20:25, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

According to this article the original PSP 1000 and the 2000 both have a depth of 23mm, that can't be right. Lm2f (talk) 08:00, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

With the new playstation 3 update users are now able to download televison episodes,movies and anything that is avalible to play on the playstation 3 and convert them to mp4. The process usually takes around 15 to 20 minutes (depending on how large the MB is). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Psn9000 (talk • contribs) 21:13, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

If not, would someone knowledgeable merge them and delete the redundant one ? Thanks !

--195.137.93.171 (talk) 21:30, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

"PSP2" redirects to PlayStation Portable, but within the article, there is no reference to what PSP2 stand for (alternately, no reference as to which PlayStation Portable is known as PSP2). Thus despite trying to look up information on PSP2 here, I cannot tell if it refers to PSP-2000, PSP-GO, or something else entirely. -98.234.223.235 (talk) 07:10, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Generally, it is the name given to the supposed successor to the PSP, so a new hardware and software platform. Compare it to the PlayStation and its successor the PlayStation 2. As yet, there is no PSP2, so I guess somebody just set up a redirect here. Alphathon™ (talk) 08:38, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

The original anon here. I finally figured out that my friends were talking about Phantasy Star Portable 2 when they say "PSP2"... Would it make sense to make PSP2 a disambig instead of a redirect? -61.231.8.57 (talk) 16:08, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, probably… at least until the PSP2 is properly announced (there is a little leaked info about it and it's pretty much inevitable). Once it is announced I would think it will become a page on it's own fairly quickly anyway, at which point we would add a "this page is about the Sony handheld console. For other uses see PSP2 (disambiguation)" template to it. I'll probably do it tomorrow. Alphathon™ (talk) 16:22, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

They now stand at 64 million, rather than 62, as of the Jan 27th PlayStation Meeting http://playstationlifestyle.net/2011/01/27/over-64-million-psps-sold-since-launch/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.163.95.114 (talk) 03:45, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

This article needs to check it's sources when it comes to the memory sticks, memory size, I was checking the internet and I couldn't find a memory card with memory higher than 8 gigabytes for the PSP. Please fix this problem. Thank you. Tj1224 (talk) 20:43, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

What do you mean "a memory card… for the PSP"? A memory stick is a memory stick - there is no PSP specific format. Of course that doesn't stop people for advertising them as "for PSP" or whatever, just like they advertise HDMI cables as "for PS3", but they are not a specific PSP format. I don't know if there's a hard or soft limit on the storage space accepted by the PSP (although I think the PSP Go has a limit of 16 GB for its memory sticks). Alphathon /'æl.f'æ.ðɒn/ ^(talk) 20:56, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

For the psp you have to buy a memory card to save game data, to have music, to have photos, to put movies etc. So when I was reading this article I saw the sizes of the memory cards for the memory cards I saw that the highest size of the memory cards was 120 gigabytes. So I did a little "research" I couldn't find a memory card for the PSP above 8 gigabytes. That's what I mean't. Tj1224 (talk) 00:29, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

"couldn't find a memory card for the PSP above 8 gigabytes". As I said, there's no such thing. There isn't a specific format for the PSP - any Memory Stick Pro Duo (1000-3000 models) or Memory Stick Micro (Go model) should do. Some may be marketed as "Memory Stick Pro Duo for PSP" or whatever, but that doesn't mean that those that aren't labelled as such won't work. There are certainly cards available above 8 GB such as this 32 GB one. Alphathon /'æl.f'æ.ðɒn/ ^(talk) 00:53, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Okay, so I think I get what you mean. So what you are saying is that I the memory card isn't "specially" made for the psp. It has other uses? Like you can use it for the PS3? Tj1224 (talk) 01:21, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Mostly Sony-made digital cameras etc - read

this is not a forum. Alphathon /'æl.f'æ.ðɒn/ ^(talk

) 01:30, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

I know this isn't a forum. If read the first disscussion post I made. I thought the research for this article was somewhat wrong. Thank you. Tj1224 (talk) 15:10, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

I know, the discussion just seemed to be drifting off-topic. Alphathon /'æl.f'æ.ðɒn/ ^(talk) 15:15, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Okay thank you for your time. Tj1224 (talk) 15:32, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

How come the PSP-3000 has a Microphone? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.10.125.238 (talk) 14:16, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Presumably for Skype (I'm sure it has other uses too). Alphathon /'æl.f'æ.θɒn/ ^(talk) 15:17, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

The Region Code section mentions this game as being the only region locked game on PSP. There's no reference attached to this, and I can't find any sources for this information. From what I can tell it came here from the Regional Lockout article, or vice versa, and the only mentions outside Wikipedia seem to be rumors, or people quoting Wikipedia. In short Battlezone may need to be removed from the article. I'll put a cn on it for now. Evil oatmeal (talk) 00:19, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Removing the mention of Battlezone and region-locked games. Leaving in the part about region-locked films with its cn tag. Evil oatmeal (talk) 18:42, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

I don't think that's correct. I think it only has one. 217.39.35.230 (talk) 21:34, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

You're right. The source for that line doesn't even go anywhere useful. Evil oatmeal (talk) 13:13, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

You're incorrect, it has 2. PSP CPU Chip:

• Sony CXD2962GG CPU
• Based on MIPS R4000 32-bit Core
• 90 nm Semiconductor CMOS Process
• 1-333 MHz (set at 222 MHz by default) @ 1.2

Media Engine Chip:

• Sony CXD1876 CPU
• Based on MIPS R4000 32-bit Core
• 90 nm Semiconductor CMOS Process
• 1-333 MHz (set at 222 MHz by default) @ 1.2 V — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.88.23.42 (talk) 04:02, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Do you have a source for this? The whole point of the discussion is that they were looking for proof... Sergecross73 msg me 18:22, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

1-333 MHz? That doesn't make sense. The PSP's CPU can't run at 1 MHz. I ran mine at 20 MHz out of curiosity just on the XMB and it was lagging so much it basically froze, of course! --86.157.85.48 (talk) 01:45, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

The fact that it is impractical doesn't mean that it is impossible.

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