Talk:Radio Songs (chart)

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The result of the move request was: Not moved.

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.

• Oppose as ambiguous term in need of a disambiguator. Simply relying on capital letters and plural is hardly sufficient, and is unhelpful to readers looking for, for example, the song namesake. -- Ohc ^¡digame!_{¿que pasa?} 23:46, 20 May 2013 (UTC).[reply]
• Comment should really support this I suppose as per the Red meat Red Meat guideline (wherever that is), but little voice says current title or Radio Songs (Billboard) or Radio Songs (chart) would be more helpful. Especially in an area where overcapitalization is endemic. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:58, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose. Hot 100 Airplay is used in both the print edition and online at BillboardBiz to this day (as seen here in this week's current tally). If the name had been replaced or changed, I might agree, but both still apply and are equally valid. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 00:38, 22 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

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The result of the proposal was no consensus. No prejudice against a future request, especially if further sources after the name change can illuminate the issue. --BDD (talk) 20:25, 14 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose if this needs renaming it should be Radio Songs (Billboard Hot 100) or Radio Songs (Billboard) -- 70.50.148.122 (talk) 05:57, 9 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
• Support move to Radio Songs. Unreal7 (talk) 23:02, 14 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why? Andrewa (talk) 16:49, 17 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • More notable than the album. Unreal7 (talk) 22:30, 20 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
      • Agree with that... so if we're to move it at all, we should also ask whether this is the
        primary meaning of Radio Songs... But that was already rejected above. And it's also possible that this is a case for a two-way DAB page; There are English Wikipedia articles on two other Robin and Linda Williams albums, so they're a significant act. More discussion below. Andrewa (talk) 05:06, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply
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• Oppose. The change to the
  Wikipedia policy on article titles. This instruction is prominently displayed in several places, including the move template above, please don't ignore it! Andrewa (talk) 16:51, 17 January 2014 (UTC)[reply
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  • Per
    WP:RM, "the choice of article titles should put the interests of readers before those of editors, and those of a general audience before those of specialists" (i.e., the general audience most likely gets their info from Billboard.com and know the name as Radio Songs; industry specialists (studio executives, producers, program directors, etc.) and subscribers may prefer to go to the Biz portion of the site). --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 19:42, 17 January 2014 (UTC)[reply
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    • Whew. But that is a better argument. Unsure as to why you quote the guidelines, they are not in question, but there seems to be valid evidence mixed in there too. Care to sort it out for me? It seems a bit both ways. Andrewa (talk) 16:23, 20 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
      • OK, since you declined to sort that mess out, I'll just point out a few of its problems. When the official name change took place is irrelevant. The question is, is the new name currently in widespread use? And we have no real attempt to answer this above, only guesswork. You quote the guideline as saying it is reasonable to consider the usage since the change... well, yes. And this hasn't happened. No change of vote. Andrewa (talk) 01:49, 7 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
• Relisting comment I note that Unreal7's move of Radio Songs to Radio Songs (album) has proven uncontroversial. The former now redirects here, making it a stronger candidate for contention. Would the nominator prefer a dab at the base title or to move this article there? Having Radio Songs redirect to Radio Songs (chart), or another disambiguated title, won't do. --BDD (talk) 22:03, 30 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would never suggest having Radio Songs redirect to a disambiguated title. At the time of the nomination, Radio Songs was an album article and I noted the possibility of moving this article to the base title or creating a disambiguation page. I'm fine with either. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 18:18, 31 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
• Has the name change caught on? How do external sources refer to the chart? --BDD (talk) 23:55, 7 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Although I oppose this move as proposed, I don't think the current title Hot 100 Airplay (Radio Songs) is a good one either. It looks like a Wikipedia disambiguation, but it's not really, instead it's two possible titles rolled into one.

Radio Songs (undisambiguated) was rejected above, just a few months ago, and there's no evidence of change since then. Radio Songs (chart) doesn't have a lot of support either. What about disambiguating Hot 100 Airplay in some standard way instead?

Or just dropping the disambiguator to

So it's already been a long saga, with little discussion and no obvious reference to the article name policy. At least we are now correcting those two problems! Andrewa (talk) 05:05, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Many song article source Billboard to discuss the song's chart performance in the United States. If Billboard is used as the source regarding songs that reach this chart from this point going forward, the only thing it can be referred to as is Radio Songs because that what the source will say (whether someone looks it up online or in an archived print edition). I've found a couple of non-Billboard sources that refer to the chart as "Radio Songs" prior to the uniform change across all Billboard platforms, one from NPR, one at Pitchfork, another at Audio Ink Radio, as well as a couple of books [1][2]. But I do find sources which refer to the chart as Hot 100 Airplay in this timeframe, such as this one from VOAnews.com. It seems a bit early to find sources that might still refer to it as Hot 100 Airplay since Billboard's across-the-board name change. Sorry if this doesn't help matters any. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 09:09, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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It was proposed in this section that Hot 100 Airplay (Radio Songs) be renamed and moved to Billboard Radio Songs . result: ed. put'r there 18:05, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply ] Links: current log • target log This is template {{subst:Requested move/end}}

WP:COMMONNAME takes into account what other sources call it, not what Billboard calls it. Both names were used for a number of years simultaneously, as many of the chart names were changed only for the public while industry continued to use the more traditional names. That's been pretty much consolidated though, and I agree the title of the article should be changed but to Radio Songs (chart) (there's an album with the title, so disambiguation may be necessary) or just simply Radio Songs as primary topic. "Billboard" is not part of the name of the chart. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 23:38, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply

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I think Radio Songs can reasonably qualify as primary topic. Rename to Radio Songs (chart) is also a good alternative. HĐ (talk) 03:22, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]